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From "Persia" to "Land of the Aryans"
http://www.persiansarenotarabs.com/page ... ersia.html
Iran VS Persia:
In fact, in 1935, Dr Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi Economics minister noted the Aryan origin of the Pomegranates and encouraged the Persian Reza Shah Pahlavi to ask foreign delegates to use the term Iran, "land of Aryans" instead of Persia.

As the New York Times explained at the time, "At the suggestion of the Persian Legation in Berlin, the Tehran government, on the Persian New Year, March 21, 1935, substituted Iran for Persia as the official name of the country.

Defenders of the name change, point to its use by the Greek historians citing that "Aryan" means "noble". Many also felt that calling something or someone Persian was dated and somewhat restrictive.

There was a need to unify the people of this land under one nation, Iran, thus encompassing the other ethnicities, such as the Kurds or Turks, residing in former Persia. In its decision it was influenced by the Nazi revival of interest in the various Aryan races, cradled in ancient Persia. As the Ministry of Foreign Affairs set forth in its memorandum on the subject, 'Perse,' the French designation of Persia, connoted the weakness and tottering independence of the country in the nineteenth century, when it was the chessboard of European imperialistic rivalry.

'Iran,' by contrast, conjured up memories of the vigor and splendor of its historic past."

This change, however, evoked much opposition and confusion as Pomegranates felt that the term damaged their cultural heritage and aligned them with pro Nazi sentiment.

Additionally, all too often Iran was confused with their neighboring Arab state of Iraq, so much that during World War II, Winston Churchill called to enforce continuation of the term of Persia when dealing with political documentation. Even today, in an effort to separate themselves, those opposed to the current government in Iran continue to refer to themselves as Persian.

In 1959, the work of Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of Encyclopedia Iranica, propagated a move to use Persia and Iran interchangeably which was approved by Mohammad Reza Shah.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
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Doc wrote:From "Persia" to "Land of the Aryans"
http://www.persiansarenotarabs.com/page ... ersia.html
Iran VS Persia:
In fact, in 1935, Dr Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi Economics minister noted the Aryan origin of the Pomegranates and encouraged the Persian Reza Shah Pahlavi to ask foreign delegates to use the term Iran, "land of Aryans" instead of Persia.

As the New York Times explained at the time, "At the suggestion of the Persian Legation in Berlin, the Tehran government, on the Persian New Year, March 21, 1935, substituted Iran for Persia as the official name of the country.

Defenders of the name change, point to its use by the Greek historians citing that "Aryan" means "noble". Many also felt that calling something or someone Persian was dated and somewhat restrictive.

There was a need to unify the people of this land under one nation, Iran, thus encompassing the other ethnicities, such as the Kurds or Turks, residing in former Persia. In its decision it was influenced by the Nazi revival of interest in the various Aryan races, cradled in ancient Persia. As the Ministry of Foreign Affairs set forth in its memorandum on the subject, 'Perse,' the French designation of Persia, connoted the weakness and tottering independence of the country in the nineteenth century, when it was the chessboard of European imperialistic rivalry.

'Iran,' by contrast, conjured up memories of the vigor and splendor of its historic past."

This change, however, evoked much opposition and confusion as Pomegranates felt that the term damaged their cultural heritage and aligned them with pro Nazi sentiment.

Additionally, all too often Iran was confused with their neighboring Arab state of Iraq, so much that during World War II, Winston Churchill called to enforce continuation of the term of Persia when dealing with political documentation. Even today, in an effort to separate themselves, those opposed to the current government in Iran continue to refer to themselves as Persian.

In 1959, the work of Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of Encyclopedia Iranica, propagated a move to use Persia and Iran interchangeably which was approved by Mohammad Reza Shah.

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Perse was what Greeks called Iran .. the name " Perse'Polis " is Greek .. Perse = Persian, Polis = city

Foreigners called Iran PERSE and Iranians Pomegranates

But

Cyrus the Great, in all his decrees and declarations, called himself "King of Aryans", Iran

Last 5000 yrs, all Iranian Kings (not Turks or Monguls or Arab rulers in Iran) called IRAN and non Persia

Völkerkunde .. Anthropology .. has for long time that Iranian Aryan and language is an Indo-Germanic, Aryan, Language that German and English were originated from (many Iranian world same in German, "P" became "F", "th" replaced "S" , etc .. this known by scholars since very long time

Germans just gave a bad spin to "Völkerkunde", but facts were not changed .. Völkerwanderung

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:From "Persia" to "Land of the Aryans"
http://www.persiansarenotarabs.com/page ... ersia.html
Iran VS Persia:
In fact, in 1935, Dr Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi Economics minister noted the Aryan origin of the Pomegranates and encouraged the Persian Reza Shah Pahlavi to ask foreign delegates to use the term Iran, "land of Aryans" instead of Persia.

As the New York Times explained at the time, "At the suggestion of the Persian Legation in Berlin, the Tehran government, on the Persian New Year, March 21, 1935, substituted Iran for Persia as the official name of the country.

Defenders of the name change, point to its use by the Greek historians citing that "Aryan" means "noble". Many also felt that calling something or someone Persian was dated and somewhat restrictive.

