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Egyptians rally against army over beatings of protesters
Reuters wrote:CAIRO (Reuters) - Thousands of Egyptians rallied in Cairo and other cities on Friday to demand the military give up power and vent their anger after 17 people were killed in protests where troops beat and clubbed women and men even as they lay on the ground.

One image in particular from the five days of clashes that ended this week has stoked their fury: that of soldiers dragging a woman lying on the street so that her bra and torso were exposed, while clubbing and stamping on her.

"Anyone who saw her and saw her pain would come to Tahrir,"

Omar Adel, 27, said in Cairo's Tahrir Square. "Those who did this should be tried. We can't bear this humiliation and abuse."

Some protesters have been demanding the army bring forward a presidential vote to as early as January 25, the first anniversary of the start of the uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak, or at least much earlier than the mid-2012 handover now scheduled.

But other Egyptians fret that 10 months after Mubarak's downfall Egypt remains in disarray. They want protests to stop so order can be restored and the economy revitalized, voicing such views in a smaller protest in another part of Cairo.

The Muslim Brotherhood's party, leading in a staggered parliamentary election that runs to January and is Egypt's first free vote in six decades, said it would not join Friday's rally.

It also supports the army's schedule and says the process must be decided by balloting, not street pressure.
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An axcellent interview with Ghada Talhami, emeritus professor in the department of politics at Lake Forest College, author of “The Mobilization of Muslim Women in Egypt”

Listen here for the interview. Worth the time.

http://uprisingradio.org/home/2011/12/2 ... k-outrage/
Egyptian Military Brutalize Women, Spark Outrage
Feature Stories | Published 22 Dec 2011, 11:23 am | 1 Comment -


Thousands of Egyptian women marched in Tahrir Square, Cairo, on Tuesday to protest the Military’s mistreatment of women. The marchers were a fusion of Christian, Muslim and secular women of all ages whose anger was sparked by a video that caused international uproar. The video in question shows Egyptian police on Saturday, December 17 violently stripping a female activist of her clothes, revealing her undergarments, then proceeding to stomp on her chest and beat her while she was apparently unconscious. Although her identity is as yet unknown*, the brutality the woman in question faced, has ignited fury all over Egypt and the Arab world. Military leaders, though initially hesitant to accept responsibility, have finally admitted that the assault occurred and have stated that the perpetrators would be tried. The military however, blamed such violence on provocations by protestors themselves. One official has gone as far as saying that the peaceful protests planned for January 25, 2012, the first anniversary of Mubarak’s ousting, are a ploy to launch a civil war in Egypt. In a statement this week US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned the Egyptian Military’s crackdown on women protestors stating that the “systematic degradation of Egyptian women dishonors the revolution.” Despite this criticism, the Obama administration has maintained a largely laudatory view of the Military’s rule of Egypt with little indication that it will investigate the many accusations of abuses committed by the regime. The Muslim Brotherhood, currently leading the parliamentary elections in Egypt, has expressed resistance to joining secular activists in calling for the Military government to relinquish power, instead vying for the completion of the electoral process. Even though some media reports cite that the Egyptian public is growing weary of the protests, activists and opposition groups have called for a new mass demonstration tomorrow Friday, to condemn military violence and demand that power be transferred to a civilian authority by February 2012. The Egyptian Prime Minister, Kamal el-Ganzouri, who was appointed by the military, called for a national dialogue today, and appealed for calm for two months to help restore security.
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The backfire!

Ibrahim apparently was completely unaware that the western elite believed the "arab spring" was a "democracy" movement that would bring these countries into more modern rights based polity. I believe Ibrahim thought I was so crazy believing such common knowledge that he was asking for citations. :?

Well this is good enough. More arab spring please!

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/363239ba ... z1i5cN6Zut
Back in January, as popular protests against President Hosni Mubarak gathered pace, the Muslim Brotherhood was easy to spot, its young women in headscarves and youths taking charge of security checkpoints in Tahrir Square. But, as just one of the many groups organising daily life in the encampment that formed the nerve centre of the uprising, the 80-year-old Islamist movement was not especially prominent.

Yet within nine months, the Brotherhood had reclaimed its status as Egypt’s most powerful political force following decades of suppression. In the country’s first free parliamentary elections, its newly created Freedom and Justice party won more than 35 per cent of the vote in the first round, and slightly more in December’s second round.

