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Re: Iraq

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:55 pm

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Re: Iraq

Postby Doc » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:54 am

NBC Weapons: Wikileaks And The Great Saddam WMD Scam
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July 17, 2014: Wikileaks documents continue to surface. Some of the latest ones cover the Iraqi chemical weapons program after 1991. In particular these documents deal with the evidence of chemical weapons U.S. troops found in Iraq after 2003. This is all part of an ongoing, largely ideological, media battle over exactly what happened to Iraqi chemical weapons after 1991. Up until early 2003, the conventional wisdom was that Saddam had chemical weapons, and just would not give them up. Some thought Saddam’s strategy was dumb. All he had to do was let the UN inspectors do their job and get Iraqi out from under the embargo. All Saddam had to do was destroy all his chemical weapons and proved to the UN. He could easily reconstitute his chemical weapons later.

What no one brought up was what Saddam was actually doing. He was pretending to have chemical weapons in order to keep the Iranians at bay. Horrendous casualties from Iraqi chemical weapons had forced the Iranians to end the 1980s war in an ignominious (for the Iranians) draw. In 2003 the Iranians still wanted Saddam's head on a pike, and Saddam saw his imaginary chemical weapons as a primary defense against Iranian attack.

This deception was not revealed until after Saddam was out of power and some of his key aides could talk. Saddam kept the real situation (no real chemical weapons programs) secret even from most of his closest aides and military commanders. Saddam trusted very few people. His deception worked, but got him killed anyway because the scheme backfired. Because the rest of the world (especially the United States) believed Saddam still had chemical weapons program and some of those weapons were liable to be given to al Qaeda (which Saddam was in contact with). After September 11, 2001 Saddam seemed like the only leader in the region crazy enough to continue supporting al Qaeda. Officially al Qaeda wanted Saddam gone but in reality Saddam had something of an understanding with al Qaeda (as did many Moslem government.) Saddam would let al Qaeda men quietly travel through Iraq and use Iraq as a hideout as long as there were no active operations against Saddam. Iraq had arrangements like this with many terror groups even though both sides knew that eventually these ceasefires would have to be broken. The U.S. also knew that Saddam was publicly calling for terror attacks on the United States and hailing the 911 attacks as a great victory for Moslems.

Between the time of his capture (December 2003) and execution three years later Saddam was interrogated extensively about the 39 years he ruled Iraq and especially about his WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) programs. He freely admitted his chemical weapons deception but by then many in the West were obsessed with the idea that the United States had invented the myth of an Iraqi chemical weapons program to justify the invasion of Iraq. Actually, Saddam invented that myth and most intel analysts, journalists and just about everyone else believed it until 2003. This is a matter of public record. When the post 2003 search for the chemical weapons program came up empty many pundits and journalists seized on the idea that there was a secret conspiracy involved and that the CIA and other intelligence agencies must have known about the Saddam scam. There has never been any proof of this conspiracy, but it has attracted many believers.

Meanwhile the Wikileaks documents clearly show there were still a lot of chemical weapons in Iraq in 2003 and Saddam’s plan to rebuild his chemical weapons capabilities as soon as the UN embargo was gone were clear and easy for Iraq to accomplish. What is lost in all this conspiracy talk was that Iraq still has the capability to rebuild its chemical weapons arsenal and manufacturing capability. While most of the key technical people were Sunni Arabs (and thus unlikely to work for the current Shia government), that expertise can be hired, as can the specialists needed to run the chemical plants that are quite legal until they are tweaked to produce deadly chemical weapons instead of useful and quite beneficial chemicals. For some reason that never became a headline grabbing story.
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Re: Iraq

Postby HAL 10000 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:29 pm

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Iraqi Christians flee after Isis issue Mosul ultimatum
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The Islamist militant group Isis has told Christians in Mosul to convert to Islam as Jiyar Gol reports.

Iraqi Christians are fleeing Mosul after Islamist militants threatened to kill them unless they converted to Islam or paid a "protection tax".

A statement issued by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) was read out at the city's mosques.

It called on Christians to comply by midday on Saturday or face death if they did not leave the northern city.

Isis has control of large parts of Syria and Iraq and said last month it was creating an Islamic caliphate.

