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Post by AzariLoveIran »

Ibrahim wrote:.

The issue here is Syria. Turkey opposes the Assad regime, like all sane people in the world do. Iran wants stability in Syria to maintain their line of supply to their client terrorist organization, Hezbollah.

If Turkey acts directly against Assad Iran won't do anything but complain. They have enough problems at the moment.

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Why is Turkey opposing Assad ? ?

Assad is secular, westernize, his wife investement banker in London and and and

What does Turkey want ?

and

Saudi Wahhabi Mafia, Persian Golf Monkey calling themselves Amirs, Israel , NATO want Assad gone

Islamist want Assad out, but not the Arab mass

Turkey making big mistake siding with evil

Iranian knew Neo-Ottoman policy in play

As said B4, Overwhelming majority of Syrians want Assad .. majority is fighting the Islamist

and

could lead to disintegration of Turkey

don't forget, Syria 5000+ yrs old

Constantinople, yes, but not so Turkey

could be a trap, Ibrahim

a mistake Ibrahim, a mistake

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Re: Turkey

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AzariLoveIran wrote:
Why is Turkey opposing Assad ? ?

Assad is secular, westernize, his wife investement banker in London and and and
and a mass murderer.


What does Turkey want ?
A democratic Syria.

could lead to disintegration of Turkey
Nah.


don't forget, Syria 5000+ yrs old
Syria will still be there, minus Assad.
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Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Why is Turkey opposing Assad ? ?

Assad is secular, westernize, his wife investement banker in London and and and

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and a mass murderer.

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Mass murderer ? ?

Does Assad kill more or Saudi rulers ? ? Is Assad more viscose or Saudi ? ?

Is Assad more legit or Bahraini British appointed Amir ? or Qatar or Dubai or UAE ? ?

Come on, Ibrahim

Assad kills Islamist that America arrest and sends them over, same as Qaddafi and Mubarak did (and Jordan does)

Why is Turkey siding with Saudi and Bahraini and Qatari and and and those shitheads

they on the way out , their people will hang them on street poles

Turkey doing the dirty work for NATO/West

Feels good for the moment, but will be catastrophic in the long run

ME people awakening and watching, they no idiots

That is why Turkey had no success in central Asia

Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.
What does Turkey want ?
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A democratic Syria.

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Was Qaddafi Libya more democratic or present Islamist Libya ? ?

1st thing the Islamist did in Libya, B4 anything, they cancelled the woman's right & family laws that Qaddafi had introduced and proclaimed effective immediately 4 wife legit :lol:

Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

could lead to disintegration of Turkey

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Nah.

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Have Turks integrated in Germany ?

No

Why not

because Germans and European do not consider Turks one of them

Have Iranians integrated, assimilated in Germany and Norway and Sweden and and and

Yes

why ?

Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

don't forget, Syria 5000+ yrs old

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Syria will still be there, minus Assad.

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you misunderstand

overwhelming majority of Syrian people want Assad

and now

you, doing NATO/West dirty work, overthrow, with military force (even invading Syria), a ruler that most Syrians want

similar to when CIA overthrow Mossadegh

Syrian people no idiots

they will consider Turkey an enemy of Syrian people for generations

and

will boomerang

Ibrahim ,

" Always follow what the overwhelming majority wants " .. if change needed , educated the majority change is for their benefit and let them change things themselves

That is what Iran doing

Iran did not invade Egypt to overthrow Mubarak (he was dady of all anti Iran fools)

People of Egypt looked @ Iran, and overthrow Mubarak

Ibrahim

Your, or NATO, or West counterpart is not Iran .. your counterpart is Syrian People , Libyan people, Egyptian people, Arabia's people and and and .. you dealing with them

Iran will lean back, laugh, and watch things unfold

Turkey chose the wrong path

again


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Re: Turkey

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AzariLoveIran wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Why is Turkey opposing Assad ? ?

Assad is secular, westernize, his wife investement banker in London and and and

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and a mass murderer.

