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How pragmatic.. :cry:
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Parodite wrote:How pragmatic.. :cry:
That's not it. Israel wants to retain its status as the only victim of genocide, as it gives it more power to pressure other countries...
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From Uri Avneri's article about the Paris march.
[...]Much easier for politicians to march in the street in front of the cameras.

And who marched in the first row, beaming like a victor?

Our own and only Bibi.

How did he get there? The facts came out within record time. Seems he was not invited at all. On the contrary, President Francois Hollande sent explicit messages: please, please don’t come. It would turn the demo into a show of solidarity with the Jews, instead of a public outcry for the freedom of the press and other “republican values”. Netanyahu came nevertheless, with two extreme rightist ministers in tow.

Placed in the second row, he did what Israelis do: he shoved aside a black African president in front of him and placed himself in the front row.

Once there, he began waving to the people on the balconies along the way. He was beaming, like a Roman general in his triumphal parade. One can only guess the feelings of Hollande and the other heads of state – who tried to look appropriately solemn and mournful – at this display of Chutzpah.

Netanyahu went to Paris as part of his election campaign. As a veteran campaigner, he knew that three days in Paris, visiting synagogues and making proud Jewish speeches, were worth more than three weeks at home, slinging mud.

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Also:
All the four “French” Jews killed in the attack had North African names and were buried in Israel.

Not without trouble. The Israeli government put great pressure on the four families to bury their sons here. They wanted to bury them in France, near their homes. After a lot of haggling about the price of the graves, the families finally agreed.
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Endovelico wrote:
Parodite wrote:How pragmatic.. :cry:
That's not it. Israel wants to retain its status as the only victim of genocide, as it gives it more power to pressure other countries...
Nah. Just a cynical dorkish Netanyahu gvt trying to please another cynical dorkish Erdogan gvt hoping it will calm the anit-Israel spirit inTurkey down.
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FBI report, revealing that almost two-thirds of religion-based crimes in 2012 were committed against Jews

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“When the human rights of Jews are repressed, the rights of other religious and ethnic groups are often not far behind,”

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A seemingly unexpected speaker at the meeting was Saudi Arabia’s Ambassador Abdallah Moualimi, who represented the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He stressed that Islamic countries denounce all actions that lead “to hatred, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia.”

Moualimi also stated that anti-Semitic crimes and Islamaphobia have many similarities in their essence. “We have witnessed with growing concern the increase in hate crimes around the world, and we are very concerned because some arbitrarily reject their responsibilities in this regard. Anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia and all crimes that are based on religious hate are inextricably linked, they’re inseparable.”

He pointed to a close connection between “the increase in hate crimes, extremism, and violence and anti-Semitism” and Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory, political crises, economic recession and policies that benefit only the powerful players. Moualimi concluded that a dialogue would be the most effective step to resolving these issues.

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True, Anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia same mindset, Western decease .. as "PASTA" correctly used to say in ATOL fora, comes with the mother's milk :lol:

All these conferences just to fool Joe


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Levy, meanwhile, asked the attending UN members for new ways to argue against anti-Semites, including those who call Israel an “illegitimate state” and deny the Holocaust: “It is up to you, who are the faces of the world, to be the architects of a house in which the mother of all hates would see its place reduced … May you in a year's time, and in years after that and every other year, reconvene to observe that the mobilization of today was not in vain.”

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:lol: :lol:


Bulldozing indigini homes calling them terrorist, bringing Latvian and Estonian and Ukrainian and Khazari converts to occupy indigini homes (probably the original Jews) and anybody protesting stamped as
anti-semite 4sure no service to Jewish cause as you no dealing with fools


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Seems, India voted 1947 against creation of Israel, and recognized Israel as late as 1992


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more bile ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 088647.cms
NEW DELHI: India and Israel will resume negotiations for a free trade agreement (FTA) next week, government sources confirmed, in another indication of deepening ties between the two countries since the Narendra Modi-led NDA government came to power.

A delegation of Israel's economy ministry led by its director-general Amit Lang will visit India starting February 9 to resume talks for FTA which the two countries are seeking to provide fresh momentum to their economic cooperation. The FTA has remained elusive despite over four years of negotiations.

The need for FTA was one of the main issues discussed between Modi and his counterpart Benjamin Natanyahu when they met on the side lines of UNGA in New York in September last year.

