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Endovelico wrote:
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

However, it is disappointing to note that much of the world thinks in this way.

Also, it is a rather amusing that Spenglerman had Azari banned, and Spenglerman's own views and writings mirror those of Azari.
For example, his ongoing obsession with demonizing Iran and Iranian culture.

Of course, both are equally offensive.
Not to mention those who are obsessed with demonizing Russia, Russian culture and Putin... Or isn't that offensive?...
Providing some balance.

No interest in have this site become a tool for Putino's agitprop.
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No interest in have this site become a tool for Putino's agitprop.
Much better to have it becoming a tool for US/NATO agitprop...
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Endovelico wrote:
No interest in have this site become a tool for Putino's agitprop.
Much better to have it becoming a tool for US/NATO agitprop...
If you don't approve, the you're free to start your own site and run it how you see fit.

In the West, unlike in Putino's Russia, one is still able to do so.
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Typhoon wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
No interest in have this site become a tool for Putino's agitprop.
Much better to have it becoming a tool for US/NATO agitprop...
Start your own site and run it how you see fit.

In the West, unlike in Putino's Russia, one is still able to do so.
This is the Israel thread, btw, so stay on topic.
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http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-recognize ... 19446.html


Vatican Sign First Treaty With ‘State of Palestine’

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ROME—The Vatican announced Wednesday that it would soon sign its first treaty with the “State of Palestine,” . .

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Folks, idiots come in many forms and shapes .. BiBi thought can play smartass by importing all those Russian and Ukrainian and Latvian criminal freeloaders, bulldozing Pali homes and Olive groves will cement Zionist invasion of Palestine .. it ain't

Now Israel pretty much has become "illegitimate", come next UN assembly, probably even America could be on the other side of the fence.

American Jews distancing from Israel, Europe back to old good days (using North Africans as fig leaf to hide European anti semitism).

BiBi probably working for the mad mullahs :lol:

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Hassan Nasrallah leader of Hizbullah stressed in a speech today July 28th that conflicts between Muslims enable Israel to try normalizing its relations with several Muslim states, warning against that trick.

He reiterated that in spite of all ordeals, the day will come when “Israel, the cancerous tumor, will be wiped out"

(From Hizbullah's Al Manar)
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The Treaty
by Uri Avnery

[...]

WHAT HAS the Islamic Republic ever done in its 45 years of existence to harm Israel?

Sure. Tehran crowds can be seen on television burning Israeli flags and shouting "Death to Israel". They call us, not flatteringly, "the Little Satan", as compared to the American "Great Satan".

Terrible. But what else?

Not much. Perhaps some support for Hezbollah and Hamas, which were not their creation. Iran's real fight is against the powers that be in the Muslim world. They want to turn the region's countries into Iranian vassals, as they were 2400 years ago.

This has very little to do with Islam. Iran uses Islam as Israel uses Zionism and the Jewish Diaspora (and as Russia in the past used communism) as a tool for its imperial ambitions.

What is happening now in this region resembles the "religious wars" in 17th century Europe. A dozen countries fought each other in the name of religion, under the flags of Catholicism and Protestantism, but in reality using religion to further their very earthly imperial designs.

The US, led by a bunch of neocon fools, destroyed Iraq, which for many centuries had served as the bulwark of the Arab world against Iranian expansion. Now, under the banner of the Shia, Iran is expanding its power all over the Region.

Shiite Iraq is now to a large extent an Iranian vassal (we'll come back to Daesh). The leaders of Syria, a Sunni country ruled by a small semi-Shiite sect, depend on Iran for their survival. In Lebanon, the Shiite Hezbollah is a close ally with growing power and prestige. So is Hamas in Gaza, which is entirely Sunni. And the Houthi rebels in Yemen, who are Zaidis (a school of the Shia.)

The status quo in the Arab world is defended by a corrupt bunch of dictators and medieval sheiks, such as the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Gulf oil potentates.

Clearly, Iran and its allies are the wave of the future, Saudi Arabia and its allies belong to the past.

That leaves Daesh, the Sunni "Islamic State" in Syria and Iraq. That is also a rising power. Unlike Iran, whose revolutionary élan long ago exhausted itself, Daesh is radiating revolutionary fervor, attracting adherents from all over the world.

