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Roger Waters, speaking on behalf of the Russell Tribunal, delivers a very nicely put speech in front of delegates on International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.

Enough is enough !

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Zionist losing day by day .. Only American Joe (still fooled into) holding .. if Joe lets go, Zionist done

Rhubarb, you pretty much @ the limit, don't stretch it further

Monster, you in bed with wrong people, let go of the Ahriman (Zionist), shake hand with AhuraMazda (our beloved Persia) :D



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let's see who has the balls to watch and comment on this


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Crocus sativus wrote:let's see who has the balls to watch and comment on this
I watched . . why bother commenting . . seems everyone here has their minds made up already . . for better or for worse.
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Can Pomegranates Persuade Palis to Put Down Arms Permanently....

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Crocus sativus wrote:.
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Roger Waters, speaking on behalf of the Russell Tribunal, delivers a very nicely put speech in front of delegates on International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.

Enough is enough !

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9DrSPFYXUfQ



Loooove it



Zionist losing day by day .. Only American Joe (still fooled into) holding .. if Joe lets go, Zionist done

Rhubarb, you pretty much @ the limit, don't stretch it further

Monster, you in bed with wrong people, let go of the Ahriman (Zionist), shake hand with AhuraMazda (our beloved Persia) :D



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Thank You Very Much for Your Post, Azari.

Rhubarb, you pretty much @ the limit, don't stretch it further

Monster, you in bed with wrong people, let go of the Ahriman (Zionist), shake hand with AhuraMazda (our beloved Persia) :D
Presuming Rhubarb does that.....

Can the Persian Paladins Persuade the Palestinian Proctologists to Put Down their Pipes Heated to Red Heat?........

Permanently.......... :|

And guns and rockets and knives and clubs etc..........

Permanently.......... :|

Especially AIUI the HamAssers are Looney Sunni MoBros :shock: who claim to hate Persian Paladins worse than they hate Jews :shock: :evil:

The Ceasefire is gonna be VERY Tricky.......

One possible way........ Israelis keep some salted nukes on dead man switch........ If cease fire not work.....

Good bye Middle East/Crazy/Holy Land........ Good Bye Good Part of Northern Hemisphere at least.....

Probably Simpler for .....

For Israelis & Friends to Move to Moon, Mars, Mercury, Asteroids & Beyond with Orion Rockets....

Or.........

To Do Terrible Things as Terrible Things are done to Them......

Unless there is a changing of hearts..........

But IMVHO it is easier for a Chaos Monkey Engineer to devise Machines to Leap ;) from World to World than to Change Chaos Money Nature.....

Not saying Impossible........ ;)

Just a lot Harder........
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monster_gardener wrote:. . they hate Jews . .
But is it that they hate Jews or that they hate Israel. Haven't Jews been living in that country for centuries?
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People there hate jews and israel.
Censorship isn't necessary
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Re: Can Pomegranates Persuade Palis to Put Down Arms Permanently

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Marcus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

. . they hate Jews . .

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But is it that they hate Jews or that they hate Israel. Haven't Jews been living in that country for centuries ?

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Nobody hatres jews, they nice people

But

those Zionist no Jews,

They

neither from Hebrew tribe

nor practice

nor believe

in Judaism

they evil


monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Rhubarb, you pretty much @ the limit, don't stretch it further

Monster, you in bed with wrong people, let go of the Ahriman (Zionist), shake hand with AhuraMazda (our beloved Persia) :D

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Presuming Rhubarb does that.....

Can the Persian Paladins Persuade the Palestinian Proctologists to Put Down their Pipes Heated to Red Heat?........

Permanently.......... :|

And guns and rockets and knives and clubs etc..........

Permanently.......... :|

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seems you saying Zionist chased all those Pali out of their homes, made 10 million Pali refuge, destroyed their livelihood .. and .. let's have now "status quo" peace ? ?

Pali want their home and livelihood back .. and they will

Monster, if, in this day and age, force, genocide wins, if so, than hell would brake lose

As Gandhi correctly said : "Palestine belong to Palestinians and France to French"

there is no other way than European and Russian converts to repent, ask for forgiveness crimes done to Pali, and, ask the landlord, ME people, to give them refuge from you guys .. ME people have big heart and will accommodate them as Ottomans accommodated Rhubarb running away from Spaniards and Iran took care of them last 2600 yrs .. if not, there will be no Israel no matter what


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Marcus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:. . they hate Jews . .
But is it that they hate Jews or that they hate Israel. Haven't Jews been living in that country for centuries?
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Marcus.
Haven't Jews been living in that country for centuries?
Yes.........