While annual trade with Israel peaked at $5.1 billion in 2011, it tapered to $4.39 billion two years later because of global recession. India and Israel are both confident though that their annual trade volume will double once the FTA is signed.
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@ highest level ever recorded

. . recorded 1,168 incidents against Britain’s Jewish population in 2014, more than double that of the previous year

That makes more than 3 incidents a day

How many anti Jewish incidents in Iran last 50 years ? ?

ZERO .. NONE :D


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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A senior Israeli official suggested on Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had been misled into thinking an invitation to address the U.S. Congress on Iran next month was fully supported by the Democrats.

Netanyahu was invited by the Republican speaker of the house, John Boehner, to address Congress on March 3, an invitation Boehner originally described as bipartisan.

The move angered the White House, which is upset about the event coming two weeks before Israeli elections and that Netanyahu, who has a testy relationship with Democratic President Barack Obama, is expected to be critical of U.S. policy on Iran.

"It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one sided move and not a move by both sides," Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi told 102 FM Tel Aviv Radio on Friday.
Seriously? :lol:
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Obama administration is offering Iran technical concessions on its nuclear infrastructure
in exchange for
Iran's use of its leverage to tamper regional turmoil


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. . core motivations driving Western diplomats in the talks :

The realignment of Tehran towards cooperation with Washington elsewhere in the region, from Syria and Iraq to Yemen and Lebanon.

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:lol:


gettin there, gettin there


Grand Bargain, here we come :D


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YMix wrote:
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A senior Israeli official suggested on Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had been misled into thinking an invitation to address the U.S. Congress on Iran next month was fully supported by the Democrats.

Netanyahu was invited by the Republican speaker of the house, John Boehner, to address Congress on March 3, an invitation Boehner originally described as bipartisan.

The move angered the White House, which is upset about the event coming two weeks before Israeli elections and that Netanyahu, who has a testy relationship with Democratic President Barack Obama, is expected to be critical of U.S. policy on Iran.

"It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one sided move and not a move by both sides," Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi told 102 FM Tel Aviv Radio on Friday.
Seriously? :lol:
Yeah. They could have found out otherwise with one phone call.

They must really think we're stupid.
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Azrael wrote:.

They must really think we're stupid.

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Mosche thinkin "GOY" stupid .. and .. so far .. he might have a valid case :lol:


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Hamas declares opening of Gaza seaport

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Hamas has long fought for the completion of the port, and the issue was included in cease-fire negotiations during the Gaza war in July and August 2014. The movement engaged in tough talks with Israel, under Egyptian auspices, to obtain preliminary approval for establishing the seaport, but it was not achieved.

Hamas knows well that the port’s operation — which was technically inaugurated Jan. 25 — should pass through legal and political procedures with Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), so that the Gaza Strip can connect with other ports on the opposite shores of the Mediterranean Sea. Yet, Israel’s refusal of the terms of the truce pushed Hamas to make a unilateral decision — in agreement with the various factions in Gaza — to open the port on Jan. 25. This could provoke Israel, and no one knows how the latter will react to the departure of the first ship from Gaza without its consent.

Immediately after it was announced that work had begun to open the port on Jan. 25, Gaza's residents responded with varied comments. While some welcomed the move, others wondered how the port could operate without agreement from Israel and the PA. For his part, Ismail Radwan, a Hamas leader and former minister of religious endowments, told Al-Monitor, “Opening a seaport in Gaza is linked to the truce agreement concluded after the last war, yet the occupation was not committed to implementing the agreement. We call on the countries of the world to send ships to break the siege on Gaza and inaugurate a maritime route to the Gaza Strip.”

Meanwhile, Ashraf Abu Zayed, the spokesman for the Popular Commission to Break the Siege, told Al-Monitor, “The commission has agreed with contractors to carry out construction work, to actually start establishing the port. It will be Gaza’s window to the world, in light of the ongoing Israeli siege on Gaza. We’ve been in touch with a number of European ports, and they’ve expressed willingness to deal with the Gaza port.”

“We’ve contacted the French and Dutch port authorities to secure the $43 million they committed to the port project," Abu Zayed said. "The costs for the waterway preparations that are currently underway are minor amounts, gathered from businessmen and foreign aid convoys that arrived to Gaza in the past.” He also confirmed that several European states — including Turkey, Greece and Cyprus — were prepared to receive ships through the waterway.

