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Is Economics a Science? Dogmatic Economics Vs. Reflective Economics - Philip Pilkington

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The question asked in the title of this post is actually somewhat of a trick. It is a trick because it all depends upon how you define ‘science’. Often when people say that economics is a science what they are doing is defining ‘science’ in such a way that economics fits the bill. They can do this because there is no real, firm definition of ‘science’ that is widely held among philosophers of science, scientists or, most certainly, among economists (who are the most anti-intellectual of the three groups by far).

If we look at Wikipedia, for example, it gives a definition of science that is Popperian — despite the fact that Popper’s falsifiability criteria have been called into question since the 1960s.

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.

By this criteria economics is probably not a science because it cannot undertake repeatable experiments. Even in a weaker form most marginalist proclamations can be tested and falsified in the sense that they can be shown to not hold given the data we hold yet they remain powerful arguments within the discipline and are taught to students.

Let me then give a different definition of science. I am not saying that this is the correct one but it appears to me to be the one that modern economics as a discipline tried to follow when it was being born in the 19th and 20th century. My definition is as such: science is the search for timeless laws.

Here the obvious reference is Newton and his physics. Now, while we know that Newton’s system was imperfect and was completely overturned in the early 20th century the spirit of what he was doing was, I think, what gave rise to the scientific impulse during the Enlightenment out of which economics was born. When you look at a supply and demand graph you are looking at a representation that is trying to copy Newton by giving us timeless laws. This is also how such constructions are taught to students (any concerns are whisked away using the mysterious ‘ceteris paribus‘ clause).

By this criteria I do not believe that economics is science either. Before undertaking such a discussion I will first lay out my underlying criticism which will be long familiar to readers of this blog: economics deals with historical time which is non-homogenous and thus cannot generate timeless laws. Anything that remotely resembles a functional timeless law in economics is in fact an identity and is true only by its tautological construction.

Let us turn to the precursor to classical economics to give a sense of what I am saying. I am speaking, of course, of mercantilism. In this regard it is worth noting a now somewhat obscure work by the Soviet Marxist economist I.I. Rubin entitled A History of Economic Thought. It has been recently made available online and it is well worth a read.

What is so interesting about the work is that it places the older economic theories in their historical contexts. Rubin discusses each theory with respect to the specific circumstances of the historical situation out of which it emerged. What Rubin tried to show was that mercantilist theory and policy was not a simple ‘mistake’ as the later classical economists tried to portray them. Rather the mercantilist period was a phase of development of the young capitalist states that would go on to conquer the world. He writes:

The basic feature of mercantilist policy is that the state actively uses its powers to help implant and develop a young capitalist trade and industry and, through the use of protectionist measures, diligently defends it from foreign competition. (p26)

When economies had finished with this stage of development and had developed sufficient industrial capacity they were then ready to open up to the world and dominate its markets. It was at this stage that the classical economists arrived on the scene with their doctrines of free trade. This accounts for why the free trade dogma was accepted at different times in different countries. The Americans and the Germans rejected it until the late-19th and early-20th century simply because if they had adhered to it in the early and mid-19th century they would have been dominated by British industry.

Seen in this light it becomes clear that it is fruitless to ask whether an economic doctrine is ‘true’ in some timeless sense. That would be like asking whether, say, feudal law is ‘true’. Feudal law is neither true nor false. Rather it is the formalisation of a code by which a certain type of society organised itself. For that particular type of social organisation it was functional. If we tried to transplant it into a modern capitalist democracy it would probably prove dysfunctional.

Thus economics, and with it economists, fall into two categories. On the one hand we have what I opt to call ‘dogmatic economics’. Dogmatic economists are basically ideologues. They think that they have access to timeless truths and are scientists in the Newtonian mold. These economists are probably apt to get most things wrong most of the time. They also likely change their basic discourse over and over again. In the face of an ever-changing history they roll with the times, all the while maintaining the pretense that they have access to timeless truths. Basically the interpret and reinterpret their dogmas in light of new facts. The purpose of the dogmas is not illumination, rather it is to lend what they say authority. Dogmatic economists make up the majority of academic economists and also some very high up policy economists in government and economic institutions.