The ultimatum cited a historic contract known as "dhimma," under which non-Muslims in Islamic societies who refuse to convert are offered protection if they pay a fee, called a "jizya".

"We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract - involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword," the Isis statement said.

Iraqi Christians pray at a church outside the city of Mosul after fleeing violence - 1 July 2014
The Islamist militant group Isis has told Christians in Mosul to convert to Islam, pay a tax or be killed
Isis fighters hold their flag aloft after taking control of an army checkpoint in the north of the country - 11 June 2014
Isis has declared the creation of an Islamic state in the parts of Syria and Iraq that is controls
Iraqi women pray at a church outside the northern city of Mosul - 1 July 2014
A senior Christian cleric said the Islamist militants had been seen tagging Christian houses in the city
"Christian families are on their way to Dohuk and Irbil," in the neighbouring autonomous region of Kurdistan, Patriarch Louis Sako told the AFP news agency.

"For the first time in the history of Iraq, Mosul is now empty of Christians," he said.

The patriarch, one of the most senior Christian clerics in Iraq, said militants had been seen tagging Christian houses with the letter N for "Nassarah", a term used for Christians in the Koran.

Community destroyed
Iraq is home to one of the world's most ancient Christian communities but its population has dwindled amid growing sectarian violence since the US-led invasion in 2003.

Prior to 2003, the number of Christians in the city had been as high as 60,000, but that had dropped to about 35,000 by June this year, Mr Sako said.

He said another 10,000 fled Mosul after Isis took control at the beginning of June and numbers dropped have fallen rapidly since.

Isis issued a similar ultimatum in the Syrian city of Raqqa in February, calling on Christians to pay about half an ounce (14g) of pure gold in exchange for their safety.

Map showing areas under ISIS operational control
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Struggle for Iraq
Isis rebels in Raqqa, Syria'Jihadistan'
The BBC's Frank Gardner asks whether Isis - the small but fanatical jihadist army - can rule the large tracts of Syria and Iraq it has conquered.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Doc » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:34 pm

HAL 10000 wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28381455

Iraqi Christians flee after Isis issue Mosul ultimatum
Jump media playerMedia player helpOut of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue.
The Islamist militant group Isis has told Christians in Mosul to convert to Islam as Jiyar Gol reports.

Iraqi Christians are fleeing Mosul after Islamist militants threatened to kill them unless they converted to Islam or paid a "protection tax".

A statement issued by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) was read out at the city's mosques.

It called on Christians to comply by midday on Saturday or face death if they did not leave the northern city.

Isis has control of large parts of Syria and Iraq and said last month it was creating an Islamic caliphate.

The ultimatum cited a historic contract known as "dhimma," under which non-Muslims in Islamic societies who refuse to convert are offered protection if they pay a fee, called a "jizya".

"We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract - involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword," the Isis statement said.

Iraqi Christians pray at a church outside the city of Mosul after fleeing violence - 1 July 2014
The Islamist militant group Isis has told Christians in Mosul to convert to Islam, pay a tax or be killed
Isis fighters hold their flag aloft after taking control of an army checkpoint in the north of the country - 11 June 2014
Isis has declared the creation of an Islamic state in the parts of Syria and Iraq that is controls
Iraqi women pray at a church outside the northern city of Mosul - 1 July 2014
A senior Christian cleric said the Islamist militants had been seen tagging Christian houses in the city
"Christian families are on their way to Dohuk and Irbil," in the neighbouring autonomous region of Kurdistan, Patriarch Louis Sako told the AFP news agency.

"For the first time in the history of Iraq, Mosul is now empty of Christians," he said.

The patriarch, one of the most senior Christian clerics in Iraq, said militants had been seen tagging Christian houses with the letter N for "Nassarah", a term used for Christians in the Koran.

Community destroyed
Iraq is home to one of the world's most ancient Christian communities but its population has dwindled amid growing sectarian violence since the US-led invasion in 2003.

Prior to 2003, the number of Christians in the city had been as high as 60,000, but that had dropped to about 35,000 by June this year, Mr Sako said.

He said another 10,000 fled Mosul after Isis took control at the beginning of June and numbers dropped have fallen rapidly since.

Isis issued a similar ultimatum in the Syrian city of Raqqa in February, calling on Christians to pay about half an ounce (14g) of pure gold in exchange for their safety.

