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Who is Shaker al-Barjawi ?

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We don't know for sure who killed Sheikh Abdul Wahed. Was it purely an accident, as the Lebanese army is saying? Or was it planned and orchestrated by pro-Syria Lebanese figures, as March 14 is saying?

What we do know, however, is that a new chapter has been opened in Lebanese politics - which perhaps will outlive the Syrian uprising itself - and the man to watch will be Shaker al-Barjawi.

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http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Local-News ... z23gA6oV6v
Kidnappings veer Lebanon toward 'major chaos'
August 16, 2012 03:46 AM By Thomas El-Basha


BEIRUT: The kidnappings Wednesday of over two dozen Syrians, a Turkish national and one Saudi citizen by a local Lebanese clan in retaliation for the abduction of one of their own in Damascus has edged this small Mediterranean country closer to major political chaos, political sources warned.

Arab reactions to the kidnappings – travel advisories by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates that their citizens should leave the country immediately – cast further doubts over Lebanon’s ability to weather the unrest in its eastern neighbor Syria.

“What happened today is a clear indication that we are at the brink of major chaos in Lebanon,” a senior political source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told The Daily Star Thursday.

“The storm in Syria has reached Lebanon now and there is no going back,” the source added.

Wednesday’s kidnappings were further complicated by conflicting reports of the fate of 11 Lebanese pilgrims abducted in Syria in May, with several media saying that the pilgrims were killed in a Syrian army aerial bombardment of Azaz, in the northwest of Syria.

A source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told The Daily Star that the 11 pilgrims, who were kidnapped in Syria on May 22 shortly after crossing from Turkey, were still alive and safe.

The Meqdad clan, which hails from east Lebanon’s Bekaa region, said Wednesday it kidnapped over 30 men it said were members or supporters of the Free Syrian Army in retaliation for the abduction of one of its kinsman earlier in the week in Damascus.

Maher Meqdad, who said his family fields an armed wing, told The Daily Star Wednesday that his clan had taken matters into its own hands as the Lebanese government had taken no steps to free their kinsman, Hassan Meqdad.

“We will do it ourselves, and we have what you can call a regulated army to do the job,” he said.

Maher said that his family was acting according to the “eye for an eye” principle, and no longer needs the Lebanese government to intervene in order to secure the release of Hassan.

According to one Arab media report, Hassan was detained by the FSA in the Syrian capital Monday on suspicion of belonging to Hezbollah and aiding the Syrian regime in its fight against the rebels.

Hezbollah denied Tuesday Hassan was a member of the resistance.

Despite FSA denials Wednesday that the rebel group was not behind Hassan’s abduction, the Meqdads said they would continue their actions until Hassan was released.

The group also held Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey responsible for Hassan’s kidnapping, “because they support the FSA,” and backed their threats against them by abducting a Turkish national and a Saudi citizen.

Saudi Arabia, citing the “open threats” against it, instructed its nationals to leave the country immediately.

Saudi Ambassador to Lebanon Ali Awad al-Asiri told the National News Agency that he had also requested that all Saudi nationals not visit the country “given the current circumstances.”

The United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar issued similar travel advisories, warning its citizen to stay away from Lebanon and for those in the country to leave as soon as possible.

The travel advisories issued throughout the day coincided with action by the relatives of the kidnapped on the street.

With burning tires, a number of the relatives blocked the road both to and from Beirut’s international airport, which led to at least one carrier altering its planned arrival in Beirut to Amman, Jordan.

The NNA reported that there were also preparations to block the Beirut-Damascus highway leading to the eastern border crossing of Masnaa


Read more: http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Local-News ... z23gAudIjk
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BEIRUT: Despite repeated Arab and international warnings over a fallout of the 17-month uprising in Syria spreading to Lebanon, the Syrian turmoil has spilled over into the politically divided country, threatening to plunge it into total chaos, analysts and political sources said Thursday.

“The spillover of the Syrian uprising has reached Lebanon,” Hilal Khashan, professor of political sciences at the American University of Beirut, told The Daily Star. “Lebanon is poised for heightened insecurity that falls short of a civil war, mainly as a result of the spillover of the Syrian unrest, into the country.”