And have been getting Pogromed for centuries....

Even in allegedly glorious Andalusia...... Maimonides the Rambam had to flee to Egypt from the latest Muslim nut case to gain power.......

Even in Persia........

Not saying Euros weren't worse....... They usually were.....

But that doesn't make the Muslims good.........

Just less bad.....

And that has changed.......

It used to be that the Jews were despised as cowards as illustrated by this IIRC ~WW1 Turkish Joke.......

DISCLAIMER.... NO OFFENSE is intended to HAL10000..... This is a scholarly effort.......... I did NOT create this joke.......
The Jews in Turkey got caught up in the patriotic fervor and asked to be allowed to fight with their Muslim masters against the Russians........
After some hesitation and deliberation, the request was granted........
But after being issued their uniforms and weapons, the Jews made another request asking that some bodyguards go with them for protection as they had heard that there were bandits and brigands on the road to the front lines... :roll: ;) :lol:
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A major factor in the humiliation that Arabs/Muslims claim to feel may be that Jews who were kicked around by both sides for centuries in the Christian/Muslim conflict kicked the Arabs/Muslim's rear end when Israel was formed.......

Not something you would expect from a people who had largely been slaughtered like sheep by the Germans so recently......

Sort of like a Bully Boy getting Beaten up by a frail Girl....... :shock: :o :shock:


*Actually on second thought, maybe the request does make sense.....

Killing Russian Christians at the command of their Muslim masters would be quite alright.......

Not so sure what would be thought of armed Jews killing Muslim Bandits.......

Unless there were Muslim witnesses that the Jews were doing it at the command of Muslim officers.......


** Yes Egypt was Muslim at the time.

Not all Muslims are equally bad all the time...

Sometimes they are not as bad as some Christians.......

But like the rest of us, their basic state is Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey Killer Apes......
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monster_gardener wrote:.

A major factor in the humiliation that Arabs/Muslims claim to feel may be that Jews who were kicked around by both sides for centuries in the Christian/Muslim conflict kicked the Arabs/Muslim's rear end when Israel was formed .......

Not something you would expect from a people who had largely been slaughtered like sheep by the Germans so recently ......

Sort of like a Bully Boy getting Beaten up by a frail Girl....... :shock: :o :shock:

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Monster, Arabs/Muslims do not feel humiliated by Israel, nor by Jews

Arabs and Muslims feel humiliated by West

Israel is a relative new phenomena and a new element in the long history of West used to humiliate Arabs (and Muslims)

Still today, with Israel having all the nuke, even salted ones, if West washes hands off Israel and move out of ME .. if so .. ME can finish-off Israel in less than a month not leaving a trace of Zionists .. yes, Zionist would use nuclear weapons, but so will Muslims and much more .. Yes, probably 100 million will die, but, when dust settles, there will be no trace of Zionist for next 1000 yrs

So, the ME people, do not feel any humiliation or even animosity against Jews .. as an Iranian General on uTube said, ME people do not consider Israel as opponent, ME people are fighting west, America and Europe .. they talk Israel but mean America .. that is why Iran operating on Islam platform (and not Iranian nationalism platform), to gather the herd against the Satan .. Jews will be part of New Middle East, not so (present mindset of, that imbecile Bolton) America



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Crocus sativus wrote:
Marcus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

. . they hate Jews . .

.
But is it that they hate Jews or that they hate Israel. Haven't Jews been living in that country for centuries ?

.

Nobody hatres jews, they nice people

But

those Zionist no Jews,

They

neither from Hebrew tribe

nor practice

nor believe

in Judaism

they evil


monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Rhubarb, you pretty much @ the limit, don't stretch it further

Monster, you in bed with wrong people, let go of the Ahriman (Zionist), shake hand with AhuraMazda (our beloved Persia) :D

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Presuming Rhubarb does that.....

Can the Persian Paladins Persuade the Palestinian Proctologists to Put Down their Pipes Heated to Red Heat?........

Permanently.......... :|

And guns and rockets and knives and clubs etc..........

Permanently.......... :|

.


seems you saying Zionist chased all those Pali out of their homes, made 10 million Pali refuge, destroyed their livelihood .. and .. let's have now "status quo" peace ? ?

