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So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.
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Hans Bulvai wrote:So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Hans.

Thanks for the news. Had not heard about this yet.
Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go.
Practical People Do What they Have to Do If They Can........

As Much as I Munch Like a Maniac on the Malignant Muslim Meme, Islam is a Much better Meme than the Malicious Meme Infection :evil: :evil: :evil: Which was Working Woe in Near Mid Term 20th Century Germany because the Muslim Meme allows One to Make Friends with the Monster ;) by becoming a Monster ;) /Muslim........

NSFW in especially in Magic Kingdom Muslim Monarchies like Snotty ;) oops I mean Saudi Arabia with lots of Mickey Mouse Rulez & MUTTawen S.O.B. :twisted: rulers....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NjbGr2nk2c

Same Sails for Shia........ Looney Sunni Can Convert to the Silly Shiite.........

And as Long as One is a Monster ;) like Me ;) instead of an Elmer InFuddel ;) ......

Silly Shiite has some Significant Advantages........

Lots more Art...... Can draw Animals Like Chaos Monkeys, Rakish ;) Pigs and Killer Apes without their heads cut off* ;) :twisted: etc...

Especially if the Monkeys, Pigs and Apes are also Silly Shiite Saints :lol:

Temporary Marriages......... Instead of Sinning with a Slut you can Marry her for a Month, Months or even a Moment ;) :lol: 8-)

There are some drawbacks to the Silly Shia Stuff......... :|

They are NUTso about Ritual Purity........ May come in part from the Zoroastrian Ancestors who had to depend on Dirty Angry Birds :lol: to Dispose of the Dead.....*

And they are into S&M.... :shock:

Might have to get out the Whips and Chains......... ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourning_of_Muharram

Image

Too bad the Ladies Don't Seem to Light Into it too....... ;) :twisted:

Can cost Some of Your Blood.......

But if you are careful about it, not all.....

If one is a Muslim Artist, could be called Suffering for your Art....... ;)

Worth it to be able to draw something other than Plants and Zombies......... ;)

89DfdOIJ4xw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89DfdOIJ4xw

Who are already dead so Allah won't bug you about it in the Afterlife saying you have to give life to that Damned Drawing of An Animal that doesn't Have its Head Hacked off) ;)
Probably to Prevent it from becoming a Zombie ;) :twisted: :lol:

Finally, the Big Bogey Baddies for Silly Shia are the 90% of Malicious Muslims who are Looney Sunnis.....
Many of whom consider Silly Shiites to be WORSE than JEWS!
Maybe because they Might be Crypto ;) Zoroastrian Zombies ;) :twisted: :lol:

But it seems that Money can solve that problem........
Poderoso Caballero es Don Dinero.........
Especially if he is a Persian Paladin...... ;)
Who may also be a Crypto Zoroastrian Zombie :shock: :lol:

Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.
Well IIRC Jordan is one of the few Arab/Muslim Nations that gives Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Killer Apes Citizenship**
And didn't King WhoWasSane ;) or one of his kids ;) marry a Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Maid...

Also remembering one of G_d's Most Peculiar Killer Apes..... An Israeli Leader in fact promoting Rolling ;) the Pali-Simian Chaos Monkeys Over the Jordan ;) into Jordan ;) .......

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvaeIxuEdVs

Could Beat Being in Gaza under HamAss ;) & Dizzy Izzie Penguin Guns :shock: ;) ****
Never mind that the Pali-Simians elected the HamAss Pigs ;)......
And Provoke the Peculiar Izzie Penguins into Shooting :roll:the HamAss Red Hot :twisted: Proctologist Pigs ;) Like the Angry Birds ;) that they are :lol: :lol: :lol:

Azari contends that the Pali-Simians are the TOS ;) G_d's Very Peculiar Penguin People ;) ....

I suspect that they are Also Ammonites tentacles, coiled shells and all ;) **

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonite

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For Some Strange Lovecraftian Reason this Reminds me of The Original Series (TOS) Palestinian Pali-Simian Chaos Monkeys the Philistines*** and their Fishy ;) God Dagon.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon_%28film%29


Disclaimer: I too am largely a Rather Rakish ;) Sinful Depraved Egotistical Chaos Monkey Killer Ape Pig and I am from the Mongrel ;) Nation of Uz......

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towers_of_Silence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Bird ... eo_game%29

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*A type of Tower Defense against Zombies :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_defense

IMVHO of Late the Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey vs. the Very Peculiar Penguin Chaos Monkey Conflict has largely become a Twisted Sister ;) Tower Defense Game :twisted:

On Both Sides.... Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Killer Ape and Peculiar Peculiar Penguin Chaos Monkey Killer Ape.......

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqk_q4NLLI

The question is Whether the World is Going to be Able to Take it........ :shock: :|


** And Edomites and Moabites... BTW the Kings of the Jews were also part Ammonite & Moabite....... Especially that Real Bum ;)King Rheoboam who had his mental Rheostat ;) Dialed Down so much that he lost 83% of his KingDumb ;) and David who had a Moabite Great :D Grandmother Without Whom the Jews would be Rather more Ruthless ;) than Many Muslims and have less Booze :wink: oops I mean Booz....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_%28biblical_figure%29

*** Who seem to have been Geeks ;) oops I mean Greeks one of Azari's least favorite Peoples.......
Just imagine.... The Palistinians were/are Greeks! :lol:

Wondering if Dagon may have been at least half Poseidon ;) .......

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The Philistines (play /ˈfɪlɨstiːnz/, /ˈfɪlɨstaɪnz/, /fɨˈlɪstɨnz/, or /fɨˈlɪstiːnz/;[1] Hebrew: פְּלִשְׁתִּים, Plištim), Pleshet or Peleset, were a people who as part of the Sea peoples appeared in the southern coastal area of Canaan at the beginning of the Iron Age (circa 1175 BC), most probably from the Aegean region. According to the Bible, they ruled the five city-states (the "Philistine Pentapolis") of Gaza, Askelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath, from Wadi Gaza in the south to the Yarqon River in the north, but with no fixed border to the east.[2] The Bible paints them as the Kingdom of Israel's most dangerous enemy.[2] Originating somewhere in the Aegean,[3] their population was around 25,000 in the 12th century BC, rising to a peak of 30,000 in the 11th century BC........