Daesh is the real enemy of Iran – and of Israel.

PRESIDENT OBAMA and his advisors realized this some time ago. Their new alliance with Iran is partly based on this reality.

With the advent of Daesh, realities on the ground have changed completely. The shift reaffirms the old British maxim that one's enemies in one war can well become one's allies in the next, and vice versa. Far from being naïve, Obama is building an alliance against the new and very dangerous enemy. This alliance should logically include Bashar Assad's Syria, but Obama is still afraid of saying so aloud.

Obama and his advisors also believe that with the lifting of the crippling sanctions, Iranians will concentrate on making money, lessening their nationalist and religious fervor even more. That sounds reasonable enough.

(Netanyahu thinks the American people are "naïve". Well, for a naïve nation the US has done quite well in becoming the world's only super-power.)

One by-product of the situation is that Israel is again at loggerheads with the entire political world. The Vienna treaty was signed not just by the US, but by all leading world powers. This seems to create the situation described by a jolly popular Israeli song: "The whole world is against us / But we don't give a damn…"

Unfortunately, unlike Obama, Netanyahu is stuck in the past. He continues demonizing Iran, instead of joining it in the fight against Daesh, which is far, far more dangerous to Israel.

One does not have to go back to Cyrus the Great (6th century B.C.) to realize that Iran can be a close ally. In the relations between nations, geography trumps religion. Not so long ago, Iran was Israel's closest ally in the region. We even sent Khomeini arms to fight Iraq. The mad mullahs hate Israel not so much because of their religion, but because of our alliance with the Shah.

The present Iranian regime has long since lost its revolutionary religious fervor. It is acting according to its national interests. Geography still counts. A wise Israeli government would use the next ten-or-more years of a guaranteed nuclear-free Iran in order to renew the alliance – especially against Daesh.

This could mean new relations with Assad's Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas too.

BUT SUCH far-reaching considerations are far from the mind of Netanyahu, the son of a historian, who is devoid of any historical knowledge or intuition.

The fight is now going to Washington DC, where Netanyahu will be fully committed as a mercenary of Sheldon Adelson, the owner of the Republican Party.

It is a sorry sight: the State of Israel, which has always enjoyed the full unblinking support of both American parties, has become an appendix of the reactionary Republican leadership.

One victim of this is the legend of the "invincible" pro-Israeli lobby. This crucial asset has now been lost. From now on, AIPAC will be just one of the many lobbies on Capitol Hill.

AN EVEN sorrier sight is Israel's political and media elite on the morrow of the signing of the Vienna treaty. It was almost incredible.

Almost all political parties fell in line with Netanyahu's policy, competing with each other in their demonstrations of abject loyalty. From the "leader of the opposition", the pitiful Yitzhak Herzog, to the voluble Yair Lapid, everybody rushed to support the Prime Minister at this crucial hour.

The media were even worse. Almost all prominent commentators, left and right, ran amok against the 'disastrous" treaty and heaped their uniform disgust and contempt on poor Obama, as if reading from a prepared government "list of arguments" (as indeed they were).

Not the finest hour of Israeli democracy and the much lauded "Jewish brain". Just a despicable example of all-too-common brain-washing. Some would call it presstitution.

One of Netanyahu's arguments is that the Iranians can and will cheat the naive Americans and build the bomb. He is sure that this is possible. Well, he should know. We did it, didn't we?
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YMix wrote:
The Treaty
by Uri Avnery

[...]

WHAT HAS the Islamic Republic ever done in its 45 years of existence to harm Israel?

Sure. Tehran crowds can be seen on television burning Israeli flags and shouting "Death to Israel". They call us, not flatteringly, "the Little Satan", as compared to the American "Great Satan".

Terrible. But what else?

Not much. Perhaps some support for Hezbollah and Hamas, which were not their creation. Iran's real fight is against the powers that be in the Muslim world. They want to turn the region's countries into Iranian vassals, as they were 2400 years ago.

This has very little to do with Islam. Iran uses Islam as Israel uses Zionism and the Jewish Diaspora (and as Russia in the past used communism) as a tool for its imperial ambitions.

What is happening now in this region resembles the "religious wars" in 17th century Europe. A dozen countries fought each other in the name of religion, under the flags of Catholicism and Protestantism, but in reality using religion to further their very earthly imperial designs.