There was a need to unify the people of this land under one nation, Iran, thus encompassing the other ethnicities, such as the Kurds or Turks, residing in former Persia. In its decision it was influenced by the Nazi revival of interest in the various Aryan races, cradled in ancient Persia. As the Ministry of Foreign Affairs set forth in its memorandum on the subject, 'Perse,' the French designation of Persia, connoted the weakness and tottering independence of the country in the nineteenth century, when it was the chessboard of European imperialistic rivalry.

'Iran,' by contrast, conjured up memories of the vigor and splendor of its historic past."

This change, however, evoked much opposition and confusion as Pomegranates felt that the term damaged their cultural heritage and aligned them with pro Nazi sentiment.

Additionally, all too often Iran was confused with their neighboring Arab state of Iraq, so much that during World War II, Winston Churchill called to enforce continuation of the term of Persia when dealing with political documentation. Even today, in an effort to separate themselves, those opposed to the current government in Iran continue to refer to themselves as Persian.

In 1959, the work of Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of Encyclopedia Iranica, propagated a move to use Persia and Iran interchangeably which was approved by Mohammad Reza Shah.

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Perse was what Greeks called Iran .. the name " Perse'Polis " is Greek .. Perse = Persian, Polis = city

Foreigners called Iran PERSE and Iranians Pomegranates

But

Cyrus the Great, in all his decrees and declarations, called himself "King of Aryans", Iran

Last 5000 yrs, all Iranian Kings (not Turks or Monguls or Arab rulers in Iran) called IRAN and non Persia

Völkerkunde .. Anthropology .. has for long time that Iranian Aryan and language is an Indo-Germanic, Aryan, Language that German and English were originated from (many Iranian world same in German, "P" became "F", "th" replaced "S" , etc .. this known by scholars since very long time

Germans just gave a bad spin to "Völkerkunde", but facts were not changed .. Völkerwanderung

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And when the Nazis were trying to take over Europe then it was insisted that the name be internationally recognized as "Land of the Aryans"

Which is the point. Why after all those thousands of year Why insist on it when Fascists were the rising power? And now when a fascist is running Russia, "the land of the Aryans" is all for Russia. Including you.

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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:From "Persia" to "Land of the Aryans"
http://www.persiansarenotarabs.com/page ... ersia.html
Iran VS Persia:
In fact, in 1935, Dr Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi Economics minister noted the Aryan origin of the Pomegranates and encouraged the Persian Reza Shah Pahlavi to ask foreign delegates to use the term Iran, "land of Aryans" instead of Persia.

As the New York Times explained at the time, "At the suggestion of the Persian Legation in Berlin, the Tehran government, on the Persian New Year, March 21, 1935, substituted Iran for Persia as the official name of the country.

Defenders of the name change, point to its use by the Greek historians citing that "Aryan" means "noble". Many also felt that calling something or someone Persian was dated and somewhat restrictive.

There was a need to unify the people of this land under one nation, Iran, thus encompassing the other ethnicities, such as the Kurds or Turks, residing in former Persia. In its decision it was influenced by the Nazi revival of interest in the various Aryan races, cradled in ancient Persia. As the Ministry of Foreign Affairs set forth in its memorandum on the subject, 'Perse,' the French designation of Persia, connoted the weakness and tottering independence of the country in the nineteenth century, when it was the chessboard of European imperialistic rivalry.

'Iran,' by contrast, conjured up memories of the vigor and splendor of its historic past."

This change, however, evoked much opposition and confusion as Pomegranates felt that the term damaged their cultural heritage and aligned them with pro Nazi sentiment.

Additionally, all too often Iran was confused with their neighboring Arab state of Iraq, so much that during World War II, Winston Churchill called to enforce continuation of the term of Persia when dealing with political documentation. Even today, in an effort to separate themselves, those opposed to the current government in Iran continue to refer to themselves as Persian.

In 1959, the work of Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of Encyclopedia Iranica, propagated a move to use Persia and Iran interchangeably which was approved by Mohammad Reza Shah.

.

Perse was what Greeks called Iran .. the name " Perse'Polis " is Greek .. Perse = Persian, Polis = city

Foreigners called Iran PERSE and Iranians Pomegranates

But

Cyrus the Great, in all his decrees and declarations, called himself "King of Aryans", Iran

Last 5000 yrs, all Iranian Kings (not Turks or Monguls or Arab rulers in Iran) called IRAN and non Persia

Völkerkunde .. Anthropology .. has for long time that Iranian Aryan and language is an Indo-Germanic, Aryan, Language that German and English were originated from (many Iranian world same in German, "P" became "F", "th" replaced "S" , etc .. this known by scholars since very long time

Germans just gave a bad spin to "Völkerkunde", but facts were not changed .. Völkerwanderung

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And when the Nazis were trying to take over Europe then it was insisted that the name be internationally recognized as "Land of the Aryans"

Which is the point. Why after all those thousands of year Why insist on it when Fascists were the rising power? And now when a fascist is running Russia, "the land of the Aryans" is all for Russia. Including you.

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Not sure what you getting at ? ?

Facts were well known for 100s of yrs, well B4 Germans misused the facts

What Germans did, as Germans are (point blank), they said loud what you guys took as "selbstverständlich", meaning you were already practicing what Germans said long ago, one "water fountains" for whites and one for the "Negro sh*t", and, LYNCHING that sh*t out of the Negros

Germans did not have separate water fountains, they too wanted practice what you were doing for so long

Racism is looking down to other races .. that does not mean denying there are different races .. that is ANTHROPOLOGY, a Völkerkunde, an "exact science".