The etymology of the word into English is from Old French Philistin, from Classical Latin Philistinus found in the writings of Josephus, from Late Greek Philistinoi (Phylistiim in the Septuagint) found in the writings by Philo, from Hebrew Plištim, (e.g. 1 Samuel 17:36; 2 Samuel 1:20; Judges 14:3; Amos 1:8), "people of Plešt" ("Philistia"); cf. Akkadian Palastu, Egyptian Parusata.

Biblical scholars often trace the word to the Semitic root p-l-š (Hebrew: פלש‎) which means "to divide", "go through", "to roll in", "cover", or "invade".[6] The name of the Philistines in their own language is not known; however, the Bible also relates them as the people of "Kaftor" (Hebrew: כפתור‎, i.e. Jeremiah 47, Verse 4). "Kaftor" is not of Hebrew or Semitic origin, which supports the possibility that this word is similar to the name they called themselves.

Another theory, proposed by Jacobsohn and supported by others, is that the name derives from the attested Illyrian locality Palaeste, whose inhabitants would have been called Palaestīnī according to normal grammatical practice.[7]


****For some Some Strange Reason this reminds me of MADagascar ;) :lol: and Near Mid Twentieth Century Germany before its Solutions became Final :twisted: & Putrid :evil: ......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_%282005_film%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisko_Plan#Background

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Hans Bulvai wrote:.

So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.

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interesting

thought, by now , Hans would be all praise of Iran after ONLY Iran (instead of all Arab brethren) gave Pali the tools to inflict vicious Zionists a bloody nose

but

NO

Hans still @ Shia crescent

come on, Hans, come on

YOU (Arab mass) want 2B somebody ? or not .. YOU (Arab mass) want glory of the past ? or not

Iran helping You (Arab mass) guys escaping new age enslavement, let go of that Arab Ajam rubbish

and

speaking Arab does not make one Arab .. Pakistani Brits ? ?

Arabs only those from Jazira-tol-Arab


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The Jordanian monarchy has one rule these days: don't make waves. If they have a popular uprising Arab Spring-style they are going to massacre them with US-made weapons, and that will ruin their reputation as the "modern, progressive" monarchy in the region, so they aren't going to make any sudden moves in either domestic or diplomatic policy.
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Ibrahim wrote:The Jordanian monarchy has one rule these days: don't make waves. If they have a popular uprising Arab Spring-style they are going to massacre them with US-made weapons, and that will ruin their reputation as the "modern, progressive" monarchy in the region, so they aren't going to make any sudden moves in either domestic or diplomatic policy.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

Sounds Like a Wise Policy both Ways.....

Staying Alive Beats Being "Modern & Progressive" especially when you are Riding Herd on Tribes of Killer Apes Known for their Violence........

Who Wants to End Up like GadDaffi Duck or as Azari reminded me, Mussolini..... :shock:

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Crocus sativus wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.

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interesting

thought, by now , Hans would be all praise of Iran after ONLY Iran (instead of all Arab brethren) gave Pali the tools to inflict vicious Zionists a bloody nose

but

NO

Hans still @ Shia crescent

come on, Hans, come on

YOU (Arab mass) want 2B somebody ? or not .. YOU (Arab mass) want glory of the past ? or not

Iran helping You (Arab mass) guys escaping new age enslavement, let go of that Arab Ajam rubbish

and

speaking Arab does not make one Arab .. Pakistani Brits ? ?

Arabs only those from Jazira-tol-Arab


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Thank You Very MUCH for your post, Azari.
speaking Arab does not make one Arab .. Pakistani Brits ? ?
Not by itself..........

But Infection with the Malignant Muslim Meme can often convert even Euroz ;) and Uz ;) into an Arab or close enough an Araboid ;) Chaos Monkey Killer Ape as to be able to pass for one when wearing a big beard and Tribal dress or a Niquab...... ;)

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone
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Re: Infectious Meme for Arab Culture.........

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monster_gardener wrote:.

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

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look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire

why ?

because only idiots would change from one rubbish to another rubbish .. if so, it would mean they believe in the new rubbish after really thinking about it

monster_gardener wrote:.

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone

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have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ? you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ? or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians

what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?


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Ibrahim wrote:The Jordanian monarchy has one rule these days: don't make waves. If they have a popular uprising Arab Spring-style they are going to massacre them with US-made weapons, and that will ruin their reputation as the "modern, progressive" monarchy in the region, so they aren't going to make any sudden moves in either domestic or diplomatic policy.
Too late. A few months ago when the government decided to increase the price of essentials, they were met with protests. These increases were in the form of either taxes (energy; up to 50% increase in taxes) or lowering food subsidies (bread and beans). The king interfered then, cancelled the new law and dismissed the government. Once a new government was elected, the new Prime Minister, Abdullah Nsur, went back to the same ol' policy of raising prices. This time, they seemed unconcerned with what the street thinks. So the people mobilized with a notable difference than ever before. There were chants of "the king must go". This is the first time in Abdullah's rein this has happened. The Petro-Sheiks have abandoned him after promises of aid. The treasury is pretty much broke, corruption rampant; especially among the 'Queen's' brothers' hold on key economic interests in the country. The Hashemite tribe does not like her at all. HE screwed himself by allowing Jordan to be Syria's Pakistan (funneling fighters, weapons and money). Syria responded by small-scale destabilizing operations in Amman (a few weeks ago a ring of Syrian mukhabarat were busted with communication devices, light weapons and such then quietly deported back to Syria). Jordan is in the ringer and the can of worms has been opened. Observers argue that this is the beginning of the end for Jordan as a Hashemite kingdom. It has the largest concentration of Palestinians of all the Middle Eastern countries so it makes sense to the authors of the new Sykes-Picot to establish it as the replacement homeland while Israel continues to steal land in the West Bank.

http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-Eas ... z2DBvdfCvj
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"This government has to go," and "those who want to raise (fuel) prices want to see the country burn," they shouted.