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The Real Ruler of Israel: Sheldon Adelson
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Who is the ruler of Israel?

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, of course.

WRONG.

The real ruler of Israel is one Sheldon Adelson, 81, American Jew, Casino king, who was rated as the world’s tenth richest person, worth 37.2 billion dollars at the latest count. But who is counting?

Besides his casinos in Las Vegas, Pennsylvania, Macao and Singapore, he owns the US Republican party and, lately, both Houses of the US Congress.

He also owns Binyamin Netanyahu.

Adelson’s connection with Israel is personal. On a blind date, he fell in love with an Israeli woman.

Miriam Farbstein was born in Haifa, attended a prestigious high school, did her army service in the Israeli institute which deals with bacteriological warfare and is a multifaceted scientist. After one of her sons (from her first marriage) died of an overdose, she is devoted to the fight against drugs, especially cannabis.

Both Adelsons are fanatical supporters of Israel. Not just any Israel, but a rightist, supremacist, arrogant, violent, expansionist, annexationist, non-compromising, colonialist Israel.

In “Bibi” Netanyahu they found their man. Through Netanyahu they hope to rule Israel as their private fief.

To assure this, they did an extraordinary thing: they founded an Israeli newspaper, solely devoted to the furthering of the interests of Binyamin Netanyahu. Not of the Likud, not of a specific policy, but of Netanyahu personally.

Years ago I invented a Hebrew word for papers which are distributed for nothing. “Hinamon” translates, roughly, into “ragratis” or “gratissue” and was intended to denigrate. But I did not dream of a monster like “Israel Hayom” (“Israel Today”) – a paper with unlimited funds, distributed every day for nothing in the streets and malls all over the country by hundreds, perhaps thousands of paid young persons.

Israelis love getting something for nothing. Israel Hayom is now the daily paper with the widest distribution in Israel. It drains readers and advertising revenue from its only competitor – Yedioth Ahronoth (“Latest News”), which held this title until then.

Yedioth reacted furiously. It became a ferocious enemy of Netanyahu. Yossi Werter, a commentator of the center-left Haaretz (which has a far lower circulation) even believes that the present election boils down to a contest between the two papers.

That is vastly exaggerated. Judged by political and social content, there is little to differentiate the two. Both are super-patriotic, war-mongering and rightist. That is the journalistic recipe for attracting the masses anywhere in the world.

Yedioth is owned by the Moses family, a business-minded clan. The present, third-generation publisher is Arnon (“Noni”) Moses, the publicity-shy boss of a large economic empire based on the paper. The paper serves his business interests, but he has no special political interests.

Adelson is unique.

In Israel, betting is forbidden by law. We have no casinos, and secret gambling dens are raided by the police. In our early youth we were taught that casino moguls are bad people, almost like arms merchants. They take the money off poor addicted people, throwing them into despair, even suicide. See Dostoyevsky.

Israelis read Israel Hayom (it’s something for nothing, after all), but they don’t necessarily like the man and his methods. So some members of the Knesset were encouraged to enter a bill forbidding gratis newspapers altogether.

Netanyahu and the Likud party did everything to obstruct this bill. But in the preliminary vote (necessary for private members’ bills) they were beaten in an amazing way. Even members of Netanyahu’s governing coalition voted for it. The cameras caught Netanyahu literally running in the Knesset plenum hall to gain his seat before the voting started.

The vote was 43 to 23. Almost half the Likud members absented themselves. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and his party voted for the bill. So did ministers Ya’ir Lapid and Tzipi Livni.

From the preliminary vote to the final adoption, such a bill has to pass several stages. There was plenty of time to bury it in one of the committees. But Netanyahu was furious. A few days after the vote, he dismissed Lapid and Livni from the cabinet, causing the government coalition to break up and the Knesset to disperse.

Why did Netanyahu do such a foolish thing less then half way through his (third) term of office? There can be only one logical explanation: he was ordered to do so by Adelson, in order to prevent the adoption of the law.

If so, Adelson is now our chief lawmaker. Perhaps he is also our chief government-maker.

Money plays an ever-increasing role in politics. Election propaganda is made on television, which is very expensive. Both in Israel and the US, legal and illegal funds pour into the campaign, directly and indirectly. Corruption is abetted or tolerated by the courts. The very rich (known euphemistically in America as the “wealthy”) exercise undue influence.

