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Parodite wrote:.
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

To change that mindset, as Norman Finkelstein correctly said, Zionist Israel needs a "catastrophic" defeat
When that happens ...

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In your wet dreams.

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You see ! ! that mindset still prevails

Once Zionist realize there is always a bigger sword, then things might fall in place, not B4

and

the sooner that "Catastrophic" defeat, the less painful it would be for that salvation


BTW, David getting the message

and, icing on the cake : ALIGNING CHINA’S INTERESTS WITH IRAN’S

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Parodite wrote:.
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

To change that mindset, as Norman Finkelstein correctly said, Zionist Israel needs a "catastrophic" defeat
When that happens ...
In your wet dreams.
You see ! ! that mindset still prevails
The mindset you refer to does not exist in reality, it's just a mirage that speaks to you in your smoke filled brain. What I referred to was your wet dream about a "catastrophic" defeat. Whatever that is supposed to mean. But feel to explain what you meant by that "quoted" definition.
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Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Parodite wrote:.
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

To change that mindset, as Norman Finkelstein correctly said, Zionist Israel needs a "catastrophic" defeat
When that happens ...
In your wet dreams.
You see ! ! that mindset still prevails
The mindset you refer to does not exist in reality, it's just a mirage that speaks to you in your smoke filled brain. What I referred to was your wet dream about a "catastrophic" defeat. Whatever that is supposed to mean.

But feel to explain what you meant by that "quoted" definition.

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Don't know exactly how it will look like, but we will realize when we come to that bridge

and

Seems, Natanyahu has won the election

If so, fasten your seat belts


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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Parodite wrote:The mindset you refer to does not exist in reality, it's just a mirage that speaks to you in your smoke filled brain. What I referred to was your wet dream about a "catastrophic" defeat. Whatever that is supposed to mean.

But feel to explain what you meant by that "quoted" definition.
Don't know exactly how it will look like, but we will realize when we come to that bridge
So you say things without knowing what you mean yourself... interesting. I thought I was the only one who couldn't make sense of it. ;)
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its a trick to fool the western joe.
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Netanyahu winning means that fear rules in Israel and that the Zionist Union failed selling a security program with a vision of resolve.
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noddy wrote:its a trick to fool the western joe.
lol of course!
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Parodite wrote:Netanyahu winning means that fear rules in Israel and that the Zionist Union failed selling a security program with a vision of resolve.
As in so many other countries the radical, violent parties are gaining the upper hand. Fear indeed seems to be more important than reason. Using an older language I would say the doors are opening to all sorts of fascist experiments or, as in Greece, to the more radical left. If we don't control the many demons being let loose, we are going to have to cope with another wave of destruction. It's interesting to see that fear is leading people to vote for what will guarantee their suffering and eventually their getting killed. Will there be enough reasonable voters to reverse this trend?... I doubt it...
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Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Parodite wrote:The mindset you refer to does not exist in reality, it's just a mirage that speaks to you in your smoke filled brain. What I referred to was your wet dream about a "catastrophic" defeat. Whatever that is supposed to mean.

But feel to explain what you meant by that "quoted" definition.
Don't know exactly how it will look like, but we will realize when we come to that bridge
So you say things without knowing what you mean yourself... interesting. I thought I was the only one who couldn't make sense of it. ;)
Wow! Kinda like porn. Hard (noddyism) to define... but when you see it, it is obvious.... well to some...... maybe.....

Anyway, all y'all know what I mean.... unless yer either racists, western joes, or tools of the anglo Zionists reptilian masters........
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Parodite wrote:Netanyahu winning means that fear rules in Israel and that the Zionist Union failed selling a security program with a vision of resolve.
Just in case you have not been paying attention, the Zionists are the bad guys.

So HP must be happy now.

