Muslim vs the rest of the world.

Is the Muslim World at war with the west?

Yes
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No
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Re: On blow back

Postby Endovelico » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:59 pm

Parodite wrote:But, which is my point, you can choose the sides of people who just end up in the cross fire, notably children. If thousands are raped, killed...not all can be saved. But maybe 50, 200, 2500? When is it worthwhile in your opinion to move in with an international military force and go save them? If a tsunami certain will kill 40.000+ people.. going into the disater area and help out people in serious need who would otherwise perish too is never worth it I suppose.


Did we move into Cambodja at the time of Pol Pot? No. The Vietnamese did. Are we moving into Northern Nigeria, Chad, Niger or Cameroon, to stop Boko Haram? Did we move into Sudan when the Sudanese were slaughtering southern Sudanese? Are we stopping Israel killing Palestinians in Gaza?... It is amazing that concern for women and children only applies to certain countries, usually where oil exists in large quantities...
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Re: On blow back

Postby HAL 10000 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:21 pm

Endovelico wrote:
Parodite wrote:But, which is my point, you can choose the sides of people who just end up in the cross fire, notably children. If thousands are raped, killed...not all can be saved. But maybe 50, 200, 2500? When is it worthwhile in your opinion to move in with an international military force and go save them? If a tsunami certain will kill 40.000+ people.. going into the disater area and help out people in serious need who would otherwise perish too is never worth it I suppose.


Did we move into Cambodja at the time of Pol Pot? No. The Vietnamese did. Are we moving into Northern Nigeria, Chad, Niger or Cameroon, to stop Boko Haram? Did we move into Sudan when the Sudanese were slaughtering southern Sudanese? Are we stopping Israel killing Palestinians in Gaza?... It is amazing that concern for women and children only applies to certain countries, usually where oil exists in large quantities...


Are you trying to establish a certain moral equivalence between Israel and Boko Haram and/or Pol Pot? Given your intellectual and academic background, so much lack of precision does not suit you. Israel kills just enough to survive, or in the case of the right wing elements in Israel maybe also to keep the illegal settlements in West Bank, but your accusation that Israel intentionally targets civilians in Gaza is rather incorrect.
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Re: On blow back

Postby Parodite » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:19 pm

Endovelico wrote:
Parodite wrote:But, which is my point, you can choose the sides of people who just end up in the cross fire, notably children. If thousands are raped, killed...not all can be saved. But maybe 50, 200, 2500? When is it worthwhile in your opinion to move in with an international military force and go save them? If a tsunami certain will kill 40.000+ people.. going into the disater area and help out people in serious need who would otherwise perish too is never worth it I suppose.


Did we move into Cambodja at the time of Pol Pot? No. The Vietnamese did. Are we moving into Northern Nigeria, Chad, Niger or Cameroon, to stop Boko Haram? Did we move into Sudan when the Sudanese were slaughtering southern Sudanese? Are we stopping Israel killing Palestinians in Gaza?... It is amazing that concern for women and children only applies to certain countries, usually where oil exists in large quantities...


There is no specific concern for women and children in the ME and oil rich countries... where did you get that impression from? US concern and aim was regime change in Iraq with the result that many children were (collateral) victim of American violence and victim (most of them) of ethno-religious communities and their dictators that went after each others throat once pandoras box was opened.

But yes.. I would make women and children anywhere in the world the ones to fight for. Rescue them from the fire.. create corridors and safe havens. Of course the US, NATO, Russia and others could together do a lot in many places in the world where children and women have nobody who defends them and are in dire need to be rescued from the gates of Hell.
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Re: Muslim vs the rest of the world.

Postby Torchwood » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:53 pm

Well, the West created Jihadism, when it trained the Mujaheddin to defeat the USSR and set off the collapse of Communism. Oh the irony.
The conservative version of Islam is of course at war with the West, because it holds values and mores which are at complete variance to the West's, which dominate the rest of the world. Because of this Islam ends up fighting everybody, including Russians and Chinese, and of course Indians. That is why it will eventually lose, despite victories to date, and given that the faith is so committed to the political, will either implode and disappear, or modify itself into a more harmless Westernised form. Let us not be under the delusion that the West is tolerant, the human rights that we preach are universal, whether the target culture wants them or not.

I have a renewed respect for Hobbes. Leviathan aka Ghadaffi or even Saddam was far superior to the anarchy and civil war that reign now. Bush was naive as well as cynical in Iraq, and condemned and laughed at in Europe. So what did Europeans do? lead the charge into Libya...
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