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Ah yes but the CEMIC knows that it cannot hasten to it's logical conclusion because similar to a virus it knows destruction of it's host will result in destruction of itself, perhaps once off-world existance becomes a plausible option the CEMIC virus will reach it's conclusion. Off world habitation ...

I just had a debate with a Geologist from SKS on Tamino's, apparently the longest ever, where he could not discount the proposal it is Clathrates disociating causing the geysers, in fact he strengthened the proposal by saying that Clathrates disociate when de-pressurised and seeing as the permafrost...

So I'm guessing that the Scientists observing the kilometer in diameter geysers of Methane Clathrates dissasociating from beneath the ESS are in on the Conspiracy as well? maybe you should email them and ask about those faked Moon landings.

You are still twisting words bro. The data from two different sources agrees for the last 30 years, therefore the prior 70 years of data from only one source is thereby defined as accurate? You might want to think that one thru a little bit more. If a system is verified accurate for a reasonable ti...

Simple Minded wrote:
Carbi,

Would pictures of the unicorn tracks in my tulip garden give you pause....

Sure, send me photos and a stool sample and I'm down.

Typhoon wrote: Again, where are the error bars? What are the uncertainties?

I think you've found the key to eternal life, just refuse to accept death as it has no error bars.

You still keep avoiding the accuracy of hard numbers in measuring temperature issue. If the accuracy of measurements is questionable, so are all the good/bad projections. Temperature of the Earth +/- 1/2 of 1% over centuries? Really? Distance to the sun, +/- 1/2 of 1%? Circumference of the Earth +....

Seeing is believing. ;) If it works for you, it works for me. :) We keep coming back to a question you refuse to answer, how accurately can the Earths temperature be measured? When? +/-.01C from 2000-2010? +/- .1C from 1980-2000? +/- 1C from 1950 -1980? +/- 2C from 1900 - 1950? Any professed change...

The uncertainty in the global temperture is probably more than +/- 3C making the purported rise well within 1 sigma, ie., noise That would make sense if it wasn't bollocks. http://s17.postimage.org/xuc23v4dr/giss_had_uah_rss_global_anomaly_1979_2008.png GISS is well within 3C of UAH and the proposa...

You guys seem to be missing the significance of what is occuring under the East Siberian Sea right now, Methane Clathrates have started disassociating on a large scale, this is one of the predicted worse case scenarios, if not the worst becoming real so there is no argument as to the validity of AG...

Well of course people don't want to know if there is nothing they can do about it. Kinda like like finding a broken condom on the floor the morning after..... too late.... what I want to know is how many of the scientists you are talking to are extremely confident, you know like buying Ferraris on ...

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite It seems that proponents of MMGW are, wel.., humm... err..... maybe wrong in their forecasts. interesthing parts: " The problem is that we don´t know what the climate...

Sooner or later, those who predict the end of the world will be right. Either way it has been fun discussing and messing with you. Is'nt interesting... that so many people who won't buy insurance, or take care of themselves in terms of health, or save for retirement, demand that the experts save th...

You guys seem to be missing the significance of what is occuring under the East Siberian Sea right now, Methane Clathrates have started disassociating on a large scale, this is one of the predicted worse case scenarios, if not the worst becoming real so there is no argument as to the validity of AGW...

If Religion had evidence such as Kilometer in diameter plumes of Methane from disassosciating Clathrates I wouldn't leave it's place of worship.

Well one would think so but a significant prediction has just come true and here we are.

The event is not just a secondary prediction resultant of many people working on a topic but the central one to major fuckedupness.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2010_%28Fig.A%29.gif Claiming to know what the global temperature was in 1880 to +/- 0.1C is not just buzzer worthy, but gong worthy. Ah..the good ol' 'this line of debate ain't going to well so I'll bait and switch'...

Nature [2009] | Methane burp - clathrate gun hypothesis disproved Todd Sowers, a palaeoceanographer at Pennsylvania State University in Philadelphia, measured hydrogen isotopes of atmospheric methane from three distinct warming episodes, 38,000, 14,500 and 11,500 years ago. The article I quote is a...

Typhoon wrote:
The body of the article is consistent with the heading.

*buzzer sound*

Nature [2009] | Methane burp - clathrate gun hypothesis disproved Oops.... None of this means that marine methane hydrates don't occasionally erupt, however. Hinrichs has used fossil remnants of bacteria that flourish only under high methane concentrations to show that large quantities of the gas m...

Perhaps before you start throwing around the accusation of laziness you should actually open your eyes, the article I link to is from 2000, 6 years before the study you link to, hilarious. It is also hilarious that you link to Nature, a journal that on many times you have claimed incompetent, hypocr...

Simply showing the CH4 and CO2 molecule diagrams and noting the vibrational energy of the carbon bonds is the gnome underpants theory of global warming: 1/ Images of carbon bonds 2/ ? 3/ Man made global warming The point of the diagrams is to simply exhibit how CH4 is a more powerful Greenhouse gas...

;) Since politicians are the ulitmate herd animals/celebrity wanna bes/parade chasers, whenever they reach consensus and fully invest in an idea/outcome, it is almost always very near the end of the trend they advocate, and the reversal catches the herd (and their "leaders" ;) ) by surpri...

Methane: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Methane-2D-dimensions.svg/800px-Methane-2D-dimensions.svg.png Carbon Dioxide: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Carbon-dioxide-2D-dimensions.svg/740px-Carbon-dioxide-2D-dimensions.svg.png As the bonds between C ...

I thought there might be something to it at first, but as more and more politicians bought into it, and the herd got bigger and bigger, my skepticism increased. When McCain bought in, my confidence level that the herd was wrong went from 90% to 110% +/-.005%. So I'm guessing by this logic Kennedy's...