monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.
seems you saying Zionist chased all those Pali out of their homes, made 10 million Pali refuge, destroyed their livelihood .. and .. let's have now "status quo" peace ?
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I was asking if you seriously thought that Israelis and Palestinians Proctologists could live together in Peace under Persian Administration ......
Do you ? ...........
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Never said "under Persian Administration"
Iran, Persia, Iranians, are main pillar of "Greater Middle East" .. has been so since 10,000 years
- Turky in reality Turkish tribes from Uighur to Bosporus, Iran has more Turks than Turkey
- Those calling themselves Arabs, in reality victims of real Arabs (of Arab Peninsula) .. Egypt a north African Nation .. North Africans, Libya, Morocco, Algeria not much in common with real Arabs .. (greater) Syria never was Arab, add to that the European crusaders who stayed in Syria .. Mesopotamia same - all that has lead (so called) Arabs be easy pray for Western evil (colonial) doers
that only leaves Iran to take care of ME interest, to lead for a just settlement of refuge for those European and Russian converts not welcome by you guys
in that sense, it is in Iranian interest to use Iranian wisdom and good relation with both side (the Hebrew tribe and Arab mass) to bring this to a just and happy ending.
monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.
Monster, if, in this day and age, force, genocide wins, if so, than hell would brake lose
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You may be right........
On the other hand, Khmer Rouge Cambodia is not so long ago.......
Or Idi Amin Uganda .......
Or the formation of Pakistan......
Or East Pakistan becoming Bangla Desh .....
Or Rwanda........
Or the Balkans.......
Or Southern & Western Sudan ........
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interesting you mention the above
- Khmer Rouge was the result of America overthrowing Sihanouk - those bloods are on Kissinger/Nixon hands
- Idi Amin just chased the Brits out + their crony the Indians genuflecting the Africans since Brits brought them in
- Pakistan itself a British conspiracy against India
- all Balkan saga was to wipe out Russian influence (Serbia) so that NATO can move closer to Russia, happened
- Sudan classic OIL play, like Kuwait or Brunei .. as soon as oil was discovered, patrician by west followed
You see, Monster, Ahmadinejat is right when he recently said (in uTube) everywhere where war and killing and genocide, look for western finger in play
monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.
As Gandhi correctly said : "Palestine belong to Palestinians and France to French"
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MohandASS
Gandhi was a Consummate Donkey
& Twit who also said that the Jews should commit suicide rather than resist the Nazis and should let the Arabs kill them.......
Screw what a DumbAss who says things like that thinks...
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.. funny .. David Goldman said same thing as you saying when I reminded him of Gandhi
Relaaax, agree, Gandhi, similar to that durian Nelson (Mandela) British special agent to let Brits off the hook .. Brits genuflect India for 350 yrs and the guy (Gandhi) says everybody relaaax ..
.. issue not Gandhi, issue seems Indians have no balls, still shoeshining Brits .. told you, a weird nation
monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.
will accommodate them as Ottomans accommodated Rhubarb running away from Spaniards
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Perhaps but how about how the Ottomans accommodate the Armenians a.k.a the Loyal Millet.......
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look, Monster, Armenians sided with Russians against Turks .. what would Americans do if Arabs in Detroit start fighting America on behalf of Ossama ? ?
come on, be real, don't bug Ibrahim so much
well, Monster, that is what I was saying to formerly TurkishJew, that ME Jews have sided with ME enemies, a
Nestbeschmutzer, when things turn, they nowhere to go.
monster_gardener wrote:.
Crocus sativus wrote:.
Iran took care of them last 2600 yrs ..