The other category of economics is what I opt to call ‘reflective economics’. Reflective economists understand that what they do is provide interpretations of a given historical constellation. They understand that there are better and worse interpretations — just like a judge can recognise a better or a worse interpretation of a law — but they do not hold to the idea that there are timeless, Newtonian laws in economics. Much of the sort of theory that they promote might be said to be very loose-fitting in that the tools needed for such interpretation tend to be less precise than those exacting constructions put together by the dogmatists. Reflective economists make up the minority of economists in academia. But the vast majority of serious working economists are in practice reflective economists.

What is the relationship between dogmatic and reflective economists in our society? Here there is no firm answer. The dogmatic economists react to the reflective economists in two ways: condescension and deep suspicion/fear. Working economists who do not partake in theoretical debate can be safely condescended to by the dogmatic economists. But the reflective economist who actually tries to engage in theoretical debate will provoke confusion and frustration in the dogmatic economist who is not used to having his or her authority challenged. The main device utilised here is to simply ignore these reflective economists and try to push them out of the debate through social isolation.

The reflective economists also react in two ways to the dogmatic economists. Some build a relationship of what psychotherapists call ‘transference‘ to the dogmatic economists. They assume that the dogmatic economists do in fact have access to timeless truths and that they, the poor working economist, did not make the cut to gain access to these truths. This reinforces the dogmatic economists’ power and social prestige. The other reaction is one of overt hostility. These reflective economists know that the dogmatic economists are Emperors that do not wear any clothes and they make no bones about saying it in public. This makes them quite unpopular with the dogmatic economists who then try to avoid such awkward discussions by isolating the critical reflective economists
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No. It is a field of study. I don't know how you could take a science class and ever confuse economics with science.
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This makes perfect sense. If I understand the concept of ergodicity, it's that we don't give equal consideration for every possible outcome of a given event:
Peters asserts his methods will free economics from thinking in terms of expected values over non-existent parallel universes and focus on how people make decisions in this one. His theory will also eliminate the need for the increasingly elaborate “fudges” economists use to explain away the inconsistencies between their models and reality.
A better model of predicting human behaviour and I suspect, is also more congruent with the maths:

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A friend who has a degree in economics, said one of his economics professor's was fond of saying "Economics is a mixture of alchemy and poker."
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Martin Hutchinson | Extraordinary popular delusions and the prizes they bring
The power of conventional leftist wisdom is very great; it dominates the committees that select academic appointments, research funding and the major prizes, thereby producing huge incentives for work by upcoming economists that justifies it. There is always a market for studies that prove that mass illegal immigration does not depress wage rates, or that an increase in the “indentured labor” of H1B and H2B visas does not depress the life prospects of young domestic workers with similar qualifications.
Expert opinions propounding the huge danger of global warming, the benign nature of illegal immigration, the harmless nature of minimum wage legislation and the boundless efficacy of the Covid-19 lockdowns are telling the world what the woke globalist classes want it to hear, and so can be sure of being showered with honors, prizes, promotions and lucrative book deals. I do not begrudge the Nobel Prize for Card, Angrist and Imbens; they may well be worthy of it on general grounds, but their work should be suspect because it fits the Nobel Committee’s preferred narrative too well. Whatever one’s view of climate change, illegal immigration and the like, the same is true of any research or “expert” testimony that backs the preferred narrative.
Unfortunate to see two-thirds of the Nobel award in physics this year politicized.
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Typhoon wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:37 pm Martin Hutchinson | Extraordinary popular delusions and the prizes they bring
The power of conventional leftist wisdom is very great; it dominates the committees that select academic appointments, research funding and the major prizes, thereby producing huge incentives for work by upcoming economists that justifies it. There is always a market for studies that prove that mass illegal immigration does not depress wage rates, or that an increase in the “indentured labor” of H1B and H2B visas does not depress the life prospects of young domestic workers with similar qualifications.
Expert opinions propounding the huge danger of global warming, the benign nature of illegal immigration, the harmless nature of minimum wage legislation and the boundless efficacy of the Covid-19 lockdowns are telling the world what the woke globalist classes want it to hear, and so can be sure of being showered with honors, prizes, promotions and lucrative book deals. I do not begrudge the Nobel Prize for Card, Angrist and Imbens; they may well be worthy of it on general grounds, but their work should be suspect because it fits the Nobel Committee’s preferred narrative too well. Whatever one’s view of climate change, illegal immigration and the like, the same is true of any research or “expert” testimony that backs the preferred narrative.
Unfortunate to see two-thirds of the Nobel award in physics this year politicized.
I wonder if anyone ever analyzed the research that lead to that awarding of a Nobel Prize in order to quantify how big of a deal the research really was. My guess is it would find that many Nobel's should not have been awarded.
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It seems to me that economics is an extension of psychology, specifically behaviorism. It is one thing to do science on something very complex as human psychology and social behavior, which is difficult enough... but let these same people devise economic structures and regulations in the negotiated environment of politics, seems to me a recipe for disaster. Serial miscarriages.

