Ibrahim wrote:Carbizene wrote:Ibrahim wrote:I don't know what you are talking about.
You are aware that somebody with a bruise on their forehead means that abrahamic ideology is so fundamental to their life they are prepared to hurt themselves to prove their loyalty to a invisible entity abraham the child sacrificer spoke to. people that hurt themselves continually are mentally unstable, to suggest otherwise means that oneself is unstable.
I still don't know what you are talking about. I guess you're trying to say that Libya is run by religious extremists, except that the members of the NTC aren't noted extremists, and you aren't specifying who you are talking about.
Are you aware that madrassa means "school?" Anyway it doesn't take a great deal of guts to predict further chaos in Iraq. I fail to see how this makes a continuation of dictatorial regimes preferable.
all right..abrahamite madrassa/school.
Right, so do you know the difference between a school and a training academy for guerrillas?
So you agree with me that taking out Sadam has created untold years of death in Iraq.
we will see after 20 more years of civil war in Iraq what is preferable.
Just to be clear, you are saying here that the continued rule of Saddam Hussein is preferable?
Do you have much experience being involved in civil wars and revolutions?
I can read, next you will be saying I can't say the Holocaust was bad because I wasn't there or that Custer picked the wrong gun because I wasn't actually there.
You brought up your experience, I didn't.
Which country are you claiming this is happening in? You said Syria initially, but we've corrected that. Where else do you think this is happening?
err .. no you haven't. i was talking about arms being brought in to Syria from Turkey as supported by the BBC report, as for where else this is happening, any war with NGF's (non governmental forces) gets their arms from private dealers...where do you think they get them from..under the Christmas tree?
I told
you who the opposition forces in Syria were (after you asked, after you claimed they were "Wahhabis"), and that they were being supplied by Turkey. Openly and through official channels in point of fact, so shady arms dealers don't have anything to do with it.
So in your mind dictators we know were not democratic and committed documented abuses were superior to whatever followed them because, you are certain, the new regimes will be as bad or worse anyway? And that this is somehow tied to terrorism in your mind, hence your invocation of "OLB" and "Caliphate?" That is to say that the options are limited to Arabs ruled by dictators or Arabs being terrorists, with you preferring dictators.
Of course i don't like dictators, but the process by which they are removed has to come from within and be fully supported by other nations, not enforced by other nations.
There was overwhelming support for the overthrow of Mubarak, Gaddafi, and Ben Ali, and there appears to be substantial opposition to Assad (who is openly shelling civilians), so I don't understand what your objection is.
look at the way the UZ still supported Mubarak with billions of dollars even while there was people on the street, it has in no way threatened to withdraw those billions
Actually the US President and Secretary of State openly stated in numerous speeches that Mubarak should step down (which he did).
if a proper electoral process is not set up,
Again, do you dispute the validity of the Egyptian elections? International observes didn't.
giving time for a diverse opposition to develop, which there wasn't in Egypt.
Why does it matter if there was not a diverse opposition in Egypt? Are you claiming that countries must remain under the rule of dictators until they have political parties that you approve of? There were many parties in the Egyptian election, and a clear winner in an open vote.
Instead the UZ slotted right in with the fundamentalists (i need a laugh..tell me the brotherhood ain't fundies) and the arms keep flowing.
Actually
military aid was suspended over human rights concerns, and is only now going to be resumed now that legitimate elections have been held, so you have your facts wrong here.
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Det ... 0329001164
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will open the way to resuming $1.3 billion in annual military aid to Egypt that had been suspended over human rights concerns.
“Tomorrow, Secretary Clinton will certify that Egypt is meeting its obligations under its peace treaty with Israel,” a senior State Department official said in an email on Thursday.
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The official stressed that “on the democracy side, Egypt has made more progress in 16 months than in the last 60 years,” highlighting free and fair parliamentary elections as well as the transfer of legislative authority to the new people‘s assembly.