Map showing areas under ISIS operational control
More on This Story
Struggle for Iraq
Isis rebels in Raqqa, Syria'Jihadistan'
The BBC's Frank Gardner asks whether Isis - the small but fanatical jihadist army - can rule the large tracts of Syria and Iraq it has conquered.


Glad to see the Islamic extremists are so into multiculturalism. :roll:
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Re: Iraq

Postby Doc » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:38 am

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ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:22 am

Doc wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/isis-militants-order-iraqi-females-undergo-genital-mutilation-n163871

ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.


This is a trial custom of Eastern Africa and not Islamic at all. This kind of fear propaganda is one more reason to doubt ISIS is actually Islamic.
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Evil Islamic Standard Operationg Procedure....

Postby monster_gardener » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:44 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/isis-militants-order-iraqi-females-undergo-genital-mutilation-n163871

ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.


This is a trial custom of Eastern Africa and not Islamic at all. This kind of fear propaganda is one more reason to doubt ISIS is actually Islamic.


Thank You Very Much for your post, Nonc Hilaire,

Maybe so..... Even though it seems too often to have become an ingrained part of evil traditional/Jihadi Islamic culture maybe like praying to the Virgin Mary & Saints is in some Christian Cultures ;) :twisted: *

But persecuting the Iraqi Christians by requiring them to convert, pay fines, leave or die is both VERY Islamic** and VERY Evil..... Evil Islamic Standard Operating Procedure where they have the power & will to do it as they too often traditionally have had.......


*Provoking this comparison: Would you rather say 10 Hail Marys or have a clitorectomy ;) :twisted: :roll:

**Ghazali, that alleged St. Thomas Aquinas of the Islamic World and twit who contended that Allah is a control freak on steroids puppet master who personally causes every fire in the world to happen promulgated this sort of crap in its worse than Mafia extortion fullness.....
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Re: Iraq

Postby Doc » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:06 am

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/isis-militants-order-iraqi-females-undergo-genital-mutilation-n163871

ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.


This is a trial custom of Eastern Africa and not Islamic at all. This kind of fear propaganda is one more reason to doubt ISIS is actually Islamic.


Information about the prevalence of FGM has been collected since 1989 in a series of Demographic and Health Surveys and Multiple Indicator Cluster Surveys funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). In 2013 UNICEF published a report based on 70 of these surveys, indicating that FGM is concentrated in 27 African countries, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan, and that 125 million women and girls in those countries have been affected.[66]

ISIS has close ties to Yemen.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:30 am

Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/isis-militants-order-iraqi-females-undergo-genital-mutilation-n163871

ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.


This is a trial custom of Eastern Africa and not Islamic at all. This kind of fear propaganda is one more reason to doubt ISIS is actually Islamic.


Information about the prevalence of FGM has been collected since 1989 in a series of Demographic and Health Surveys and Multiple Indicator Cluster Surveys funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). In 2013 UNICEF published a report based on 70 of these surveys, indicating that FGM is concentrated in 27 African countries, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan, and that 125 million women and girls in those countries have been affected.[66]

ISIS has close ties to Yemen.

Imagine that. All African people don't live in Africa. Some live in Yemen and Kurdistan.

And these 27 African countries are all Islamic?
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:44 am

Such a pity that "the real Islam" is a book that hardly anyone reads, or reads and then disagrees what it is all about. Maybe better to just call it impotent highly questionable poetry from the 7th century that functions more like a Rorschach test. It shows that most people are suggestible, unstable, closed minded and can be easily scared into the weirdest forms of behavior.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Doc » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:09 am

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/isis-militants-order-iraqi-females-undergo-genital-mutilation-n163871

ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.


This is a trial custom of Eastern Africa and not Islamic at all. This kind of fear propaganda is one more reason to doubt ISIS is actually Islamic.


Information about the prevalence of FGM has been collected since 1989 in a series of Demographic and Health Surveys and Multiple Indicator Cluster Surveys funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). In 2013 UNICEF published a report based on 70 of these surveys, indicating that FGM is concentrated in 27 African countries, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan, and that 125 million women and girls in those countries have been affected.[66]

ISIS has close ties to Yemen.

Imagine that. All African people don't live in Africa. Some live in Yemen and Kurdistan.