Even more worrying for those hoping the Arab world’s largest nation would adopt a liberal, pro-western face, fellow Islamists from the puritanical Salafi movement emerged with more than 25 per cent, a score likely to be confirmed in the third and final round of voting in January.

“This is the real Egyptian revolution,” says Jon Alterman of the US-based Center for Strategic and International Studies and one of the international observers at the Egyptian elections. “In February, the military removed Hosni Mubarak. This is the revolution that reorients power in Egypt.”

In both a domestic and a broader Arab context, the political events of the past few weeks in Egypt represent a political earthquake, one that Arab regimes and western powers alike had long sought to prevent.

For decades, the region’s rulers defended their authoritarianism to western partners by raising the spectre of an Islamist takeover as the only alternative. Any prospect of the US or other western allies holding a dialogue with Islamists was seen as an affront.
A key, nearly prophetic aspect of the Milo Doctrine, lo those years ago. We foresaw it, like seers almost.
For their part, western governments played along, largely because foreign policy in Cairo and several other Arab capitals was accommodating to their own interests – particularly in terms of preventing excessively aggressive policies towards Israel.

Today, however, 20 years after Algeria’s military staged a coup to prevent a parliamentary landslide by the Islamic Salvation Front, and five years after Hamas rode to victory in the Palestinian territory only to face a western boycott, Islamists are demonstrating their power of survival.

As policymakers around the world adapt to the new realities of the region, their biggest concern will be to develop new ties with Islamist groups as they stand for the first time on the brink of power without constraint.

The most critical test will be in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood, the oldest Arab Islamist group, is the inspiration for other movements, and its first effort to share power is likely to have wider regional ramifications.

Even before Egyptians went to the polls, Tunisia’s Islamists had set the tone of the new political order. The Nahda party, persecuted under the fiercely secular previous regime, regrouped with astonishing speed following the fall of President Zein al-Abidine Ben Ali in January. The party’s exiled leaders, some of them turned successful businessmen in Europe and the Middle East, returned to run an efficient campaign in which Nahda won more than 40 per cent in the October vote for the constituent assembly, the country’s first democratic poll.

There was a similar story in Morocco. In November elections, the first to be held under a new constitution giving the prime minister expanded powers, the opposition Justice and Development party emerged as the largest single bloc in parliament, even if well short of a majority. The leader of the Islamist grouping has now been charged with forming a government.

Political analysts say that in Libya’s conservative society, politics are likely to be dominated by Islamist-leaning parties, too. Meanwhile, the Syrian National Council, the umbrella group leading the battle to bring down the regime, is fighting perceptions that it is dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood, the party that the father of President Bashar al-Assad crushed brutally in the 1980s.

“The foreseeable future is Islamist – this much we know. It’s just a reality that people have to come to terms with,” says Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Doha Center. “People want to see Islam play a larger role in political life and liberals are going to have to learn to speak the language of religion and stop being the anti-Islamist choice.”

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Islamists might share in the broad objective of establishing a state based on sharia law. But the commitment of the various groups to participatory politics, and their vision of government, in many cases differ widely.

At one end of the spectrum is Tunisia’s Nahda which sees itself as mildly Islamist, its leader, Rached Ghannouchi, insisting the state should be founded on the principle of citizenship not religion. If Nahda has a model, it is Turkey’s Justice and Development (AK) party, which has Islamist roots and has presided over a rare period of stability and economic prosperity.

At the other end are the ultraconservative Salafi parties, founded on a vision of an Islamic state that replicates the strict social norms of Saudi Arabia. Many see democracy as incompatible with this goal.
Doctrine and democracy

When Egypt’s Salafi Nour party polled more than a quarter of the vote in the first two stages of staggered parliamentary elections, it confounded predictions that its purist brand of Islam would appeal to only a small fraction of the electorate, write Heba Saleh and Roula Khalaf.

Initial impressions are that its utopian rhetoric and literal reading of religious doctrine, presenting a simplified “roadmap to paradise”, has appealed to a swath of poorer voters who distrust politicians and are more comfortable supporting those they consider “men of God”.