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Mass murderer ? ?

Does Assad kill more or Saudi rulers ? ? Is Assad more viscose or Saudi ? ?

All we can say for sure is that Assad is actively shelling Syrian cities right now, and tens of thousands of Syrians are trying to flee into Turkey or towards Turkish-protected refugee camps on the border. Many of these people are women and children, and they are fleeing because they don't want to be murdered by Assad's forces.

What is your explanation for this? Why do you defend this abject filth?






Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.
What does Turkey want ?
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A democratic Syria.

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Was Qaddafi Libya more democratic or present Islamist Libya ? ?
More. There is more public support for the new regime than for Gaddafi. Which is not exactly hard.
1st thing the Islamist did in Libya, B4 anything, they cancelled the woman's right & family laws that Qaddafi had introduced and proclaimed effective immediately 4 wife legit
Regardless of whether or not I agree with things like this, it doesn't mean it's undemocratic per se. If the majority of Libyans want some kind of traditionalist tribal or religious legal system why is it any of my business? Why would you support Gaddafi murdering and torturing his own citizens to prevent it?


Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

could lead to disintegration of Turkey

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Nah.

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Have Turks integrated in Germany ?
What does this have to do with your baseless claim that Turkey might disintegrate as a result of opposing the Assad regime? (Nothing.)


Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

don't forget, Syria 5000+ yrs old

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Syria will still be there, minus Assad.

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you misunderstand

overwhelming majority of Syrian people want Assad
Not the ones he's trying to kill.



Syrian people no idiots

they will consider Turkey an enemy of Syrian people for generations
Not the thousands upon thousands fleeing to Turkish protection from Assad's killers.



You aren't accepting reality at all. When you make false claims about Assad's regime and ignore its obvious crimes you lose all credibility.
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Ibrahim wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Why is Turkey opposing Assad ? ?

Assad is secular, westernize, his wife investement banker in London and and and

.
and a mass murderer.

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Mass murderer ? ?

Does Assad kill more or Saudi rulers ? ? Is Assad more viscose or Saudi ? ?

All we can say for sure is that Assad is actively shelling Syrian cities right now, and tens of thousands of Syrians are trying to flee into Turkey or towards Turkish-protected refugee camps on the border. Many of these people are women and children, and they are fleeing because they don't want to be murdered by Assad's forces.

What is your explanation for this? Why do you defend this abject filth?






Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.
What does Turkey want ?
.
A democratic Syria.

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Was Qaddafi Libya more democratic or present Islamist Libya ? ?
More. There is more public support for the new regime than for Gaddafi. Which is not exactly hard.
1st thing the Islamist did in Libya, B4 anything, they cancelled the woman's right & family laws that Qaddafi had introduced and proclaimed effective immediately 4 wife legit
Regardless of whether or not I agree with things like this, it doesn't mean it's undemocratic per se. If the majority of Libyans want some kind of traditionalist tribal or religious legal system why is it any of my business? Why would you support Gaddafi murdering and torturing his own citizens to prevent it?


Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

could lead to disintegration of Turkey

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Nah.

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Have Turks integrated in Germany ?
What does this have to do with your baseless claim that Turkey might disintegrate as a result of opposing the Assad regime? (Nothing.)


Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

don't forget, Syria 5000+ yrs old

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Syria will still be there, minus Assad.

.

you misunderstand

overwhelming majority of Syrian people want Assad
Not the ones he's trying to kill.



Syrian people no idiots

they will consider Turkey an enemy of Syrian people for generations
Not the thousands upon thousands fleeing to Turkish protection from Assad's killers.



You aren't accepting reality at all. When you make false claims about Assad's regime and ignore its obvious crimes you lose all credibility.

.