Of course, it is an illusion to think that more control over the environment, over all the cogs that take part in this immense machinery, would solve any problems. Central controls and central planning have proven to end up in commi-socialist disasters. So, the conclusion has been to let the market be as free as possible and have as many as possible free cogs, driven by self-interest and constrained by only a minimum amount of regulation, compete and that way generate maximum wealth and well-being. This however, solves only half of the problem which is why we still had 1933, 2008 and the next one that is around the corner in 2024/25.

What happened is that the big cogs, with their fingers in the underwear of politics and infiltrating regulatory bodies with their biggest victory being the murder of the Glass-Stegall act of 1933, have created and put into motion a global machinery that nobody understands anymore, leaving the best of economists pulling their eyebrows and poking each other’s brain for answers.

Methinks, the answer is easy: you should not let econ-psychologists and their friends in politics try to fix those problems. Trained engineers should take over and decide in key positions. Like ones who develop ships and boats better able to weather storms.

ChatGPT generated some thoughts about it.. which captures the idea pretty much.

Although regulations, law...even a constitution… all appear meant to "create and facilitate context and environment for the free market to blossom", this is a fatal misconception imho. There is no real difference between putting together an airplane, sea liner, car or washing machine... or a regulatory structure. A car driving a road is a designed machine operating in an environment that is fundamentally chaotic and under nobody's full control, but so is an economy that is designed and put together by all sorts of regulations and institutions managing those regulations. The economy is a man-made machine just as all other machines are.

The idea that economic problems can best be solved by qualified engineers and should be kept far away from the claws of uneducated regulators and politicians, is probably not new. Implementing their designs and solutions needs politicians who were democratically elected, but I'd like to first hear the sales pitch of the engineers who desinged it and base my vote on their story.

As consumers we all are critical of what we buy, asking for the specs is a 101 thingy. We even have many laws and regulations for consumer-protection. But as for economic design... we all just go to Church and swallow the dogma.
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Q: Is Economics a science?

A: No.
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Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:50 am Q: Is Economics a Science?

A; No.
When the Santa Fe Institute first got started it almost feel apart immediately when they got together some leading Physicists and Economists. The Economists explained their "scientific" rigor to the Physicists and the Physicists apparently could not stop laughing or something to that effect.
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Doc wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:14 pm
Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:50 am Q: Is Economics a Science?

A; No.
When the Santa Fe Institute first got started it almost feel apart immediately when they got together some leading Physicists and Economists. The Economists explained their "scientific" rigor to the Physicists and the Physicists apparently could not stop laughing or something to that effect.
Would not surprise me in the least.

Unlike physics, there are no fundamental laws* to serve as the foundations.

*"Laws" in the sense of physical phenomena that have been verified by experiments countless times.
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Typhoon wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:34 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:14 pm
Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:50 am Q: Is Economics a Science?

A; No.
When the Santa Fe Institute first got started it almost feel apart immediately when they got together some leading Physicists and Economists. The Economists explained their "scientific" rigor to the Physicists and the Physicists apparently could not stop laughing or something to that effect.
Would not surprise me in the least.