The US, led by a bunch of neocon fools, destroyed Iraq, which for many centuries had served as the bulwark of the Arab world against Iranian expansion. Now, under the banner of the Shia, Iran is expanding its power all over the Region.

Shiite Iraq is now to a large extent an Iranian vassal (we'll come back to Daesh). The leaders of Syria, a Sunni country ruled by a small semi-Shiite sect, depend on Iran for their survival. In Lebanon, the Shiite Hezbollah is a close ally with growing power and prestige. So is Hamas in Gaza, which is entirely Sunni. And the Houthi rebels in Yemen, who are Zaidis (a school of the Shia.)

The status quo in the Arab world is defended by a corrupt bunch of dictators and medieval sheiks, such as the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Gulf oil potentates.

Clearly, Iran and its allies are the wave of the future, Saudi Arabia and its allies belong to the past.

That leaves Daesh, the Sunni "Islamic State" in Syria and Iraq. That is also a rising power. Unlike Iran, whose revolutionary élan long ago exhausted itself, Daesh is radiating revolutionary fervor, attracting adherents from all over the world.

Daesh is the real enemy of Iran – and of Israel.

PRESIDENT OBAMA and his advisors realized this some time ago. Their new alliance with Iran is partly based on this reality.

With the advent of Daesh, realities on the ground have changed completely. The shift reaffirms the old British maxim that one's enemies in one war can well become one's allies in the next, and vice versa. Far from being naïve, Obama is building an alliance against the new and very dangerous enemy. This alliance should logically include Bashar Assad's Syria, but Obama is still afraid of saying so aloud.

Obama and his advisors also believe that with the lifting of the crippling sanctions, Iranians will concentrate on making money, lessening their nationalist and religious fervor even more. That sounds reasonable enough.

(Netanyahu thinks the American people are "naïve". Well, for a naïve nation the US has done quite well in becoming the world's only super-power.)

One by-product of the situation is that Israel is again at loggerheads with the entire political world. The Vienna treaty was signed not just by the US, but by all leading world powers. This seems to create the situation described by a jolly popular Israeli song: "The whole world is against us / But we don't give a damn…"

Unfortunately, unlike Obama, Netanyahu is stuck in the past. He continues demonizing Iran, instead of joining it in the fight against Daesh, which is far, far more dangerous to Israel.

One does not have to go back to Cyrus the Great (6th century B.C.) to realize that Iran can be a close ally. In the relations between nations, geography trumps religion. Not so long ago, Iran was Israel's closest ally in the region. We even sent Khomeini arms to fight Iraq. The mad mullahs hate Israel not so much because of their religion, but because of our alliance with the Shah.

The present Iranian regime has long since lost its revolutionary religious fervor. It is acting according to its national interests. Geography still counts. A wise Israeli government would use the next ten-or-more years of a guaranteed nuclear-free Iran in order to renew the alliance – especially against Daesh.

This could mean new relations with Assad's Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas too.

BUT SUCH far-reaching considerations are far from the mind of Netanyahu, the son of a historian, who is devoid of any historical knowledge or intuition.

The fight is now going to Washington DC, where Netanyahu will be fully committed as a mercenary of Sheldon Adelson, the owner of the Republican Party.

It is a sorry sight: the State of Israel, which has always enjoyed the full unblinking support of both American parties, has become an appendix of the reactionary Republican leadership.

One victim of this is the legend of the "invincible" pro-Israeli lobby. This crucial asset has now been lost. From now on, AIPAC will be just one of the many lobbies on Capitol Hill.

AN EVEN sorrier sight is Israel's political and media elite on the morrow of the signing of the Vienna treaty. It was almost incredible.

Almost all political parties fell in line with Netanyahu's policy, competing with each other in their demonstrations of abject loyalty. From the "leader of the opposition", the pitiful Yitzhak Herzog, to the voluble Yair Lapid, everybody rushed to support the Prime Minister at this crucial hour.

The media were even worse. Almost all prominent commentators, left and right, ran amok against the 'disastrous" treaty and heaped their uniform disgust and contempt on poor Obama, as if reading from a prepared government "list of arguments" (as indeed they were).

Not the finest hour of Israeli democracy and the much lauded "Jewish brain". Just a despicable example of all-too-common brain-washing. Some would call it presstitution.