And these 27 African countries are all Islamic?



I have no idea Nonc.Just pointing out that non african muslim countries do it
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:Imagine that. All African people don't live in Africa. Some live in Yemen and Kurdistan.

And these 27 African countries are all Islamic?


I have no idea Nonc.Just pointing out that non african muslim countries do it


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Re: Iraq

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:21 pm

Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/isis-militants-order-iraqi-females-undergo-genital-mutilation-n163871

ISIS Militants Order Iraqi Females to Undergo Genital Mutilation

The United Nations, expressing deep concern, said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation. But doubts emerged on social media about the basis for the report. One document posted on Twitter suggested it may be a year old and have been issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, the group's previous name. Other Internet comments, including from Middle East analysts, questioned whether the order fit with the cultural traditions of the region.A U.N. spokesman in Geneva said that they were seeking clarity and trying to establish the facts.

Such a "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil. "We have current reports of imposition of a directive that all female girl children and women up to the age of 49 must be circumcised. This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," Badcock said. There was no immediate comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.


This is a trial custom of Eastern Africa and not Islamic at all. This kind of fear propaganda is one more reason to doubt ISIS is actually Islamic.


Information about the prevalence of FGM has been collected since 1989 in a series of Demographic and Health Surveys and Multiple Indicator Cluster Surveys funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). In 2013 UNICEF published a report based on 70 of these surveys, indicating that FGM is concentrated in 27 African countries, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan, and that 125 million women and girls in those countries have been affected.[66]

ISIS has close ties to Yemen.

Imagine that. All African people don't live in Africa. Some live in Yemen and Kurdistan.

And these 27 African countries are all Islamic?



I have no idea Nonc. Just pointing out that non african muslim countries do it

It's the culture, not the country. There expat NE. African subcultures worldwide who do this. It happens in the US and europe too. The UN study simply points out where these subcultures are most prevalent.

This statement about forced female genital mutilation stands with some other non-Islamic statements from ISIL. They say are going to mutilate women, they will not oppose Israel, they will not support Palestine and they will continue to execute Muslims who do not support them. They are deliberately trying to alienate the entire world. But why?
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:59 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:This statement about forced female genital mutilation stands with some other non-Islamic statements from ISIL. They say are going to mutilate women, they will not oppose Israel, they will not support Palestine ...[..]


Opposing Israel and supporting the Palestinians... are Islamic statements? :?
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Re: Iraq

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:49 pm

Parodite wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:This statement about forced female genital mutilation stands with some other non-Islamic statements from ISIL. They say are going to mutilate women, they will not oppose Israel, they will not support Palestine ...[..]


Opposing Israel and supporting the Palestinians... are Islamic statements? :?

Yes, but not exclusively Islamic statements. This weekend Jewish protests in Tel Aviv, NY and London showed many Jews and others oppose the current Israeli government and support a free Palestine.

Genital mutilation appears to be done by families upon their own daughters. I'm not an expert, but I have never heard of it being forced upon non-family members or by a government or by religious decree.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:45 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:Opposing Israel and supporting the Palestinians... are Islamic statements? :?

Yes, but not exclusively Islamic statements. This weekend Jewish protests in Tel Aviv, NY and London showed many Jews and others oppose the current Israeli government and support a free Palestine.


You consider Hamas Islamic?

Genital mutilation appears to be done by families upon their own daughters. I'm not an expert, but I have never heard of it being forced upon non-family members or by a government or by religious decree.


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Re: Iraq

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:29 pm

Parodite wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:Opposing Israel and supporting the Palestinians... are Islamic statements? :?

Yes, but not exclusively Islamic statements. This weekend Jewish protests in Tel Aviv, NY and London showed many Jews and others oppose the current Israeli government and support a free Palestine.


You consider Hamas Islamic?

Genital mutilation appears to be done by families upon their own daughters. I'm not an expert, but I have never heard of it being forced upon non-family members or by a government or by religious decree.


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You are drifting off point. Doc's post is about ISIL and Iraq. This group is obviously not following with what we have seen from Salafi/Al Qaeda type terrorists in the past. They do not even look Middle Eastern. Other than the fact that Al Bagdadi was a participant in Obama's terrorist catch and release program we don't know much about them.

