Parodite wrote:Pasted from
other thread where it was off topic.
Parodite wrote:Enki wrote:Ibrahim wrote:Enki wrote:Monster_Gardener The problem with your quote about dhimmitude is that the other side was never any better than that. Europe used catapults, burned books and enslaved people.
Hate to be pedantic (j/k I love it!) but this use of the term "dhimmi" is a product of the Breivik reading list. The actual term meant people who didn't have to serve in the military, and so paid an extra tax. Correctly speaking it means "protected" and you could argue that all civilian citizens of a given country are "dhimmis" with regards to their government.
Spencer, Steyn et al use it to mean "ruled by Muslims." Truly a fate worse than death, except for the large swathes of history when it was the best case scenario (as you observed).
Thank you for explaining this. That makes a lot of sense.
Not a totally good clarification though. A Dhimmi simply means a non-Muslim. But it is true non-Muslim communties were given rights and protection, as well as some restrictions that were however minor. In general a tolerant environment for minorities especially in comparison with say the Roman Empire.
That doesn't mean however that Dhimmis, i.e. non-Muslims always and everywhere enjoyed those rights and protection under Islamic rule. Nor do people in general welcome an army at their doorstep saying: "Surrender! Then I will tolerantly rule over your life!" Islamic empire was as ruthless as any against those that rejected the offer or resisted it once the rule became fact. And because minorities with strong identities tend to resent
being ruled by others as they perceive it, dhimmies were also not allowed to bear arms because you don't want armed revolts to arise. As to gun laws, the Islamic empire more resembled modern Europe than the USA
So I'll have to agree that using the term dhimmi as to represent
maltreatment of non-Muslim minorities in Islamic empire to be bad choice. But people who associate dhimmitude with something
bad, probably do so because they are of the opinion that those non-Muslims should not live under Islamic rule tot begin with, and live their lives independently on a different territory , to be free from the whims of the ruler of the day.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Rhapsody.
A Dhimmi simply means a non-Muslim.
With much due respect, this is incorrect.
A dhimmi is/was a non-Muslim who was paying his protection money to the Muslim Mafia/Mob and obeying the Muslim Mob rules.
Being a dhimmi was usually preferable to death/living as a Jew in near mid 20th Century Germany
but IMVHO not always preferable to paying protection money to the Italian Mafia
in that with the Muslim Mob you got punched in the jaw even if you did pay the protection money while as long as you paid on time the Italian Mafia did not break your legs........
Other nuances....... Such as Dhimmitude was supposed to be open only to Jews and Christians and was supposed to be a tool for pressuring them to convert as well as a way to make non Muslims show respect/money.......... And it was a VERY good tool to that effect..... Not as many Jews and Christians in the ME as there used to be.....
But as usual money corrupts and when you are dealing with an evil like Islam, that can be a VERY good thing
......
Originally the option was supposed to be "Convert or Die" for Non Muslims who were not Christians or Jews/People of the Book but murder by hand can be VERY hard work and when you can tax instead of killer the temptation for non total fanatic Muslims became irresistible......
So Hindus, Zoroastrians and others became de facto
Profit Centers for Prophet Perps oops I mean People of the Book.........
And it gets funnier....... Muslim Mob Magnates got dependent on that People of the Book Protection Money and the Fun they had collecting it so much so that when some Dhimmis wanted to become late adopters
of the Malignant Muslim Meme and thus fellow Muslim Monsters not having to pay the Protection Money etc. the Muslim Magnates would try to prevent it...
If Muslims in the West or in Israel were placed under equivalent rules today, Muslims would have to walk or ride bicycles* to the IRS office and stand in line to get punched on the jaw by the tax collector with death penalty possible for non payment, would not be allowed to live in a house higher than any Christian or Jewish house nearby, would have to wear a Crescent Moon badge on clothing of a special color, they would NOT be allowed to build new Mosques or repair old ones without special permission and would NOT be allowed to caterwaul
from a minaret **to call Muslims to pray. Would have to keep the night parties during Ramadan & at EID as quiet as a mouse on cotton
. In some places, Muslims would not be allowed to go outside when there was rain or snow for fear that rain drops or snowflakes would splash from them on to Christians or Jews and give them cooties
making them unable to take communion or go to Synagogue without using a mikvah... Muslim life would not be worth much in many places because the blood money/were gild fine for murdering one could be viewed as a hunting license by wealthy non Muslims and even that could be discounted...In real bad places, if a Muslim under the domination of a Christian Mob family was killed by a Christian or Jew from a different Mob Family, a Muslim under the domination of the murderer's family would be killed instead of paying a fine.... More: kidnapping of Muslim Boyz to make Special Mob Commandos..... Girls for Fun, Fun, Fun...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooties
*might not be allowed to have a seat........
**Probably no minaret at all especially after Sigmund Freud's Pioneering work on Phallic Symbols
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