One of Netanyahu's arguments is that the Iranians can and will cheat the naive Americans and build the bomb. He is sure that this is possible. Well, he should know. We did it, didn't we?

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Thank you YMix .. thanks .. excellent

He sayin what Azari sayin since long long time .. dot for dot

Somebody should send this to Spengler

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YMix wrote:
The Treaty
by Uri Avnery

[...]

WHAT HAS the Islamic Republic ever done in its 45 years of existence to harm Israel?

Sure. Tehran crowds can be seen on television burning Israeli flags and shouting "Death to Israel". They call us, not flatteringly, "the Little Satan", as compared to the American "Great Satan".

Terrible. But what else?
The bombings in Argentina and the Hezbollah rocket attacks were just a scratch. I agree.

Iran is geographically very far from Israel, and with the exception of the theocratic government, the average Iranian is not significantly antisemitic. This is why it is difficult for the Iranian government to fully mobilize its resources to annihilate Israel, since it does not have the massive support of the majority who are tired of this government anyway, but this can change when Iran starts donating weapons of mass destruction (or just the technology of such weapons) to Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. So it is clear that the Iranian government would not directly fire a nuclear missile to Israel, but its proxies might unofficially escalate with more powerful technology donated by Iran. Nukes are just one technology, and by 2050, there will be many other technologies the world has not seen yet.

But if the Iranian government falls and gets replaced by a more national-cultural system (many Iranians feel a cultural nostalgia for their Zoroastrian traditions which did not include antisemitism), then just like Cyrus the Great, Iran can become the best friend of Israel and the Jews as before.

The problem is not Iran, and not even Islam, but authoritarianism and the irrationality of people who are not qualified to govern. Irrational people would take irrational risks, hoping that their madness will intimidate others to submission. If ISIS becomes a more powerful system (by gaining control of Saudi oil) it will not fire nuclear missiles, but it would assemble nukes in safe houses in all western cities to blackmail.
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HAL 10000 wrote:The bombings in Argentina and the Hezbollah rocket attacks were just a scratch. I agree.
Subtle disagreement cleverly disguised as agreement. Much impressed. Wow.
Iran is geographically very far from Israel, and with the exception of the theocratic government, the average Iranian is not significantly antisemitic. This is why it is difficult for the Iranian government to fully mobilize its resources to annihilate Israel, since it does not have the massive support of the majority who are tired of this government anyway, but this can change when Iran starts donating weapons of mass destruction (or just the technology of such weapons) to Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. So it is clear that the Iranian government would not directly fire a nuclear missile to Israel, but its proxies might unofficially escalate with more powerful technology donated by Iran. Nukes are just one technology, and by 2050, there will be many other technologies the world has not seen yet.
Riiiight. The Iranians are not stupid enough to fire a nuclear missile at Israel, but they are stupid enough to pass nuclear technology to shitty little groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. Because that's what nuclear powers do; they pass their arsenal around.
But if the Iranian government falls and gets replaced by a more national-cultural system (many Iranians feel a cultural nostalgia for their Zoroastrian traditions which did not include antisemitism), then just like Cyrus the Great, Iran can become the best friend of Israel and the Jews as before.
Or maybe Israel is not that important.
The problem is not Iran, and not even Islam, but authoritarianism and the irrationality of people who are not qualified to govern. Irrational people would take irrational risks, hoping that their madness will intimidate others to submission.
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HAL 10000 wrote:
YMix wrote:
The Treaty
by Uri Avnery

[...]

WHAT HAS the Islamic Republic ever done in its 45 years of existence to harm Israel?

Sure. Tehran crowds can be seen on television burning Israeli flags and shouting "Death to Israel". They call us, not flatteringly, "the Little Satan", as compared to the American "Great Satan".

Terrible. But what else?
The bombings in Argentina and the Hezbollah rocket attacks were just a scratch. I agree.

Iran is geographically very far from Israel, and with the exception of the theocratic government, the average Iranian is not significantly antisemitic. This is why it is difficult for the Iranian government to fully mobilize its resources to annihilate Israel, since it does not have the massive support of the majority who are tired of this government anyway, but this can change when Iran starts donating weapons of mass destruction (or just the technology of such weapons) to Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. So it is clear that the Iranian government would not directly fire a nuclear missile to Israel, but its proxies might unofficially escalate with more powerful technology donated by Iran. Nukes are just one technology, and by 2050, there will be many other technologies the world has not seen yet.