Wednesday’s mass kidnappings of over two dozen Syrians, a Turkish national and a Saudi citizen by a local Lebanese clan in retaliation for the abduction of one of its kinsmen by Syrian rebels as well as the blocking of Beirut airport road and the Beirut-Damascus highway at the Masnaa border crossing with burning tires by rival protesters have revived memories of the chaos and anarchy that reigned during the 1975-90 Civil War when rival militias held sway at the expense of state authority.

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TRIPOLI, Lebanon: Sporadic sniper fire left one man dead Thursday in northern city of Tripoli Thursday, violating a shaky truce aimed at putting an end to the violence.

Mohammad Sulteye was gunned down in Jabal Mohsen Thursday afternoon.

Earlier, cautious calm had prevailed in rival neighborhoods of the anti-Assad Sunni dominant Bab al-Tabbaneh district and the pro-Assad Alawite area of Jabal Mohsen following three days of deadly clashes that killed at least 12 and wounded over 70, including 11 soldiers.

The periodic sounds of gunshots coupled with sniper fire came as no surprise Thursday given that some groups in Bab al-Tabbaneh had not agreed to the cease-fire.

In a bid to resolve the crisis in the city, political and security officials met at Future Movement lawmaker Mohammad Kabbara’s residence Wednesday and orchestrated a truce agreed to by leaders from Jabal Mohsen which went into effect at 5:30 p.m.

The officials also called on the Lebanese Army to deploy in all conflict zones. Army units strengthened their presence along Syria Street, with a symbolic presence in both neighborhoods.

Lebanon’s Defense Minister Fayez Ghosn defended the army’s performance Thursday, saying the military is doing its best given its minimal capabilities.

“The Tripoli problem between Bab al-Tabbaneh and Jabal Mohsen in particular is chronic and only needed a few issues for it to reignite, but the Army is trying to control the situation according to the available capabilities,” Ghosn told a local radio station.

The minister also warned that if the fighting continued, all of Lebanon would be affected.
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Tripoli trapped in Syria quagmire

TRIPOLI, Lebanon: A tenuous lull set in late Friday in Tripoli after fierce clashes between supporters and opponents of Syrian President Bashar Assad killed five people including a Salafist sheikh, shattering a precarious cease-fire.

The renewed fighting, which also wounded 21, including a Canadian journalist and nine soldiers, prompted warnings from the United States and Great Britain that the bloody crisis in nearby Syria is spreading to Lebanon.

A Lebanese employee of Sky News Arabia, Hussein Nahle, and a Canadian journalist identified as Maura Delli were wounded by sniper fire while covering the fighting, security sources said. They were reported to be in stable condition.

During fierce clashes in the early hours of Friday, anti-Assad Salafist Sheikh Khaled Baradie, 28, was hit by a sniper in the Sunni-dominated Bab al-Tabbaneh district of the city.
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Somebody is trying to polish their image by jumping on the bandwagon.

http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2 ... z26nEK0dNs
BEIRUT: Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah warned the United States Monday against broadcasting the full version of an anti-Islam film, in a rare public speech at a rally attended by tens of thousands in Beirut’s southern suburbs.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon urged American citizens to stay away from areas where further protests against the film are planned, and the State Department updated its travel warning for the country.

“The U.S. should know that broadcasting the full version of the movie will have very, very, very dangerous repercussions worldwide,” a visibly emotional Nasrallah said.

“If 12 minutes of the film can [create such a reaction as this], what would be the result if the full version was out?” the Hezbollah leader asked.

Nasrallah surprised the crowds who had gathered to protest the film with his unexpected public appearance. Surrounded by bodyguards, he made his way to a nearby stage.

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Massive bomb explosion kills eight in Beirut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20008827
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planctom wrote:Massive bomb explosion kills eight in Beirut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20008827
Ah, but does this belong in the Syria thread? Or the Syria-Turkey thread?

Damn wars won't stay in their neat little boxes. I blame Arabs.
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Ibrahim wrote:
planctom wrote:Massive bomb explosion kills eight in Beirut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20008827
Ah, but does this belong in the Syria thread? Or the Syria-Turkey thread?

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Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.
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Hans Bulvai wrote:Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.
Violente erupts after the funeral of General al-Hassan; heavy gunfire was heard in Beirut this Sunday.
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planctom wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.
Violente erupts after the funeral of General al-Hassan; heavy gunfire was heard in Beirut this Sunday.
Logically, Beirut is divided among those who support the Assad regime and those who oppose it. Obviously everyone (especially the Lebanese!) were hoping that this wouldn't erupt in violence there, but clearly one or both sides couldn't restrain themselves.