You're not one of those western joes HP was warning us about are you.....
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Endovelico wrote:
Parodite wrote:Netanyahu winning means that fear rules in Israel and that the Zionist Union failed selling a security program with a vision of resolve.
As in so many other countries the radical, violent parties are gaining the upper hand. Fear indeed seems to be more important than reason. Using an older language I would say the doors are opening to all sorts of fascist experiments or, as in Greece, to the more radical left. If we don't control the many demons being let loose, we are going to have to cope with another wave of destruction. It's interesting to see that fear is leading people to vote for what will guarantee their suffering and eventually their getting killed. Will there be enough reasonable voters to reverse this trend?... I doubt it...
A timeless observation Endo. "We" are a consistent lot, if nothing else.

It sounds a little bit like the Elliott Wavers talking about social mood/zeitgeist changing from optimism to pessimism.

But after multiple decades in a bull market, why would one not expect a large correction?

The creation of the EU & the euro was the ringing of the bell.
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Simple Minded wrote:
Parodite wrote:Netanyahu winning means that fear rules in Israel and that the Zionist Union failed selling a security program with a vision of resolve.
Just in case you have not been paying attention, the Zionists are the bad guys.

So HP must be happy now.

You're not one of those western joes HP was warning us about are you.....
I'm afraid I'm the full (fool) Joe :D
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Endovelico wrote:
Parodite wrote:Netanyahu winning means that fear rules in Israel and that the Zionist Union failed selling a security program with a vision of resolve.
As in so many other countries the radical, violent parties are gaining the upper hand. Fear indeed seems to be more important than reason. Using an older language I would say the doors are opening to all sorts of fascist experiments or, as in Greece, to the more radical left. If we don't control the many demons being let loose, we are going to have to cope with another wave of destruction. It's interesting to see that fear is leading people to vote for what will guarantee their suffering and eventually their getting killed. Will there be enough reasonable voters to reverse this trend?... I doubt it...
I fear you are right :shock:
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Netanyahu’s victory could alter American politics


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Yesterday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu won an unexpected election victory, leaving him poised to form a new government and continue in office. What appeared to be an increasingly desperate and repugnant bid to hold on to power turned out to be a remarkably shrewd strategy.

No one in Israel could have been surprised; if Netanyahu took off his mask, it was a mask made of cellophane that everyone could always see through.

But by casting off even an insincere commitment to any kind of negotiated settlement with the Palestinians to proclaim that there will be no Palestinian state as long as he’s prime minister — and making a nakedly racist last-minute appeal to supporters by warning them that Israeli Arabs had the temerity to vote — Netanyahu may have initiated a significant change in American-Israeli relations, the consequences of which will be felt for years.

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Members of the Israeli right always believed, though they may not have said it quite so explicitly, that if the Palestinians were beaten down over a sufficiently long period, eventually they’d give up their national aspirations and resign themselves to their miserable fate.

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Who can say today that they hold out that hope? If you support this government, you have to acknowledge that you’re supporting a situation in which Palestinians are denied fundamental political, economic and human rights, not just for the moment but permanently. It’s one thing to say that the Palestinians must change before they’re deserving of self-determination, but it’s quite another to say they should never have it. That position is one Americans (both ordinary people and politicians) now must confront, and accept or reject.

Combine that with the effects of Netanyahu’s visit to Congress, in which he all but filled out a Republican Party membership card, and the idea that everyone in American politics must be categorically “pro-Israel,” regardless of the substance of any controversy, may finally be on its way out.

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American governments can give up the endlessly frustrating task of trying to negotiate a Palestinian-Israeli settlement, because the Israeli leader is now on record saying he wants the occupation to be permanent.

And with Netanyahu’s journey from the far right to the far-far-right, we can be less concerned with his opinion about Iran’s nuclear program or anything else, and treat him like what he is : an ideologically radical factional leader, albeit one capable of winning one-quarter of the seats in his country’s parliament.

Nothing is permanent, of course. Netanyahu could be prime minister for another five years, or another five months. But this election could convince many more Americans that blindly supporting whatever position the Israeli government takes on any issue isn’t good enough anymore.