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Which has been not so good since the Ritual Purity Shiite
rose to power until the Pahlavis began to put a Muzzle on the mad mullahs
Safavid and Qajar dynasties (1502–1925)
During the reign of the Safavids (1502–1794), they proclaimed Shi'a Islam the state religion. This led to a deterioration in their treatment of Persian Jews. Safavids Shi'ism assigns importance to the issues of ritual purity ― tahara. Non-Muslims, including Jews, are deemed to be ritually unclean ― najis. Any physical contact would require Shi'as to undertake ritual purification before doing regular prayers. Thus, Persian rulers, and the general populace, sought to limit physical contact between Muslims and Jews. Jews were excluded from public baths used by Muslims. They were forbidden to go outside during rain or snow, as an "impurity" could be washed from them upon a Muslim.[36]
The reign of Shah Abbas I (1588–1629) was initially benign; Jews prospered throughout Persia and were encouraged to settle in Isfahan, which was made a new capital. Toward the end of his rule, treatment of Jews became more harsh. Shi'a clergy (including a Jewish convert) persuaded the shah to require Jews to wear a distinctive badge on clothing and headgear. In 1656, the shah ordered the expulsion from Isfahan of all Jews because of the common belief of their "impurity". They were forced to convert to Islam. The treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews. People rumored that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret. For whatever reason, the government in 1661 allowed Jews to take up their old religion, but still required them to wear a distinctive patch upon their clothing.[34]
Nadir Shah (1736–1747) allowed Jews to settle in the Shi'ite holy city of Mashhad. However, following his murder many Jews were massacred in Mashhad, and survivors were forcibly converted, in an event known as Allahdad incident. they become known as "Jadid al-Islams" (new converts) and appeared to superficially accept the new religion, but in fact lived their lives as Crypto-Jews. The community permanently left Iran in 1946 and still lives as a tightly knit community in Israel today.[37]
The advent of a Shi'a Qajar dynasty in 1794 brought back the earlier persecutions.
A Jewish gathering celebrates the second anniversary of the Iranian Constitutional Revolution in Tehran.
Lord Curzon described 19th century regional differences in the situation of the Persian Jews: "In Isfahan, where they are said to be 3,700 and where they occupy a relatively better status than elsewhere in Persia, they are not permitted to wear kolah or Persian headdress, to have shops in the bazaar, to build the walls of their houses as high as a Moslem neighbour's, or to ride in the street. In Teheran and Kashan they are also to be found in large numbers and enjoying a fair position. In Shiraz they are very badly off. In Bushire they are prosperous and free from persecution."[38]
The 19th century the colonial powers from Europe began noting numerous forced conversions and massacres, usually generated by Shi'a clergy. In 1830, the Jews of Tabriz were massacred; the same year saw a forcible conversion of the Jews of Shiraz, In addition to the Allahdad incident mentioned above in 1839. European travellers reported that the Jews of Tabriz and Shiraz continued to practice Judaism in secret despite a fear of further persecutions. Famous Iranian-Jewish teachers such as Mullah Daoud Chadi continued to teach and preach Judaism, inspiring Jews throughout the nation. Jews of Barforush, Mazandaran were forcibly converted in 1866. When the French and British ambassadors intervened to allow them to practice their traditional religion, a mob killed 18 Jews of Barforush.[39][40] Perhaps these things happened earlier too, but went unnoticed by the historians.
In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews, describing conditions and beliefs that went back to the 16th century:
"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Pomegranates intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[41]
In 1894 a representative of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, a Jewish humanitarian and educational organization, wrote from Tehran: "…every time that a priest wishes to emerge from obscurity and win a reputation for piety, he preaches war against the Jews".[42]
In 1910, Muslims rumored that the Jews of Shiraz had ritually murdered a Muslim girl. Muslims plundered the whole Jewish quarter. The first to start looting were soldiers sent by the local governor to defend the Jews against the enraged mob. Twelve Jews who tried to defend their property were killed, and many others were injured.[43] Representatives of the Alliance Israélite Universelle recorded numerous instances of persecution and debasement of Persian Jews.[44] In the late 19th – early 20th century, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to the territory of present-day Israel within the Ottoman Empire to escape such persecution.[45]
Driven by these persecutions, thousands of Persian Jews emigrated to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
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Safavid forced Iranian Muslims adapt Shia .. from Sunni to Shia .. Safavis had nothing to do or against Jews or Christians or Zoroastrians .. for Muslims, theologically, Jews and Christians are same .. meaning that WiKi article you posted is Jewish propaganda (invented in Hebrew University Jewish history faculty) .. Armenians and Jews were promoted in Safavid dynasty, Isfahan the capital of Safavid is full of wonderful churches and synagogues, Julfa, the Armenian and Jewish quarter of Isfahan is one of nicest places in Isfahan
Jews had their golden year in Iran .. they were Iranians like any other Iranian .. yes, bad things happened, but it happened to all of Iranians including Jews and Christians and Zoroastrians equally
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