Pali want their home and livelihood back .. and they will

Monster, if, in this day and age, force, genocide wins, if so, than hell would brake lose

As Gandhi correctly said : "Palestine belong to Palestinians and France to French"

there is no other way than European and Russian converts to repent, ask for forgiveness crimes done to Pali, and, ask the landlord, ME people, to give them refuge from you guys .. ME people have big heart and will accommodate them as Ottomans accommodated Rhubarb running away from Spaniards and Iran took care of them last 2600 yrs .. if not, there will be no Israel no matter what


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
seems you saying Zionist chased all those Pali out of their homes, made 10 million Pali refuge, destroyed their livelihood .. and .. let's have now "status quo" peace ?
No.

I was asking if you seriously thought that Israelis and Palestinians Proctologists could live together in Peace under Persian Administration......

Do you?...........

Monster, if, in this day and age, force, genocide wins, if so, than hell would brake lose
You may be right........

On the other hand, Khmer Rouge Cambodia is not so long ago.......

Or Idi Amin Uganda.......

Or the formation of Pakistan......

Or Mao's China

Or East Pakistan becoming Bangla Desh.....

Or Rwanda........

Or the Balkans.......

Or Southern & Western Sudan........
As Gandhi correctly said : "Palestine belong to Palestinians and France to French"
MohandASS :wink: Gandhi was a Consummate Donkey ;) & Twit who also said that the Jews should commit suicide rather than resist the Nazis and should let the Arabs kill them.......

Screw what a DumbAss ;) who says things like that thinks....

will accommodate them as Ottomans accommodated Rhubarb running away from Spaniards
Perhaps but how about how the Ottomans accommodate the Armenians a.k.a the Loyal Millet....... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Iran took care of them last 2600 yrs ..
Which has been not so good since the Ritual Purity Shiite ;) rose to power until the Pahlavis began to put a Muzzle on the mad mullahs :twisted:

Safavid and Qajar dynasties (1502–1925)

During the reign of the Safavids (1502–1794), they proclaimed Shi'a Islam the state religion. This led to a deterioration in their treatment of Persian Jews. Safavids Shi'ism assigns importance to the issues of ritual purity ― tahara. Non-Muslims, including Jews, are deemed to be ritually unclean ― najis. Any physical contact would require Shi'as to undertake ritual purification before doing regular prayers. Thus, Persian rulers, and the general populace, sought to limit physical contact between Muslims and Jews. Jews were excluded from public baths used by Muslims. They were forbidden to go outside during rain or snow, as an "impurity" could be washed from them upon a Muslim.[36]

The reign of Shah Abbas I (1588–1629) was initially benign; Jews prospered throughout Persia and were encouraged to settle in Isfahan, which was made a new capital. Toward the end of his rule, treatment of Jews became more harsh. Shi'a clergy (including a Jewish convert) persuaded the shah to require Jews to wear a distinctive badge on clothing and headgear. In 1656, the shah ordered the expulsion from Isfahan of all Jews because of the common belief of their "impurity". They were forced to convert to Islam. The treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews. People rumored that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret. For whatever reason, the government in 1661 allowed Jews to take up their old religion, but still required them to wear a distinctive patch upon their clothing.[34]

Nadir Shah (1736–1747) allowed Jews to settle in the Shi'ite holy city of Mashhad. However, following his murder many Jews were massacred in Mashhad, and survivors were forcibly converted, in an event known as Allahdad incident. they become known as "Jadid al-Islams" (new converts) and appeared to superficially accept the new religion, but in fact lived their lives as Crypto-Jews. The community permanently left Iran in 1946 and still lives as a tightly knit community in Israel today.[37]

The advent of a Shi'a Qajar dynasty in 1794 brought back the earlier persecutions.
A Jewish gathering celebrates the second anniversary of the Iranian Constitutional Revolution in Tehran.

Lord Curzon described 19th century regional differences in the situation of the Persian Jews: "In Isfahan, where they are said to be 3,700 and where they occupy a relatively better status than elsewhere in Persia, they are not permitted to wear kolah or Persian headdress, to have shops in the bazaar, to build the walls of their houses as high as a Moslem neighbour's, or to ride in the street. In Teheran and Kashan they are also to be found in large numbers and enjoying a fair position. In Shiraz they are very badly off. In Bushire they are prosperous and free from persecution."[38]

The 19th century the colonial powers from Europe began noting numerous forced conversions and massacres, usually generated by Shi'a clergy. In 1830, the Jews of Tabriz were massacred; the same year saw a forcible conversion of the Jews of Shiraz, In addition to the Allahdad incident mentioned above in 1839. European travellers reported that the Jews of Tabriz and Shiraz continued to practice Judaism in secret despite a fear of further persecutions. Famous Iranian-Jewish teachers such as Mullah Daoud Chadi continued to teach and preach Judaism, inspiring Jews throughout the nation. Jews of Barforush, Mazandaran were forcibly converted in 1866. When the French and British ambassadors intervened to allow them to practice their traditional religion, a mob killed 18 Jews of Barforush.[39][40] Perhaps these things happened earlier too, but went unnoticed by the historians.