Ibrahim ,

Everywhere, not only in Syria or Turkey or Middle East or America or China or Russia

it is easy to instigate " civil war "

one could arm certain factions in Turkey and have civil war .. west is trying to instigate civil war in Iran last 33 years .. in Uighur CIA is trying to instigate a civil war against Chinese and and and

In any country, there are unhappy factions .. in Libya, the BerBers were unhappy

so

Ibrahim

In Syria, West, with Turkish hand, trying to ferment a civil war

same thing could happen many places

If overwhelming majority of Syrians were unhappy with Assad, there could be "general strike" .. paralyzing Syria, the economy and everything else stand still .. like Iran of Shah

but

the majority of Syrians are fighting back, means the majority is with Assad

if there was no foreign support for the Wahhabi faction, Assad would have wrapped up things long ago

Yes, lots will flee to Turkey, a disaster

but Turkey has caused it

Turkey & Assad were friends year ago .. same as Turkey was selling itself as a friend to Iran

but

West/NATO fooled Turkey

and

suddenly Turkey changed to Middle Eastern antagonist

basically, Turkey, now, an enemy of Middle Eastern people craving freedom from colonial beasts

Good sample is what you saying : If Libyans want Islamism, that is democracy :)

Were Libyans asked whether they want Islamist ? ?

if they wanted Islamism, why NATO needed to bomb Libya and send so many military to destroy Libyan military ? ?

If Libyans were craving for Islamism, they could have overthrown Qaddafi same as Iranians overthrow Shah

Turkey making big mistake


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Re: Turkey

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Vague, baseless nonsense, Azari. Engaging you is often pointless in this way.
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Ibrahim wrote:.

Vague, baseless nonsense, Azari. Engaging you is often pointless in this way.

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this no debate between 2 posters

everybody reading this

and

am sure they will make their own judgement who's right and who wrong


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It is easy enough to instigate civil war in a country, there are enough arms floating around this planet to support a hundred such conflicts, see 'Lord of War' for a perfect telling. A compliant media is perfect tool to project whatever force one wants.
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Carbizene wrote:It is easy enough to instigate civil war in a country, there are enough arms floating around this planet to support a hundred such conflicts, see 'Lord of War' for a perfect telling. A compliant media is perfect tool to project whatever force one wants.
So are you making about point about Syria or Iran or Turkey or what? And how does media "project force?" And what Syrian rebels have received foreign arms? Most of the fighting is being done by Syrian military who turned against the regime due to its abuses.
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AzariLoveIran wrote:
the majority of Syrians are fighting back, means the majority is with Assad

if there was no foreign support for the Wahhabi faction, Assad would have wrapped up things long ago
I didn't know it is the Wahhabists in Syria, ironic that the ideology that instigate 9/11 is now recieving western support..on top of the house of Saud, just shows the bullshit flows up hill.

West/NATO fooled Turkey

and

suddenly Turkey changed to Middle Eastern antagonist
I guess Turkey is siding with the biggest arms dealers not realising that quite soon a large section of their product may well become obsolete.
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Ibrahim wrote:
Carbizene wrote:It is easy enough to instigate civil war in a country, there are enough arms floating around this planet to support a hundred such conflicts, see 'Lord of War' for a perfect telling. A compliant media is perfect tool to project whatever force one wants.
So are you making about point about Syria or Iran or Turkey or what? And how does media "project force?" And what Syrian rebels have received foreign arms? Most of the fighting is being done by Syrian military who turned against the regime due to its abuses.
I'm making a point about Syria, arm the Wahhabists via the methodology outlined in 'Lord of War' and then use a compliant media to project them as freedom fighters which is in effect a force projection, as it is supporting the use of force by non-national forces to achieve one's goals.

As for sections of Syrian military doing most of the fighting, so what, they are Wahhabists...refer to previous post on the gravity defying nature of bullshit.

As for foreign arms, they don't exactly advertise, which is the point of the Lords of war.