The protest ended peacefully in the presence of security forces and around 100 government supporters.

In Zarqa, east of Amman, around 200 people protested in a demonstration organised by the Muslim Brotherhood, and protesters also gathered in Maan and other towns in the south of the country, according to security officials.

A government announcement last week that fuel prices were set to rise, including household gas by up to 53 percent, sparked a series of protests, some calling for King Abdullah II to step down.

Calling for the king's overthrow is punishable by imprisonment, so the slogans were a major departure for a kingdom previously spared protests on the scale of other countries swept up in the Arab Spring.

Prime Minister Abdullah Nsur defended the price hike, saying the decision was "unavoidable" given the country's $5-billion (3.9-billion-euro) budget deficit, and that the measures would save $42 million by year end.

Initial protests against the announcement descended into violence, with one person killed and 71 injured, police said


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Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

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look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire

why ?

because only idiots would change from one rubbish to another rubbish .. if so, it would mean they believe in the new rubbish after really thinking about it

monster_gardener wrote:.

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone

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have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ? you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ? or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians

what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari,

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in
IMVHO not so...........

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire
I disagree but then I am a Fool........ ;) :|

More seriously how about some Zen-Secular ;) Koans......

Is a Computer Infected with a Virus, a Computer Infected with a Virus?

Is a Mind Infected with a Meme, a Mind Infected with a Meme?
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ?
Do you Mean that after All the Munching/Writing I have done on the Malignant Muslim Meme, you still don't know what I don't like about it???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mostly that unless you are the right type of Muslim, they are under orders to 1. Persuade you to convert or 2. Pay Protection Money & obey the Dhimmi Rules 3. Kill you........

Lot's of other details about this Very Infectious Malicious Control Freak Pirate Meme...........
or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians
See above........

That said some Christians can be worse than some Muslims....... & a Lot of Vis Versa......
you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ?
Think we have discussed the body count before and you blamed the Mongols/Monguls........
what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?
Think we have done this one too...........

Let's rephrase that for clarity........

What isn't in Islam but that is good in Christianity!

Lots but let's stick with the least.......

Booze.....

Not good for everyone........

But really good for others...

Sure helped Abuela become a funny fun person vs. worrying and controlling........
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Crocus sativus wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.

.

interesting

thought, by now , Hans would be all praise of Iran after ONLY Iran (instead of all Arab brethren) gave Pali the tools to inflict vicious Zionists a bloody nose

but

NO

Hans still @ Shia crescent

come on, Hans, come on

YOU (Arab mass) want 2B somebody ? or not .. YOU (Arab mass) want glory of the past ? or not

Iran helping You (Arab mass) guys escaping new age enslavement, let go of that Arab Ajam rubbish

and

speaking Arab does not make one Arab .. Pakistani Brits ? ?

Arabs only those from Jazira-tol-Arab


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Why did you take my post to be criticism of Iran?
I simply wrote what was going on. But it is no secret that I have no trust of any government in the Middle East.
I also know for a fact that there is a Shia-Sunni divide driven by both sides. What I think of it is irrelevant but it exists and plays a huge factor in shaping events in the Middle East today. And no one supports the Palestinians. They are pretty much on their own. The weapons they have came from Gaddafi's downfall not Iran or Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Through Egypt's Sinai not Mike Merci.

And Azari, I told you before, go ask all those people you say are not Arab if they think so or not. Hell, Syria and Egypt even for a while formed the United Arab Republic. People in that sphere are diluted with so much Arabism that what they were does not hold much water any more. They are Arabs.
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Monster,

Don't have time to respond to your whole post but Queen Ranya, and her brothers, are not very much liked by the Hashemites.
And remember it was the King before this one that slaughtered the Palestinians and not too long ago, there were rumors of stripping Palestinians of their citizenships that promted many to write in the newspapers and such asking the King to say something denying the rumors. Nothing came.
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Thanks for the Jordan Politics update.

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Hans Bulvai wrote:Monster,

Don't have time to respond to your whole post but Queen Ranya, and her brothers, are not very much liked by the Hashemites.
And remember it was the King before this one that slaughtered the Palestinians and not too long ago, there were rumors of stripping Palestinians of their citizenships that promted many to write in the newspapers and such asking the King to say something denying the rumors. Nothing came.
Thank You Very MUCH for your Post, Hans....

Don't Worry about replying........ Understand time problems.........

Thanks for the update on the Queen Ranya and her politics......

Seems that the Hashemites' Austrian Marry Merry Gambit may have failed..... :| :roll:

Had not heard about the Palestinians Potentially losing their citizenship.......

AIUI and I may be out of date....... Jordan is one of the few Arab/ME/Muslim nations that does offer citizenship to Palistinians......

Regarding Black September......... I have read that it not wise to strike the king unless you slay him........

True in Jordan...... Triply so in Syria.....

Best to have Plane E for Evacuation ready.....

The Problem being that Killer Apes sometimes/often bring the problems with them.........

Recalling Muslim Somali Taxi Cab drivers in Uz who refused to take fares who carried alcohol in their luggage.... or dogs.......... even seeing eye dogs.....

On the Other Hand the Syrian Haberdasher named his kids after American Presidents..... Seemed determined to be Uz and NOT Syrian....
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monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

.

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire

why ?

because only idiots would change from one rubbish to another rubbish .. if so, it would mean they believe in the new rubbish after really thinking about it

monster_gardener wrote:.