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews, describing conditions and beliefs that went back to the 16th century:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Pomegranates intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[41]

In 1894 a representative of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, a Jewish humanitarian and educational organization, wrote from Tehran: "…every time that a priest wishes to emerge from obscurity and win a reputation for piety, he preaches war against the Jews".[42]

In 1910, Muslims rumored that the Jews of Shiraz had ritually murdered a Muslim girl. Muslims plundered the whole Jewish quarter. The first to start looting were soldiers sent by the local governor to defend the Jews against the enraged mob. Twelve Jews who tried to defend their property were killed, and many others were injured.[43] Representatives of the Alliance Israélite Universelle recorded numerous instances of persecution and debasement of Persian Jews.[44] In the late 19th – early 20th century, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to the territory of present-day Israel within the Ottoman Empire to escape such persecution.[45]

Driven by these persecutions, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
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Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.

A major factor in the humiliation that Arabs/Muslims claim to feel may be that Jews who were kicked around by both sides for centuries in the Christian/Muslim conflict kicked the Arabs/Muslim's rear end when Israel was formed .......

Not something you would expect from a people who had largely been slaughtered like sheep by the Germans so recently ......

Sort of like a Bully Boy getting Beaten up by a frail Girl....... :shock: :o :shock:

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Monster, Arabs/Muslims do not feel humiliated by Israel, nor by Jews

Arabs and Muslims feel humiliated by West

Israel is a relative new phenomena and a new element in the long history of West used to humiliate Arabs (and Muslims)

Still today, with Israel having all the nuke, even salted ones, if West washes hands off Israel and move out of ME .. if so .. ME can finish-off Israel in less than a month not leaving a trace of Zionists .. yes, Zionist would use nuclear weapons, but so will Muslims and much more .. Yes, probably 100 million will die, but, when dust settles, there will be no trace of Zionist for next 1000 yrs

So, the ME people, do not feel any humiliation or even animosity against Jews .. as an Iranian General on uTube said, ME people do not consider Israel as opponent, ME people are fighting west, America and Europe .. they talk Israel but mean America .. that is why Iran operating on Islam platform (and not Iranian nationalism platform), to gather the herd against the Satan .. Jews will be part of New Middle East, not so (present mindset of, that imbecile Bolton) America



This durian was American UN Ambassador, unbelievable .. a disgrace for America


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
Still today, with Israel having all the nuke, even salted ones, if West washes hands off Israel and move out of ME .. if so .. ME can finish-off Israel in less than a month not leaving a trace of Zionists .. yes, Zionist would use nuclear weapons, but so will Muslims and much more .. Yes, probably 100 million will die, but, when dust settles, there will be no trace of Zionist for next 1000 yrs
IMVVVHO you may be vastly underestimating what a Nuclear War might mean....

Besides the Salted Fallout..... EMP.......... Nuclear Winter ...... Breakdown in World Trade......

If things go Nuke Wrong in the Middle East, I would not be that interested in taking a bet that any posters on this board will survive except maybe.........

Noddy, Caribizene & Planctom.....

And anyone else lucky to be far enough South in the Southern Hemisphere when the bombs go off........

With Friends to take them in during the aftermath.......

And pray there isn't too much of the wrong type of fallout to decay before it gets South.....

I could be wrong.......

I hope I am wrong.....

Notice that I do NOT include myself as a survivor......
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monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

seems you saying Zionist chased all those Pali out of their homes, made 10 million Pali refuge, destroyed their livelihood .. and .. let's have now "status quo" peace ?

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No.

I was asking if you seriously thought that Israelis and Palestinians Proctologists could live together in Peace under Persian Administration ......

Do you ? ...........

.

Never said "under Persian Administration"


Iran, Persia, Iranians, are main pillar of "Greater Middle East" .. has been so since 10,000 years

- Turky in reality Turkish tribes from Uighur to Bosporus, Iran has more Turks than Turkey

- Those calling themselves Arabs, in reality victims of real Arabs (of Arab Peninsula) .. Egypt a north African Nation .. North Africans, Libya, Morocco, Algeria not much in common with real Arabs .. (greater) Syria never was Arab, add to that the European crusaders who stayed in Syria .. Mesopotamia same - all that has lead (so called) Arabs be easy pray for Western evil (colonial) doers

that only leaves Iran to take care of ME interest, to lead for a just settlement of refuge for those European and Russian converts not welcome by you guys

in that sense, it is in Iranian interest to use Iranian wisdom and good relation with both side (the Hebrew tribe and Arab mass) to bring this to a just and happy ending.


monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Monster, if, in this day and age, force, genocide wins, if so, than hell would brake lose

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You may be right........