But if the Iranian government falls and gets replaced by a more national-cultural system (many Iranians feel a cultural nostalgia for their Zoroastrian traditions which did not include antisemitism), then just like Cyrus the Great, Iran can become the best friend of Israel and the Jews as before.

The problem is not Iran, and not even Islam, but authoritarianism and the irrationality of people who are not qualified to govern. Irrational people would take irrational risks, hoping that their madness will intimidate others to submission. If ISIS becomes a more powerful system (by gaining control of Saudi oil) it will not fire nuclear missiles, but it would assemble nukes in safe houses in all western cities to blackmail.

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HAL10000, same as Spengler, don't see and understand what is happening, see the pig picture

West, industrial powers, are losing in world importance and power "relative" to new emerging powers.

In that sense, West is "retreating" from Uyghur to Bosphorus to Tangier

That space is now "contested" by "Old Powers", Persia, Turkey, Russia, China, India

Israel neither has the strategic dept, population, economy or any other "metric" in history to be a player in that space .. people gathered from Poland Ukraine Latvia Estonia Russia unrelated to each other will not withstand hardship of history when it occurs, just believing in Judaism (most neither believe nor practice judaism .. they invented "reform Judaism" in which most laws are sinn in "original" judaism) does not built a "nation" .. Jews, Jewish people, are the "hebrew tribe" and they pretty much not even a footnote in all this.

Argentina terrorism act was done by Mossad, to create insecurity for Argentinian Jews and make them leave for Israel, there is no reason Iran should have done it as Iran has nothing against Jews last 2600 yrs.

Arabs are in disarray and ruled by traitors .. The real competition will be between Persia and Turkey

My guess is, Persia and Turkey will join forces .. matter of fact, Persia has more "real" Turks than Turkey has Turks

Israel only choice is drop in Tehran with a Cake in hand .. mad mullahs will grandfather Israel


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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Thank you YMix .. thanks .. excellent

He sayin what Azari sayin since long long time .. dot for dot.
No you haven't. Not too long ago you claimed that ISIS was a Mossad production. What made you change your mind?
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Israel is happy when Iran deals a blow to ISIS, Iran will be happy when Israel deals a blow to ISIS. In that they are allies, no matter the gossip around it. But if it will "heal" their relationship beyond that.. me doubteth. They will be in a cold war much longer, too much political invested interest on both sides. Bibi et-al and Khamenei et-al need each other at home.
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Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Thank you YMix .. thanks .. excellent

He sayin what Azari sayin since long long time .. dot for dot.

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No you haven't. Not too long ago you claimed that ISIS was a Mossad production. What made you change your mind?

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This an open secret that Hamas was created (quite openly) by Mossad to weaken Arafat .. Mossad backed a "muslim" Palestinian faction (Hamas) to split & weaken (secular, some even Christian) PLO .. "unintended" consequence was "Hamas" became a nasty adversary to Zionist.

Same scenario played with "Daesh" .. Zionist, Turkey, Qatar, KSA, America and Europe, to counter (Shia) Iran, they came up with Daesh Idea .. "unintended" consequence was the snake turned around and attacked those feeding them.

Did not change my mind, still same

and

Uri Avnery saying same as Azari sayin since years .. that mad mullahs follow "Greater Persia" script and Islam just the platform (meaning Shah on secular platform could not achieve what mad mullahs will on "Islam" platform) .. that is why Iranians backing mad mullahs .. mad mullahs talk Islam but act "greater Persia" .. that is what Uri Avnery sayin and seems you and HAL10000 still not gettin it

Issue not nuclear bomb (Iran turned that corner a few yrs ago), issue hegemony, greater Persia .. and .. now .. World powers have accepted this .. imagine, Iran where it is with 35 yrs of strictest sanction now being freed from shackles .. should not take long B4 Iranian astronaut landing on the moon .. now Iran will spike in science


New era of science in post-sanctions Iran

Parodite wrote:Israel is happy when Iran deals a blow to ISIS, Iran will be happy when Israel deals a blow to ISIS. In that they are allies, no matter the gossip around it. But if it will "heal" their relationship beyond that.. me doubteth. They will be in a cold war much longer, too much political invested interest on both sides. Bibi et-al and Khamenei et-al need each other at home.