Looking down to Russians thinking you guys "american exceptionalism" reminds one to that "CHOSEN PEOPLE" sh*t Pasta and David Goldman poisoning the humanity last few 1000 yrs

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:From "Persia" to "Land of the Aryans"
http://www.persiansarenotarabs.com/page ... ersia.html
Iran VS Persia:
In fact, in 1935, Dr Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi Economics minister noted the Aryan origin of the Pomegranates and encouraged the Persian Reza Shah Pahlavi to ask foreign delegates to use the term Iran, "land of Aryans" instead of Persia.

As the New York Times explained at the time, "At the suggestion of the Persian Legation in Berlin, the Tehran government, on the Persian New Year, March 21, 1935, substituted Iran for Persia as the official name of the country.

Defenders of the name change, point to its use by the Greek historians citing that "Aryan" means "noble". Many also felt that calling something or someone Persian was dated and somewhat restrictive.

There was a need to unify the people of this land under one nation, Iran, thus encompassing the other ethnicities, such as the Kurds or Turks, residing in former Persia. In its decision it was influenced by the Nazi revival of interest in the various Aryan races, cradled in ancient Persia. As the Ministry of Foreign Affairs set forth in its memorandum on the subject, 'Perse,' the French designation of Persia, connoted the weakness and tottering independence of the country in the nineteenth century, when it was the chessboard of European imperialistic rivalry.

'Iran,' by contrast, conjured up memories of the vigor and splendor of its historic past."

This change, however, evoked much opposition and confusion as Pomegranates felt that the term damaged their cultural heritage and aligned them with pro Nazi sentiment.

Additionally, all too often Iran was confused with their neighboring Arab state of Iraq, so much that during World War II, Winston Churchill called to enforce continuation of the term of Persia when dealing with political documentation. Even today, in an effort to separate themselves, those opposed to the current government in Iran continue to refer to themselves as Persian.

In 1959, the work of Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of Encyclopedia Iranica, propagated a move to use Persia and Iran interchangeably which was approved by Mohammad Reza Shah.

.

Perse was what Greeks called Iran .. the name " Perse'Polis " is Greek .. Perse = Persian, Polis = city

Foreigners called Iran PERSE and Iranians Pomegranates

But

Cyrus the Great, in all his decrees and declarations, called himself "King of Aryans", Iran

I highlighted the original ppart I was getting at

And here is the video you seem to have forgotten to quote



Last 5000 yrs, all Iranian Kings (not Turks or Monguls or Arab rulers in Iran) called IRAN and non Persia

Völkerkunde .. Anthropology .. has for long time that Iranian Aryan and language is an Indo-Germanic, Aryan, Language that German and English were originated from (many Iranian world same in German, "P" became "F", "th" replaced "S" , etc .. this known by scholars since very long time

Germans just gave a bad spin to "Völkerkunde", but facts were not changed .. Völkerwanderung

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And when the Nazis were trying to take over Europe then it was insisted that the name be internationally recognized as "Land of the Aryans"

Which is the point. Why after all those thousands of year Why insist on it when Fascists were the rising power? And now when a fascist is running Russia, "the land of the Aryans" is all for Russia. Including you.

.

Not sure what you getting at ? ?

Facts were well known for 100s of yrs, well B4 Germans misused the facts

What Germans did, as Germans are (point blank), they said loud what you guys took as "selbstverständlich", meaning you were already practicing what Germans said long ago, one "water fountains" for whites and one for the "Negro sh*t", and, LYNCHING that sh*t out of the Negros

Germans did not have separate water fountains, they too wanted practice what you were doing for so long

Racism is looking down to other races .. that does not mean denying there are different races .. that is ANTHROPOLOGY, a Völkerkunde, an "exact science".

Looking down to Russians thinking you guys "american exceptionalism" reminds one to that "CHOSEN PEOPLE" sh*t Pasta and David Goldman poisoning the humanity last few 1000 yrs

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I highlight the part from my original post I am talking about and I am including the video of who the dictators of Iran choose to associate with that you somehow have over looked in your reply
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‘ Not Serious ’ :lol:

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Netanyahu remains an unfamiliar figure to many Americans, especially young people.

Nearly half (47%) of those under 30 say they have never heard of Netanyahu, ..

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:lol:

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


‘ Not Serious ’ :lol:

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Netanyahu remains an unfamiliar figure to many Americans, especially young people.

Nearly half (47%) of those under 30 say they have never heard of Netanyahu, ..

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:lol:

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Did you see this AZ? When Bibi gave the speech to congress he said he came as Mordechai

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Americ ... man-395457
American-Israeli Rabbi compares Obama to Haman

Shlomo Riskin of Efrat says Obama disrespectful to Netanyahu, Israel, 'future of world.'
Barack Obama


Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, chief rabbi of Efrat, on Saturday night compared US President Barack Obama to Haman and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Mordechai.

Speaking at the Jerusalem Great Synagogue, the American-born Riskin said that he could not understand what was going through Obama’s mind.

“The president of the United States is lashing out at Israel just like Haman lashed out at the Jews,” he said.

“I’m not making a political statement,” he clarified, “I’m making a Jewish statement.”