ALI's point about no general strike is GSM (game set match).
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Carbizene wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
Carbizene wrote:It is easy enough to instigate civil war in a country, there are enough arms floating around this planet to support a hundred such conflicts, see 'Lord of War' for a perfect telling. A compliant media is perfect tool to project whatever force one wants.
So are you making about point about Syria or Iran or Turkey or what? And how does media "project force?" And what Syrian rebels have received foreign arms? Most of the fighting is being done by Syrian military who turned against the regime due to its abuses.
I'm making a point about Syria, arm the Wahhabists
What Wahhabists?


As for sections of Syrian military doing most of the fighting, so what, they are Wahhabists

...refer to previous post on the gravity defying nature of bullshit.
I don't understand what you are saying.


As for foreign arms, they don't exactly advertise, which is the point of the Lords of war.
I saw the movie years ago, but I'm unclear how it relates to the Syrian situation. The FSA units retained their equipment and raid existing Syrian Army supply depots. Gun running isn't really a factor in Syrian now, like it was in Libya previously.
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Re: Turkey

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Carbizene wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:
West/NATO fooled Turkey

and

suddenly Turkey changed to Middle Eastern antagonist
I guess Turkey is siding with the biggest arms dealers not realising that quite soon a large section of their product may well become obsolete.

Turkey is protecting Syrian refugees and criticizing the mass killing of civilians.
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Ibrahim wrote: What Wahhabists?
ALI pointed out the NG forces are Wahhabists

I don't understand what you are saying.
The west is crying foul about Assad fighting Wahabists when it invaded Afghanistan and kills many civilians to get a Wahhabist...hence deserving of the bs call



I saw the movie years ago, but I'm unclear how it relates to the Syrian situation. The FSA units retained their equipment and raid existing Syrian Army supply depots. Gun running isn't really a factor in Syrian now, like it was in Libya previously.
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Carbizene wrote:
Ibrahim wrote: What Wahhabists?
ALI pointed out the NG forces are Wahhabists
And Azari's claim is patently false.
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who are they then?
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Carbizene wrote:who are they then?

A mixture of people. Primarily former Armed Forces disgusted with the Assad regime's crackdown on dissent. Then there are urban and more educated pro-democracy protesters, and the more rural, less educated conservative Muslims (including some Islamists) who want democracy because they think its the best way to implement their program of social conservatism. But this latter group, while perhaps in some cases similar to Wahhabists, and not actually Wahhabists. The most extreme of them would bear more similarity to the Muslim Brotherhood.

But to label the entire group any kind of extremist is fraudulent, and to label them Wahhabist is also inaccurate.
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Fair enough. Look at the score card so far, Egypt has been turned over to the Muslim brotherhood backed by the Army, Libya has been turned over to some guys with bruises on their foreheads, Iraq to Al Sadr, Bahrain to the house of Saud.

As for Gun runners, from the BBC:
Desperately short of weapons, they hope that pro-Assad forces will eventually be distracted by uprisings elsewhere in Syria, and pull back enough to allow the opposition to re-take some of their original positions, and re-open supply lines from Turkey
So it would seem there is a general trend for the rise of the fundies on the back of western arms supply, good way for the arms dealers to keep the pot boiling for years more sales... all sold to western civilians with a nice scent..is one way of looking at it.
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Carbizene wrote:Fair enough. Look at the score card so far, Egypt has been turned over to the Muslim brotherhood backed by the Army,
Actually they are at odds, but the MB did win the popular vote. Does that count for anything?

Libya has been turned over to some guys with bruises on their foreheads,


Not sure who you mean, the NTC doesn't have bruises on their foreheads, but much is uncertain in Libya.

Iraq to Al Sadr,
Al Sadr runs a neighborhood in Baghdad, not the nation of Iraq.


Bahrain to the house of Saud.
The uprising in Bahrain was quashed with Iranian support, it is not run by the Saudis.


As for Gun runners, from the BBC:
Desperately short of weapons, they hope that pro-Assad forces will eventually be distracted by uprisings elsewhere in Syria, and pull back enough to allow the opposition to re-take some of their original positions, and re-open supply lines from Turkey
Not sure how this relates to gun runners as seen in the film Lord of War. If Turkey wants to give the FSA fuel, food, water, and ammunition I personally don't have a problem with that.


