Ibrahim wrote:Typhoon wrote:Marcus wrote:Typhoon wrote:Milo wrote:Arguments as to who held the high ground in history remind me of some unemployed loser who brags about their aristocratic ancestry.
What counts is now and now there is not one Islamic society on earth that has civilizational bragging rights.
Ever been to Turkey or Malaysia?
If you venture to Turkey, don't talk to the Orthodox Patriarch . .
Is he that lousy a tour guide?
His main objection is that the Orthodox seminary in Istanbul's Fener district (the one he himself attended) has been closed for some years now as part of a law that shuttered all private religious schools in order to close several noted "Islamist" institutions.
Overall treatment of the Orthodox community in Istanbul is very good. They even have their own soccer team, so any desire for interfaith street fighting is channeled into the traditional European passtime of hooliganism.
Maintenance of ancient Christian historical and archeological sites in Turkey, even now-disused ones, is among the best in the world.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.......
so any desire for interfaith street fighting is channeled into the traditional European passtime of hooliganism.
That may be true Christian/Muslim...BUT is it true Muslim/Christian??..........
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Father Andrea Santoro (7 September 1945 in Priverno, Italy – 5 February 2006 in Trabzon, Turkey) was a Roman Catholic priest in Turkey, murdered in the Santa Maria Church in Trabzon where he served as a member of the Catholic Church's Fidei donum missionary program.
On 5 February 2006 he was shot dead from behind while kneeling in prayer in the church. A witness heard the perpetrator shouting "Allahu Akbar".[1][2] Oğuzhan Akdin, a 16-year-old high school student, was arrested two days after the shooting, carrying a 9mm pistol. An investigation by the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations on stolen weaponry in Iraq revealed that the gun was of the same type used in the supposedly Islamist attack on the Turkish Council of State in 2006.[3]
The student told police he had been influenced by the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy.[4] The murder was preceded by massive anti-Christian propaganda in the Turkish popular press.[5] In the three months before his murder, Father Santoro's telephone had been tapped by the Turkish police in Trabzon.[6
Could be worse........ This is fairly good unless he gets paroled out early like happens here....... BUT LWOP would have been MUCH Better......
Let him grow old and gray infirm and leave in a coffin.......
On 10 October 2006, the accused Oğuzhan Akdin was sentenced to 18 years, 10 months, and 20 days in prison for "premeditated murder" by a Juvenile court in Trabzon.[7]
But this is not..........
neither the killer nor his mother showed any remorse during the trial. She even compared her son to Mehmet Ali Ağca, who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II in 1981, and said that his deed "was committed in the name of Allah and was a gift to the state and the nation".[8]
As the murderer of Armenian-Turkish journalist Hrant Dink also came from Trabzon and also under 18 years of age, Turkish police are investigating possible connections between the slayings of Santoro and Dink.[9]
And neither is this.........
Hrant Dink (Armenian: Հրանդ Տինք (Western variant) or Հրանտ Դինք (Eastern variant), pronounced [həˈɾɑnt diŋkʰ]) (September 15, 1954 – January 19, 2007) was a Turkish citizen of Armenian descent[1] editor, journalist and columnist.
As editor-in-chief of the bilingual Turkish-Armenian newspaper Agos (Ակօս), Dink was a prominent member of the Armenian minority in Turkey. Dink was best known for advocating Turkish-Armenian reconciliation and human and minority rights in Turkey; he was often critical of both Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide, and of the Armenian diaspora's campaign for its international recognition.[2][3] Dink was prosecuted three times for denigrating Turkishness, while receiving numerous death threats from Turkish nationalists.[2][4][5][6]
Hrant Dink was assassinated in Istanbul in January 2007, by Ogün Samast, a 17-year old Turkish nationalist. This was shortly after the premiere of the genocide documentary Screamers, in which he is interviewed about Turkish denial of the Armenian Genocide of 1915 and the case against him under article 301. While Samast has since been taken into custody, photographs of the assassin flanked by smiling Turkish police and gendarmerie, posing with the killer side by side in front of the Turkish flag, have since surfaced. [7][8]
But this is good.......
The photos created a scandal in Turkey, prompting a spate of investigations and the removal from office of those involved.
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