Iran has "ZERO" issues with Israel

Issue is only Israel's view that Israel must have "upper-hand" in all that space, for Israeli security.

A grave mistake

Israel's military upper-hand is eroding .. Israel must find sooner rather than later peace, otherwise things will not last

That is when Iran comes into play

Iranians are a friend of Jewish people, since 1000s of yrs .. and .. now .. Iran can be a key to make peace between Israel and Pali possible

But

for that to happen

Israel must change course.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:This an open secret that Hamas was created (quite openly) by Mossad to weaken Arafat .. Mossad backed a "muslim" Palestinian faction (Hamas) to split & weaken (secular, some even Christian) PLO .. "unintended" consequence was "Hamas" became a nasty adversary to Zionist.
The open secret is that this is first class anti-Semitic drivel. The only way in which "Mossad created Hamas" connects with reality is that Israel was off-guard when Hamas started to root in Gaza where initially engaged in charity and Muslim rights to prayer etc., not taking the possibility that Hamas would start an armed Jihad very seriously until it was too late. A more factual account of what happened can be found here: How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
Same scenario played with "Daesh" .. Zionist, Turkey, Qatar, KSA, America and Europe, to counter (Shia) Iran, they came up with Daesh Idea .. "unintended" consequence was the snake turned around and attacked those feeding them.
Same conspirational nonsense.
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Really, Iran is a miniscule dot in American thought. It exists only in relation to Israel, which is an accepted meme. Unless it publicized In relation to Israel Iran does not even exist to the average American. Without Israel, Iran is simply another Lebanon.

This is a shame, but the public mind can only handle so much. Israel made a lot of political capital off the phony Arafat threat. Now Iran is being thrust into the same phony dialectic but it is not working.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:Really, Iran is a miniscule dot in American thought. It exists only in relation to Israel, which is an accepted meme. Unless it publicized In relation to Israel Iran does not even exist to the average American. Without Israel, Iran is simply another Lebanon.

This is a shame, but the public mind can only handle so much. Israel made a lot of political capital off the phony Arafat threat. Now Iran is being thrust into the same phony dialectic but it is not working.
Nonc.. Arafat was not a phony threat to Israel, but a phony threat to the US. Try distinguish between the two even though Jesus is everywhere. ;)
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Parodite wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:Really, Iran is a miniscule dot in American thought. It exists only in relation to Israel, which is an accepted meme. Unless it publicized In relation to Israel Iran does not even exist to the average American. Without Israel, Iran is simply another Lebanon.

This is a shame, but the public mind can only handle so much. Israel made a lot of political capital off the phony Arafat threat. Now Iran is being thrust into the same phony dialectic but it is not working.
Nonc.. Arafat was not a phony threat to Israel, but a phony threat to the US. Try distinguish between the two even though Jesus is everywhere. ;)
Arafat & Israel and the US had a nice game going there. I don't see it being resurrected, even on Easter Sunday.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:Really, Iran is a miniscule dot in American thought. It exists only in relation to Israel, which is an accepted meme. Unless it publicized In relation to Israel Iran does not even exist to the average American. Without Israel, Iran is simply another Lebanon.

This is a shame, but the public mind can only handle so much. Israel made a lot of political capital off the phony Arafat threat. Now Iran is being thrust into the same phony dialectic but it is not working.
Nonc.. Arafat was not a phony threat to Israel, but a phony threat to the US. Try distinguish between the two even though Jesus is everywhere. ;)
Arafat & Israel and the US had a nice game going there. I don't see it being resurrected, even on Easter Sunday.
The Arafat-Israel bout was not as sexy as the violence of ISIS or the latest pounding of Gaza by the IDF...the history of the confrontation between PLO (and its predecessor) and Israel was nasty and violent nonetheless where many people got killed. But I agree let phony violence of that sort as also a few dead blacks in their confrontation with US police force destroy our happy holidays.
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Parodite wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:Really, Iran is a miniscule dot in American thought. It exists only in relation to Israel, which is an accepted meme. Unless it publicized In relation to Israel Iran does not even exist to the average American. Without Israel, Iran is simply another Lebanon.