What is ISIS? A poseur caliphate that only wants to kill other Muslims? Why the pseudo-religious bloviating about forcing the African practice of maiming young girls while avoiding a public position on Israel/Palestine? Makes no sense to me.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:50 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:You are drifting off point. Doc's post is about ISIL and Iraq. This group is obviously not following with what we have seen from Salafi/Al Qaeda type terrorists in the past. They do not even look Middle Eastern. Other than the fact that Al Bagdadi was a participant in Obama's terrorist catch and release program we don't know much about them.

What is ISIS? A poseur caliphate that only wants to kill other Muslims? Why the pseudo-religious bloviating about forcing the African practice of maiming young girls while avoiding a public position on Israel/Palestine? Makes no sense to me.


Indeed it's weird... True Islamic cultures support Hamas and condemn Israel and do not maime young girls. This Al Bagdadi is also kinda unreal and Shakespearean almost when you observe him.

All the more crazy it gets when you realize that Boko Haram don't mind killing young school girls just like Hamas aiming their rockets at civilian centers with loads of school girls available to offer the Gods don't mind either.

Truly amazing how many faces Islam is able to keep up in the air simultaneously! If you ask me.. only the brilliance of some very influential Joos pulling the strings of US foreign policy are able to create a scene like this :P

In cases like these.. I'll have to consult oracle Ana.

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Sounds like Hilary Clinton knows more... :shock:
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Re: Iraq

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Al Bagdadi :: Add a bi gal


I thought Bagdadi was the beach bum in Gidget.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:52 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Al Bagdadi :: Add a bi gal


I thought Bagdadi was the beach bum in Gidget.


There are always connections.. somewhere so who knows! ;)

But seriously.. is there a mystery around ISIS and Al Bigdaddy? I don't think so... radical Iraqi Sunni origin... history of violent insurgencies and terrorist acts in Iraq post Saddam H... ultra violent gang behavior... very rich (estimated 1.3 billion $ )... international mercenary radical Islamic army growing. Muslims killing other Muslims is not at all weird; it is common practice for centuries already. Silent about Israel? Maybe... but could be a tactical decision for now.
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Re: Iraq

Postby Parodite » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:37 am

Parodite wrote:But seriously.. is there a mystery around ISIS and Al Bigdaddy? I don't think so... radical Iraqi Sunni origin... history of violent insurgencies and terrorist acts in Iraq post Saddam H... ultra violent gang behavior... very rich (estimated 1.3 billion $ )... international mercenary radical Islamic army growing. Muslims killing other Muslims is not at all weird; it is common practice for centuries already. Silent about Israel? Maybe... but could be a tactical decision for now.



Why the Islamic State has no sympathy for Hamas

Most of today's Salafist jihadist movements have no interest in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, for the time being regarding it as irrelevant. Instead, their call is to engage in intense, bloody confrontations involving bombings, executions, and suicide attacks against governments headed by Muslims and against Muslim civilians.

Al-Qaeda has followed this course for decades, and now the Islamic State (IS) is following in al-Qaeda's footsteps, fighting a brutal war across swathes of Iraq and Syria and in an effort to “purify” these areas through killings and population displacement. Once taking territory, it is not mobilizing the populations under its control in opposition to the Israeli military operations in Gaza. Why is this?

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Re: Iraq

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:21 pm

Good article. It does explain ISIL's PR position, but I think it is sophistry. ISIL is about despotism, not theocracy.
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Postby Parodite » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:43 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:Good article. It does explain ISIL's PR position, but I think it is sophistry. ISIL is about despotism, not theocracy.


It seems to me all theocracies are despotic; some just more than others. Sophistry and bags full of excuses it what drives them. Do you consider Iran a theocracy?
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Postby Nonc Hilaire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:03 pm

I think theocracy is a more useful description of Iran than despotism. There are not many governments which can be neatly pigeonholed into a single category.
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Postby Parodite » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:33 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:I think theocracy is a more useful description of Iran than despotism. There are not many governments which can be neatly pigeonholed into a single category.


Indeed. Most of them have many features that belong to different pigeon holes. Iran I would say is very theocratic, mildly despotic, to a great degree fascist, thoroughly oligarchic. Would be nice to try a new word for a rich dish like this... Theopofarchic?
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