Unlike physics, there are no fundamental laws* to serve as the foundations.

*"Laws" in the sense of physical phenomena that have been verified by experiments countless times.
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Typhoon wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:34 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:14 pm
Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:50 am Q: Is Economics a Science?

A; No.
When the Santa Fe Institute first got started it almost feel apart immediately when they got together some leading Physicists and Economists. The Economists explained their "scientific" rigor to the Physicists and the Physicists apparently could not stop laughing or something to that effect.
Would not surprise me in the least.

Unlike physics, there are no fundamental laws* to serve as the foundations.

*"Laws" in the sense of physical phenomena that have been verified by experiments countless times.
It was along the lines of "Laws of economics" and the precision the economists were claiming.

I read it in "Chaos" by Gluck I am not sure where my copy is at the moment but if anyone else has a copy it must have been around page 100. Murray Gell-Mann was one of the physicists so his name should be in the index.
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Doc wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:59 am
Typhoon wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:34 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:14 pm
Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:50 am Q: Is Economics a Science?

A; No.
When the Santa Fe Institute first got started it almost feel apart immediately when they got together some leading Physicists and Economists. The Economists explained their "scientific" rigor to the Physicists and the Physicists apparently could not stop laughing or something to that effect.
Would not surprise me in the least.

Unlike physics, there are no fundamental laws* to serve as the foundations.

*"Laws" in the sense of physical phenomena that have been verified by experiments countless times.
It was along the lines of "Laws of economics" and the precision the economists were claiming.

I read it in "Chaos" by Gluck I am not sure where my copy is at the moment but if anyone else has a copy it must have been around page 100. Murray Gell-Mann was one of the physicists so his name should be in the index.
Going by memory, I think he was one of the founders of the SFE.
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Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:00 pm
Doc wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:59 am
Typhoon wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:34 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:14 pm
Typhoon wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:50 am Q: Is Economics a Science?

A; No.
When the Santa Fe Institute first got started it almost feel apart immediately when they got together some leading Physicists and Economists. The Economists explained their "scientific" rigor to the Physicists and the Physicists apparently could not stop laughing or something to that effect.
Would not surprise me in the least.

Unlike physics, there are no fundamental laws* to serve as the foundations.

*"Laws" in the sense of physical phenomena that have been verified by experiments countless times.
It was along the lines of "Laws of economics" and the precision the economists were claiming.

I read it in "Chaos" by Gluck I am not sure where my copy is at the moment but if anyone else has a copy it must have been around page 100. Murray Gell-Mann was one of the physicists so his name should be in the index.
Going by memory, I think he was one of the founders of the SFE.
Yeah he was.

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Is Science Economical ?

who is going to pay for answers they dont want to hear!
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Even if economics should be considered a science and economists scientists for reasons xyz, they are useless in designing, regulating the nuts and bolts of an economic system. As useless as investment bankers, financial consultants or any other bankster prankster in town; the least qualified and trustworthy people to design such a machine.

Living off certain types of economic machines that serve best their own interest, using influence and money to keep the host-machine that feeds them the way it is. For instance, selling life vests on a cruise ship designed to regularly sink just to sell more of them. Or start a Deck-5 Casino. These types of hustlers don't mind starting a business on badly designed boats, for as long as private life vests and rescue boats are included in the deal. Bailouts are part of their private security arrangements, not yours.

Economists like to log, describe, do all kinds of smart statistics on the behavior of cruise ship passengers. Playing with causation and correlation, create fancy complex theorems about the dance people preferred the night the Titanic sank... while the construction of the ship itself is the elephant in the room.

The economy is a machine like any Titanic, airplane, or Twin Tower skyscraper building. Don't expect wall street firms that went down with the WTC on 9-11 come up with better building designs to withstand similar impacts, or unusual risky conditions. Or from economists as detached from reality as string theorists from the world of experimental physics.

I just wonder when and how it happened that the economy, the ship we are all passengers on, became the field and expertise of economists, hustlers, gamblers, bankster pranksters, career politicians and regulators with zero skin in the game and no awareness of simple engineering basics.