In the last US presidential elections, Adelson poured rivers of dollars into the contest. He supported Newt Gingrich, and then Mitt Romney, with huge sums of money. In vain. Perhaps Americans don’t like to be ruled by captains of casinos.

For the next US presidential elections, Adelson has started early. He has summoned to his Las Vegas casino HQ all leading Republican candidates, to grill them on their allegiance to him – and to Netanyahu. Nobody dared to refuse the summons. Would a Roman senator refuse the summons of Caesar?

In Israel, such rituals are superfluous. The Adelsons – both Miri and Sheldon – know who their man is.

The Israel Hayom newspaper is, of course, a big propaganda machine, totally devoted to the re-election of Netanyahu. All quite legal. In a democracy, who can tell a newspaper whom to support? We are still a democracy, for God’s sake!

It seems to be strange for a country to allow a foreigner, who never lived in the country, to have such enormous power over its future, indeed, over its very existence.

That’s where Zionism comes in. According to the Zionist creed, Israel is the state of the Jews, all the Jews. Every Jew in the world belongs to Israel, even if temporarily residing somewhere else. A few days ago, Netanyahu publicly claimed to represent not just the State of Israel but also the entire “Jewish People”. No need to ask them.

Accordingly, Adelson is not really a foreigner. He is one of us. True, he cannot vote in Israel, though his wife probably can. But many people, including himself, believe that he, being a Jew, has a perfect right to interfere in our affairs and dominate our lives.

For example, the appointment of our ambassador in the US. Ron Dermer is an American, born in Miami, who was active in Republican politics. To appoint an American functionary of the Republican Party as ambassador of Israel to a Democratic administration may seem strange. Not so strange if Netanyahu acted under the orders of Sheldon Adelson.

It was Adelson who prepared the witches’ brew that is now endangering Israel’s lifeline to Washington. His stooge, Dermer, induced the Republicans in Congress – all of them dependent on Adelson’s largesse or hoping to be so – to invite Netanyahu to give an anti-Obama speech before both Houses.

While this intrigue was in preparation, Dermer met with John Kerry but did not tell him of Netanyahu’s coming. Neither did Netanyahu inform President Obama, who, in a fury, announced that he would not meet with the Prime Minister.

From the point of view of Israel’s vital interests, it is sheer madness to provoke the President of the United States of America, who controls American’s flow of arms to Israel and the American veto power in the UN. But from the point of view of Adelson, who wants to elect a Republican president in 2016, it makes sense. He has already threatened to invest unlimited sums of money to prevent the reelection of any Senator or Representative who is absent from Netanyahu’s speech.

We are nearing open warfare between the Government of Israel and the President of the United States.

Is someone playing roulette with our future?
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Among the claims of this article is the allegation that Jewish billionaires totally control the US government. This is a very superficial statement. The non-Jews clearly have a lot more money than the Jews and public opinion cannot be bought with money alone at the elections.
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Why Netanyahu can’t lure a mass migration of European Jews to Israel


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JERUSALEM

This past year, Brussels, Paris and Copenhagen have been scenes of lethal attacks against Jews by benighted young Islamists in uncertain international networks. The deaths have triggered revulsion in European capitals but also a particular response in Jerusalem. After Copenhagen, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that “Jews have been murdered again on European soil only because they were Jews,” and, as he did after Paris, he exhorted European Jews — actually, all Jews, including Americans — to emigrate to Israel, “the home of every Jew.” With reporters present, Netanyahu presented his Cabinet with a $50 million plan to accommodate “mass immigration.” “Israel is waiting for you with open arms,” he said.

Netanyahu is also, presumably, waiting for the messiah. But even if the summons is sincere, most Jews in the West don’t need his protection — or conceive of Israel as their “home.” Life in Europe is just not perilous or alien in the way he implies, and even if it were, Israel is no easier to move to than any other country. It is, as it was intended to be, a radically different Jewish culture, engendered by a very foreign tongue only vaguely familiar to Western Jews from their liturgy. Israel is not the 21st arrondissement, and it cannot provide some comfortably Jewish yet pluralistic idyll that worried Western Jews might be longing for right now.