So it would seem there is a general trend for the rise of the fundies on the back of western arms supply, good way for the arms dealers to keep the pot boiling for years more sales... all sold to western civilians with a nice scent..is one way of looking at it.
If you support dictatorships and don't think Arabs are fit to govern themselves then yes, this is a great way to look at it.
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Ibrahim wrote:
Actually they are at odds, but the MB did win the popular vote. Does that count for anything?
it says they were more organised and the election was rushed through to ensure their success, as for them being at odds with the army, they are probably just arguing over the profits from the billion the UZ gives.
Not sure who you mean, the NTC doesn't have bruises on their foreheads, but much is uncertain in Libya.
I saw them early on in the uprising, before they realised it was bad pr.
Al Sadr runs a neighborhood in Baghdad, not the nation of Iraq.
for now.
The uprising in Bahrain was quashed with Iranian support, it is not run by the Saudis.
rofl..now you just making lavender up...let me guess they were iranian backed saud tanks rolling into Bahrain to protect the fifth fleet
Not sure how this relates to gun runners as seen in the film Lord of War. If Turkey wants to give the FSA fuel, food, water, and ammunition I personally don't have a problem with that.
nice dance around the word 'arms'
If you support dictatorships and don't think Arabs are fit to govern themselves then yes, this is a great way to look at it.
like Sadam huh? all this stems from the destabilising attack on Iraq, dooming the ME to a hundred more years of medieval bs...throw out the rule of any law and the fundies win.
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Should the New Boss of Syria & more be a Turk?

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Ibrahim wrote:
Carbizene wrote:who are they then?

A mixture of people. Primarily former Armed Forces disgusted with the Assad regime's crackdown on dissent. Then there are urban and more educated pro-democracy protesters, and the more rural, less educated conservative Muslims (including some Islamists) who want democracy because they think its the best way to implement their program of social conservatism. But this latter group, while perhaps in some cases similar to Wahhabists, and not actually Wahhabists. The most extreme of them would bear more similarity to the Muslim Brotherhood.

But to label the entire group any kind of extremist is fraudulent, and to label them Wahhabist is also inaccurate.
Thank You Very Much for Your Post, Ibrahim.

What happens when this coalition ejects Assad?

Who gets to be the New Boss........... maybe worse than the Old Boss.......

The Wahab/MB types? .............

Just how NOT similar are they to the Religious Police in KSA and the Religious Police Wannabes in Egypt............?

So far I am supporting Assad because IMVHO he MAY be better than the fiasco we/Us :roll: created for non-Muslims in Iraq :( with refugees now in Syria.. This despite the fact that Assad is a pain in the Assad :wink: for my friends in Israel..... But it's getting to be a close thing........

AIUI Spenglers and friends (EllenS) would love to see Assad gone and have someone ride the chaos tiger....... to queer Iran's pitch..........

Was reading at AT :wink: (not- Spengler) that the main reason Turkey is against Assad is the fear that if things get out of hand, the Kurds may get their Way ;) which would be :evil: :twisted: :evil: for Turkey.... Need to post the link...........

OR Is Turkey planning on taking over Syria............ ?

Or making protectorates out of it..... Revived Ottoman Empire of a sort?

I'm not necessarily opposed to that if the non Muslim death toll is lower......... Including Alawites... they did give refuge to the Christians.......

AIUI Turkey could be a new boss better than the old boss......... Better than MB/KSA/Afghan Religious Police...... Shouldn't take much effort at all......

Depending on details....... Wouldn't like to see the old fashioned way of collecting jiyza used........ Or the Armenia button pushed.......

Think Azari aims at an Iranian satrap version of this............. but he aims long term at least to get the Euro Jews to leave..... maybe more........
Of course that could be changed in negotiations................. Israel as ally instead of satrapy............