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Well, folks, better late than never

You see now what a crook BiBi is, Zionist all crooks "by definition" .. that post from HAL10000 clearly explains the mindset, "freeloaders" from Ukraine and Latvia imported as JEWS (as HAL10000 says new minted converts), bulldoze indgini homes and call the landlords terrorists
In order to become a citizen of Israel, it is enough to convert to Judaism, it is not necessary to be of Jewish ancestry. In addition, even without being Jewish, any applicant who has just one Jewish grandparent (who did not convert to another religion willingly, but coerced conversion to another religion is forgiven), is accepted as a citizen of Israel.
Well, HAL10000 (a non Ashkenazim as he one said, probably Baghdadi Jew) must be reminded in Judaism there is no "conversion" .. in Judaism nobody can "convert" .. Judaism is a religion for "Hebrew tribe" and nobody can convert to a "Tribe"

What does it mean ? ? it means, these folks, using Judaism as excuse to steal other people's home .. HAL10000 explains above very clearly : the indigini can not be Israeli (millions of Palestinian refugee no "right of return"), but the freeloader Russians not even Jewish (a distant grandfather might be jewish enough to become Israeli, as HAL10000 explains) .. poor aDolf, poor aDolf, at least he was hiding he evil, these folks openly brag about it

As posted here 2 days B4 Israeli election, was looking forward for BiBi to win .. and .. could not even dream the "last minute BiBi coming out of closet"

Now Americans have it, no doubt whatsoever, directly from horses mouth

America must now decide, they on terrorist (Zionist) side or they on the right and just side (and Iran takes it from there :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: )

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Indeed, soon there will not be enough land in Palestinian hands to enable a Palestinian state being created. Then, either the Palestinians accept becoming second class citizens of a Greater Israel, or they will emigrate to wherever they will be accepted. I'm afraid things went already too far to allow for anything better than a fragmented Bantustan for a few impoverished Palestinians... RIP...
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I have the impression that it was a "guns or butter" election.

So enough people voted for "guns" to re-elect Bibi + Likud.

The "butter" issues still remain.
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2 NYT articles pretty much wrap it up


Netanyahu will be the father of the one-state solution
either a
non-Jewish democracy
or
Jewish non-democracy


And the leader in the world who is most happy that Netanyahu ran on — and won on — a one-state solution is the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Oh, my goodness.

They must have been doing high-fives and “Allahu akbars” all night in the ruling circles of Tehran when they saw how low Bibi sank to win.

What better way to isolate Israel globally and deflect attention from Iran’s behavior ?

The biggest losers in all of this, besides all the Israelis who did not vote for Netanyahu, are American Jews and non-Jews who support Israel.

What Bibi did to win this election was move the Likud Party from a center-right party to a far-right one.

The additional votes he got were all grabbed from the other far-right parties — not from the center.

When the official government of Israel is a far-right party that rejects a two-state solution and employs anti-Arab dog whistles to get elected, it will split the basic unity of the American Jewish community on Israel.

How many American Jews want to defend a one-state solution in Washington or on their college campuses ?

Is Aipac, the Israel lobby, now going to push for a one-state solution on Capitol Hill ?

How many Democrats and Republicans would endorse that?

Warning : Real trouble ahead.

You cannot win that dirty and just walk away like nothing happened.

In the days before Israelis went to the polls, Netanyahu was asked by the Israeli news site, NRG, if it was true that a Palestinian state would never be formed on his watch as prime minister, Netanyahu replied, “Indeed,” adding: “Anyone who is going to establish a Palestinian state, anyone who is going to evacuate territories today, is simply giving a base for attacks to the radical Islam against Israel.”

This makes null and void his speech in June 2009 at Bar Ilan University, where Netanyahu had laid out a different “vision of peace,” saying: “In this small land of ours, two peoples live freely, side by side, in amity and mutual respect. Each will have its own flag, its own national anthem, its own government. Neither will threaten the security or survival of the other.” Provided the Palestinian state recognizes Israel’s Jewish character and accepts demilitarization, he added, “We will be ready in a future peace agreement to reach a solution where a demilitarized Palestinian state exists alongside the Jewish state.”

Now, if there are not going to be two states for two peoples in the area between the Jordan River and Mediterranean, then there is going to be only one state — and that one state will either be a Jewish democracy that systematically denies the voting rights of about one-third of its people or it will be a democracy and systematically erodes the Jewish character of Israel.