On some level, Netanyahu may simply have defaulted to the neo-Zionist passion play popular with his national-orthodox political allies, in which the victimization of innocent Jews transcends history — the Passover Haggadah predicts persecution “in every generation” as a venal, ineradicable response to the Jews’ divine election — and which depicts the risen Jewish state as redemption. He might be simply posturing for next month’s less-divine election, reassuring voters that he, alone and defiantly, speaks hard truths against perpetual threats to world Jewry. He might even be implying what his party has said for years: that the problem of annexing the occupied territories, along with their Palestinian residents, would be much easier if millions of European and American Jewish settlers showed up.


But instead, take Netanyahu at his word — that he sincerely cares about the safety and happiness of diaspora Jews. Even so, it is futile to try to induce them to move here, for several reasons.

For “mass immigration” to make sense, the places where Jews now live would have to be insufferably dangerous for them, or at least Israel would have to be comparatively safer. Yet while European democracies are not without their hatreds, ethnic frictions and sociopaths (human beings live there), it is completely ahistorical to believe they are failing Jews, or any other group, in ways that are reminiscent of the 1930s and ’40s — a period from which Netanyahu draws dubious lessons, even as he understandably urges us to remember it. Any citizen of the European Union can freely travel, work and invest across member countries. This may make things easier for terrorists, too, alas, but it is a tribute to federal and liberal institutions that emerged after the war and remain resilient.

Public attitudes bear out an unprecedented era of tolerance — one that is in no danger of collapse. According to a recent Pew poll, almost 90 percent of people in France, 82 percent of Germans and 72 percent of Spaniards say they have a favorable opinion of Jews. Polls in Britain show that attitudes toward Jews are about as positive (and about as negative) as attitudes toward Christians and more positive than those toward “Asians.”

Racist fringe parties have risen in France, Austria, Hungary and some other European states; France’s National Front, for instance, commands about a fifth of the electorate. These parties largely target Muslims, but they also imply anti-Semitism. And public attitudes toward Israel, especially with Netanyahu as its face, have soured in recent years. This is, no doubt, a reaction to occupation and settlements, and the frustration spills over to various diaspora Jewish organizations that defend those policies. But this not anti-Semitism; it is growing moral condemnation. Nor are the overwhelming majority of Jews in Belgium, France and Denmark living under persecution. Spectacular but rare attacks are not signs of existential doom.

At the same time, might Israel seem like a sanctuary for European Jews who, for whatever reasons, feel unsafe? I have often landed at Ben-Gurion Airport and heard passengers break into applause. But, surely, this is hardly like landing on a Haganah ship in 1947. Indeed, the frictions with Palestinians that make for political tensions in Europe make for actual violence in Israel: Between 2000 and 2004, about 1,000 Israelis were killed in various bombings and attacks. The wall that Likud built to separate Palestinians, and the missile-protection shield funded by the United States, have dramatically reduced the number of casualties but not the intention of a determined minority to kill: Hezbollah’s thousands of rockets are not, after all, trained on the Left Bank.


This situation helps explain why about 15 percent of the 1 million Russian Jews who came to Israel in the 1990s have left for Western countries. In recent years, more Israelis have moved to Berlin than French have moved to Jerusalem: Out of France’s 700,000 Jews, perhaps 6,000 mainly orthodox immigrants came to Israel last year — three times the number from the United States, but hardly “mass immigration.” Until the rise of fascism, no exodus of Western Jews came to the Yishuv. Since fascism’s defeat, the same pattern holds true.

If security, then, will not move diaspora Jews to emigrate, the real question for them is whether they could be happy in this fractured Israeli culture, which, among other things, disputes even such terms as “diaspora.” Most Western Jewish immigrants will not even begin to appreciate the complexity of this question until they become fluent in Hebrew, a project of self-transformation as challenging for them as it was for Jews from the Russian Pale of Settlement in the 1890s to become English-speaking Americans. Previous generations of immigrants came out of dire need, with no other options; today’s diaspora Jews are comfortable Westerners with iPhones, frequent-flier programs and private schools — and a feel for liberal commonwealth. (Is Bernard-Henri Lévy not, for God’s sake, French?)