On the other hand, Khmer Rouge Cambodia is not so long ago.......

Or Idi Amin Uganda .......

Or the formation of Pakistan......

Or East Pakistan becoming Bangla Desh .....

Or Rwanda........

Or the Balkans.......

Or Southern & Western Sudan ........

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interesting you mention the above

- Khmer Rouge was the result of America overthrowing Sihanouk - those bloods are on Kissinger/Nixon hands
- Idi Amin just chased the Brits out + their crony the Indians genuflecting the Africans since Brits brought them in
- Pakistan itself a British conspiracy against India
- all Balkan saga was to wipe out Russian influence (Serbia) so that NATO can move closer to Russia, happened
- Sudan classic OIL play, like Kuwait or Brunei .. as soon as oil was discovered, patrician by west followed


You see, Monster, Ahmadinejat is right when he recently said (in uTube) everywhere where war and killing and genocide, look for western finger in play


monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

As Gandhi correctly said : "Palestine belong to Palestinians and France to French"

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MohandASS :wink: Gandhi was a Consummate Donkey ;) & Twit who also said that the Jews should commit suicide rather than resist the Nazis and should let the Arabs kill them.......

Screw what a DumbAss who says things like that thinks...

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:lol: .. funny .. David Goldman said same thing as you saying when I reminded him of Gandhi ;)

Relaaax, agree, Gandhi, similar to that durian Nelson (Mandela) British special agent to let Brits off the hook .. Brits genuflect India for 350 yrs and the guy (Gandhi) says everybody relaaax .. :lol: :lol: .. issue not Gandhi, issue seems Indians have no balls, still shoeshining Brits .. told you, a weird nation

monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

will accommodate them as Ottomans accommodated Rhubarb running away from Spaniards

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Perhaps but how about how the Ottomans accommodate the Armenians a.k.a the Loyal Millet....... :evil: :evil: :evil:

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look, Monster, Armenians sided with Russians against Turks .. what would Americans do if Arabs in Detroit start fighting America on behalf of Ossama ? ? :lol:

come on, be real, don't bug Ibrahim so much

well, Monster, that is what I was saying to formerly TurkishJew, that ME Jews have sided with ME enemies, a Nestbeschmutzer, when things turn, they nowhere to go.

monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Iran took care of them last 2600 yrs ..

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Which has been not so good since the Ritual Purity Shiite ;) rose to power until the Pahlavis began to put a Muzzle on the mad mullahs :twisted:

Safavid and Qajar dynasties (1502–1925)

During the reign of the Safavids (1502–1794), they proclaimed Shi'a Islam the state religion. This led to a deterioration in their treatment of Persian Jews. Safavids Shi'ism assigns importance to the issues of ritual purity ― tahara. Non-Muslims, including Jews, are deemed to be ritually unclean ― najis. Any physical contact would require Shi'as to undertake ritual purification before doing regular prayers. Thus, Persian rulers, and the general populace, sought to limit physical contact between Muslims and Jews. Jews were excluded from public baths used by Muslims. They were forbidden to go outside during rain or snow, as an "impurity" could be washed from them upon a Muslim.[36]

The reign of Shah Abbas I (1588–1629) was initially benign; Jews prospered throughout Persia and were encouraged to settle in Isfahan, which was made a new capital. Toward the end of his rule, treatment of Jews became more harsh. Shi'a clergy (including a Jewish convert) persuaded the shah to require Jews to wear a distinctive badge on clothing and headgear. In 1656, the shah ordered the expulsion from Isfahan of all Jews because of the common belief of their "impurity". They were forced to convert to Islam. The treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews. People rumored that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret. For whatever reason, the government in 1661 allowed Jews to take up their old religion, but still required them to wear a distinctive patch upon their clothing.[34]

Nadir Shah (1736–1747) allowed Jews to settle in the Shi'ite holy city of Mashhad. However, following his murder many Jews were massacred in Mashhad, and survivors were forcibly converted, in an event known as Allahdad incident. they become known as "Jadid al-Islams" (new converts) and appeared to superficially accept the new religion, but in fact lived their lives as Crypto-Jews. The community permanently left Iran in 1946 and still lives as a tightly knit community in Israel today.[37]

The advent of a Shi'a Qajar dynasty in 1794 brought back the earlier persecutions.
A Jewish gathering celebrates the second anniversary of the Iranian Constitutional Revolution in Tehran.