Allegedly al-Hassan was involved in the most recent assassination of a Lebanese PM, so he was tied up in the game.
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Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

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Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


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Similar here - Better than the alternative....

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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

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Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


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Thank you Very Much for your Post, Azari.

Similar happens here in Uz........ Koch Industries........ Under-reporting of oil pumped to Indian Tribe owners and Federal Govt........ Claimed it was a mistake....... Fined........
West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out
Not all of Uz feel that way...but IMVHO that is Better than having the Arabs/Muslims united and raiding/invading Uz and Rest of West ;) like they did before petroleum oil was more than a dirty sticky mess: Caliphate Crap & Dhimmitude , Poiters , Barbary/Southeast Asian Muslim Pirates, Gates of Vienna...
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monster_gardener wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:
West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out

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Not all of Uz feel that way...but IMVHO that is Better than having the Arabs/Muslims united and raiding/invading Uz and Rest of West ;) like they did before petroleum oil was more than a dirty sticky mess : Caliphate Crap & Dhimmitude , Poiters , Barbary/Southeast Asian Muslim Pirates, Gates of Vienna..

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Those Arab you talking about, those who still now have weekly beheading cessions in public square .. or those cousins of Tchingiz Khan @ Vienna gate .. are now your friends and allies


Your quarrel is with Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

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Re: Similar here - Better than the alternative....

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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:
West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out

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Not all of Uz feel that way...but IMVHO that is Better than having the Arabs/Muslims united and raiding/invading Uz and Rest of West ;) like they did before petroleum oil was more than a dirty sticky mess : Caliphate Crap & Dhimmitude , Poiters , Barbary/Southeast Asian Muslim Pirates, Gates of Vienna..

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Those Arab you talking about, those who still now have weekly beheading cessions in public square .. or those cousins of Tchingiz Khan @ Vienna gate .. are now your friends and allies


Your quarrel is with Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

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Thank you Very Much for your Post, Azari........
now your friends and allies
That's officer territory........ Bush Family..........

Not friends of Black Gang.....

And the Persian Paladins may get us all killed too........

"Good" people sometimes cause as much trouble as bad people or more.......
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monster_gardener wrote:
Jnalum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:
West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out

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Not all of Uz feel that way...but IMVHO that is Better than having the Arabs/Muslims united and raiding/invading Uz and Rest of West ;) like they did before petroleum oil was more than a dirty sticky mess : Caliphate Crap & Dhimmitude , Poiters , Barbary/Southeast Asian Muslim Pirates, Gates of Vienna..

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Those Arab you talking about, those who still now have weekly beheading cessions in public square .. or those cousins of Tchingiz Khan @ Vienna gate .. are now your friends and allies


Your quarrel is with Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Hegel.JPG


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Thank you Very Much for your Post, Azari........
now your friends and allies
That's officer territory........ Bush Family..........

Not friends of Black Gang.....


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:lol: :lol: .. you can't have the cake (Oil) and eat it too


spare you posting pictures of Qaddafi with Obama , Qaddafi with Bush, Qaddafi with Blair and Sarko .. and .. Qaddafi with Berlusconi with the girls

all that

including Bush in Sahara with all those weird looking Wahhabi (so called) princes

is business

to bring you guys Oil

when the times comes, they stick bayonets in bums of those Bedouins or hang them


monster_gardener wrote:
And the Persian Paladins may get us all killed too ........

"Good" people sometimes cause as much trouble as bad people or more......

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Condoleezza (Rice), asked what Iran really want, replied, Iran asking a too high price

No .. the price is not Israel .. Iran does not care about Israel, non of our business

Iran want, Iran's LEGITIMATE rights

meaning

Central Asia, KavKaz .. they one of us, they were stolen by Tzars .. they, the people, heart of Persian civilization .. they one of us, they ours

Samarghand , Bokhara .. they ours


Greater Khorasan .. It's Weimar for us


America must pay the price Iran is asking

Iran does not want to occupy or conquer .. Iran wants Iranians cultural and civilization umbrella, hegemony




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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

.

Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


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I agree. Not Syria, not Iran or Hezbollah did this.
Lets just say the same people that killed Harriri are the ones that did this.
Now both of those guys are burried next to each other.
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Fighting rages in north Lebanon, more killed

http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Local-News ... z2A5edrx00
TRIPOLI, Lebanon: Fighting raged Monday in the northern city of Tripoli between the rival neighborhoods of Jabal Mohsen and Bab al-Tabbaneh, raising the number of fatalities of the clashes that erupted over the weekend to five, security sources said.

The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said more than 20 people were wounded as a result of the clashes between Jabal Mohsen, residents of which support Syrian President Bashar Assad, and Bab al-Tabbaneh, which largely supports the uprising in Lebanon’s neighbor.

On Sunday, Gunmen opened fire in the air after a fiery speech by Akkar Mufti Sheikh Ossama Rifai in Beirut during the funeral of police Brig. Gen. Wissam al-Hasan, killing a 15-year-old resident of Jabal Mohsen. The death of Rola Fakhro triggered the armed clashes between the rival neighborhoods.

Assad supporter Rifaat Eid, the head of the Arab Democratic Party, urged the Lebanese Army Monday to respond to the sources of fire and take control of the situation, the sources said.

Meanwhile, the military was out en masse in Tripoli’s main Nour Square to prevent any possible escalation by Future Movement supporters who have set up at least eight tents outside Prime Minister Najib Mikati’s residence.

The tents are part of a sit-in launched Sunday by Akkar MP Mouin Merhebi, a member in the Future parliamentary bloc.

On Sunday, Future parliamentary bloc leader MP Fouad Siniora, speaking at the funeral of Hasan in Beirut, called on Mikati to resign
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Hans Bulvai wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:.
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

.

Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


.

I agree.

Not Syria, not Iran or Hezbollah did this.

Lets just say the same people that killed Harriri are the ones that did this.

Now both of those guys are berried next to each other.


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Iran wants a renaissance in Arab land

Iran wants change in ALL Arab lands ,

but

Iran not interested in chaos (military means) in ANY Arab land .. not in Saudi Arabia, not in Bahrain, not in Qatar, not in Syria or Egypt or Lebanon

Iran wants the mass "democratically", by election, take power

if push would come to shovel .. General Strike, civil disobedience and and and

why ? ?

because only a overwhelming majority can pull a democratic regime change out of the hat .. and that is the guaranty for lasting change to the better

A change by military means would mean overwhelming (consensus) majority for that change does not exist .. would lead to more of the same

In that sense Iran has no interest to interfere in FERMENTATION process of Arab renaissance .. Iran only will interfere to counter Western interference in the Arab awakening

In that sense, all these assassinations, Harriri and this new case, throwing Lebanon into civil war, is against Iranian interest

Those who want chaos and Arabs fighting Arabs to enable them to fish in muddy waters, they killed Harriri and the recent bombing

and

elas

Turkey in bed with them, quite openly




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Chaos and the Madhi and Arab/Sunni Unity.....

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Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:.
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

.

Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


.

I agree.

Not Syria, not Iran or Hezbollah did this.

Lets just say the same people that killed Harriri are the ones that did this.

Now both of those guys are berried next to each other.


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Iran wants a renaissance in Arab land

Iran wants change in ALL Arab lands ,

but

Iran not interested in chaos (military means) in ANY Arab land .. not in Saudi Arabia, not in Bahrain, not in Qatar, not in Syria or Egypt or Lebanon

Iran wants the mass "democratically", by election, take power

if push would come to shovel .. General Strike, civil disobedience and and and

why ? ?

because only a overwhelming majority can pull a democratic regime change out of the hat .. and that is the guaranty for lasting change to the better

A change by military means would mean overwhelming (consensus) majority for that change does not exist .. would lead to more of the same

In that sense Iran has no interest to interfere in FERMENTATION process of Arab renaissance .. Iran only will interfere to counter Western interference in the Arab awakening

In that sense, all these assassinations, Harriri and this new case, throwing Lebanon into civil war, is against Iranian interest

Those who want chaos and Arabs fighting Arabs to enable them to fish in muddy waters, they killed Harriri and the recent bombing

and

elas

Turkey in bed with them, quite openly




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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Maybe you don't want chaos..........

But I'm not so sure that some Iranians/Shia don't want chaos.....

AIUI lots of chaos is what is needed for the Mahdi to rise to lead the Shia to victory...........