Aid during the uprising was devoted to encouraging a democratic transition, and maintaining services during the economic disruption.
http://www.usaid.gov/locations/middle_e ... ies/egypt/
In the wake of the historic revolution in January 2011, USAID also provided direct support to non-governmental organizations and the private sector to support Egypt's economic and political transition. Two-thirds of awardees are local organizations, and 40 percent are new partners. The economic support program provided $100 million in grants to support job creation, humanitarian assistance, and poverty alleviation for those negatively affected by the recent economic downturn. The democratic support program provided $65 million for democratic development, including support for Egypt's historic elections, civic awareness, and protection of human rights.
Ironically not totally disimilar to slotting in with OBL to fight the Soviets to keep the arms flowing, seems the UZ will suck any vagina to keep the arms flowing and the abrahamic war alive.
OBL wanted a Caliphate, simple as that, just as the fundy new Abrahamites who follow an old Abrahamite called jesus want the world to be under them, they all suffer from the same mental illness.
This is incoherent and not based on any known facts.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.
Perhaps I can help you with understanding some of this.
Going to try to do one subject at a time though I may digress briefly
Will make the sacrifice of not using my beloved lovely emoticons............ Would that we had more.........
And damping down overt humor though you may find some dry examples in the text of this short and hopefully coherent lecture .....
No guarantees, I am a Monstrous Monster Gardener Fool...........
Note: Not promising to do any further lectures after this but not promising not to do so either..........
NOTE: Carbizene is invited to correct any statements I made concerning him. My apologies in advance for any inaccuracies or presumption.
For Ibrahim: Understanding Muslim Prayer Bruises/Scars and Infidels
Ibrahim wrote:Carbizene wrote:Ibrahim wrote:I don't know what you are talking about.
You are aware that somebody with a bruise on their forehead means that abrahamic ideology is so fundamental to their life they are prepared to hurt themselves to prove their loyalty to a invisible entity abraham the child sacrificer spoke to. people that hurt themselves continually are mentally unstable, to suggest otherwise means that oneself is unstable.
I still don't know what you are talking about. I guess you're trying to say that Libya is run by religious extremists, except that the members of the NTC aren't noted extremists, and you aren't specifying who you are talking about.
1. Carbizene is referring to the "Prayer Bruise" or "Prayer Scar" that is produced when especially "devout"/fanatic Muslims bash their heads on hard surfaces as part of Muslim prayers...
2. The official name for such a prayer scar is "zabiba/zebiba/zebibah ("raisin" in Arabic).........
a. In photographs, a prayer scar can appear to be a "hole in the head" which can occasion derisive humor from Infidels like me............
3. The current most famous owner of a prayer scar is Ayman al-Zawahiri who is the head Al Queda, the most infamous Salafi Jihadist terrorist organization in the world which has caused massive loss of life and property both directly by flying manned cruise missiles packed with infidel hostages into occupied commercial and governmental buildings on Sept. 11, 2001 and indirectly by thus provoking said infidels into a war in which many Muslims have died about which you frequently complain.......... Also sundry other terrorists attacks by Al Qued before and since 911.
a. This is a MAJOR factor in causing sporting a prayer scar on your forehead to have an effect on Infidels like Carbizene and I, similar to the effect seeing a Nazi Swastikas & SS tattoos on a German head would have for a Jew or people friendly to Jews ......I feel it too......
b. At best seeing a prayer scar/bruise produces a feeling of EXTREME wariness.......... Is this man/woman, a religious fanatic nut case well advanced on his or her way to beating his or her brains out for Allah or at least into a subdural hematoma?.........
4. So when Carbizene or I see ME/Arab revolutionaries sporting prayer scars/bruises, we wonder if bad as the current leader of the country in the throes of revolution is, if things are going to get even worse if prayer scar sporting Zawahiri clones get in power.
a. Given the history of the ME, IMVHO, this is NOT an unreasonable fear...... things often go from bad to worse... Shah to Khomenei........ the late King of Afgahanisant to the Soviets to the vile Taliban/Al Queda..........
b. This fear is NOT allayed when we see Western leaders calling for such overthrows...... We have grave doubts our Western "leaders", both their competence as with the example of Bush W. and/or their motives (the leaders of Britain and France)......
Hoping that this has been of use........