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone

.
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ? you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ? or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians

what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari,

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in
IMVHO not so...........

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire
I disagree but then I am a Fool........ ;) :|

More seriously how about some Zen-Secular ;) Koans......

Is a Computer Infected with a Virus, a Computer Infected with a Virus?

Is a Mind Infected with a Meme, a Mind Infected with a Meme?
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ?
Do you Mean that after All the Munching/Writing I have done on the Malignant Muslim Meme, you still don't know what I don't like about it???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mostly that unless you are the right type of Muslim, they are under orders to 1. Persuade you to convert or 2. Pay Protection Money & obey the Dhimmi Rules 3. Kill you........

Lot's of other details about this Very Infectious Malicious Control Freak Pirate Meme...........
or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians
See above........

That said some Christians can be worse than some Muslims....... & a Lot of Vis Versa......
you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ?
Think we have discussed the body count before and you blamed the Mongols/Monguls........
what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?
Think we have done this one too...........

Let's rephrase that for clarity........

What isn't in Islam but that is good in Christianity!

Lots but let's stick with the least.......

Booze.....

Not good for everyone........

But really good for others...

Sure helped Abuela become a funny fun person vs. worrying and controlling.......

.

look, Monster

If you count Moguls killing in India as Muslim killing

if so, than

Wiping out North American indigini, wiping out South American indigini, wiping out Australian indigini, wiping out Africans and enslaving them and brining them as slave to America and Caribbean, millions killed in China and Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and India and and and (sorry forgot Hitler +Churchill +Stalin (was actually a priest))

all done by Christians

adding all the above

in your fair opinion .. who killed more ? ?

Christians or Muslims ? ?

and

Arabs stopped forcing others into Islam 1000 yr ago .. not so Christians .. nobody forcing anybody into Islam .. paying protection money is rubbish


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Re: Jordan

Post by Crocus sativus »

Hans Bulvai wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.

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interesting

thought, by now , Hans would be all praise of Iran after ONLY Iran (instead of all Arab brethren) gave Pali the tools to inflict vicious Zionists a bloody nose

but

NO

Hans still @ Shia crescent

come on, Hans, come on

YOU (Arab mass) want 2B somebody ? or not .. YOU (Arab mass) want glory of the past ? or not

Iran helping You (Arab mass) guys escaping new age enslavement, let go of that Arab Ajam rubbish

and

speaking Arab does not make one Arab .. Pakistani Brits ? ?

Arabs only those from Jazira-tol-Arab

.

Why did you take my post to be criticism of Iran?
I simply wrote what was going on. But it is no secret that I have no trust of any government in the Middle East.
I also know for a fact that there is a Shia-Sunni divide driven by both sides. What I think of it is irrelevant but it exists and plays a huge factor in shaping events in the Middle East today. And no one supports the Palestinians. They are pretty much on their own. The weapons they have came from Gaddafi's downfall not Iran or Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Through Egypt's Sinai not Mike Merci.

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Hmmmm .. interesting

you saying Fajr-5 missiles came from Libya ?

.

Quardian : Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology


The commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has publicly admitted that his forces supplied the Islamic militant group Hamas with the knowhow to develop Fajr-5 missiles capable of reaching Tel Aviv.

"We haven't sent any weapons to Gaza because it is under blockade," Mohammad Ali Jafari was quoted as saying by Iran's Young Journalists Club news agency on Wednesday. "But we are honoured to announce that we gave them the technology of how to make Fajr-5 missiles and now they have their hands on plenty of them."

Jafar's remarks are a rare admission by such a high profile regime official that Tehran has supported Hamas militarily.

On Saturday, Hamas claimed to have fired a Fajr-5 missile at Tel Aviv, Israel's second most populous city, but Israel said the rocket was shot down by an anti-missile battery. Iranian officials initially distanced themselves from accusations they were supplying Hamas but now appear to be boasting about their role in enabling Palestinians to build their own Fajr-5 missiles, which have a range of up to 46.6 miles (75km).

Alaeddin Boroujerdi, an influential MP who heads the parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy, had said at the weekend that the accusations were unfounded.

But the Speaker of the Iranian parliament, Ali Larijani, echoed Jafari's comments on Wednesday in saying that Tehran's support for Palestinians had military dimensions.

"We are honoured that our help has material and military aspects, and these Arab countries that sit and hold meetings should know that the nation of Palestine does not need words or meetings," he said, according to quotes carried by the semi-official Fars news agency.

"Our message is that if Arab countries want to help the nation of Palestine they should give military assistance."

It was not clear from Larijani's comment whether Iran had actually smuggled Fajr-5 missiles into the Gaza Strip or if he merely went as far as the commander's remarks.

Meanwhile, Fars, which is affiliated to the Revolutionary Guards, published an article boasting about the capabilities of Fajr-5, which it said "changed the scene of the war between Israel and Palestinians".

"The world class Fajr-5 is a solid fuel, non-fixed wing, 333mm rocket designed and optimised for artillery missions to hit enemy's command and control, logistic, radar, communication, economic and political centres," Fars said. "It is a rocket with 75km range, a payload of 178kg and speed of 1,009 metres per second."

Earlier this year, the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final word on all state matters, said Iran would help any group that fights against the "cancer" of Israel.

"We have intervened in anti-Israel matters, and it brought victory in the 33-day war by Hezbollah against Israel in 2006, and in the 22-day war [between Hamas and Israel in the Gaza Strip]," he said in February.

"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," he said at the time.

On Wednesday, Khamenei also called on the Arab world to help "the oppressed people of Gaza" and intervene for an end to its blockade by Israel.

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Hans , even if those Fajr-5 did come from Libya , even if so, just the fact that Iran says Iran will supply military equipment to Hamas is a game changer

BTW : all top Hamas leaders explicitly tanked Iran



Hans Bulvai wrote:
And Azari, I told you before, go ask all those people you say are not Arab if they think so or not. Hell, Syria and Egypt even for a while formed the United Arab Republic. People in that sphere are diluted with so much Arabism that what they were does not hold much water any more. They are Arabs.