Netanyahu implies that the Law of Return, which renders Jewish immigrants into citizens, can make them Israelis as well. And some aspects of life here make it seem like inhabitants simply transplanted their cultures wholesale: Owing to ultra-orthodox Haredi Yiddish speakers and modern orthodox arrivistes from New Jersey or Paris, there are pockets of Jerusalem in which Hebrew is hardly spoken. (From their perspective, Israel is a bit like a wondrous museum of Judaism, with archeological digs finding — or trumping up — traces of David’s reign and settlers spreading out to biblical places.) The once secular, middle-class neighborhood I live in, the German Colony, is sprouting vacation apartments, yeshivas, synagogues, New York delis and French restaurants. How easy it would be to move there!

Jerusalem is still the home of Hebrew University, government agencies and other Israeli institutions. But only 19 percent of its adults are now secular. Tens of thousands have left for Tel Aviv, Israel’s beating heart, where the country’s unique secular life is thriving and the transformation immigrants must undergo is much more challenging than Netanyahu advertises. (I know; I went through it myself after 1967, when Israel still seemed a pristine adventure.) In fact, the growing disjunction between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv reflects a subtle cultural struggle that most Western Jews, lacking Hebrew, can miss completely.

Likud party leaders, from Menachem Begin to Netanyahu, have worked to make Israel more of a “Jewish state” than a Hebrew democracy. They’ve implied that the secular Israeliness born of Labor Zionist state-building — kibbutz harvest festivals, the historical scholarship of Hebrew University, modern Hebrew poetry — has produced something inauthentic. On the settlements, “Israeliness” is an epithet, a modern vision in which the innovations of the Hebrew enlightenment and the promise of political normalcy falsely presume to overcome persecution and religious law. Rightists also scoff at Israeliness because it opens civil space for Israeli Arabs, such as the writer Sayed Kashua, who know Israel’s language, music, celebrities, geography and rules of the road, or lack of them more thoroughly than new Jewish immigrants do. (Kashua, exasperated to see racism winning the argument, now lives in Illinois.)


In other words, Europe’s dangers, the failure of its liberalism, the murder of its Jews just for being Jews, the intractability of existential threats — all of these Netanyahu fixations are part of Israel’s founding mythology as Likud sees it. Progressive Israelis are more skeptical. (That conservative vision of Europe is common in Israeli street culture but often disputed in its literary culture, dramatized in national remembrance days but ignored when Israelis look for vacation spots.) And Netanyahu’s rhetorical bows to Jewish statehood risk distracting from the imperative to become a Hebrew-speaking Israeli. Apart from those in certain Jerusalem enclaves, this imperative hits new immigrants hard once they start making their lives. To be sure, the satisfactions of Hebrew culture are very great. But they cannot be acquired without a struggle. What, for most Western Jews, is the incentive to undertake that struggle?

“We’re Danish Jews, but we’re Danish,” said Jeppe Juhl, a spokesman for the Jewish community in Denmark. “It won’t be terror that makes us go to Israel.” Which is another way of saying that, for most, nothing will. Then again, terror can apparently draw Israelis to Europe — at least for a couple of weeks. After Netanyahu’s exhortation, the mayors of Kiryat Gat and Beit She’an, each running deficits, seized on the pretext of recruiting French immigrants to organize Parisian junkets for themselves and other municipal officials . Apparently, there is some beauty in the West. You can take your Zionism only so far.

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Jerusalem Post

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A new leak of secret intelligence documents obtained by Al Jazeera shows that the Mossad expressed the belief that Tehran was not pursuing a nuclear weapon just a month after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the Islamic Republic was a year away from becoming nuclear-armed.

The Qatari television network, in collaboration with Britain's Guardian will be publishing "The Spy Cables" in the coming days.

The documents, spanning the period of 2006-2014, were written by members of South Africa's State Security Agency (SSA). The documents, according to Al Jazeera, highlight the SSA's dealings with the intelligence services of its allies, including the Mossad and the CIA.


The documents also purportedly discuss CIA efforts to maintain contacts with Hamas, despite the group's designation as a terror organization by the US government.

The network did not give further details on the document detailing the Mossad's view on Iran's nuclear aspirations. To whom the Mossad made the comments and when the view was voiced were not included in the network's initial report.

Meir Dagan, the Mossad chief from 2002 until 2011, has often voiced a differing opinion from that of Netanyahu on how to deal with the Iranian nuclear issue, and how close Iran may be to the bomb.

Before leaving office in January 2011, Dagan broke away from earlier predictions and said that in his view, Iran would obtain a nuclear weapon only in 2015.