Before the popular revolt that swept President Hosni Mubarak from power in February, the Salafis kept a low profile; many of their leaders were closely watched by the security services. A broad movement that has long eschewed political activism – many Salafi sheikhs preach obedience to the rulers – it was widely considered too disparate and disorganised to win a significant number of votes.

But the Salafis control a large network of mosques, several television channels and well-established charities with a formidable record of providing services in poor areas. The official press, citing unnamed justice ministry sources, said recently that Salafi charities received about E£400m ($66.3m) this year from donors in Gulf Arab states.

Thanks to their surprisingly strong electoral performance, the Salafis are certain to constitute an important bloc in parliament, a fact that is likely to have a significant impact on the calculations of other forces. Ever ready with accusations of apostasy, they are likely to inhibit the small contingent of liberal representatives in the assembly.

In addition, their presence will mean the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice party will not be the only group claiming to represent an Islamic point of view. The less pragmatic Salafis are likely to set the bar high, possibly forcing Freedom and Justice into more hardline positions.

The uneasy relationship between the two groups ensures that Egyptian politics will no longer be split only along liberal-Islamist lines. “Throughout [the Middle East and north Africa], the divide between Islamist and liberal will remain one of the primary conflicts,” says Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Doha Center. “But that will go hand in hand with an intra-Islamist debate, and the two will be related.”

Somewhere in between is Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, a more mainstream Islamist organisation that considers Nahda too liberal but views democratic politics as the best means of bringing about the gradual Islamisation of society.

Western officials and policy analysts will be pondering what is driving societies that have rid themselves of tyranny to put their faith in Islamists, whether moderate or hardline. Yet the appeal of religious parties, particularly at a time of great political uncertainty, is not surprising.

In Egypt, secular groups with leftist and pan-Arab ideologies ossified under the weight of repression by successive regimes determined to abolish all potential challengers. The Brotherhood, with its message rooted in Islam and spread through mosques and charities, proved harder to eradicate. When Mr Mubarak fell, the organisation – with its long-standing structures and networks – remained the country’s most organised political force, even as new secular and liberal groups scrambled to form parties under the chaotic watch of the ruling military council.

Their brand recognition and history of victimisation by the previous regime made them the logical choice for many voters, who saw them as strong and credible agents of change. “We have tried many things, so this time let’s try those who are religious,” says Abdel Moneim Said, a carpenter in Ard al-Lewa, an impoverished district of Cairo, echoing a widespread sentiment. “Maybe they will prove honest. Anyway, we don’t see anyone else.”

But the Brotherhood is also an experienced political actor that has proved more astute than others since the revolution, judging the public mood better than liberal parties and managing a tricky relationship with the military council to its own benefit.

Even before the fall of Mr Mubarak, Brotherhood leaders played their cards well. They sent reassuring messages to the west that they would not seek to monopolise power, nor run a presidential candidate. In the aftermath of a youth-led and leaderless revolution, moreover, the army saw the Brotherhood as one of the few grown-up interlocutors with which it could seek accommodation, and appeared to give it preferential treatment in the drafting of constitutional amendments.

By the middle of summer, however, the honeymoon was over between the Brotherhood and a military seeking to protect its interests, privileges and control over sensitive issues such as Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel. Relations have grown tense, with the Brotherhood and the Salafis twice calling massive rallies to protest against plans by the generals to impose constitutional provisions that shield the army from parliamentary oversight and give it a permanent political role.

The issue has not been resolved – and the Brotherhood’s biggest power struggle in the near future will be with the military. For now though, the organisation’s leaders are attempting to play down the confrontation. “If there is a hair between us, we will not cut it,” Mohamed Badie, the supreme leader of the Brotherhood, said of the army in a recent television interview.

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But for Egypt’s Islamists, the real challenge lies ahead. Having waited decades for power, they might now be getting what they wished for – however, they also inherit a state saddled with the legacy of decades of mismanagement; and an economy shattered by recent political turmoil.

Indeed, from Tunis to Cairo, Islamist victors are showing little appetite for ruling alone in the near future. Tunisia’s Nahda has already formed a coalition with two secular parties. In Egypt, Brotherhood officials say no group can govern alone given the magnitude of the nation’s problems, including pervasive poverty and rising rates of unemployment.