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Arab is an ETHNICITY , like being Indian

Arabs destroyed Syrians and Egyptian civilization and culture, changed language (key to culture) and now those people think they Arab .. but they ain't


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Bloody Balkans Show Muslim Meme Same/Has Mutated For Worse..

Post by monster_gardener »

Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

.

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire

why ?

because only idiots would change from one rubbish to another rubbish .. if so, it would mean they believe in the new rubbish after really thinking about it

monster_gardener wrote:.

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone

.
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ? you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ? or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians

what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari,

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in
IMVHO not so...........

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire
I disagree but then I am a Fool........ ;) :|

More seriously how about some Zen-Secular ;) Koans......

Is a Computer Infected with a Virus, a Computer Infected with a Virus?

Is a Mind Infected with a Meme, a Mind Infected with a Meme?
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ?
Do you Mean that after All the Munching/Writing I have done on the Malignant Muslim Meme, you still don't know what I don't like about it???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mostly that unless you are the right type of Muslim, they are under orders to 1. Persuade you to convert or 2. Pay Protection Money & obey the Dhimmi Rules 3. Kill you........

Lot's of other details about this Very Infectious Malicious Control Freak Pirate Meme...........
or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians
See above........

That said some Christians can be worse than some Muslims....... & a Lot of Vis Versa......
you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ?
Think we have discussed the body count before and you blamed the Mongols/Monguls........
what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?
Think we have done this one too...........

Let's rephrase that for clarity........

What isn't in Islam but that is good in Christianity!

Lots but let's stick with the least.......

Booze.....

Not good for everyone........

But really good for others...

Sure helped Abuela become a funny fun person vs. worrying and controlling.......

.

look, Monster

If you count Moguls killing in India as Muslim killing

if so, than

Wiping out North American indigini, wiping out South American indigini, wiping out Australian indigini, wiping out Africans and enslaving them and brining them as slave to America and Caribbean, millions killed in China and Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and India and and and (sorry forgot Hitler +Churchill +Stalin (was actually a priest))

all done by Christians

adding all the above

in your fair opinion .. who killed more ? ?

Christians or Muslims ? ?

and

Arabs stopped forcing others into Islam 1000 yr ago .. not so Christians .. nobody forcing anybody into Islam .. paying protection money is rubbish


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

I notice that you did not answer the koans.......

in your fair opinion .. who killed more ? ?
Too late tonight for a body count with challenges ;) :twisted:

nobody forcing anybody into Islam ..
Not so.... Happened in the Bloody Balkans quite recently........

With a twist.........

Conversion followed by execution to make sure the "converts" did not go apostate... :shock: :evil:

Shows that the Meme is still actively forcibly infective and that now has instant lysis rather than let the hosts revert..........

Yes I know that Christians acted badly too.......

But still shows what can happen when the Malignant Muslim Meme gets the Upper Hand........ Even now.......
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Re: Bloody Balkans Show Muslim Meme Same/Has Mutated For Wor

Post by Crocus sativus »

monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

.

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire

why ?

because only idiots would change from one rubbish to another rubbish .. if so, it would mean they believe in the new rubbish after really thinking about it

monster_gardener wrote:.

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone

.
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ? you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ? or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians

what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari,

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in
IMVHO not so...........

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire
I disagree but then I am a Fool........ ;) :|

More seriously how about some Zen-Secular ;) Koans......

Is a Computer Infected with a Virus, a Computer Infected with a Virus?

Is a Mind Infected with a Meme, a Mind Infected with a Meme?
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ?
Do you Mean that after All the Munching/Writing I have done on the Malignant Muslim Meme, you still don't know what I don't like about it???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mostly that unless you are the right type of Muslim, they are under orders to 1. Persuade you to convert or 2. Pay Protection Money & obey the Dhimmi Rules 3. Kill you........

Lot's of other details about this Very Infectious Malicious Control Freak Pirate Meme...........
or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians
See above........

That said some Christians can be worse than some Muslims....... & a Lot of Vis Versa......
you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ?
Think we have discussed the body count before and you blamed the Mongols/Monguls........
what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?
Think we have done this one too...........

Let's rephrase that for clarity........

What isn't in Islam but that is good in Christianity!

Lots but let's stick with the least.......

Booze.....

Not good for everyone........

But really good for others...

Sure helped Abuela become a funny fun person vs. worrying and controlling.......

.

look, Monster

If you count Moguls killing in India as Muslim killing

if so, than

Wiping out North American indigini, wiping out South American indigini, wiping out Australian indigini, wiping out Africans and enslaving them and brining them as slave to America and Caribbean, millions killed in China and Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and India and and and (sorry forgot Hitler +Churchill +Stalin (was actually a priest))

all done by Christians

adding all the above

in your fair opinion .. who killed more ? ?

Christians or Muslims ? ?

and

Arabs stopped forcing others into Islam 1000 yr ago .. not so Christians .. nobody forcing anybody into Islam .. paying protection money is rubbish


.


I notice that you did not answer the koans.......

.

sorry, don't know what "koans" refers to ? ?

you mean Koran ? ?

if so, what about it ?

monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:.

nobody forcing anybody into Islam ..

.
Not so.... Happened in the Bloody Balkans quite recently........

With a twist.........

Conversion followed by execution to make sure the "converts" did not go apostate... :shock: :evil:

.


not sure what you complaining,

AFAIK, as usual, Muslims were summarily executed by Christian Serbs, supervised by United Nation Dutch soldiers .. the video was YouTube for long time, am sure you watched it

In Balkan, when the Turks ruled, things were different, but after Turks left, Muslims were the underdogs


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Muslims, Predators & Aliens.......