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Israel, last 35 yrs, saying Iran 1 yr away from nuclear weapon :lol:


classified Mossad cable, released Monday

Israeli spy agency sent a top-secret cable to South Africa's State Security Agency (SSA) in October 2012 which presented a "bottom line" assessment of Iran's nuclear work.

In the report, Mossad concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons.”

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Very close race tomorrow between Netanyahu-Likud and Isaac Herzog-Zionist Union. Fingers crossed for the Zionist Union, guess I'm not the only one who likes to see Dork Netanyahu end his baboon talk on the international stage.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Hope Natanyahu wins

If BiBi wins, Zionist adventure will come to a much sooner boil, and, things will be done one way or other

If the other side wins, the things will drag on

Wonder why these people not go home, to Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine and Poland ? ?
lol.. good one HP. Ok lets script a bit further while floating around on your Persian carpet.

Bibi wins. Does it hasten the end of Israel? Of course not. It would only mean more violent confrontations with Palestinians who usually die in greater numbers. You don't seem to care much about them.

But who knows.. you might be right. Israel will somehow fall apart and the number of dead Palestinians paying the price will be staggering.. but worth it of course. Israeli Jews will be briefed by Flying Iranian HP that it may be better to go back to countries in Europe their predecessors came from. They will shake their heads in disbelief of why they didn't come up with that brilliant idea earlier themselves, and pay tribute to HP who opened their long closed Zionist eyes. The Israeli army will be dismantled and the weaponry put for sale on eBay. Within 6 months most Jews left and Israel no longer exists. Right.

But then what? A big power vacuum arises and all hell breaks loose! Similar to the power vacuum left behind after Saddam Hussein and his army were destroyed in Iraq.. nothing could stop or contain inter-Arab ethno-religious fighting take over with the usual ruthless violent escalations.. where the most ruthless and violent force wins. Iran, with its delusions of grandeur will of course allow itself to be drawn into it.. for the Shiites will be in serious danger in this Suni dominated area. In no time it will be Iran+Syria+1/2 Iraq+Hezbollah against Jordan+Egypt+1/2 Iraq+Saudi Arabia. And in between ISIS as the third man to make sure no peace is ever possible. Failed Islamic cultures, with no excuses left, with no Big or Small Satan around anymore.. will combat till their last man standing and He will call himself the true heir of their beloved prophet Muhammad. Bathing in blood and ruling over rubble and standing on hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.

But HP will be very happy. This is what he wanted. Zionism is over Hallelujah!

But if the onslaught is too grotesque.. of course.. it is always possible to still blame Zionists: it was their Master Move to leave the Meddle East so that Muslims will go on self-destruct! It was all planned! It was the Anglo-Zionist-Bilderberg plot all along!

When the era of the great ME wars is finally over and all destroyed...it is only a matter of time when Jewish bankers move in with their own private armies (US leftover military)...and take over Jerusalem again making it the new financial center of the world after the Big Financial Collapse.. that will dwarf the 2008 cardiac arrest. There is no more need for oil by then since nuclear fusion has taken over fossil fuels entirely. The Arabs will be back to their camels and the Iranians to their carpets reading soft poetry.
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Since Israel is often accused of being a racist apartheid country, it is worth clarifying some details here.

In order to become a citizen of Israel, it is enough to convert to Judaism, it is not necessary to be of Jewish ancestry. In addition, even without being Jewish, any applicant who has just one Jewish grandparent (who did not convert to another religion willingly, but if coerced to convert to another religion, this is forgiven), is accepted as a citizen of Israel.

Here is the Wikipedia article that lists the legal requirements to become an Israeli citizen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law
From the article:
The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel. In the 1970s the Law of Return was expanded to grant the same rights to the spouse of a Jew, the children of a Jew and their spouses, and the grandchildren of a Jew and their spouses, provided that the Jew did not practice a religion other than Judaism willingly.
(The caveat is that the Jewish grandparent of the non-Jewish applicant must not have converted to another religion willingly.)