When a woman in the audience shouted out that he was being disrespectful to the US president, she was booed by the crowd. Riskin said he didn’t need any help from the audience.

“I am being disrespectful because the president of the United States was disrespectful to my prime minister, to my country, to my future and to the future of the world.”

Just as Mordechai was focused on saving the Jews of Persia from destruction, he said, so Netanyahu is focused on saving Israel and the world from destruction.

He said more than once throughout his address that he was proud of Netanyahu, and added that he did the right thing in speaking to Congress “even if it angered Obama.”

Riskin drew an analogy between the conquest of Babylonia by ancient Persia and the armed conflict between Iran and Iraq.

In relation to Iran, he said that the only difference between Iran and the Islamic State was who would be using power to control the world.

Closer to home, he said that one of Israel’s greatest tragedies is that the rabbinate is enmeshed in politics.

Alluding to Shas leader Arye Deri, Riskin declared that he didn’t know how someone who went to jail for bribery could be put back into the same place without ever admitting to his guilt or expressing remorse.

Riskin insisted that this was not compatible with Jewish philosophy.

“What we’re all about is compassionate righteousness and moral justice,” he said. “We have to have a free voice that is not politically fettered.”

Riskin was not the only prominent rabbi to criticize Obama over the weekend for his diplomatic policies.

The World Values Network, founded and run by American rabbi and public figure Shmuley Boteach, took out a full page advertisement in The New York Times on Saturday comparing the deal being drawn up with Iran on its nuclear project to the Munich Agreement signed in 1938 by British prime minister Neville Chamberlain with Adolf Hitler, widely seen as an act of appeasement that emboldened the Nazi leader.

The Times ad bore a picture of a pensive-looking Obama with an inset picture of Chamberlain holding aloft a copy of the Munich Agreement that he infamously declared to represent “peace for our time,” just 11 months before Hitler ordered the invasion of Poland marking the beginning of the World War II.

The ad described Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as a “terror overlord” and a “Hitler-wannabe,” and said that the deal being discussed with Iran would “enable the world’s foremost sponsor of terror to become a nuclear power.”

It called on Obama to demand that Khamenei personally and publicly repudiate his threats against Israel, that Iran cease support for terrorist groups and for the US president not to approve a deal that “allows the potentially catastrophic one-year-weapons-breakout period, which endangers Israel, the Middle East, America and the world.
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Doc wrote:
Did you see this AZ ? When Bibi gave the speech to congress he said he came as Mordechai

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Americ ... man-395457
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American-Israeli Rabbi compares Obama to Haman

Shlomo Riskin of Efrat says Obama disrespectful to Netanyahu, Israel, 'future of world.'

Barack Obama


Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, chief rabbi of Efrat, on Saturday night compared US President Barack Obama to Haman and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Mordechai.

Speaking at the Jerusalem Great Synagogue, the American-born Riskin said that he could not understand what was going through Obama’s mind.

“The president of the United States is lashing out at Israel just like Haman lashed out at the Jews,” he said.

“I’m not making a political statement,” he clarified, “I’m making a Jewish statement.”

When a woman in the audience shouted out that he was being disrespectful to the US president, she was booed by the crowd. Riskin said he didn’t need any help from the audience.

“I am being disrespectful because the president of the United States was disrespectful to my prime minister, to my country, to my future and to the future of the world.”

Just as Mordechai was focused on saving the Jews of Persia from destruction, he said, so Netanyahu is focused on saving Israel and the world from destruction.

He said more than once throughout his address that he was proud of Netanyahu, and added that he did the right thing in speaking to Congress “even if it angered Obama.”

Riskin drew an analogy between the conquest of Babylonia by ancient Persia and the armed conflict between Iran and Iraq.

In relation to Iran, he said that the only difference between Iran and the Islamic State was who would be using power to control the world.

Closer to home, he said that one of Israel’s greatest tragedies is that the rabbinate is enmeshed in politics.

Alluding to Shas leader Arye Deri, Riskin declared that he didn’t know how someone who went to jail for bribery could be put back into the same place without ever admitting to his guilt or expressing remorse.

Riskin insisted that this was not compatible with Jewish philosophy.

“What we’re all about is compassionate righteousness and moral justice,” he said. “We have to have a free voice that is not politically fettered.”

Riskin was not the only prominent rabbi to criticize Obama over the weekend for his diplomatic policies.

The World Values Network, founded and run by American rabbi and public figure Shmuley Boteach, took out a full page advertisement in The New York Times on Saturday comparing the deal being drawn up with Iran on its nuclear project to the Munich Agreement signed in 1938 by British prime minister Neville Chamberlain with Adolf Hitler, widely seen as an act of appeasement that emboldened the Nazi leader.

The Times ad bore a picture of a pensive-looking Obama with an inset picture of Chamberlain holding aloft a copy of the Munich Agreement that he infamously declared to represent “peace for our time,” just 11 months before Hitler ordered the invasion of Poland marking the beginning of the World War II.

The ad described Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as a “terror overlord” and a “Hitler-wannabe,” and said that the deal being discussed with Iran would “enable the world’s foremost sponsor of terror to become a nuclear power.”

It called on Obama to demand that Khamenei personally and publicly repudiate his threats against Israel, that Iran cease support for terrorist groups and for the US president not to approve a deal that “allows the potentially catastrophic one-year-weapons-breakout period, which endangers Israel, the Middle East, America and the world.