Post by monster_gardener »

Crocus sativus wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

So Iran is now offering free oil to Jordan for 30 years in return for "economic cooperation" and "religious tourism" .

Funny that not too long ago Jordan was warning of the Shia crescent. Now that they are in deep doo-doo and the Gulf monarchs have turned their backs on them, anything can go. Seems that Jordan is being soldout to be the next home for the Palestinians; with EVERYBODY's approval.

.

interesting

thought, by now , Hans would be all praise of Iran after ONLY Iran (instead of all Arab brethren) gave Pali the tools to inflict vicious Zionists a bloody nose

but

NO

Hans still @ Shia crescent

come on, Hans, come on

YOU (Arab mass) want 2B somebody ? or not .. YOU (Arab mass) want glory of the past ? or not

Iran helping You (Arab mass) guys escaping new age enslavement, let go of that Arab Ajam rubbish

and

speaking Arab does not make one Arab .. Pakistani Brits ? ?

Arabs only those from Jazira-tol-Arab

.

Why did you take my post to be criticism of Iran?
I simply wrote what was going on. But it is no secret that I have no trust of any government in the Middle East.
I also know for a fact that there is a Shia-Sunni divide driven by both sides. What I think of it is irrelevant but it exists and plays a huge factor in shaping events in the Middle East today. And no one supports the Palestinians. They are pretty much on their own. The weapons they have came from Gaddafi's downfall not Iran or Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Through Egypt's Sinai not Mike Merci.

.

Hmmmm .. interesting

you saying Fajr-5 missiles came from Libya ?

.

Quardian : Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology


The commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has publicly admitted that his forces supplied the Islamic militant group Hamas with the knowhow to develop Fajr-5 missiles capable of reaching Tel Aviv.

"We haven't sent any weapons to Gaza because it is under blockade," Mohammad Ali Jafari was quoted as saying by Iran's Young Journalists Club news agency on Wednesday. "But we are honoured to announce that we gave them the technology of how to make Fajr-5 missiles and now they have their hands on plenty of them."

Jafar's remarks are a rare admission by such a high profile regime official that Tehran has supported Hamas militarily.

On Saturday, Hamas claimed to have fired a Fajr-5 missile at Tel Aviv, Israel's second most populous city, but Israel said the rocket was shot down by an anti-missile battery. Iranian officials initially distanced themselves from accusations they were supplying Hamas but now appear to be boasting about their role in enabling Palestinians to build their own Fajr-5 missiles, which have a range of up to 46.6 miles (75km).

Alaeddin Boroujerdi, an influential MP who heads the parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy, had said at the weekend that the accusations were unfounded.

But the Speaker of the Iranian parliament, Ali Larijani, echoed Jafari's comments on Wednesday in saying that Tehran's support for Palestinians had military dimensions.

"We are honoured that our help has material and military aspects, and these Arab countries that sit and hold meetings should know that the nation of Palestine does not need words or meetings," he said, according to quotes carried by the semi-official Fars news agency.

"Our message is that if Arab countries want to help the nation of Palestine they should give military assistance."

It was not clear from Larijani's comment whether Iran had actually smuggled Fajr-5 missiles into the Gaza Strip or if he merely went as far as the commander's remarks.

Meanwhile, Fars, which is affiliated to the Revolutionary Guards, published an article boasting about the capabilities of Fajr-5, which it said "changed the scene of the war between Israel and Palestinians".

"The world class Fajr-5 is a solid fuel, non-fixed wing, 333mm rocket designed and optimised for artillery missions to hit enemy's command and control, logistic, radar, communication, economic and political centres," Fars said. "It is a rocket with 75km range, a payload of 178kg and speed of 1,009 metres per second."

Earlier this year, the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final word on all state matters, said Iran would help any group that fights against the "cancer" of Israel.

"We have intervened in anti-Israel matters, and it brought victory in the 33-day war by Hezbollah against Israel in 2006, and in the 22-day war [between Hamas and Israel in the Gaza Strip]," he said in February.

"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," he said at the time.

On Wednesday, Khamenei also called on the Arab world to help "the oppressed people of Gaza" and intervene for an end to its blockade by Israel.

.

Hans , even if those Fajr-5 did come from Libya , even if so, just the fact that Iran says Iran will supply military equipment to Hamas is a game changer

BTW : all top Hamas leaders explicitly tanked Iran



Hans Bulvai wrote:
And Azari, I told you before, go ask all those people you say are not Arab if they think so or not. Hell, Syria and Egypt even for a while formed the United Arab Republic. People in that sphere are diluted with so much Arabism that what they were does not hold much water any more. They are Arabs.

.

Arab is an ETHNICITY , like being Indian

Arabs destroyed Syrians and Egyptian civilization and culture, changed language (key to culture) and now those people think they Arab .. but they ain't


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
now those people think they Arab .. but they ain't
Perhaps.......

But If it walks, talks, dresses, believes like a Arab and even quacks :wink:........

How much does it always matter?

The Palestinians may be Aegean Greeks.....

Not a joke....... Look up the Philistines in my Post right after Hans' original post for the thread...



Sometimes it does matter some......

Pomegranates being one of the better examples........

Sort of like when an Alien Xenomorph converts ;) :twisted: :o :shock: a Predator.... :shock:

And you end up with a PredAlien / Persian Shia which can be stronger in someways than the original Predator/Alien/Persian/Muslim....... ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28c ... tive_forms

But still an Alien Xenomorph/Muslim......

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Post by monster_gardener »

Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

Adam Gadahn being IMVHO perhaps a good example.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn

.

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire

why ?

because only idiots would change from one rubbish to another rubbish .. if so, it would mean they believe in the new rubbish after really thinking about it

monster_gardener wrote:.

IMVHO Islam largely being an Infectious Meme for Arab Culuture of Mohammed's Day........