Just look at the numbers: In 2014, the estimated Palestinian Arab population of the West Bank was 2.72 million, with roughly 40 percent under the age of 14. There are already 1.7 million Israeli Arabs citizens — who assembled all their parties together in the latest election onto one list and came in third. Together, the West Bankers and Israeli Arabs constitute 4.4 million people. There are 6.2 million Israeli Jews. According to statistics from the Jewish Virtual Library, the Jewish population of Israel grew by 1.7 percent over the past year, and the Arab population grew by 2.2 percent.

If there is only one state, Israel cannot be Jewish and permit West Bank Palestinians to exercise any voting rights alongside Israeli Arabs. But if Israel is one state and wants to be democratic, how does it continue depriving West Bankers of the vote — when you can be sure they will make it their No. 1 demand.

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What impact will this have on the Jewish community in Europe? As Israel becomes more isolated, and the BDS movement gains steam, their...

I doubt, in the heat of the campaign, Netanyahu gave any of this much thought when he tossed the two-state solution out the window of his campaign bus in a successful 11th-hour grab for far-right voters. To be sure, he could disavow his two-state disavowal tomorrow. It would not surprise me. He is that cynical. But, if he doesn’t — if the official platform of his new government is that there is no more two-state solution — it will produce both a hostile global reaction and, in time, a Palestinian move in the West Bank for voting rights in Israel, combined with an attempt to put Israel in the docket in the International Criminal Court. How far is the Obama administration going to go in defending Israel after it officially rejects a two-state solution? I don’t know. But we’ll be in a new world.

No one on the planet will enjoy watching Israel and America caught on the horns of this dilemma more than the clerical regime in Tehran. It is a godsend for them. Iran’s unstated position is that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem must be perpetuated forever. Because few things serve Iran’s interests more than having radical Jewish settlers in a never-ending grinding conflict with Palestinians — and the more bloodshed and squashing of any two-state diplomatic options the better. Because, in that conflict, the Palestinians are almost always depicted as the underdogs and the Israelis as the bullies trying to deprive them of basic rights.

From Iran’s point of view, it makes fantastic TV on Al Jazeera, and all the European networks; it undermines Israel’s legitimacy with the young generation on college campuses around the globe; and it keeps the whole world much more focused on Israeli civil rights abuses against Palestinians rather than the massive civil rights abuses perpetrated by the Iranian regime against its own people.

It is stunning how much Bibi’s actions serve Tehran’s strategic interests.

And that is why I am certain that Benjamin Netanyahu is going to be a historic, very impactful prime minister in Jewish history. I just hope that — somehow — a Jewish democratic Israel survives his tenure.

BiBi just destroyed Israel .. now, all the world agrees with what ME people were sayin last 70 yrs .. World now will turn against Zionists


mad mullahs can't stop laughing .. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And that Baghdadi guy, HAL10000, saying everybody can be Israeli by just converting to Judaism, or pretending having a grand grand grand father maybe Jew .. just diluting the indigini will do the job and HAL10000 proud of it .. what a sh*t


now the other NYT article


Netanyahu’s Win Is Good for Palestine

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WASHINGTON — IF anyone doubted where Benjamin Netanyahu stood on the question of peace, the Israeli prime minister made himself clear just before Tuesday’s election, proclaiming that there would never be a Palestinian state on his watch. Then he decided to engage in a bit of fear-mongering against Palestinian citizens of Israel in hopes of driving his supporters to the polls. “The right-wing government is in danger,” Mr. Netanyahu announced on Election Day. “Arab voters are heading to the polling stations in droves.”

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Israelis have grown very comfortable with the status quo.

In a country that oversees a military occupation that affects millions of people, the biggest scandals aren’t about settlements, civilian deaths or hate crimes but rather mundane things like the price of cottage cheese and whether the prime minister’s wife embezzled bottle refunds.


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The election results will further galvanize the movement seeking to isolate Israel internationally. B.D.S. campaigns will grow, and more countries will move toward imposing sanctions to change Israeli behavior. In the past few years, a major Dutch pension fund divested large sums from Israeli banks active in the West Bank, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been divested from companies, like G4S and SodaStream, that operate in occupied territory.