Lord Curzon described 19th century regional differences in the situation of the Persian Jews: "In Isfahan, where they are said to be 3,700 and where they occupy a relatively better status than elsewhere in Persia, they are not permitted to wear kolah or Persian headdress, to have shops in the bazaar, to build the walls of their houses as high as a Moslem neighbour's, or to ride in the street. In Teheran and Kashan they are also to be found in large numbers and enjoying a fair position. In Shiraz they are very badly off. In Bushire they are prosperous and free from persecution."[38]

The 19th century the colonial powers from Europe began noting numerous forced conversions and massacres, usually generated by Shi'a clergy. In 1830, the Jews of Tabriz were massacred; the same year saw a forcible conversion of the Jews of Shiraz, In addition to the Allahdad incident mentioned above in 1839. European travellers reported that the Jews of Tabriz and Shiraz continued to practice Judaism in secret despite a fear of further persecutions. Famous Iranian-Jewish teachers such as Mullah Daoud Chadi continued to teach and preach Judaism, inspiring Jews throughout the nation. Jews of Barforush, Mazandaran were forcibly converted in 1866. When the French and British ambassadors intervened to allow them to practice their traditional religion, a mob killed 18 Jews of Barforush.[39][40] Perhaps these things happened earlier too, but went unnoticed by the historians.

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews, describing conditions and beliefs that went back to the 16th century:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Pomegranates intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[41]

In 1894 a representative of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, a Jewish humanitarian and educational organization, wrote from Tehran: "…every time that a priest wishes to emerge from obscurity and win a reputation for piety, he preaches war against the Jews".[42]

In 1910, Muslims rumored that the Jews of Shiraz had ritually murdered a Muslim girl. Muslims plundered the whole Jewish quarter. The first to start looting were soldiers sent by the local governor to defend the Jews against the enraged mob. Twelve Jews who tried to defend their property were killed, and many others were injured.[43] Representatives of the Alliance Israélite Universelle recorded numerous instances of persecution and debasement of Persian Jews.[44] In the late 19th – early 20th century, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to the territory of present-day Israel within the Ottoman Empire to escape such persecution.[45]

Driven by these persecutions, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

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Safavid forced Iranian Muslims adapt Shia .. from Sunni to Shia .. Safavis had nothing to do or against Jews or Christians or Zoroastrians .. for Muslims, theologically, Jews and Christians are same .. meaning that WiKi article you posted is Jewish propaganda (invented in Hebrew University Jewish history faculty) .. Armenians and Jews were promoted in Safavid dynasty, Isfahan the capital of Safavid is full of wonderful churches and synagogues, Julfa, the Armenian and Jewish quarter of Isfahan is one of nicest places in Isfahan

Jews had their golden year in Iran .. they were Iranians like any other Iranian .. yes, bad things happened, but it happened to all of Iranians including Jews and Christians and Zoroastrians equally



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Crocus sativus wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

seems you saying Zionist chased all those Pali out of their homes, made 10 million Pali refuge, destroyed their livelihood .. and .. let's have now "status quo" peace ?

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No.

I was asking if you seriously thought that Israelis and Palestinians Proctologists could live together in Peace under Persian Administration ......

Do you ? ...........

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Never said "under Persian Administration"


Iran, Persia, Iranians, are main pillar of "Greater Middle East" .. has been so since 10,000 years

- Turky in reality Turkish tribes from Uighur to Bosporus, Iran has more Turks than Turkey

- Those calling themselves Arabs, in reality victims of real Arabs (of Arab Peninsula) .. Egypt a north African Nation .. North Africans, Libya, Morocco, Algeria not much in common with real Arabs .. (greater) Syria never was Arab, add to that the European crusaders who stayed in Syria .. Mesopotamia same - all that has lead (so called) Arabs be easy pray for Western evil (colonial) doers

that only leaves Iran to take care of ME interest, to lead for a just settlement of refuge for those European and Russian converts not welcome by you guys

in that sense, it is in Iranian interest to use Iranian wisdom and good relation with both side (the Hebrew tribe and Arab mass) to bring this to a just and happy ending.


monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Monster, if, in this day and age, force, genocide wins, if so, than hell would brake lose

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You may be right........

On the other hand, Khmer Rouge Cambodia is not so long ago.......

Or Idi Amin Uganda .......

Or the formation of Pakistan......