This is a shame, but the public mind can only handle so much. Israel made a lot of political capital off the phony Arafat threat. Now Iran is being thrust into the same phony dialectic but it is not working.
Nonc.. Arafat was not a phony threat to Israel, but a phony threat to the US. Try distinguish between the two even though Jesus is everywhere. ;)
Arafat & Israel and the US had a nice game going there. I don't see it being resurrected, even on Easter Sunday.
The Arafat-Israel bout was not as sexy as the violence of ISIS or the latest pounding of Gaza by the IDF...the history of the confrontation between PLO (and its predecessor) and Israel was nasty and violent nonetheless where many people got killed. But I agree let phony violence of that sort as also a few dead blacks in their confrontation with US police force destroy our happy holidays.
Black/white/whatever. A citizen shot in the face by police because of a misdemeanor is horrific.

I understand, but I wonder if you truly grasp how much larger the US is compared to Europe. Only two states, Alaska and Texas could subsume all of Europe. The Netherlands would make a fine US city, but never rise to statehood.

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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:The Arafat-Israel bout was not as sexy as the violence of ISIS or the latest pounding of Gaza by the IDF...the history of the confrontation between PLO (and its predecessor) and Israel was nasty and violent nonetheless where many people got killed. But I agree let phony violence of that sort as also a few dead blacks in their confrontation with US police force destroy our happy holidays.
Black/white/whatever. A citizen shot in the face by police because of a misdemeanor is horrific.

I understand, but I wonder if you truly grasp how much larger the US is compared to Europe. Only two states, Alaska and Texas could subsume all of Europe. The Netherlands would make a fine US city, but never rise to statehood.

Our shame, not yours.
I sense a tongue in cheek..but as you say..the internet is not the easiest way to communicate pun and fun. My bare point merely being that the violence between Arafat/PLO (political wing)+Al aqsa brigades (military wing) and the Israelies was nasty and bloody. To call it phony or show is bad taste even as a joke.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:.

Really, Iran is a miniscule dot in American thought. It exists only in relation to Israel, which is an accepted meme. Unless it publicized In relation to Israel Iran does not even exist to the average American. Without Israel, Iran is simply another Lebanon.

This is a shame, but the public mind can only handle so much. Israel made a lot of political capital off the phony Arafat threat. Now Iran is being thrust into the same phony dialectic but it is not working.

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NH, you hardly could be more off .. "The Great Game" played by world powers

In that "The Great Game" Israel does not show up, not even as a footnote

Not so Iran

Notion, Jews this, Holocaust that, just to fool Joe .. in reality, World powers, could not care less about Jews,
and, Israel knows this.

Iran is another issue .. it's "location, location, location"

Iran is the most important "strategic" member in that "The Great Game"

"The New Great Game", played in context leading to "New World Order" in full progress .. fronts being built


To make you understand how important Iran is, consider this :

Foreign ministers of 6 world powers, camped in Vienna & Geneva for 3 months to make Iran agree .. this was not about nuclear bomb, Iran turned that corner yrs ago (Obama pretty much confirmed this), this was for much more than a few nuclear bombs .. and .. in those 3 months, the "word" ISRAEL never came up in negotiations although chief US negotiator Wendy Sherman is Jewish and probably a "double" citizen (Israeli) too .. not a single case of Israel mentioned in negotiations

World becoming "multi" Polar .. on that "chess board" Iran is a very important chess-figure .. Israel not on that chess-board at all.

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I'm not talking facts, HP. Just perception.

Syria will demonstrate Iranian influence..
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lol HP you right! Israel as footnote.. not on any agenda.. that is exactly where they want to be! They only care about their own safety, basically. Which is contrary to Iran, as Avneri noted, that has imperial plans in the region. Shia and Sunni brethern want to coalesce in their respective domains one way or other. And there is IS to be everybodies trouble.

The problems of Israel are basically over now; stay out of trouble and only punch faces that want to enter their territory whoever they are. The Palestinian Arabs in the Westbank may actually thank Allah that the Lion of Judah will most likely keep ISIS out of the Westbank too.

I wish the Iranian army good luck fighting ISIS and be the savior of all Shia Muslims in the entire Meddle East. A handful for the coming decades if not centuries.
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