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mad mullahs can't stop laughing .. BiBi could be Iranian Moll


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Typhoon wrote:HAL10000: although we will know soon, whom do you expect to win the Israeli election and why?
Actually I was expecting the left wing party of Herzog/Livni to win, and I was truly surprised when Netanyahu won with a clear margin at the last moment. The reason I was expecting the left to win is because of the dramatic increase in economic inequality, which happens approximately every 2-3 generations in the world. And according to the theory long term economic cycles of Kondratiev that was popularized by the Harvard economist Schumpeter, this polarization leads to depressions followed by wars or revolutions. One of the best books about Kondratiev cycles is by Michael Alexander, whose background is in biochemistry, and he analyzes economics from a global ecological point of view, where conservation laws apply. Although the Kondratiev economic cycle is well known, a parallel theory that is not very familiar to most people is the theory of Kondratiev Wars: the economic inequality cycles that cause depressions, are supposed to be accompanied by corresponding wars and revolutions. In this book, the author also included a long term chart with 400 years of data that shows the percentage of people who died in wars that followed depressions.

http://www.amazon.com/Kondratiev-Cycle- ... 0595217117

As we speak, there is a dramatically rising economic inequality not only in Israel but all over the world, and this is why I was expecting Netanyahu to lose. But at the same time, it seems that the justified fears among Israelis that a two state solution that establishes Palestine as a sovereign country, will mean that all the enemies of Israel in the world will legally bring all their armies and weapons to Palestine and from there within a few hours they can shell every square inch of Israel, basically made Netanyahu win the elections. For the record, in 1947-1949, when Israel was being created, Libya sent its armies to Egypt to approach Israel from Sinai, and Iraq sent its armies to Jordan to reach the Israeli border in West Bank, and that time West Bank was not yet occupied by Israel, this happened in 1967. When Palestine is created, and it probably will be, Hamas or similar groups will gain power in West Bank, and Israel will be surrounded and encircled militarily. In this case most Israeli airports will be within artillery range. I think that Israel can survive and win any war in the Middle East, most Israelis might die.
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HAL 10000 wrote:
Typhoon wrote:HAL10000: although we will know soon, whom do you expect to win the Israeli election and why?
Actually I was expecting the left wing party of Herzog/Livni to win, and I was truly surprised when Netanyahu won with a clear margin at the last moment. The reason I was expecting the left to win is because of the dramatic increase in economic inequality, which happens approximately every 2-3 generations in the world. And according to the theory long term economic cycles of Kondratiev that was popularized by the Harvard economist Schumpeter, this polarization leads to depressions followed by wars or revolutions. One of the best books about Kondratiev cycles is by Michael Alexander, whose background is in biochemistry, and he analyzes economics from a global ecological point of view, where conservation laws apply. Although the Kondratiev economic cycle is well known, a parallel theory that is not very familiar to most people is the theory of Kondratiev Wars: the economic inequality cycles that cause depressions, are supposed to be accompanied by corresponding wars and revolutions. In this book, the author also included a long term chart with 400 years of data that shows the percentage of people who died in wars that followed depressions.

http://www.amazon.com/Kondratiev-Cycle- ... 0595217117

As we speak, there is a dramatically rising economic inequality not only in Israel but all over the world, and this is why I was expecting Netanyahu to lose. But at the same time, it seems that the justified fears among Israelis that a two state solution that establishes Palestine as a sovereign country, will mean that all the enemies of Israel in the world will legally bring all their armies and weapons to Palestine and from there within a few hours they can shell every square inch of Israel, basically made Netanyahu win the elections. For the record, in 1947-1949, when Israel was being created, Libya sent its armies to Egypt to approach Israel from Sinai, and Iraq sent its armies to Jordan to reach the Israeli border in West Bank, and that time West Bank was not yet occupied by Israel, this happened in 1967. When Palestine is created, and it probably will be, Hamas or similar groups will gain power in West Bank, and Israel will be surrounded and encircled militarily. In this case most Israeli airports will be within artillery range. I think that Israel can survive and win any war in the Middle East, most Israelis might die.