After initially clamouring for the right to form the government after the completion of the elections, the organisation now says it recognises that the military council is entitled to appoint an administration that governs until a new constitution has been drafted by the elected parliament. It has also distanced itself from the Salafis, suggesting it would prefer to form a coalition with liberal parties.

“It is not a condition that we should lead the government,” says Saad al-Katatny, a senior official. “We do not want to repeat the mistakes of the previous ruling party [which monopolised power].”

The Brotherhood’s dilemma is evident in its party’s detailed 160-page election manifesto. Freedom and Justice says it wants to reduce the budget deficit, attract investment and tackle expensive subsidies – all of which appeal to the business community and to potential foreign investors. At the same time, however, it wants to change the face of society in ways that could outrage liberal businessmen and alarm foreigners.

The programme, for example, launches a bitter attack on Egypt’s endorsement under Mr Mubarak of international agreements abolishing discrimination against women and assuring the rights of children. It also seeks a less pro-western foreign policy that could clash with a new government’s need to attract international assistance.

The challenge for Egypt’s Islamists will be to strike a balance between their religious aspirations and the pursuit of pragmatic political and economic policies. As Mr Alterman of CSIS argues, they cannot afford to alienate those who have the talent to take Egypt forward economically, many of whom are highly educated liberal-minded businesspeople.

The more tolerance Egypt’s Brotherhood shows, the more likely it is to succeed where it matters most – in improving the daily life of a population that rose against decades of repression, corruption and neglect.
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What we know is that in the one independent country where the Muslim Brotherhood has taken power (Tunisia), it has been moderate, pro-human rights, and has shared power with more secular parties. Assuming that Egypt will turn in to Saudi Arabia or Iran at this time is presumptuous, to say the least.
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Azrael wrote:What we know is that in the one independent country where the Muslim Brotherhood has taken power (Tunisia), it has been moderate, pro-human rights, and has shared power with more secular parties. Assuming that Egypt will turn in to Saudi Arabia or Iran at this time is presumptuous, to say the least.
Is the Muslim Brotherhood a unified entity? I thought it was more distributed with each flag-carrying branch being autonomous.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Azrael wrote:What we know is that in the one independent country where the Muslim Brotherhood has taken power (Tunisia), it has been moderate, pro-human rights, and has shared power with more secular parties. Assuming that Egypt will turn in to Saudi Arabia or Iran at this time is presumptuous, to say the least.
Is the Muslim Brotherhood a unified entity? I thought it was more distributed with each flag-carrying branch being autonomous.
They are pretty unified with a huge support network that runs even in the military.
How else do you think Hamas continued to get weapons??
Speaking of them, do you notice how quite they have been about the whole Egypt revolution?
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Azrael wrote:What we know is that in the one independent country where the Muslim Brotherhood has taken power (Tunisia), it has been moderate, pro-human rights, and has shared power with more secular parties. Assuming that Egypt will turn in to Saudi Arabia or Iran at this time is presumptuous, to say the least.
Is the Muslim Brotherhood a unified entity? I thought it was more distributed with each flag-carrying branch being autonomous.

They are as unified as any political party is. Obviously there are offshoots and what have you, but they are much more coherent and unified than, for example, people we refer to as "al Qaeda" or other vague or misused descriptions like "Islamists" and "Salafists." As I've written previously, their main activity in Egypt was to provide social services to the poor. The conception Egyptians have of them doesn't resemble Western perceptions at all.

Their agenda is eerily similar to that of Christian social conservatives in the US. It limits freedoms relative to a post-modern secular liberal state.
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Saddam Hussein , here we come

Poor Mubarak, Poor Mubarak .. the durian thought doing American dirty work will bring him a medal



Mubarak to Be Hanged

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NYT

January 5, 2012

Prosecutors in Egypt Call for Mubarak to Be Hanged

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

CAIRO — Egyptian prosecutors called on Thursday for hanging former President Hosni Mubarak, saying his authority over the security forces made him responsible for the deaths of hundreds of protesters who challenged his rule.

Egyptian law authorizes the death penalty for the deliberate murder of a single victim, one of the prosecutors, Mostafa Khater, told the court. So what, he asked, is the appropriate sentence for killing hundreds? “There is life for you in the law of retribution, o men of understanding,” he said, quoting the Koran.