Resources below
A prayer bump or prayer scar, also known as a zabiba/zebiba/zebibah ("raisin" in Arabic), is a mark on the forehead of a Muslim, apparently due to the friction generated from the contact of the forehead with the prayer mat. Islam generally requires its adherents to pray five times a day (known as salah), which involves kneeling on a prayer mat and touching the ground with one's forehead. When done for extended periods of time, a prayer bump may develop. Some Muslims may consider the presence of a prayer bump to be a sign of religious dedication and piety.[1] Some Muslims also believe that on the day of judgement, this bump will particularly fluoresce an immense white light.[2]
The prayer bump can take the form of a discolouration of the skin, caused by repeated chafing and the build-up of callus. In extreme cases, the callus can be thick enough to create a real bump that protrudes from the forehead. They may also develop due to frequent prayer on hard surfaces such as stone floors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_scar
Worrisome news from Egypt.........
A practising Muslim's forehead is meant to touch the ground at least 34 times a day - in symbolic submission to God's will - which could add up to more than a million prostrations in a lifetime.
The relentless rise of political Islam over the past few decades has succeed in rolling back significant parts of Egypt's secular tradition
But over the past few decades, as more and more Egyptians turned to religion, the zebiba began appearing among young men as the veil did among young women.
But not every Muslim gets one, and opinions vary as to where it comes from. It could something to do with skin-type, or created artificially, or come from particular kinds of matting. Others believe it is a gift from God.
Many young Egyptians I asked believe some kind of light will emanate from the prayer mark on their foreheads on the Day of Judgment, marking them out as truly devout.
One of Egypt's greatest living and most popular poets, Abdelrahman al-Abnoudi, has another explanation - in times of crises people turn either to drugs or to religion.
Egyptians have always been religious, he adds, but since being religious has also become fashionable, people now press their foreheads against the ground a little harder to acquire the appearance of a devout Muslim.
Dalia Ziada of the American Islamic Congress - an non-governmental organisation based in Cairo - says some men deliberately pray on straw mats, and rub their foreheads until they eventually develop the zebiba.
"I was driving home one evening and had to stop next to a girls' school. Suddenly the girls - all of whom were veiled - surrounded the car and start banging on the windows and screaming: 'Infidel! Apostate!' I was terrified."
Dr Sayyed al-Qimni, one of Egypt's best known liberal writers and historians, says society has been hijacked by a very conservative brand of religion, which he characterises as Saudi Wahhabi Islam.
"There are now 13,000 religious schools [in Egypt] that produce terrorists, like the Taliban madrassas in Pakistan. At religious schools they teach children that Muslims who do not pray should be killed."
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7469221.stm
Note: You seemed to dismiss Madrassas as just being "schools" in your post.... see above...... Schools that teach what? Peace? Agriculture and Mining?
Or maybe hate and murder as bad as you accuse Infidels of.........
Care to reconsider??????
I often do.......
Or would you like to see Egyptian Madrassas teach Religious Policemen wannabes how to harass patrons of beauty salons and barber shops and the populace in general...
Sigh.......
This has happened here before........... St. Cyril and the vile Nitrian monks vs. that pagan natural philosopher lady Hypatia..........
Hard to resist wishing Hypatia had had a baker's dozen of hand grenades and used them effectively on the "monks" or a bodyguard with an fully loaded AK47 riding shotgun in her chariot....... Things might have been different ............. and a better timeline...........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia#Death
NOTE: You are right, Ibrahim......... Sometimes I do have violent views/visions....... but not just about murderous Muslim miscreants..... also their Christian counterparts... both past (Alexandria) and possibly present and future.... "Scary Gary" North and the Handmaid R'US types....... There are others........
Probably a sin/or karmic obscuration at least......... Need to work on it........... *
Not sure that blogging here always helps but talking with Azari has prompted me to push for peace with Persia even though I wonder if I am taking a big risk both for myself and my Israeli friends........
*Am more of a more of a Pigsy than a Tripitaka......Probably a Pigsy ..... maybe a Monkey but probably not.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Bajie
Note: A better photo of infamous Zawahiri and his infamous prayer bump......
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