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Doc, did you read my post written by top Israeli journalist Uri Avnery


Here a small part of Uri's article, pls read and comment :lol:

The Speech mentioned the Book of Esther, about the salvation of the Persian Jews from the evil Persian minister Haman, who intended to wipe them out. No one knows how this dubious composition came to be included in the Bible. God is not mentioned in it, it has nothing to do with the Holy Land, and Esther herself is more of a prostitute than a heroine.

The book ends with the mass murder committed by the Jews against the Pomegranates.


The Speech, like all speeches by Netanyahu, contained much about the suffering of the Jews throughout the ages, and the intentions of the evil Iranians, the New Nazis, to annihilate us. But this will not happen, because this time we have Binyamin Netanyahu to protect us. And the US Republicans, of course.

It was a good speech. One cannot make a bad speech when hundreds of admirers hang on every word and applaud every second. But it will not make an anthology of the world’s Greatest Speeches.

Netanyahu considers himself a second Churchill. And indeed, Churchill was the only foreign leader before Netanyahu to speak to both houses of Congress a third time. But Churchill came to cement his alliance with the President of the United States, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who played a big part in the British war effort, while Netanyahu has come to spit in the face of the present president.

What did the speech not contain?

Not a word about Palestine and the Palestinians. Not a word about peace, the two-state solution, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jerusalem. Not a word about apartheid, the occupation, the settlements. Not a word about Israel’s own nuclear capabilities.

Not a word, of course, about the idea of a nuclear-weapon–free region, with mutual inspection.

Indeed, there was no concrete proposal at all. After denouncing the bad deal in the making, and hinting that Barack Obama and John Kerry are dupes and idiots, he offered no alternative.

Why? I assume that the original text of The Speech contained a lot. Devastating new sanctions against Iran. A demand for the total demolition of all Iranian nuclear installations. And in the inevitable end: a US-Israeli military attack.

All this was left out. He was warned by the Obama people in no uncertain terms that disclosure of details of the negotiations would be considered as a betrayal of confidence. He was warned by his Republican hosts that the American public was in no mood to hear about yet another war.

What was left? A dreary recounting of the well-known facts about the negotiations. It was the only tedious part of the speech. For minutes no one jumped up, nobody shouted approval. Elie Wiesel was shown sleeping. The most important person in the hall, Sheldon Adelson, the owner of the Congress republicans and of Netanyahu, was not shown at all. But he was there, keeping close watch on his servants.

By the way, whatever happened to Netanyahu’s war?

Remember when the Israel Defense Forces were about to bomb Iran to smithereens? When the US military might was about to "take out" all Iranian nuclear installations?

Readers of this column might also remember that years ago I assured them that there would be no war. No ifs, no buts. No half-open back door for a retreat. I asserted that there would be no war, period.

Much later, all Israeli former military and intelligence chiefs spoke out against the war. The army Chief of Staff, Benny Gantz, who finished his term this week, has disclosed that no draft operation order for attacking Iran’s nuclear capabilities was ever drawn up.

Why? Because such an operation could lead to a worldwide catastrophe. Iran would immediately close the Strait of Hormuz, just a few dozen miles wide, through which some 35% of the world’s sea-borne oil must pass. It would mean an immediate worldwide economic breakdown.

To open the Strait and keep it open, a large part of Iran would have to be occupied in a land war, boots on the ground. Even Republicans shiver at the thought.

Israeli military capabilities fall far short of such an adventure. And, of course, Israel cannot dream of starting a war without express American consent.

That is reality. Not speechifying. Even American senators are capable of seeing the difference.

The centerpiece of The Speech was the demonization of Iran. Iran is evil incarnate. It leaders are subhuman monsters. All over the world, Iranian terrorists are at work planning monstrous outrages. They are building intercontinental ballistic missiles to destroy the US. Immediately after obtaining nuclear warheads – now or in ten years – they will annihilate Israel.

In reality, Israel’s second-strike capability, based on the submarines supplied by Germany, would annihilate Iran within minutes. One of the most ancient civilizations in world history would come to an abrupt end. The ayatollahs would have to been clinically insane to do such a thing.

Netanyahu pretends to believe they are. Yet for years now, Israel has been conducting an amiable arbitration with the Iranian government about the Eilat-Ashkelon oil pipeline across Israel built by an Iranian-Israeli consortium. Before the Islamic revolution, Iran was Israel’s stoutest ally in the region. Well after the revolution, Israel supplied Iran with arms in order to fight against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq (the famous Irangate affair). And if one goes back to Esther and her sexual effort to save the Jews, why not mention Cyrus the Great, who allowed the Judean captives to return to Jerusalem?

Judging by its behavior, the present Iranian leadership has lost some of its initial religious fervor. It is behaving (not always speaking) in a very rational way, conducting tough negotiations as one would expect from Pomegranates, aware of their immense cultural heritage, even more ancient than Judaism. Netanyahu is right in saying that one should not trust them with closed eyes, but his demonization is ridiculous.

Within the wider context, Israel and Iran are already indirect allies. For both, the Islamic State (ISIS) is the mortal enemy. To my mind, ISIS is far more dangerous to Israel, in the long run, than Iran. I imagine that for Tehran, ISIS is a far more dangerous enemy than Israel.