And as usual, the children of Jewish women are always considered Jewish regardless of who the father is. For this reason, it is not accurate to say that Israel is racist, although there are some racist Jews in the world.
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HAL10000: although we will know soon, whom do you expect to win the Israeli election and why?
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However:
Radar barrier could detect Gaza tunnels, experts say

US has used ground-penetrating radar to look for tunnels at home and abroad; experts call it best hope for Israel

Finding and neutralizing underground terror tunnels in the Gaza Strip has become a top priority as the result of Operation Protective Edge, and experts say ground radar could help. The Israel Defense Forces acknowledges that it is testing some systems without describing them – and the “wall of radar” might be one of them.

A senior IDF officer told journalists during the fighting that the army is looking to deploy two or three layers of technology in combination with underground barriers on the Israel-Gaza border. The goal is to create a system to detect and deter the “attack tunnels.”

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Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:Hope Natanyahu wins

If BiBi wins, Zionist adventure will come to a much sooner boil, and, things will be done one way or other

If the other side wins, the things will drag on

Wonder why these people not go home, to Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine and Poland ? ?
lol.. good one HP. Ok lets script a bit further while floating around on your Persian carpet.

Bibi wins. Does it hasten the end of Israel? Of course not. It would only mean more violent confrontations with Palestinians who usually die in greater numbers. You don't seem to care much about them.

But who knows.. you might be right. Israel will somehow fall apart and the number of dead Palestinians paying the price will be staggering.. but worth it of course. Israeli Jews will be briefed by Flying Iranian HP that it may be better to go back to countries in Europe their predecessors came from. They will shake their heads in disbelief of why they didn't come up with that brilliant idea earlier themselves, and pay tribute to HP who opened their long closed Zionist eyes. The Israeli army will be dismantled and the weaponry put for sale on eBay. Within 6 months most Jews left and Israel no longer exists. Right.

But then what? A big power vacuum arises and all hell breaks loose! Similar to the power vacuum left behind after Saddam Hussein and his army were destroyed in Iraq.. nothing could stop or contain inter-Arab ethno-religious fighting take over with the usual ruthless violent escalations.. where the most ruthless and violent force wins. Iran, with its delusions of grandeur will of course allow itself to be drawn into it.. for the Shiites will be in serious danger in this Suni dominated area. In no time it will be Iran+Syria+1/2 Iraq+Hezbollah against Jordan+Egypt+1/2 Iraq+Saudi Arabia. And in between ISIS as the third man to make sure no peace is ever possible. Failed Islamic cultures, with no excuses left, with no Big or Small Satan around anymore.. will combat till their last man standing and He will call himself the true heir of their beloved prophet Muhammad. Bathing in blood and ruling over rubble and standing on hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.

But HP will be very happy. This is what he wanted. Zionism is over Hallelujah!

But if the onslaught is too grotesque.. of course.. it is always possible to still blame Zionists: it was their Master Move to leave the Meddle East so that Muslims will go on self-destruct! It was all planned! It was the Anglo-Zionist-Bilderberg plot all along!

When the era of the great ME wars is finally over and all destroyed...it is only a matter of time when Jewish bankers move in with their own private armies (US leftover military)...and take over Jerusalem again making it the new financial center of the world after the Big Financial Collapse.. that will dwarf the 2008 cardiac arrest. There is no more need for oil by then since nuclear fusion has taken over fossil fuels entirely. The Arabs will be back to their camels and the Iranians to their carpets reading soft poetry.

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Parodite, Problem Israel has, is, Zionist think they can force things by military, by killing Pali woman and children .. they think, as many Israeli presidents have said, Pali are mosquito on the wall or beast walking on 2 foots

As long as this mindset prevails in Israel, things will become worst

To change that mindset, as Norman Finkelstein correctly said, Zionist Israel needs a "catastrophic" defeat

When that happens, Israeli will realize, more killing will not guaranty them a jewish state

Jewish state can only be guaranteed by asking to be accommodated and not by elbowing in

Present leaders of Zionist Israel, all same mindset, they just playin good cop bad cop, leads no where, rather extends the agony

"Rise" of Iran is good for finding a just solution for a home Ashkenazim .. don't forget "golden age" of Jewish State (only Jewish State in history so far) was as "Persian Satrap" :lol:

In above sense, BiBi expedites things and will lead sooner to Zionist awakening

Herzog will drag things a few more yrs, and, at the end, we will see he sayin same thing BiBi sayin .. no good


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Heracleum Persicum wrote:To change that mindset, as Norman Finkelstein correctly said, Zionist Israel needs a "catastrophic" defeat
When that happens...
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