Learning Arabic, especially Classical Arabic, so as to be able to further infect oneself with the Malicious Meme would be an indication that this a far gone

.
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ? you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ? or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians

what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari,

look, we did not accept our religion after reflecting deeply about it .. we all are of religion we born in
IMVHO not so...........

anybody converting from one religion to another religion, be it from Christianity to Islam or from Islam to Christianity or Zen Buddhism or Judaism and and, is, either, a charlatan (Blair), a pure pledge durian (Adam Gadahn), real imbecile, or, a lire
I disagree but then I am a Fool........ ;) :|

More seriously how about some Zen-Secular ;) Koans......

Is a Computer Infected with a Virus, a Computer Infected with a Virus?

Is a Mind Infected with a Meme, a Mind Infected with a Meme?
have not yet figured out what is you objection versus Islam ?
Do you Mean that after All the Munching/Writing I have done on the Malignant Muslim Meme, you still don't know what I don't like about it???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mostly that unless you are the right type of Muslim, they are under orders to 1. Persuade you to convert or 2. Pay Protection Money & obey the Dhimmi Rules 3. Kill you........

Lot's of other details about this Very Infectious Malicious Control Freak Pirate Meme...........
or you mean Muslims are worst people than Christians
See above........

That said some Christians can be worse than some Muslims....... & a Lot of Vis Versa......
you mean Muslims have killed more innocent people than Christians have killed ?
Think we have discussed the body count before and you blamed the Mongols/Monguls........
what's so bad in Islam that is good in Christianity, Monster ?
Think we have done this one too...........

Let's rephrase that for clarity........

What isn't in Islam but that is good in Christianity!

Lots but let's stick with the least.......

Booze.....

Not good for everyone........

But really good for others...

Sure helped Abuela become a funny fun person vs. worrying and controlling.......

.

look, Monster

If you count Moguls killing in India as Muslim killing

if so, than

Wiping out North American indigini, wiping out South American indigini, wiping out Australian indigini, wiping out Africans and enslaving them and brining them as slave to America and Caribbean, millions killed in China and Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and India and and and (sorry forgot Hitler +Churchill +Stalin (was actually a priest))

all done by Christians

adding all the above

in your fair opinion .. who killed more ? ?

Christians or Muslims ? ?

and

Arabs stopped forcing others into Islam 1000 yr ago .. not so Christians .. nobody forcing anybody into Islam .. paying protection money is rubbish


.


I notice that you did not answer the koans.......

.

sorry, don't know what "koans" refers to ? ?

you mean Koran ? ?

if so, what about it ?

monster_gardener wrote:
Crocus sativus wrote:.

nobody forcing anybody into Islam ..

.
Not so.... Happened in the Bloody Balkans quite recently........

With a twist.........

Conversion followed by execution to make sure the "converts" did not go apostate... :shock: :evil:

.


not sure what you complaining,

AFAIK, as usual, Muslims were summarily executed by Christian Serbs, supervised by United Nation Dutch soldiers .. the video was YouTube for long time, am sure you watched it

In Balkan, when the Turks ruled, things were different, but after Turks left, Muslims were the underdogs


.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari........

sorry, don't know what "koans" refers to ? ?

you mean Koran ? ?

if so, what about it ?
A koan is a Zen tool/question/riddle which can help guide the mind toward understanding/enlightenment....
More seriously how about some Zen-Secular ;) Koans......

Is a Computer Infected with a Virus, a Computer Infected with a Virus?

Is a Mind Infected with a Meme, a Mind Infected with a Meme?
In this case that a person can be converted/Mind be infected with a Meme
Just as a person can be infected with a virus.......
not sure what you complaining,
Not complaining so much as warning that the Malicious Muslim Meme remains basically the same or worse and will act that way when conditions are favorable for it to act so.........

Muslims were the underdogs
Don't say that too loudly ;) ...... Muslims might take offense at being called dogs....... ;) :twisted: :lol:
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Re: Don't Call Muslim Dogs Unless You Know What Is Koan On :

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monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Muslims were the underdogs

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Don't say that too loudly ;) ...... Muslims might take offense at being called dogs....... ;) :twisted: :lol:


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Iranians follow Cyrus the Persian spirit, school .. we do respect any religion and do not consider anybody dog, pig, cow or otherwise .. respect, tolerance AND acceptance is in Iranian blood .. AND .. we look down to those who act otherwise

facts on the ground shows, Christians, last few 100 yrs, were the real killers, what you call killer-ape

those killer ape you mention are low civilization cultures .. they might drive Mercedes or fly G-V, but they low civilization .. Hitler, Churchill, Kissinger etc good samples, they might be clean shaven and perfumed, but they low cast civilization

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Re: Jordan

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Hans Bulvai wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:The Jordanian monarchy has one rule these days: don't make waves. If they have a popular uprising Arab Spring-style they are going to massacre them with US-made weapons, and that will ruin their reputation as the "modern, progressive" monarchy in the region, so they aren't going to make any sudden moves in either domestic or diplomatic policy.
Too late. A few months ago when the government decided to increase the price of essentials, they were met with protests. These increases were in the form of either taxes (energy; up to 50% increase in taxes) or lowering food subsidies (bread and beans). The king interfered then, cancelled the new law and dismissed the government. Once a new government was elected, the new Prime Minister, Abdullah Nsur, went back to the same ol' policy of raising prices. This time, they seemed unconcerned with what the street thinks. So the people mobilized with a notable difference than ever before. There were chants of "the king must go". This is the first time in Abdullah's rein this has happened. The Petro-Sheiks have abandoned him after promises of aid. The treasury is pretty much broke, corruption rampant; especially among the 'Queen's' brothers' hold on key economic interests in the country. The Hashemite tribe does not like her at all. HE screwed himself by allowing Jordan to be Syria's Pakistan (funneling fighters, weapons and money). Syria responded by small-scale destabilizing operations in Amman (a few weeks ago a ring of Syrian mukhabarat were busted with communication devices, light weapons and such then quietly deported back to Syria). Jordan is in the ringer and the can of worms has been opened. Observers argue that this is the beginning of the end for Jordan as a Hashemite kingdom.
Cool. I'm clearly behind the times in Jordan, exciting stuff. Another monarchy set to topple.