The prosecutors laid out their closing arguments in the historic trial of Egypt’s disgraced head of state as Egypt’s military rulers and their activist opponents braced for mass demonstrations on the Jan. 25 anniversary of the protests that forced him out. The final defense arguments are expected as early as next week, so the panel of judges could render a verdict before the anniversary.

The final decision could help determine whether that date is a day of anger or celebration. But the deliberations over a man who ruled with an iron fist for nearly three decades are also riveting the region. Tunisia seeks the extradition of its former president, Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali, now in Saudi Arabia, the first of the Arab leaders forced from power by a popular uprising. Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s son and heir apparent, Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi, awaits trial in Libya.

President Bashar al-Assad in Syria is directing far greater violence against the protesters hoping to end his rule, with the killing of an estimated 5,000 demonstrators in the past 10 months. And President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen has taken the first step toward leaving power amid charges that he, too, authorized his military to attack demonstrators who demanded his exit.

In Cairo, the prosecutors have predicated their case against Mr. Mubarak on the principle that he was responsible for the deaths by virtue of his official position — that, like the other Arab leaders, he either knew or should have known about the killings by his own security forces in the central squares of Egyptian cities.

“He is responsible for what happened and must bear the legal and political responsibility for what happened,” said the lead prosecutor, Mustafa Suleiman, news agencies reported. “It is irrational and illogical to assume that he did not know that protesters were being targeted.”

After five months of intermittent sessions bogged down by legal squabbles and technical motions, prosecutors have failed to produce specific testimony or evidence that Mr. Mubarak, 83, directly ordered the use of force or the shooting of demonstrators. They contended on Tuesday that the police had obstructed their efforts to gather evidence, forcing the prosecution to rely on showing video of police violence that was previously shown on private television networks.

Mr. Mubarak and his interior minister, Habib el-Adly, both said in sworn depositions that the president had not given orders to use force, Mr. Suleiman acknowledged dismissively. “This is crazy people’s talk,” he said.

“He is the one with the interest in oppressing these protests and in killing the protesters who only went out to call for his ouster,” Mr. Suleiman added. Except for orders from above, the security officers themselves would have no other motive to kill the demonstrators, he argued.

To make its case, the prosecution drew on events as long ago as 1997. The interior minister then was blamed, and fired by Mr. Mubarak, when terrorists killed foreign tourists in Luxor that year. But there was no evidence that Mr. Mubarak had felt such anger or sought to punish Mr. Adly for allowing the killings of so many Egyptian citizens last year, Mr. Suleiman said. “How could he be enraged for the lives of a number of foreigners but not care or be equally enraged for his people?” the prosecutor asked.

Prosecutors introduced statements at the trial from the depositions of former Interior Ministry officials and from Mr. Mubarak’s former intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman, to show that the ministry could never have given an order to shoot protesters without presidential authorization.

At one point, Mr. Suleiman also sought indirectly to discredit the testimony of Egypt’s de facto chief executive, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, who was Mr. Mubarak’s defense minister as well as a close friend. Mr. Tantawi testified in a closed court that Mr. Mubarak had never ordered the military to use force against protesters, people present have said and the Egyptian news media have reported.

But in his deposition Mr. Mubarak said that after the police force collapsed on Jan. 28 the armed forces refused his order to go to the streets to control the chaos. “When I found that they did nothing and didn’t perform their role the way that was required, I was forced to step down,” he said, according to the deposition.

What had Mr. Mubarak asked of the armed forces if not to use force, the prosecutors asked. How else did he want them to control the streets?

Victims’ lawyers who had previously complained that the prosecution seemed half-hearted were on Thursday pronouncing themselves delighted.

Mr. Mubarak, said to be ailing, listened on his back inside the metal cage that serves in Egyptian courts as a docket. He is charged with Mr. Adly and Mr. Adly’s top aides with conspiring to kill protesters in an attempt to hold on to power. Mr. Mubarak is also charged along with his sons Gamal and Alaa of corruption.

Egypt’s new rulers — the military — have the power to veto a death sentence.

A day after prosecutors accused the police of obstructing the case, state media reported Thursday that the current interior minister had said that his ministry’s near-total collapse after Jan. 28 had handicapped its ability to produce certain evidence.