And do even you want the Arabs/Sunnis united......... What happened to Persia the first time that happened.........

IIRC Remembering a recent quote from a Killer Klown of a Muslim Bro in Egypt to the effect that 'the Shia are worse than the Jews'.........
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Re: Chaos and the Madhi and Arab/Sunni Unity.....

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monster_gardener wrote:
Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:.
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

.

Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


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I agree.

Not Syria, not Iran or Hezbollah did this.

Lets just say the same people that killed Harriri are the ones that did this.

Now both of those guys are berried next to each other.


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Iran wants a renaissance in Arab land

Iran wants change in ALL Arab lands ,

but

Iran not interested in chaos (military means) in ANY Arab land .. not in Saudi Arabia, not in Bahrain, not in Qatar, not in Syria or Egypt or Lebanon

Iran wants the mass "democratically", by election, take power

if push would come to shovel .. General Strike, civil disobedience and and and

why ? ?

because only a overwhelming majority can pull a democratic regime change out of the hat .. and that is the guaranty for lasting change to the better

A change by military means would mean overwhelming (consensus) majority for that change does not exist .. would lead to more of the same

In that sense Iran has no interest to interfere in FERMENTATION process of Arab renaissance .. Iran only will interfere to counter Western interference in the Arab awakening

In that sense, all these assassinations, Harriri and this new case, throwing Lebanon into civil war, is against Iranian interest

Those who want chaos and Arabs fighting Arabs to enable them to fish in muddy waters, they killed Harriri and the recent bombing

and

elas

Turkey in bed with them, quite openly




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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Maybe you don't want chaos..........

But I'm not so sure that some Iranians/Shia don't want chaos.....

AIUI lots of chaos is what is needed for the Mahdi to rise to lead the Shia to victory...........

And do even you want the Arabs/Sunnis united......... What happened to Persia the first time that happened.........

IIRC Remembering a recent quote from a Killer Klown of a Muslim Bro in Egypt to the effect that 'the Shia are worse than the Jews'.........
These are points and fears that many are echoing across the Arab world.
There are two camps. The first say that Israel did this to embroil Hezbollah in Lebanon thus lessening the pressure if Israel attacks Iran. The second say that this is the work of Iran/Syria doing this to keep the Sunnis from uniting.

Time will tell.
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Re: The Lebanon Thread

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It clearly originates in Syria, not some Israeli conspiracy. If Israeli wants to meddle in Lebanon they won't be that subtle about it (see: most recent Hezbollah war).
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Re: Chaos and the Madhi and Arab/Sunni Unity.....

Post by Jnalum Persicum »

Hans Bulvai wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Jnalum Persicum wrote:
Hans Bulvai wrote:.
Jnalum Persicum wrote:.
Hans Bulvai wrote:.

Who benefits by this is the question.

We will know by what happens next.

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Hans ,

One thing everybody, even on this board, agrees

is

Lebanon now will fall into factions fighting each other

Question is

Who has an interest that all Arab countries should fall into infighting, chaos ? ?

Not the Arabs itself .. not Iranians .. not Chinese .. not Russians

but

West

west wants chaos in ME to take the oil NOT EVEN METERED let alone paid for

Nobody controls how much oil is taken by western companies in Arab lands .. not patriot Arabs
but Western engineers (or their Arab agents) control things

When Dr. Mossadegh nationalized Iranian Oil, and took control (from Brits) of Iranian Oil installations, Iran discovered there were unreported, unregistered Oil pipelines to the port, much more Oil were taken by Brits than reported to Iran

Same thing is happening in Arab lands

West wants Arabs fight each other till that last drop of Oil runs out


.

I agree.

Not Syria, not Iran or Hezbollah did this.

Lets just say the same people that killed Harriri are the ones that did this.

Now both of those guys are berried next to each other.


.



