Fred Hirsch

[noddy]

just came across this fellow Fred Hirsch in my morning meanderings.

he seems to have another variation on the capitalism requires pre capitalism attitudes to support it theme.

In his book, Social Limits to Growth, Hirsch argued that the modern market economy is successful only to the extent that it stands on the shoulders of a pre-capitalist ideology. He was concerned that the growth and maturation of the market economy undermined the moral and ideological foundations upon which it depended. The market economy depends on respect for rules that cannot be enforced by law alone. It depends on the owners of business being permitted to maximise their own wealth and incomes in certain defined ways, and on others in society foregoing the opportunity to take advantage of their own positions to do likewise.

i did get a good snicker out of his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_good analysis - society focusing on "neener neener" aspects and the inherint failings of relativity in regards perception.

i also agreed with his stance that land and property are currently neener neener goods and as such a zero sum game played for perception reasons.


anyone read or studied this fellow ?

[Mr. Perfect]

No, but I'm familiar with the subject matter. A lot of it is duh obvious, trade is as natural as any bodily function and goes back into the earliest prehistories, including gold standards. What's worked for thousands of years mystically now can't work and we need a new paradigm that oddly is going bankrupt and destroying civilization in the process.

When a group of people achieve a certain level of wealth the predators/leftists/thugs come in and start creating passive aggressive rationales for stealing people's wealth via community/state fictions.

The problem is that someone like Hirsch doesn't recognize it for what it is, thuggery and thievery and tries to make love with it intellectually. Intellectual love making with evil has real limits, mostly you need baseball bats and so forth.

[noddy]

from what i had read so far in the summaries it was not striking me as particularly leftist inclined and was more focused on the absurdities of the value perceptions that people, including leftists, use to make their judgements of fairness and success.

[Mr. Perfect]

That too, but what I was speaking to is some conservatives inexplicable inclination to try to intellectualize liberalism, like negotiating with an intruder robbing your house. There is nothing to understand, just get a baseball bat.

[noddy]

sometimes they are nihilist psychos on amphetamines who need a bullet between the eyes and a baseball bat is too gentle other times they are bored kids who just need shouting at.

its hard to put it all in one catagory.

[Mr. Perfect]

True, but that's the conversation to be had, not psychoanalysis in search of common ground.

[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

Seems that Hirsch is making his own statement of augustinian realism, and not because David said something similar, though he published a lovely monograph on the subject....'>.....

Nations fail, Augustine argued, because peoples fail, and peoples fail because they love the wrong things. A people defines itself by what it loves, and false love produces a frail and fragile nation. America’s exceptional history as the only nation in the world with two centuries of political continuity stems from its people’s love for individual rights, which they hold to be inalienable because they are granted by a power that no human agency dare oppose.

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2010 ... f-interest


and........

http://www.30giorni.it/articoli_id_779_l3.htm


Christopher Lasch should be given attention IMO. He was our counter-Gramsci......;>..........

http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Only-Hea ... 0393307956

[noddy]

Seems that Hirsch is making his own statement of augustinian realism, and not because David said something similar, though he published a lovely monograph on the subject....'>.....

Nations fail, Augustine argued, because peoples fail, and peoples fail because they love the wrong things. A people defines itself by what it loves, and false love produces a frail and fragile nation. America’s exceptional history as the only nation in the world with two centuries of political continuity stems from its people’s love for individual rights, which they hold to be inalienable because they are granted by a power that no human agency dare oppose.

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2010 ... f-interest


and........

http://www.30giorni.it/articoli_id_779_l3.htm


Christopher Lasch should be given attention IMO. He was our counter-Gramsci......;>..........

http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Only-Hea ... 0393307956

noice. tah.