Or East Pakistan becoming Bangla Desh .....

Or Rwanda........

Or the Balkans.......

Or Southern & Western Sudan ........

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interesting you mention the above

- Khmer Rouge was the result of America overthrowing Sihanouk - those bloods are on Kissinger/Nixon hands
- Idi Amin just chased the Brits out + their crony the Indians genuflecting the Africans since Brits brought them in
- Pakistan itself a British conspiracy against India
- all Balkan saga was to wipe out Russian influence (Serbia) so that NATO can move closer to Russia, happened
- Sudan classic OIL play, like Kuwait or Brunei .. as soon as oil was discovered, patrician by west followed


You see, Monster, Ahmadinejat is right when he recently said (in uTube) everywhere where war and killing and genocide, look for western finger in play


monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

As Gandhi correctly said : "Palestine belong to Palestinians and France to French"

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MohandASS :wink: Gandhi was a Consummate Donkey ;) & Twit who also said that the Jews should commit suicide rather than resist the Nazis and should let the Arabs kill them.......

Screw what a DumbAss who says things like that thinks...

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:lol: .. funny .. David Goldman said same thing as you saying when I reminded him of Gandhi ;)

Relaaax, agree, Gandhi, similar to that durian Nelson (Mandela) British special agent to let Brits off the hook .. Brits genuflect India for 350 yrs and the guy (Gandhi) says everybody relaaax .. :lol: :lol: .. issue not Gandhi, issue seems Indians have no balls, still shoeshining Brits .. told you, a weird nation

monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

will accommodate them as Ottomans accommodated Rhubarb running away from Spaniards

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Perhaps but how about how the Ottomans accommodate the Armenians a.k.a the Loyal Millet....... :evil: :evil: :evil:

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look, Monster, Armenians sided with Russians against Turks .. what would Americans do if Arabs in Detroit start fighting America on behalf of Ossama ? ? :lol:

come on, be real, don't bug Ibrahim so much

well, Monster, that is what I was saying to formerly TurkishJew, that ME Jews have sided with ME enemies, a Nestbeschmutzer, when things turn, they nowhere to go.

monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.

Iran took care of them last 2600 yrs ..

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Which has been not so good since the Ritual Purity Shiite ;) rose to power until the Pahlavis began to put a Muzzle on the mad mullahs :twisted:

Safavid and Qajar dynasties (1502–1925)

During the reign of the Safavids (1502–1794), they proclaimed Shi'a Islam the state religion. This led to a deterioration in their treatment of Persian Jews. Safavids Shi'ism assigns importance to the issues of ritual purity ― tahara. Non-Muslims, including Jews, are deemed to be ritually unclean ― najis. Any physical contact would require Shi'as to undertake ritual purification before doing regular prayers. Thus, Persian rulers, and the general populace, sought to limit physical contact between Muslims and Jews. Jews were excluded from public baths used by Muslims. They were forbidden to go outside during rain or snow, as an "impurity" could be washed from them upon a Muslim.[36]

The reign of Shah Abbas I (1588–1629) was initially benign; Jews prospered throughout Persia and were encouraged to settle in Isfahan, which was made a new capital. Toward the end of his rule, treatment of Jews became more harsh. Shi'a clergy (including a Jewish convert) persuaded the shah to require Jews to wear a distinctive badge on clothing and headgear. In 1656, the shah ordered the expulsion from Isfahan of all Jews because of the common belief of their "impurity". They were forced to convert to Islam. The treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews. People rumored that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret. For whatever reason, the government in 1661 allowed Jews to take up their old religion, but still required them to wear a distinctive patch upon their clothing.[34]

Nadir Shah (1736–1747) allowed Jews to settle in the Shi'ite holy city of Mashhad. However, following his murder many Jews were massacred in Mashhad, and survivors were forcibly converted, in an event known as Allahdad incident. they become known as "Jadid al-Islams" (new converts) and appeared to superficially accept the new religion, but in fact lived their lives as Crypto-Jews. The community permanently left Iran in 1946 and still lives as a tightly knit community in Israel today.[37]

The advent of a Shi'a Qajar dynasty in 1794 brought back the earlier persecutions.
A Jewish gathering celebrates the second anniversary of the Iranian Constitutional Revolution in Tehran.