Might be better to have Israel remain as is/Turkish ally and have the Gaza at least, and maybe the West Bank be Turkish protectorates.......

I could be wrong....... This is a Crazy Eddie idea........ :shock: ;) :lol: :shock:
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Ibrahim wrote:.
Carbizene wrote:.

who are they then ?

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A mixture of people. Primarily former Armed Forces disgusted with the Assad regime's crackdown on dissent. Then there are urban and more educated pro-democracy protesters, and the more rural, less educated conservative Muslims (including some Islamists) who want democracy because they think its the best way to implement their program of social conservatism. But this latter group, while perhaps in some cases similar to Wahhabists, and not actually Wahhabists. The most extreme of them would bear more similarity to the Muslim Brotherhood.

But to label the entire group any kind of extremist is fraudulent, and to label them Wahhabist is also inaccurate.

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Islamist exist in all sector of society, in economy, in military

facts is

Saudi (wahhabi) and NATO (West) are arming the Islamist and some factions that are not happy with Assad policy of secularism and anti colonialism and Arab sovereignty

Military is doing all the fighting against the terrorist .. so, the military is in tact

Why are Brits, French, America, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE etc etc against Assad, arming the terrorists ? ?

Are French, Brits, America, Israel , Saudi, Qatar wishing democracy for Syrian people

Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Bahrain etc etc had never an election in their history and now are complaining Syria no democracy ? ?

Come on, Ibrahim

Middle Eastern people do not care about France, Brits, Israel, Qatar, Saudi and and and

but

what about Turkey ? ?

what example does Turkey want to set for ME people and what is for Turkey the model for " New Middle East" ?

Islamism, Wahhabism, like Saudi Arabia .. or Amirates like all those shithead Persian Golf monkey Amirs ? ?

Ibrahim,

Turkey was head of Islam, Khalifa, for 500 yrs

and ? ?

Islam died on Turkey's watch .. Christianity reformed to modernity when Sultans were genuflecting the Georgian & Armenians & Ukrainian girls in Harem .. demise of Arab Middle East (Ottoman subjects for 500 yrs) was by Turkish hand .. Turkey kept Arab speaking ME in dark ages .. where Arabs are today is directly because of Turkey .. not only that, you forgot episodes like Lebanese famine when Turks (retreating from Arabia) emptied the grain silos causing widespread hunger and death

That is a black mark on Turkey

but

Now

Turkey has to change to savior of Arab world .. to make things good again

NO

Turkey now siding with Saudi Arabia, Israel, Qatar, France, England, NATO

This will fail

not because of Iran

but because of Arab mass

Arabs do not want Wahhabi (Saudi) or neo'colonialism

Ibrahim , you on the losing side

Ibrahim

Turkey, because of 500 yrs of Ottoman, has a moral duty to lead, help, Arab world into modernity, reform and and and

Do Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi (Wahhabism), Qatar, UAE, Sarko, Brits want modernity for Arab speakers ? ?

Is new Libya (that Turkey was instrumental for it's creation) what Turkey is envisioning for Arab speaking world

Turkey want to ensure cheap Oil supply and European entry .. that is why Turkey is betraying Arabs and Middle East

Short term this might pay out for Turkey

but , down the road, this can lead to destruction of Turkey .. don't forget, Kamal Pasha definition of "Turkishness" still shaky .


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Re: Should the New Boss of Syria & more be a Turk?

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monster_gardener wrote:.

Was reading at AT :wink: (not- Spengler) that the main reason Turkey is against Assad is the fear that if things get out of hand, the Kurds may get their Way ;) which would be :evil: :twisted: :evil: for Turkey.... Need to post the link...........

OR Is Turkey planning on taking over Syria............ ?

Or making protectorates out of it..... Revived Ottoman Empire of a sort?