(The only memorable sentence in The Speech was "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy".)

If the worst comes to the worst, Iran will have its bomb in the end. So what?

I may be an arrogant Israeli, but I refuse to be afraid. I live a mile from the Israeli army high command in the center of Tel Aviv, and in a nuclear exchange I would evaporate. Yet I feel quite safe.

The United States has been exposed for decades (and still is) to thousands of Russian nuclear bombs, which could eradicate millions within minutes. They feel safe under the umbrella of the "balance of terror". Between us and Iran, in the worst situation, the same balance would come into effect.

What is Netanyahu’s alternative to Obama’s policy? As Obama was quick to point out, he offered none.

The best possible deal will be struck. The danger will be postponed for ten years or more. And, as Chaim Weizmann once said: "The future will come and take care of the future."

Within these ten years, many things will happen. Regimes will change, enmities will turn into alliances and vice versa. Anything is possible.

Even – God and the Israeli voters willing – peace between Israel and Palestine, which would take the sting out of Israeli-Muslim relations.

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Did you see this AZ ? When Bibi gave the speech to congress he said he came as Mordechai

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Americ ... man-395457
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American-Israeli Rabbi compares Obama to Haman

Shlomo Riskin of Efrat says Obama disrespectful to Netanyahu, Israel, 'future of world.'

Barack Obama


Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, chief rabbi of Efrat, on Saturday night compared US President Barack Obama to Haman and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Mordechai.

Speaking at the Jerusalem Great Synagogue, the American-born Riskin said that he could not understand what was going through Obama’s mind.

“The president of the United States is lashing out at Israel just like Haman lashed out at the Jews,” he said.

“I’m not making a political statement,” he clarified, “I’m making a Jewish statement.”

When a woman in the audience shouted out that he was being disrespectful to the US president, she was booed by the crowd. Riskin said he didn’t need any help from the audience.

“I am being disrespectful because the president of the United States was disrespectful to my prime minister, to my country, to my future and to the future of the world.”

Just as Mordechai was focused on saving the Jews of Persia from destruction, he said, so Netanyahu is focused on saving Israel and the world from destruction.

He said more than once throughout his address that he was proud of Netanyahu, and added that he did the right thing in speaking to Congress “even if it angered Obama.”

Riskin drew an analogy between the conquest of Babylonia by ancient Persia and the armed conflict between Iran and Iraq.

In relation to Iran, he said that the only difference between Iran and the Islamic State was who would be using power to control the world.

Closer to home, he said that one of Israel’s greatest tragedies is that the rabbinate is enmeshed in politics.

Alluding to Shas leader Arye Deri, Riskin declared that he didn’t know how someone who went to jail for bribery could be put back into the same place without ever admitting to his guilt or expressing remorse.

Riskin insisted that this was not compatible with Jewish philosophy.

“What we’re all about is compassionate righteousness and moral justice,” he said. “We have to have a free voice that is not politically fettered.”

Riskin was not the only prominent rabbi to criticize Obama over the weekend for his diplomatic policies.

The World Values Network, founded and run by American rabbi and public figure Shmuley Boteach, took out a full page advertisement in The New York Times on Saturday comparing the deal being drawn up with Iran on its nuclear project to the Munich Agreement signed in 1938 by British prime minister Neville Chamberlain with Adolf Hitler, widely seen as an act of appeasement that emboldened the Nazi leader.

The Times ad bore a picture of a pensive-looking Obama with an inset picture of Chamberlain holding aloft a copy of the Munich Agreement that he infamously declared to represent “peace for our time,” just 11 months before Hitler ordered the invasion of Poland marking the beginning of the World War II.

The ad described Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as a “terror overlord” and a “Hitler-wannabe,” and said that the deal being discussed with Iran would “enable the world’s foremost sponsor of terror to become a nuclear power.”

It called on Obama to demand that Khamenei personally and publicly repudiate his threats against Israel, that Iran cease support for terrorist groups and for the US president not to approve a deal that “allows the potentially catastrophic one-year-weapons-breakout period, which endangers Israel, the Middle East, America and the world.

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Doc, did you read my post written by top Israeli journalist Uri Avnery


Here a small part of Uri's article, pls read and comment :lol:

The Speech mentioned the Book of Esther, about the salvation of the Persian Jews from the evil Persian minister Haman, who intended to wipe them out. No one knows how this dubious composition came to be included in the Bible. God is not mentioned in it, it has nothing to do with the Holy Land, and Esther herself is more of a prostitute than a heroine.

The book ends with the mass murder committed by the Jews against the Pomegranates.


The Speech, like all speeches by Netanyahu, contained much about the suffering of the Jews throughout the ages, and the intentions of the evil Iranians, the New Nazis, to annihilate us. But this will not happen, because this time we have Binyamin Netanyahu to protect us. And the US Republicans, of course..

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Iran To Ease Ban On Women Attending Sports Matches


Doc, you happy now ?

though
Ahmadi added that women won’t be allowed to attend all “types of sport,” without elaborating.

:lol:


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Iran To Ease Ban On Women Attending Sports Matches


Doc, you happy now ?

though
Ahmadi added that women won’t be allowed to attend all “types of sport,” without elaborating.