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A lesson 2B learned by those egghead Qatari, Kuwaiti, Saudi, UAE and and shitheads (so called Amirs)


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I know, DebKa a Mussad disinformation tool

but
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Jerusalem were dismayed to discover last week that Egypt's transitional military rulers (SCAF) were preparing to drop the reins of government and hand them over - lock, stock and barrel, including the armed forces - to civilian rule, i.e., the Muslim Brotherhood, at the earliest opportunity. This decision upends the Obama administration's plans for post-Mubarak: The military rulers were to have stayed in place until a new, democratic constitution was drafted and a moderate president acceptable to the Egyptian people elected.

But the generals seem to have despaired of getting Egypt back on its feet after the turmoil of the 12-month uprising and are anxious to escape the country's plunge into chaos, economic breakdown and the uncertainties of an approaching Middle East war.

Led by SCAF chairman Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the military is resolved not to wait for the next two stages of the democratic transition to go through. They are on the run – even if this means handing Egypt on a silver platter to the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist colleagues whose parties have dominated the three rounds of parliamentary elections.

Indeed, according to debkafile's Washington and intelligence sources, Tantawi has already struck a deal to hand over the presidential powers vested in him provisionally to the incoming Speaker of Parliament, the choice of whom is up to the Brotherhood

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Rhubarb, relaaaax .. David said Islam conforms nicely with Judaism

well

your choice David, Judeo-Christo or Islamo-Judeo

make your mind

Seems, Hussein Barak already decided


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How do you like them apples...

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 87342.html

Egyptian women cane Salafi vigilantes after beauty salon swoop

A group of ultra-conservative Salafis got more than they bargained for after bursting into a beauty salon in the Egyptian town of Benha in an attempt to enforce “God’s law” on the women inside reported the online newspaper, Bikya Masr.

The women were told to stop what they were doing or face physical punishment from the group.

But instead of complying out of fear, or calling for help, the women took matters into their own hands by striking back.

They beat and whipped the vigilante gang “with their own canes before kicking them out to the street in front of an astonished crowd of onlookers,” Egyptian online newspaper, Bikya Masr, reported.

The surprise raid on the salon was part of a string of similar “inspection checks” on other retail businesses to check for compliance and that shop owners and customers abided with “God’s law.”

This included telling shop owners “they could no longer sell ‘indecent’ clothing, barbers could no longer shave men’s beards, and that all retail businesses should expect regular and surprise inspections to check for compliance,” the newspaper added.

It is unclear how other shop owners and customers have responded to the Salafi patrols in Egypt, similar to Saudi Arabia’s morality police.

The strict segregation of the sexes is encouraged within the Salafi sect, with many of its women wearing the niqab and gown for full coverage.

The Egyptian group has also reportedly smashed Christmas trees and decorations in front of stores and malls, declaring the celebration of Christmas “haram” or forbidden.

‘Morality police’ links to al-Nour
The newspaper linked the vigilantes to the newly-established group, the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.

It announced its presence in Egypt the Dec. 25 through a new Facebook page carrying a statement linking it to the infamous body by the same name in Saudi Arabia.

But last week Al-Azhar, Egypt’s central mosque, announced its rejection to the formation of the so-called committee, to which the group replied on Facebook:

“The Committee, which millions of Egyptians have agreed to, and expressed their desire to see its members diligently apply God’s law, draws the attention of our brothers in Al-Azhar to what happened in the last elections when millions of citizens voted for Salafi parties,” the committee’s statement read.

Their claims suggest they are a part of the Salafi al-Nour Party, which has won close to 30 percent of seats in parliament in the ongoing lower house elections so far.

But the party has publically denied any connection with this ultra-conservative group, including financing them, according to al-Nour’s Facebook page.
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ElBaradei pulled out of the race for the Egyptian presidency on Saturday, the Nobel Peace Prize winner saying "the previous regime" was still running the country


:lol:

he is right

things not done yet

Egyptian people do not want cronies .. neither secular (Field-marshal shithead) nor Muslim (new breed of Muslim brotherhood) cronies

Egyptian people want their sovereignty back

"Mohamed ElBaradei" the right guy for the job



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The Muslim Brotherhood will hold %46 of the assembly after their huge showing in the elections. If they are not permitted to govern with this mandate then they will lend their support to protests against the military, who will probably be forced to concede. At present they've been taking a more patient strategy which might pay off if transition to democratic rule is negotiated rather than recourse to protests and violence.
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Ibrahim wrote:.