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"Prime Minister Erdogan’s meeting with US President Barack Obama in South Korea and his [Erdogan’s] remark that their views towards Syria are completely identical shows that the preparation for the occupation [of Syria] and the plot for disintegration of Syria have become mature,” Devlet Bahceli, the leader of Turkey’s Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), one of the major parties in the Turkish parliament, said in his weekly address to his party in Ankara on Tuesday.

"Just like the territorial integrity of Iraq was not preserved, Syria faces the risk of a similar destiny. The establishment of a Kurdish government similar to that of northern Iraq and a kind of Peshmerga (Kurdish military) this time in Syria, seems inevitable,” Bahceli added.

The MHP has repeatedly warned against any foreign intervention in Syria.
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http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1922881

http://aleppous.com/2011/12/devlet-bahc ... ing-syria/



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Re: Turkey

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Carbizene wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:
Actually they are at odds, but the MB did win the popular vote. Does that count for anything?
it says they were more organised and the election was rushed through to ensure their success, as for them being at odds with the army, they are probably just arguing over the profits from the billion the UZ gives.
So then you reject the Egyptian election results?

Not sure who you mean, the NTC doesn't have bruises on their foreheads, but much is uncertain in Libya.
I saw them early on in the uprising, before they realised it was bad pr.
I don't know who or what you are referring to.


Al Sadr runs a neighborhood in Baghdad, not the nation of Iraq.
for now.
So your theory is that he will take over the country shortly?

The uprising in Bahrain was quashed with Iranian support, it is not run by the Saudis.
rofl..now you just making lavender up...let me guess they were iranian backed saud tanks rolling into Bahrain to protect the fifth fleet
I was referring to Iran suspending support of Shia and various SCIRI-trained elements of the uprising. Iran formerly claimed Bahrain as a province, and has been active there for 50 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain#Dr ... nian_claim

In either case, the Saudis do not "run "Bahrain."


Anyway nice of you to laugh at me for "making things up" when in fact you don't even know about what I'm referring to, and you took Azari's unsubstantiated statements on Syria as Gospel, and are repeatedly citing a Nickolas Cage movie as supporting evidence.

Not sure how this relates to gun runners as seen in the film Lord of War. If Turkey wants to give the FSA fuel, food, water, and ammunition I personally don't have a problem with that.
nice dance around the word 'arms'
Still don't see what this has to do with your movie.



If you support dictatorships and don't think Arabs are fit to govern themselves then yes, this is a great way to look at it.
like Sadam huh? all this stems from the destabilising attack on Iraq, dooming the ME to a hundred more years of medieval bs...throw out the rule of any law and the fundies win.
What exactly is your claim here? That dictatorial regimes respected the "rule of law?" That the deposition of dictators is a bad thing? That there is some legal/democratic formula in e.g. Egypt that would somehow eliminate all religious conservatism from politics?

What exactly are you suggesting (beyond your fondness for Lord of War)?
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Ibrahim wrote: I don't know who or what you are referring to.
I am refering to bruises on foreheads being the sign of a fundie and running the show.
So your theory is that he will take over the country shortly?
Iraq is in civil war as seen by the car bombings, how it turns out will be anybody's guess, but one thing is for sure it won't be a liberal democracy, arts students aren't as good street fighters as Madrassa honed fundies.

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In either case, the Saudis do not "run "Bahrain."
In my experience he who owns the tanks on the street owns the joint
Still don't see what this has to do with your movie.
The point of the 'Lord of war' referrence is that uprisings are armed by NGO's with the under the table support of G's.
What exactly are you suggesting (beyond your fondness for Lord of War)?
A favourite saying of mine is 'fighting for peace is like genuflecting for virginity', the invasion of Iraq has not diminished the 'bad' in Iraq, only fragmented it, making it harder to counter. The rise of the Muslim brotherhood is just another dictatorship, as once they gain the numbers they do away with elections, so all western meddling has done is instigate the rise of a medieval dictatorship, a nice boost for the Caliphate, OBL would be proud. good one. still the arms dealers would be happy, nothing like a boost to the crusades for sales.
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