:lol:


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A change in law means women in Iran can now attend some major sporting events. But there are a few exceptions, as Iranian-American journalist Negar Negar Mortaza explains.
Without elaboration Not to mention women being executed for fighting off well connected to the evil Iranian regime rapists. Not to mention women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed. What a POS regime you defend.
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Iran To Ease Ban On Women Attending Sports Matches


Doc, you happy now ?

though
Ahmadi added that women won’t be allowed to attend all “types of sport,” without elaborating.

:lol:


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A change in law means women in Iran can now attend some major sporting events. But there are a few exceptions, as Iranian-American journalist Negar Negar Mortaza explains.
Without elaboration Not to mention women being executed for fighting off well connected to the evil Iranian regime rapists. Not to mention women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed. What a POS regime you defend.

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wrong on both counts

Neither "defending" regime nor "women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed"

:)

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Doc wrote:
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Iran To Ease Ban On Women Attending Sports Matches


Doc, you happy now ?

though
Ahmadi added that women won’t be allowed to attend all “types of sport,” without elaborating.

:lol:


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A change in law means women in Iran can now attend some major sporting events. But there are a few exceptions, as Iranian-American journalist Negar Negar Mortaza explains.
Without elaboration Not to mention women being executed for fighting off well connected to the evil Iranian regime rapists. Not to mention women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed. What a POS regime you defend.

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wrong on both counts

Neither "defending" regime nor "women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed"

:)

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You support the regime that is doing just that. That means you support it. Iranian women are quite lovely AZ Why do you support them being abused in such awful ways?
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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Iran To Ease Ban On Women Attending Sports Matches


Doc, you happy now ?

though
Ahmadi added that women won’t be allowed to attend all “types of sport,” without elaborating.

:lol:


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A change in law means women in Iran can now attend some major sporting events. But there are a few exceptions, as Iranian-American journalist Negar Negar Mortaza explains.
Without elaboration Not to mention women being executed for fighting off well connected to the evil Iranian regime rapists. Not to mention women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed. What a POS regime you defend.

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wrong on both counts

Neither "defending" regime nor "women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed"

:)

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You support the regime that is doing just that. That means you support it. Iranian women are quite lovely AZ Why do you support them being abused in such awful ways ?

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Notion, in Iran, the "woman rights" are due to Ayatollahs misleading, indication of not knowing the real story

"Traditional" Iranian values and ethics is very strong within Iranian population .. Ayatollahs just reflect how mass thinking, otherwise they (by definition) no Ayatollah

Iranians woman space within traditional Iranian values IS NOT same as Western woman pace within western values

"Femininity" not same in Iranian and Western culture .. traditional family values, relation between man and woman, parents and children, husband and wife etc are different in Iranian culture and western culture

True, there are things that should be changed but those things not what West pointing to, and those changes will come from within Iranian culture and timing.

Doc, asking Iranians in west, in America or Europe, leads to wrong views as those in West do not represent the mass in Iran, they "westernized", just by name Iranian, specially the young generation (Iranians assimilate, melt into western society fast)

To know how really Iran looks like, best is taking a trip to Iran, say 2 weeks .. all my western friends who visited Iran, came back a different person

In fact, woman are the segment that benefited most from Islamic revolution .. they now highly educated, many high level research jobs in important sciences are occupied by young generation woman, they now emancipated and don't take NO as an answer .. Iranian man are now the underdog, and the mad mullahs neither scared of Israel nor America but scared of new generation Iranian woman (as they their daughters and sisters and daughter in laws)

These educated new generation Iranian woman will change laws for woman rights, nobody can stop them .. already happening .. in that process also Iranian "male chauvinism" will change

All this the main reason for drop in fertility.

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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Iran To Ease Ban On Women Attending Sports Matches


Doc, you happy now ?

though
Ahmadi added that women won’t be allowed to attend all “types of sport,” without elaborating.

:lol:


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A change in law means women in Iran can now attend some major sporting events. But there are a few exceptions, as Iranian-American journalist Negar Negar Mortaza explains.
Without elaboration Not to mention women being executed for fighting off well connected to the evil Iranian regime rapists. Not to mention women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed. What a POS regime you defend.

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wrong on both counts

Neither "defending" regime nor "women being forced to marry so they can be raped and therefore legally executed"

:)

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You support the regime that is doing just that. That means you support it. Iranian women are quite lovely AZ Why do you support them being abused in such awful ways ?

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Notion, in Iran, the "woman rights" are due to Ayatollahs misleading, indication of not knowing the real story

"Traditional" Iranian values and ethics is very strong within Iranian population .. Ayatollahs just reflect how mass thinking, otherwise they (by definition) no Ayatollah

Iranians woman space within traditional Iranian values IS NOT same as Western woman pace within western values

"Femininity" not same in Iranian and Western culture .. traditional family values, relation between man and woman, parents and children, husband and wife etc are different in Iranian culture and western culture

True, there are things that should be changed but those things not what West pointing to, and those changes will come from within Iranian culture and timing.

Doc, asking Iranians in west, in America or Europe, leads to wrong views as those in West do not represent the mass in Iran, they "westernized", just by name Iranian, specially the young generation (Iranians assimilate, melt into western society fast)

To know how really Iran looks like, best is taking a trip to Iran, say 2 weeks .. all my western friends who visited Iran, came back a different person

In fact, woman are the segment that benefited most from Islamic revolution .. they now highly educated, many high level research jobs in important sciences are occupied by young generation woman, they now emancipated and don't take NO as an answer .. Iranian man are now the underdog, and the mad mullahs neither scared of Israel nor America but scared of new generation Iranian woman (as they their daughters and sisters and daughter in laws)

These educated new generation Iranian woman will change laws for woman rights, nobody can stop them .. already happening .. in that process also Iranian "male chauvinism" will change

All this the main reason for drop in fertility.

