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Kurdistan

Postby Endovelico » Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:20 pm

Kurdistan, maybe the only hope for a modern, secular Muslim country in the Middle East.

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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Azrael » Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:29 am

Possibly; but what about Tunisia?
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Endovelico » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:17 am

Kurdistan could become the Muslim's version of Israel, minus the religious fringe and minus Israeli aggressiveness. Unfortunately a reactionary Turkey is doing all it can to prevent a Kurdish state from coming into existence. Time for Europe and the US to give the idea of Kurdistan its full backing.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Endovelico » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:01 am



A different way of being Muslim. It may be crazy, but I feel incredibly proud of those girls. For those who mock revolution, maybe they should realize that the aim of revolution is to make builders out of predators. Those girls in the video are helping achieving that... I hope they all survive...
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Azrael » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:25 am

!Viva Kobane!
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Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:47 pm

VOA | Biden: US Recognizes Kurdish Threat to Turkey

Isn't there anyone of influence in the US State Department that understands any regional conflict?
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:44 am

Typhoon wrote:.

VOA | Biden: US Recognizes Kurdish Threat to Turkey

Isn't there anyone of influence in the US State Department that understands any regional conflict ?

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A yr B4 Shah fell, Carter in Tehran said Iran was the symbol of security and tranquility, praising Shah.

Now published evidence show, same time Carter was saying this to Shah, he was preparing Shah's fall.

Meaning, Turkey should pay attention, West could be warming up to a Kurdish Nation .. if so, Turkey would be the biggest loser .. Iran could be even a winner.

Maybe, next is KSA/Turkey to fall.


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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Alexis » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:09 am

Typhoon wrote:VOA | Biden: US Recognizes Kurdish Threat to Turkey

Isn't there anyone of influence in the US State Department that understands any regional conflict?


From the article, this gem by Biden: "(Islamic State fighters) are not the only existential threat to the people of Turkey. The PKK is equally a threat"

By the same principle: "Iran is not the only existential threat to Syria. The Islamic State is equally a threat"
Or: "Turkey is not the only existential threat to Saudi Arabia. Iran is equally a threat"

... the reality of course is that IS is not a threat at all to Turkey. It's an ally of convenience, against Kurds.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Alexis » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:27 am

- Geographically:

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- Demographically, we're speaking of close to 30 million people. An imprecise estimate, population in all concerned countries is not exactly known, fact which I can imagine must be compounded by mixed marriages... probably more than a few Turks / Iranians / etc. count both Kurds and non-Kurds in their ancestors.


- Militarily, Syria's and Iraq's Kurds have won victories against the I.S. They benefited from US and allied air support, but those victories were theirs nonetheless. There would seem to be better military performance among them than among most other Middle-Easterners.


- From the human point of view, Syria's Kurds are the only rebel group who respects minorities - e.g. Christians. Reason why Assyrian Christians are fighting along them against the I.S. While Iraq's Kurds have welcomed Christian and Yezidi civilians fleeing persecution by I.S. Acting this way, these Kurds are giving themselves a good name.

Some Kurdish militias in Iraq / Syria include women fighters. Which clarifies even further where these Kurds are standing regarding the interpretation of Islam as a jihadist ideology.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Alexis » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:14 pm

Heracleum Persicum wrote:Alex, beauty of the above map is, Kurds "ethnically" neither Arab (In Iraq), nor Turk, but Persian

Kurd, Azarbaijan, Taleshi (northers Iran, Caspian) are same "genetic thread" .. Kurdish language is "Pahlavi Persian", Original Persian language .. "MED & PARTH" comet to mind :D


Hmmm yes. They are Persians, just as much as Brits are Germans. Or Swedes are British.
Or French are Italians. Just as Brazilians.

But of course, all people speaking a Germanic language should be recognized as same "genetic thread" as Germany, which is their true Mother country.
Hey, ye Americans of English language, you heard that? In fact, you're Krauts! And them Froggies are Romans! :lol:
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:41 pm

:lol:

Quite.
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The US supporting a ally-in-name-only, Turkey, against the Kurds reminds me of the US supporting the reestablishment of colonial occupation of SE Asia by the Dutch, French, and British after WWII.
And we all know how well that turned out . . .

As Iraq is a completely artificial construct, it only makes sense that the Kurds have their own independent nation.

The US, by again being clueless fuckw*ts with regards to regional history and politics, are only making the situation worse.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Alexis » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:52 am

Heracleum Persicum wrote:Re Kurd, not sure how deep your knowledge is regarding Kurds, but, a quick look @ WiKi tell all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds

They are culturally and linguistically closely related to the Iranian peoples[45][47][48] and, as a result, are often themselves classified as an Iranian people.


Which was precisely my point, HP :)

Kurdish is an Indo-European language of the Iranian subgroup. Just like English, Dutch, Swedish are from the Germanic subgroup.