Herzog attacks Netanyahu for going easy on Gaza


Meaning Herzog, Livni (a war criminal suspect), Natanyahu .. and all the others within Zionist criminal gang .. they all same SH*T


Now, thanks G_D, west is awakening and letting go of that rubbish Zionist gang .. America disengaging from Israel disaster, Europe same

Very sad and unfortunate byproduct of Zionism disaster, is the new Western, European and now north American "anti-semitism" witnessing exploding "incidents" in west against the Jews

Well, Israel is now rapidly becoming "delegitimized", West now realizing Zionist are a net loss for world community and things can not continue as B4

On the other hand, elections in Israel show Israeli population not wise enough to understand time against them, choice is between Natayahu (Hitler) or Herzog (Eichman) :lol: :lol:

That is when Iran comes into play

Iran is no Arab nation, no land dispute with Zionists, no horse in the race

but

Iran has a "reputation" to guard if Iran should become THE hegemonial power in that space .. meaning Iran can not be on the side of or indifferent to "evil"

Zionist Israel will fall as apartheid South Africa disappeared

The Ashkenazim Jews, have all western passports and will leave occupied Palestine go back to where they came from .. The non Ashkanazim Jews will be the main losers, they destroyed all the bridges behind them

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HAL 10000 wrote:the justified fears among Israelis that a two state solution that establishes Palestine as a sovereign country, will mean that all the enemies of Israel in the world will legally bring all their armies and weapons to Palestine and from there within a few hours they can shell every square inch of Israel
Wow. That's incredibly dumb. All the enemies of Israel can legally bring all their armies and weapons to Egypt and Jordan just as easily. Even if Israel has treaties with these countries, those can be canceled with the stroke of a pen.
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HAL 10000 wrote:
Typhoon wrote:HAL10000: although we will know soon, whom do you expect to win the Israeli election and why?
Actually I was expecting the left wing party of Herzog/Livni to win, and I was truly surprised when Netanyahu won with a clear margin at the last moment. The reason I was expecting the left to win is because of the dramatic increase in economic inequality, which happens approximately every 2-3 generations in the world. And according to the theory long term economic cycles of Kondratiev that was popularized by the Harvard economist Schumpeter, this polarization leads to depressions followed by wars or revolutions. One of the best books about Kondratiev cycles is by Michael Alexander, whose background is in biochemistry, and he analyzes economics from a global ecological point of view, where conservation laws apply. Although the Kondratiev economic cycle is well known, a parallel theory that is not very familiar to most people is the theory of Kondratiev Wars: the economic inequality cycles that cause depressions, are supposed to be accompanied by corresponding wars and revolutions. In this book, the author also included a long term chart with 400 years of data that shows the percentage of people who died in wars that followed depressions.

http://www.amazon.com/Kondratiev-Cycle- ... 0595217117

As we speak, there is a dramatically rising economic inequality not only in Israel but all over the world, and this is why I was expecting Netanyahu to lose. But at the same time, it seems that the justified fears among Israelis that a two state solution that establishes Palestine as a sovereign country, will mean that all the enemies of Israel in the world will legally bring all their armies and weapons to Palestine and from there within a few hours they can shell every square inch of Israel, basically made Netanyahu win the elections. For the record, in 1947-1949, when Israel was being created, Libya sent its armies to Egypt to approach Israel from Sinai, and Iraq sent its armies to Jordan to reach the Israeli border in West Bank, and that time West Bank was not yet occupied by Israel, this happened in 1967. When Palestine is created, and it probably will be, Hamas or similar groups will gain power in West Bank, and Israel will be surrounded and encircled militarily. In this case most Israeli airports will be within artillery range. I think that Israel can survive and win any war in the Middle East, most Israelis might die.
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Kondratiev was executed by Stalin during the Great Purge. Dictators don't like theories that point out their lack of complete control.
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fine tuning a criminal mind

Israel habitually launches its most unpopular and, sometimes, deadly attacks against Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza to coincide with big news events here in the U.S., so that they don’t get too much public attention, according to the study.

