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Wahhabis wage war on Indonesian Shi'ites


A campaign against Shi'ite Muslims in Indonesia - from assaults on children to entire villages burned to the ground, and many deaths - fits a long pattern of attacks against minorities. While provocation likely emanates from Saudi Arabian-funded promulgation of Wahhabi Sunni Islam, government indifference stokes feelings of fear and betrayal.



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When speaking of religious hatred, the Heretic is generally even more hated than the Infidel, because he's closer hence more threatening, also because he's perceived as a "treator".

At the times of Christianity's religious war mid-16th to mid-17th century, Catholic and Protestant fanatics probably hated more each other than they hated Jews or Muslims.

Wahabis hate more Shias than they hate Christians (maybe even more than they hate Jews?... would have to check that one, though!)

David Goldman's wet dreams include extended, prolonged and destructive religious warfare between Sunni and Shia.
He would probably rejoice at such information you point to.
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the indonesian millitary and the leadership is more nationalist than wahhabist and being sunni didnt help aceh much.

i would guess that while its just localised village fighting then the sunni's will get more benefit of the doubt than the others, which is bad, but par for the course in all countries... the mainstream is always like that.

this problem is on the radar of the middle class in indonesia and they have proposed more legal protection for minorities - so its wait and see as to how much nationalism trumps theism.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012 ... lence.html
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Alexis wrote:When speaking of religious hatred, the Heretic is generally even more hated than the Infidel, because he's closer hence more threatening, also because he's perceived as a "treator".

At the times of Christianity's religious war mid-16th to mid-17th century, Catholic and Protestant fanatics probably hated more each other than they hated Jews or Muslims.

Wahabis hate more Shias than they hate Christians (maybe even more than they hate Jews?... would have to check that one, though!)

David Goldman's wet dreams include extended, prolonged and destructive religious warfare between Sunni and Shia.
He would probably rejoice at such information you point to.
Interesting that Goldman's greatest future fantasy is a destructive religious "civil war," and his favorite historical conflict is also a destructive religious "civil war" (TYW). Points for consistency, I guess.
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Alexis wrote:When speaking of religious hatred, the Heretic is generally even more hated than the Infidel, because he's closer hence more threatening, also because he's perceived as a "treator".

At the times of Christianity's religious war mid-16th to mid-17th century, Catholic and Protestant fanatics probably hated more each other than they hated Jews or Muslims.

Wahabis hate more Shias than they hate Christians (maybe even more than they hate Jews?... would have to check that one, though!)

David Goldman's wet dreams include extended, prolonged and destructive religious warfare between Sunni and Shia.
He would probably rejoice at such information you point to.
Excellent points. It turns out that Judaism is even closer to Islam than Christianity, and the Hebrew culture is also close to Arab culture (not only the grammar, but many Hebrew words are the same as in Arabic.) The striking similarities between Islam and Judaism, represent a very competitive situation for the Wahabis. For this reason, it is not enough for the Wahabis to fight or even destroy Israel, they also feel that Jews must be simultaneously discredited and made inferior. Killing the Jews is only the second choice for the Wahabis, their first choice is to keep the Jews alive to preserve them as second class citizens. Recall that when a Jewish tribe in Saudi peninsula opposed Mohammed, he was very upset because a monotheistic and very similar culture that is in fact at the foundation of Islam was making trouble. For these reasons, I am sure that the Islamist extremists would be more concerned about Judaism than Christianity.

But on the other hand, depending on how the world geopolitics and economy progress, it is still possible that one day the Shiites in Iran might unite with the Sunnis against the West. (They were united against Crusaders.)

If the world economy collapses in 2014, as Nouriel Roubini worries (his parents are Iranian Jews), then you never know what kind of politics will materialize. A regime change in Saudi Arabia is possible. Then, a few clever and charismatic Sunni and Shiite leaders might get together and make an alliance between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
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HAL 10000 wrote:.
Alexis wrote:.

When speaking of religious hatred, the Heretic is generally even more hated than the Infidel, because he's closer hence more threatening, also because he's perceived as a "treator".

At the times of Christianity's religious war mid-16th to mid-17th century, Catholic and Protestant fanatics probably hated more each other than they hated Jews or Muslims.

Wahabis hate more Shias than they hate Christians (maybe even more than they hate Jews?... would have to check that one, though!)

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David Goldman's wet dreams include extended, prolonged and destructive religious warfare between Sunni and Shia.
He would probably rejoice at such information you point to.

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Excellent points. It turns out that Judaism is even closer to Islam than Christianity, and the Hebrew culture is also close to Arab culture (not only the grammar, but many Hebrew words are the same as in Arabic.) The striking similarities between Islam and Judaism, represent a very competitive situation for the Wahabis. For this reason, it is not enough for the Wahabis to fight or even destroy Israel, they also feel that Jews must be simultaneously discredited and made inferior. Killing the Jews is only the second choice for the Wahabis, their first choice is to keep the Jews alive to preserve them as second class citizens. Recall that when a Jewish tribe in Saudi peninsula opposed Mohammed, he was very upset because a monotheistic and very similar culture that is in fact at the foundation of Islam was making trouble. For these reasons, I am sure that the Islamist extremists would be more concerned about Judaism than Christianity.

But on the other hand, depending on how the world geopolitics and economy progress, it is still possible that one day the Shiites in Iran might unite with the Sunnis against the West. (They were united against Crusaders.)

If the world economy collapses in 2014, as Nouriel Roubini worries (his parents are Iranian Jews), then you never know what kind of politics will materialize. A regime change in Saudi Arabia is possible. Then, a few clever and charismatic Sunni and Shiite leaders might get together and make an alliance between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

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Sunni Islam in reality Judaism-II .. everything in Sunni Islam comes from Judaism .. both are tribal religions (not so Christianity or Shia Islam)

Islam accepts Judaism as 1st Abrahamite religion, followed by, Islam accepts Christianity as 2nd Abrahamite religion

and

Islam considers Islam as the 1st edition of Abrahamite religions

meaning

for (Sunni) Muslims, Moses and Jesus are messenger of same G_D, but Moh is the last messenger of G_D

In that sense Islam conforms entirely with Judaism

Iranian Shia a different thing

Iranian Shia considers Sunni as traitors to Islam, considers all those post Moh Khalifs as criminals .. Iranian Shia has not much in common (in many aspects) with Sunni Islam, pretty much totally different school


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