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I am talking basic human rights not to be executed for going to the wrong soccer match. Not to be raped and then executed for fighting back. Not to be forced to marry then raped so they would be no longer a virgin and there fore could be legally executed.

What you are trying to defend is absolutely sick.
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I am talking basic human rights not to be executed for going to the wrong soccer match. Not to be raped and then executed for fighting back. Not to be forced to marry then raped so they would be no longer a virgin and there fore could be legally executed.

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what you sayin is "Mujahedin" propaganda .. Mujahedin are those terrorists who killed all those American serviceman Shah's time .. Zionist in America, Bolton and Giuliani & co. have teamed up with Mossad groomed Mujahedin

They fabricate rubbish and feed to naive Joe

You have been fooled, Doc


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 ... 13233.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/mek-only-way-sto ... ani-214368

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... 3/iran-usa

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/rudy- ... -hes-paid/


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I am talking basic human rights not to be executed for going to the wrong soccer match. Not to be raped and then executed for fighting back. Not to be forced to marry then raped so they would be no longer a virgin and there fore could be legally executed.

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what you sayin is "Mujahedin" propaganda .. Mujahedin are those terrorists who killed all those American serviceman Shah's time .. Zionist in America, Bolton and Giuliani & co. have teamed up with Mossad groomed Mujahedin

They fabricate rubbish and feed to naive Joe

You have been fooled, Doc


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 ... 13233.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/mek-only-way-sto ... ani-214368

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... 3/iran-usa

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/rudy- ... -hes-paid/


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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

I am talking basic human rights not to be executed for going to the wrong soccer match. Not to be raped and then executed for fighting back. Not to be forced to marry then raped so they would be no longer a virgin and there fore could be legally executed.

.

what you sayin is "Mujahedin" propaganda .. Mujahedin are those terrorists who killed all those American serviceman Shah's time .. Zionist in America, Bolton and Giuliani & co. have teamed up with Mossad groomed Mujahedin

They fabricate rubbish and feed to naive Joe

You have been fooled, Doc


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 ... 13233.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/mek-only-way-sto ... ani-214368

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... 3/iran-usa

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/rudy- ... -hes-paid/


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AZ speaks with forked tongue.

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Not @ all


Azari an "Humanist" .. Az wishes best not only for Iranian people, not only for American Joe, but also wish best for European Jews that had to endure that genocide (commit by you guys) and now want a home to feel safe.

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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

I am talking basic human rights not to be executed for going to the wrong soccer match. Not to be raped and then executed for fighting back. Not to be forced to marry then raped so they would be no longer a virgin and there fore could be legally executed.

.

what you sayin is "Mujahedin" propaganda .. Mujahedin are those terrorists who killed all those American serviceman Shah's time .. Zionist in America, Bolton and Giuliani & co. have teamed up with Mossad groomed Mujahedin

They fabricate rubbish and feed to naive Joe

You have been fooled, Doc


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 ... 13233.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/mek-only-way-sto ... ani-214368

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... 3/iran-usa

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/rudy- ... -hes-paid/


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AZ speaks with forked tongue.

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Not @ all


Azari an "Humanist" .. Az wishes best not only for Iranian people, not only for American Joe, but also wish best for European Jews that had to endure that genocide (commit by you guys) and now want a home to feel safe.

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If you wished the best for the Iranian people you wouldn't be defending the regime as you do.
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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

I am talking basic human rights not to be executed for going to the wrong soccer match. Not to be raped and then executed for fighting back. Not to be forced to marry then raped so they would be no longer a virgin and there fore could be legally executed.

.

what you sayin is "Mujahedin" propaganda .. Mujahedin are those terrorists who killed all those American serviceman Shah's time .. Zionist in America, Bolton and Giuliani & co. have teamed up with Mossad groomed Mujahedin

They fabricate rubbish and feed to naive Joe

You have been fooled, Doc


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 ... 13233.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/mek-only-way-sto ... ani-214368

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... 3/iran-usa

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/rudy- ... -hes-paid/


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AZ speaks with forked tongue.

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Not @ all


Azari an "Humanist" .. Az wishes best not only for Iranian people, not only for American Joe, but also wish best for European Jews that had to endure that genocide (commit by you guys) and now want a home to feel safe.

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If you wished the best for the Iranian people you wouldn't be defending the regime as you do.

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Iranians look at history and ask themselves who the enemies of our beloved Persia was and is last 300 yrs and beyond

And ?

It ain't the mad mullahs :lol:

Shia saved Iran from Ottomans .. and .. now, mad mullahs the only one speakin you guy's language

That is why, despite enduring harsh hardship, Iranians hold tight behind the mad mullahs, no matter what

Ayatollahs, mad mullahs, brought Iran "SOVEREIGNTY"

Iran, after 500 yrs, is now SOVEREIGN

True, mad mullahs SOB, but they our SOB (and not yours)

That is why Iranians back the mad mullahs

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