Iran wants a renaissance in Arab land

Iran wants change in ALL Arab lands ,

but

Iran not interested in chaos (military means) in ANY Arab land .. not in Saudi Arabia, not in Bahrain, not in Qatar, not in Syria or Egypt or Lebanon

Iran wants the mass "democratically", by election, take power

if push would come to shovel .. General Strike, civil disobedience and and and

why ? ?

because only a overwhelming majority can pull a democratic regime change out of the hat .. and that is the guaranty for lasting change to the better

A change by military means would mean overwhelming (consensus) majority for that change does not exist .. would lead to more of the same

In that sense Iran has no interest to interfere in FERMENTATION process of Arab renaissance .. Iran only will interfere to counter Western interference in the Arab awakening

In that sense, all these assassinations, Harriri and this new case, throwing Lebanon into civil war, is against Iranian interest

Those who want chaos and Arabs fighting Arabs to enable them to fish in muddy waters, they killed Harriri and the recent bombing

and

elas

Turkey in bed with them, quite openly




.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Maybe you don't want chaos..........

But I'm not so sure that some Iranians/Shia don't want chaos.....

AIUI lots of chaos is what is needed for the Mahdi to rise to lead the Shia to victory...........

And do even you want the Arabs/Sunnis united......... What happened to Persia the first time that happened.........

IIRC Remembering a recent quote from a Killer Klown of a Muslim Bro in Egypt to the effect that 'the Shia are worse than the Jews'.........

These are points and fears that many are echoing across the Arab world.
There are two camps.

The first say that Israel did this to embroil Hezbollah in Lebanon thus lessening the pressure if Israel attacks Iran.

The second say that this is the work of Iran/Syria doing this to keep the Sunnis from uniting.

.

Hans,


I don't think Israel did this or even (politically) can do these kind of things which have major effect in game played by big boys in that space .. Israel is too small, and, Israel's only interest is security of Israel (a relative narrow defined local goal) .. Game played in that space is World-Eenegy "Need & security & dominance" .. game played since 1900 .. the big boys (sometimes) use Israel for their goals, and Israel knows this, but, Israel nothing to say in that game .. WW 1&2 was all about resources .. and now, China, India, Brazil, Russia etc @ the table

I am not sure whether all things WEST is instigating in Arab world, Qaddafi, Mubarak, Syria and and is in Israel's interest .. I not even think Israel/Zionist/Jews have decisive power and influence of what is happening in ME, they too played by WEST in the game played

Chaos in ME, in Arab lands, in central Asia, in KavKaz, in Iran, Pakistan and and has only one beneficiary .. that is WEST

When Cheney became president (he was the real president and not poor W.), he assembled the Oil guys and Iraq was pulled out of the hat, same script is now continuing

Western resource interest, in Arab case, Oil interest, are doing all the bombing in Arab land (and beyond) .. Qaddafi overthrow, Sudan partition, Iraq (Terrorism) and and and all done by West in tandem with western Oil interest

People might say this "conspiracy" , or, even,YMix could transfer this to Conspiracy in Hell, but you remember arrest of British SAS in Mullah costume laying bombs in market in Basra ? ? .. probably all bombs laid in Iraq killing so many civilians and blamed on Sunni is laid by West and their agents

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep20 ... -s28.shtml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -jail.html

http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/ ... prung.html

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WiKi


The Basra prison incident is a controversial event involving British troops in Basra, Iraq. On 19 September 2005, two undercover British Special Air Service soldiers disguised in Arab civilian garments and headdresses opened fire on Iraqi police officers after having been stopped at a roadblock. Two Iraqi officers were shot, at least one of whom died. [1] The two British men were arrested and taken to the Al Jameat police station.

British tanks encircled the jail where the men (whose photographs have been widely circulated but whose names have not been made public) were being held. A crowd gathered and began throwing stones and petrol bombs at the tanks, setting at least one ablaze. Three British soldiers were injured and, according to some reports, two demonstrators were killed. [1]

After nightfall, the British army returned and stormed the prison where the SAS men were being held, breaking down the walls and freeing the two SAS men. According to the governor of Basra province, Mohammed al-Waili, the British had used "more than ten tanks backed by helicopters" to carry out the raid. After the British army left, around 150 other prisoners fled the prison. [1][2]

The Ministry of Defence initially denied storming the prison.[3] In later statements, it is explained that the soldiers would have likely been killed, and that the police force had been infiltrated by illegal militia groups.

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SAS False Flag in Basra

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Turkey fooled into that game, promises of this and that (Kirkuk Oil fields) .. things could end bad for Turkey when dust settles .. Ibrahim knows this but says he Canadian now :lol: :lol: , wonder what he doing in Ottawa :)




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Re: The Lebanon Thread

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No arguments from me amigo.
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