And I agree with you: Kurds are Iranians in fact... Just as much as English-speaking Americans and Brits are in fact Germans! :lol:

I'm sure quite a lot of our American contributors will be delighted to recognize below the rightful leader of their country. Hey, MG, Mr P, Simple Minded, y'all guys, you copy? :lol:

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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Simple Minded » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:21 pm

Alexis wrote:
And I agree with you: Kurds are Iranians in fact... Just as much as English-speaking Americans and Brits are in fact Germans! :lol:

I'm sure quite a lot of our American contributors will be delighted to recognize below the rightful leader of their country. Hey, MG, Mr P, Simple Minded, y'all guys, you copy? :lol:

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:lol:

Please be patient, we need more time. We're slowly working our way towards a European level of sophisticated leadership......

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Personally, I think Trump has better hair.

BTW, either "you guys" or "all y'all" is sufficient. ;)
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby YMix » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:59 pm

I think Alexis meant "ja'wohl".
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:10 pm

This thread is about a possible Kurdistan,

not Greater WhateverFuckistan.

Further off topic posts will be summarily deleted.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:47 am

Typhoon wrote:.

This thread is about a possible Kurdistan,

not Greater WhateverFuckistan.

Further off topic posts will be summarily deleted.

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A debate on a "Kurdistan" is a debate about Turkey, Syria, Iran, Mesopotamia

That would lead us to NATO, as this would stipulate disintegration of Turkey, one of main pillar of NATO (in these days of antagonism towards our beloved Putin :lol: )

Meaning, so far, things riming

Not sure what you gettin @ CS !


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Re: Kurdistan

Postby noddy » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:16 am

Typhoon wrote:
As Iraq is a completely artificial construct, it only makes sense that the Kurds have their own independent nation.

The US, by again being clueless fuckw*ts with regards to regional history and politics, are only making the situation worse.


most of 'kurdistan' is in turkey and iran, so the americans and azari are quite right to point out its not so simple as the bit in iraq.

which isnt to say they desperately want to recreate the persian empire.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:46 am

noddy wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
As Iraq is a completely artificial construct, it only makes sense that the Kurds have their own independent nation.

The US, by again being clueless fuckw*ts with regards to regional history and politics, are only making the situation worse.


most of 'kurdistan' is in turkey and iran, so the americans and azari are quite right to point out its not so simple as the bit in iraq.

which isnt to say they desperately want to recreate the persian empire.


Agreed.

However, Mods would be more tolerant if the topic of Great WhateverFuckistan had not been completely overdone in various unrelated threads.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby noddy » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:17 am

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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:28 pm

Gay Kurdish warrior beefcake? Those prissy briefs, greaves and the cape should be a big hit at the club on Saturday night.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:12 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:Gay Kurdish warrior beefcake? Those prissy briefs, greaves and the cape should be a big hit at the club on Saturday night.


I think he's a representative of Greater WhateverFuckistan.

The long lost 7th, er, member of the Village People.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:58 pm

Typhoon wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:Gay Kurdish warrior beefcake? Those prissy briefs, greaves and the cape should be a big hit at the club on Saturday night.


I think he's a representative of Greater WhateverFuckistan.

The long lost 7th, er, member of the Village People.

Point of order. Posts regarding Greater WhateverFuckistan go in the EU gun control thread :lol:
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:55 pm

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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Typhoon » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:56 pm

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/iraq-kurd-leader-time-come-statehood-referendum-093222852.html]AFP | Iraq Kurd leader: 'Time has come' for statehood referendum[/url]

Baghdad (AFP) - Iraqi Kurdish leader Massud Barzani has declared that the "time has come" for the country's Kurds to hold a referendum on statehood, a move likely to raise tensions with Baghdad.

But even if the various political challenges to independence are resolved, the major economic problems the region faces due to low oil prices are another bar to Kurdish independence.

"The time has come and the conditions are now suitable for the people to make a decision through a referendum on their future," Barzani said in a statement released Wednesday.

"This referendum would not necessarily lead to (an) immediate declaration of statehood, but rather to know the will and opinion of the people of Kurdistan about their future," said Barzani, who has remained in power despite the expiration of his term as president.
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Re: Kurdistan

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:30 pm

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https://www.rt.com/news/331711-erdogan- ... ian-kurds/


"Islamic State has military bases in Turkey, and is using it as a corridor. Turkey currently plays a role similar to the one Pakistan played in the 1980s. When the Soviet forces were stationed in Afghanistan, jihadists arrived there through Pakistan, along with the money and arms," Abd Salam Ali noted.

"Now Turkey is exactly the same corridor [for militants in Syria], and it plays its own game. But Kurds appeared to stand in [Ankara's] way. They have forced IS away from Rojava [also known as Syrian Kurdistan]. There's only one piece left, a 90km-long territory between the Kurdish towns. If we force IS out of there and reconnect the Kurdish cantons, Turkey won't be able to influence [the situation in Syria]."

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“While the Turkish authorities appear determined to silence internal criticism, they have faced very little from the international community. Strategic considerations relating to the conflict in Syria and determined efforts to enlist Turkey’s help in stemming the flow of refugees to Europe must not overshadow allegations of gross human rights violations. The international community must not look the other way,”



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