Lord Curzon described 19th century regional differences in the situation of the Persian Jews: "In Isfahan, where they are said to be 3,700 and where they occupy a relatively better status than elsewhere in Persia, they are not permitted to wear kolah or Persian headdress, to have shops in the bazaar, to build the walls of their houses as high as a Moslem neighbour's, or to ride in the street. In Teheran and Kashan they are also to be found in large numbers and enjoying a fair position. In Shiraz they are very badly off. In Bushire they are prosperous and free from persecution."[38]

The 19th century the colonial powers from Europe began noting numerous forced conversions and massacres, usually generated by Shi'a clergy. In 1830, the Jews of Tabriz were massacred; the same year saw a forcible conversion of the Jews of Shiraz, In addition to the Allahdad incident mentioned above in 1839. European travellers reported that the Jews of Tabriz and Shiraz continued to practice Judaism in secret despite a fear of further persecutions. Famous Iranian-Jewish teachers such as Mullah Daoud Chadi continued to teach and preach Judaism, inspiring Jews throughout the nation. Jews of Barforush, Mazandaran were forcibly converted in 1866. When the French and British ambassadors intervened to allow them to practice their traditional religion, a mob killed 18 Jews of Barforush.[39][40] Perhaps these things happened earlier too, but went unnoticed by the historians.

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews, describing conditions and beliefs that went back to the 16th century:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Pomegranates intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[41]

In 1894 a representative of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, a Jewish humanitarian and educational organization, wrote from Tehran: "…every time that a priest wishes to emerge from obscurity and win a reputation for piety, he preaches war against the Jews".[42]

In 1910, Muslims rumored that the Jews of Shiraz had ritually murdered a Muslim girl. Muslims plundered the whole Jewish quarter. The first to start looting were soldiers sent by the local governor to defend the Jews against the enraged mob. Twelve Jews who tried to defend their property were killed, and many others were injured.[43] Representatives of the Alliance Israélite Universelle recorded numerous instances of persecution and debasement of Persian Jews.[44] In the late 19th – early 20th century, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to the territory of present-day Israel within the Ottoman Empire to escape such persecution.[45]

Driven by these persecutions, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

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Safavid forced Iranian Muslims adapt Shia .. from Sunni to Shia .. Safavis had nothing to do or against Jews or Christians or Zoroastrians .. for Muslims, theologically, Jews and Christians are same .. meaning that WiKi article you posted is Jewish propaganda (invented in Hebrew University Jewish history faculty) .. Armenians and Jews were promoted in Safavid dynasty, Isfahan the capital of Safavid is full of wonderful churches and synagogues, Julfa, the Armenian and Jewish quarter of Isfahan is one of nicest places in Isfahan

Jews had their golden year in Iran .. they were Iranians like any other Iranian .. yes, bad things happened, but it happened to all of Iranians including Jews and Christians and Zoroastrians equally



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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.
Never said "under Persian Administration"
I did when I asked the question.
that only leaves Iran to take care of ME interest, to lead for a just settlement of refuge for those European and Russian converts not welcome by you guys

in that sense, it is in Iranian interest to use Iranian wisdom and good relation with both side (the Hebrew tribe and Arab mass) to bring this to a just and happy ending.
Again the question, this time in All its Alliterative Awesomeness ;) ......

If there is going to be Peace in a Dizzy Pali-Izzie state,

Are there going to be Persian Peacock Paladin Policemen & Peahen Policewomen Pounding the Palestinian Pavement Preventing Penguins from Pecking Palestinians and Preventing Palestinian Proctologists from Probing the Prostates & Ovaries of the Penguins with Pipes heated to Red Heat while the Persian Paladin Policemen & Policewomen Protect their own Peacock & Peahen Posteriors from the Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Proctologists and the Angry Bird ;) Penguins.........

Or is the Persian Program one of Good Phences ;) making good neighbors........ Phences so good that Rockets can't Reach over them........

I still say better to Move to Moon.....

Brits genuflect India for 350 yrs
How long did the Muslims do it?

Partial Answer: Till the Indians got Sikh ;) of it......... :lol: :lol: :lol:

the guy (Gandhi) says everybody relaaax ..
You keep telling Rhubarb & me to relaaax.... :|

Remember what happened in India when Gandhi the Twit got the Brits to leave.........

Seems that means we should make like a Sikh and Grab our Guns

everywhere where war and killing and genocide, look for western finger in play
And/or a Muslim finger....... Lot's of those..... Even in places that the West never conquered...... What could the problem be? ;) :twisted: :roll:

Or formerly a Commie finger.......

And ALWAYS a Chaos Monkey Killer Ape Finger.......

yes, bad things happened, but it happened to all of Iranians including Jews and Christians and Zoroastrians equally
Somehow I suspect that like the Pigs in Animal Farm, the Shiites were more equal than the Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians.........
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