The Muslim Brotherhood will hold %46 of the assembly after their huge showing in the elections. If they are not permitted to govern with this mandate then they will lend their support to protests against the military, who will probably be forced to concede. At present they've been taking a more patient strategy which might pay off if transition to democratic rule is negotiated rather than recourse to protests and violence.

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"New" Muslim Brotherhood is CIA creation, with Zionist cooperation

With them in power, business as usual will prevail .. new freedoms will be Freedom of 4 wife, freedom of no belly dancing and things of that rubbish .. but subservient to Zionist interest

It will work for awhile

but not for long

Once the Egyptians realize they were coned

the real story will unfold


"Mohamed ElBaradei" the right guy for the job


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AzariLoveIran wrote:
"New" Muslim Brotherhood is CIA creation, with Zionist cooperation
A silly, unsupported claim.
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Ibrahim wrote:The Muslim Brotherhood will hold %46 of the assembly after their huge showing in the elections. If they are not permitted to govern with this mandate then they will lend their support to protests against the military, who will probably be forced to concede. At present they've been taking a more patient strategy which might pay off if transition to democratic rule is negotiated rather than recourse to protests and violence.
If the military is true to their end of the bargain (as I understand it), there could be civilian rule by the summer.
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Azrael wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:The Muslim Brotherhood will hold %46 of the assembly after their huge showing in the elections. If they are not permitted to govern with this mandate then they will lend their support to protests against the military, who will probably be forced to concede. At present they've been taking a more patient strategy which might pay off if transition to democratic rule is negotiated rather than recourse to protests and violence.
If the military is true to their end of the bargain (as I understand it), there could be civilian rule by the summer.
The supreme military council talked vaguely about handing over power to the civilian government, but never gave any kind of timeline. I'm sure the military and MB are negotiating right now, as is logical.
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Ibrahim wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

"New" Muslim Brotherhood is CIA creation, with Zionist cooperation

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A silly, unsupported claim.

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Hear it directly from horse`s mouth :

Dennis Ross (he should know it :) ) : Ross said that the Brotherhood has "evolved and are not the same as the Salafists" . . "We should not view (the Brotherhood) as we have in the past . .

In clear text, MB is castrated, sanitized

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Hans Bulvai wrote:How do you like them apples...

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 87342.html

Egyptian women cane Salafi vigilantes after beauty salon swoop

A group of ultra-conservative Salafis got more than they bargained for after bursting into a beauty salon in the Egyptian town of Benha in an attempt to enforce “God’s law” on the women inside reported the online newspaper, Bikya Masr.

The women were told to stop what they were doing or face physical punishment from the group.

But instead of complying out of fear, or calling for help, the women took matters into their own hands by striking back.

They beat and whipped the vigilante gang “with their own canes before kicking them out to the street in front of an astonished crowd of onlookers,” Egyptian online newspaper, Bikya Masr, reported.

The surprise raid on the salon was part of a string of similar “inspection checks” on other retail businesses to check for compliance and that shop owners and customers abided with “God’s law.”

This included telling shop owners “they could no longer sell ‘indecent’ clothing, barbers could no longer shave men’s beards, and that all retail businesses should expect regular and surprise inspections to check for compliance,” the newspaper added.

It is unclear how other shop owners and customers have responded to the Salafi patrols in Egypt, similar to Saudi Arabia’s morality police.

The strict segregation of the sexes is encouraged within the Salafi sect, with many of its women wearing the niqab and gown for full coverage.

The Egyptian group has also reportedly smashed Christmas trees and decorations in front of stores and malls, declaring the celebration of Christmas “haram” or forbidden.

‘Morality police’ links to al-Nour
The newspaper linked the vigilantes to the newly-established group, the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.

It announced its presence in Egypt the Dec. 25 through a new Facebook page carrying a statement linking it to the infamous body by the same name in Saudi Arabia.