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The news management is so sophisticated that the Israeli government is especially good about avoiding damaging “follow-up” or “day two” stories about its attacks — stories most likely to include awkward human interest details about the casualties and their families.

So finds a study conducted by Ruben Durante, professor at Sciences Po in Paris, and Ekaterina Zhuravskaya, professor at the Paris School of Economics Read the study: Attack When the World is Not Watching ? International Media and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.

“We find that Israeli attacks are more likely to occur prior to days with very high news pressure driven by clearly predictable events.”


The findings aren’t just useful for those following the news from the Middle East, but are fascinating for students of marketing, manipulation and propaganda everywhere — from politics to business.

The researchers looked at Israel’s military interventions in Palestine over an 11-year period, from 2000 to 2011, and then compared them to what was going on in the news at the time. That included looking at whether there was big other news, and whether that other news was scheduled — such as, say, the Super Bowl — or unscheduled, such as an earthquake or tsunami or plane crash somewhere in the world.

“We find that Israeli attacks are more likely to occur prior to days with very high news pressure driven by clearly predictable events,” they found. There were statistically significant upticks in Israeli military action in the West Bank and Gaza Strip before big holidays or sporting events, but not before things that the Israeli military could not anticipate.

Too cynical? Maybe — or, maybe not. Bibi Netanyahu, who was just re-elected as Israeli prime minister after a stunning last-minute rally, boasted as long ago as 2001 about Israel’s ability to play American public opinion.

“I know what America is,” Netanyahu boasted during a meeting that was caught on camera. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.” You don’t, he told his listeners, have to worry about Americans forming their own opinions about the conflict in the Middle East.

Netanyahu is so good at this that he is able to come to the U.S. to chastise the sitting president, even while billing the U.S. taxpayers $3 billion a year for military aid.

In the days following 9/11 of 2001, when the rest of the world was transfixed by the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, the Israeli government under Ariel Sharon seized the chance to send tanks into the West Bank, and attack helicopters into Gaza.

The government of Israel didn’t invent this technique. Most marketing techniques are as old as the hills. Back in 1994 Silvio Berlusconi took advantage of Italy going through to the final of the soccer World Cup to push through an unpopular decree that was designed to save corrupt politicians from jail. In 2008 Russia timed its invasion of Georgia to coincide with the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing.

So if you’ve got some bad news to dump on the public, your first move is to check the calendar. After all, the public can only pay attention to so many things at once. Playing this game is easy once you know how.

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Sanction ahead for Zionist state


Lifting Iranian sanction, imposing them on Zionist state


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HAL 10000 wrote:the justified fears among Israelis that a two state solution that establishes Palestine as a sovereign country, will mean that all the enemies of Israel in the world will legally bring all their armies and weapons to Palestine and from there within a few hours they can shell every square inch of Israel
Wow. That's incredibly dumb. All the enemies of Israel can legally bring all their armies and weapons to Egypt and Jordan just as easily. Even if Israel has treaties with these countries, those can be canceled with the stroke of a pen.
As you said, not only Jordan and Egypt can abrogate the peace treaties with Israel, but I am sure that this will happen in the future. But what you said is exactly my point: West Bank separates Jordan from Israel, and this adds a few dozen kilometers of buffer zone to give a few extra hours for Israel to respond to the inevitable attack in the future. As I said, from West Bank most of Israel would be within artillery range, including the airports, both civilian and military. For the record, I think that the settlements in the West Bank are illegal and wrong, but the original idea of the occupation of West Bank was establish a buffer zone, just like Sinai was originally occupied as a buffer zone (to my knowledge there were no significantly populated Jewish settlements in Sinai, and in any case all of Sinai was totally evacuated when the US guaranteed that Egypt will not militarize it.)

But in this new age of missiles even a buffer zone will lose its importance, and if I this becomes the case, perhaps even the right wing parties in Israel might decide (at least from a strategic point of view) to concede West Bank, in exchange for more weapons from the US.
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