It has the largest concentration of Palestinians of all the Middle Eastern countries so it makes sense to the authors of the new Sykes-Picot to establish it as the replacement homeland while Israel continues to steal land in the West Bank.
They will find that extremely difficult, the Palestinians are very particular about what land they are after.
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Ibrahim wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:The Jordanian monarchy has one rule these days: don't make waves. If they have a popular uprising Arab Spring-style they are going to massacre them with US-made weapons, and that will ruin their reputation as the "modern, progressive" monarchy in the region, so they aren't going to make any sudden moves in either domestic or diplomatic policy.
Too late. A few months ago when the government decided to increase the price of essentials, they were met with protests. These increases were in the form of either taxes (energy; up to 50% increase in taxes) or lowering food subsidies (bread and beans). The king interfered then, cancelled the new law and dismissed the government. Once a new government was elected, the new Prime Minister, Abdullah Nsur, went back to the same ol' policy of raising prices. This time, they seemed unconcerned with what the street thinks. So the people mobilized with a notable difference than ever before. There were chants of "the king must go". This is the first time in Abdullah's rein this has happened. The Petro-Sheiks have abandoned him after promises of aid. The treasury is pretty much broke, corruption rampant; especially among the 'Queen's' brothers' hold on key economic interests in the country. The Hashemite tribe does not like her at all. HE screwed himself by allowing Jordan to be Syria's Pakistan (funneling fighters, weapons and money). Syria responded by small-scale destabilizing operations in Amman (a few weeks ago a ring of Syrian mukhabarat were busted with communication devices, light weapons and such then quietly deported back to Syria). Jordan is in the ringer and the can of worms has been opened. Observers argue that this is the beginning of the end for Jordan as a Hashemite kingdom.
Cool. I'm clearly behind the times in Jordan, exciting stuff. Another monarchy set to topple.

It has the largest concentration of Palestinians of all the Middle Eastern countries so it makes sense to the authors of the new Sykes-Picot to establish it as the replacement homeland while Israel continues to steal land in the West Bank.
They will find that extremely difficult, the Palestinians are very particular about what land they are after.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.......
the Palestinians are very particular about what land they are after.
Some Jews have/had the same problem ;) :twisted: :lol: *

IrreDentalism can get you filled with cavities ;) :twisted: :roll:

OTOH..... Some People Don't...

More interested in Lunar and L-5 Real Estate than an increasingly Holey ;) :twisted: Land.


*But it is better than wanting to conquer the Whole Damned Mappo World by Whatever Means Necessary :twisted: :evil:
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Crocus sativus wrote:.
monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Muslims were the underdogs

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Don't say that too loudly ;) ...... Muslims might take offense at being called dogs....... ;) :twisted: :lol:


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Iranians follow Cyrus the Persian spirit, school .. we do respect any religion and do not consider anybody dog, pig, cow or otherwise .. respect, tolerance AND acceptance is in Iranian blood .. AND .. we look down to those who act otherwise

facts on the ground shows, Christians, last few 100 yrs, were the real killers, what you call killer-ape

those killer ape you mention are low civilization cultures .. they might drive Mercedes or fly G-V, but they low civilization .. Hitler, Churchill, Kissinger etc good samples, they might be clean shaven and perfumed, but they low cast civilization

WWII casualities.jpg

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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.......
or fly G-V, but they low civilization
Perhaps........ Certainly Not High enough ;) ...........

OTOH if they fly Orion, Climb Jacob's Ladder, or Do Solar Sailing so as to Stop Space Rocks and set up Sustainable Colonies in Space, then they are likely VERY HIGH ;) Civilization....

I think the Pomegranates as well as the Israelis & Uz & many others are Up ;) To The Task if they get their minds out of the dirt ;)

Admit you are making nukes..... Mini-nukes for an Orion Project to Set Up Colonies on the Moon and Stop the Next Space Rock.....

Should Really Stir the World Pot........ ;) :twisted: :lol:
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A Zen koan is similar to a Sufi teaching story or a Christian parable.

They are a method for the teacher to evaluate the listener as much as the are a means of imparting analogous wisdom.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:.

A Zen koan is similar to a Sufi teaching story or a Christian parable.

They are a method for the teacher to evaluate the listener as much as the are a means of imparting analogous wisdom.

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Thank you, NH, always good to learn something new (don't know much about those things)

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A kōan (公案?)play /ˈkoʊ.ɑːn/; Chinese: 公案; pinyin: gōng'àn; Korean: 공안 (kong'an); Vietnamese: công án) is a story, dialogue, question, or statement, which is used in Zen-practice to provoke the "great doubt", and test a student's progress in Zen practice
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Nonc Hilaire,

as Iranians respect all religions and people, don't want 2B disrespectful,

but

respectfully,

don't know what to make of Buddhism, Zen or otherwise .. neither of Hinduism .. look at them as not a religion in Iranian (did not say OUR) sense but sort of YOGA (mental aerobic) .. they do not have the elements and ingredients of a "religion" in Iranian sense, yes, they Yoga

European philosopher were exposed to Hinduism and Buddhism, to Japan and China .. did they engaged and include anything east of Persia in the core of their thinking ? ?

NO

why, giant of European (modern) philosophy, Friedrich Hegel, says : "In Persia first arises that light which shines itself and illuminates what's around .. the principle of development begins with the history of Persia; this constitutes therefore the beginning of history"

Am sure Hegel (November 14, 1831) looked at Hindu, Buddhism and and .. but those things have no deeper meaning in Iranians (western) sense, more for Madonna or John Lennon or Jerry Brown crowed and not for heavy thinkers like Hegel


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