But last week Al-Azhar, Egypt’s central mosque, announced its rejection to the formation of the so-called committee, to which the group replied on Facebook:

“The Committee, which millions of Egyptians have agreed to, and expressed their desire to see its members diligently apply God’s law, draws the attention of our brothers in Al-Azhar to what happened in the last elections when millions of citizens voted for Salafi parties,” the committee’s statement read.

Their claims suggest they are a part of the Salafi al-Nour Party, which has won close to 30 percent of seats in parliament in the ongoing lower house elections so far.

But the party has publically denied any connection with this ultra-conservative group, including financing them, according to al-Nour’s Facebook page.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your post and the link, Hans.

This is WONDERFUL news! Just like in Israel, people seem to be standing up against these self appointed busybodies before they get REAL power like those vile murderous jerks in Saudi Arabia who forced schoolgirls back inside a burning school building because they weren't "properly attired".*

A constant refrain is "Where are the moderate Muslims?"

IMVVHO a group of Miltant Moderates has been found! Three Cheers for them!

Hip Hip Hurrah!

I just hope the ladies and friends arm themselves well in case the Salafi stooges come back. Hopefully a neighborhood watch is in place to watch for the return of these klowns and that they can ID the perps. Wouldn't put it past the creeps to come back to vandalize or do worse to the beauty salon.

Or (this is based on American SOP perhaps not valid in Egypt**) try to use the law criminal &/or civil against the brave ladies.

In Israel that Penquin perp who pestered the patriot lady has been IDed and is scheduled for court...........

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=74#p848



*Two views of the school fire........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca ... chool_fire

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1874471.stm


** SOP for the pestiferous Westboro Baddest :wink: oops I mean Westrboro Baptist Church: cultish clan of lawyers living off lawsuits created by reactions to their antics..........
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w6UA3cAvzqs
Deep down I'm very superficial
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Parodite wrote:.

w6UA3cAvzqs

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Thanx "Parodite" for posting this


well, folks

here you have the difference between your friends, Saudi and Egypt

and your adversary Iran and Syria

Iranian of Christian and Jewish faith, are, actually, "privileged" in Iran .. they live in Iran according to their own Christian and Jewish laws (repressing Islamic laws do not apply to them), and, are as Iranian as any Iranian

and

In Syria :lol:

The Christians are THE backers of Assad .. the same lavender as in Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood), new friends of America, are now fighting Assad .. HaHa .. HaHaHa

well

you always in bed with the bad guys .. that is why you losing


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Aza, to me the meaning this heart breaking video is not to identify good-bad guys along the lines of middle east countries or sunni-shia schisms but show what people are capable of doing when they get totally madly fanatic about their fundamentalist religion-ideology of which an important characteristic is the good-us versus bad-them bipolarity.
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Parodite wrote:Aza, to me the meaning this heart breaking video is not to identify good-bad guys along the lines of middle east countries or sunni-shia schisms but show what people are capable of doing when they get totally madly fanatic about their fundamentalist religion-ideology of which an important characteristic is the good-us versus bad-them bipolarity.

The issue in Egypt is democracy vs. dictatorship. People shouldn't try to impose their monomanias onto others.
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Ibrahim wrote:The issue in Egypt is democracy vs. dictatorship. People shouldn't try to impose their monomanias onto others.
Indeed. Islamic dictatorships tend to be very cruel, inspiring the fanatic hatefulls within their ranks to impose their monomanias onto others... if not just run them over with tanks.
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Parodite wrote:.

Aza, to me the meaning this heart breaking video is not to identify good-bad guys along the lines of middle east countries or sunni-shia schisms but show what people are capable of doing when they get totally madly fanatic about their fundamentalist religion-ideology of which an important characteristic is the good-us versus bad-them bipolarity.

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Parodite ,

Issue not how population in Egypt or Saudi or Yemen or Dubai or Qatar or Kuwait are

Question why west their friends

That does say something about west


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Parodite wrote:
Ibrahim wrote:The issue in Egypt is democracy vs. dictatorship. People shouldn't try to impose their monomanias onto others.
Indeed. Islamic dictatorships tend to be very cruel, inspiring the fanatic hatefulls within their ranks to impose their monomanias onto others... if not just run them over with tanks.

This comment is incoherent and bears no relation to anything happening in Egypt.
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