In our perception, the economy is like the climate. It just-is and mostly outside of our control. Dow Jones charts, temperatures going up and down. Global warming, the heating of prices, inflation bubbles, storm depressions, rising interest rates to clean up the rubble. The false suggestion emerging that the economy is not a man-made machine, more like a natural phenomenon under the boot of immutable laws of physics. There are people who don't want that misguided idea to ever change.
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what if its neither of those things.

the economy to me is a chaotic system - their are man made sections of it and wild sections of it.

to bring it under control, is to bring *us* under control - any industry which has protected wages, protected conditions, safe from the ups and downs of capitalism is a highly legislated industry with limited pool of new employees , who paid top dollar for years of training, to carefully replace a limited pool of reitirees, a little pool of bourgeois communism in the shark tank of capitalism.

many industries are innovation based, booming and busting all over the place, a new gadget or discovery creates all sorts of demand and new jobs, then its bust as overuspply and over production destroy the market.

is there a real benefit to avoiding that boom bust ? Its the natual outcome of new things.

the problem with the economy has never been dodgy casino operators - the problem has always been lack of buffers.

so maybe the economy is more like the climate - rain is also boom bust, but we have water storage buffers to make it seem smooth

all of modern economics is driven by buffers being a waste of time, money sitting idle when it could doing something *for them*, all the voices whispering to spend now, apply for credit now, savings is money tied up doing nothing, spend the equity you have in your house.

if we lived like the mythical sensible person from the past - spending only basics, saving enough to provide our own insurance policies, none of this would matter.

but the game goes on, the ponzi scheme must be fed, endless growth or die.

the biggest danger to me is this new breed of scientism types who think everything can be tweeked with rules and legislation and statistics, that somehow the economy is a controllable, quantifiable thing.
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There probably is a saturation point beyond which any added regulation can only have net negative effects, so a better way is to always look for more-with-less regulation, ie better and hopefully less regulation. My point being that better designed machines and economic systems need less regulation and applied force eventually, simply because they leave more people satisfied.

A well-designed constitution for instance is usually not very complicated. Although human beings and economies are very complex and rich in detail in their totality... a well-designed system can be very simple and able to influence what is man-made and uncontrollably natural to great positive effects. It just is a tool and a method to use it.

This is not about more freakish controls on all levels but finding the right few rules to make a big, successful common game. The incentive structure is also key. It is like good management versus bad management: good management only needs minimal force and soft influence to maximize output of people and teams, whereas bad management easily devolves into using more and more controls, threats, coercion, regulations for damage and crowd control. Of course, lawyers and army generals don't mind big volumes of unnecessary mayhem. They are another category better not doing engineering work. They need trouble, not solutions.

I agree with your buffers... also in the practical design aspect of compartmentalization where each compartment is a buffer for the others. Separating commercial banking from investment/speculative banking for instance, which unfortunately ended after Glass-Steagall was killed. Electrical systems with separated power circuits each with their own fuse. Maximum speeds and size vehicles on roads. Just the commonsense specs any 1st grade engineering student knows are important. The WTC had only one main supply tube for all sprinkler systems in the building. When it got cut by the airplane, no floor had a working sprinkler system anymore. Next gen skyscrapers spread the risk by having more than one main artery of supply.

Buffers and compartments help cushion blows and spread the risks. As well as common sense regulations, for instance that if thee, as chief financial officer of any bank, doeseth not expose thy own money to the same risks thee exposeth the money of thy customers(to some proportional degree).. thy willeth not be allowed to be the captain of that ship! And... as there are speed limits on roads... there will be size limits on banks and a minimum buffer required of the banks own equity to absorb economic shocks when they happen. People like good shock absorbers in their cars too. It really is not complicated at all.

For some odd reason… Machine Economy managed to escape engineering rigor and common-sense judgement. I suspect again some messianism is at the root of this mystery. Freedom in The Lord, no rules no sins, all is void and forgiven. Love is all you need. Do what you want. The irony of Greenspan, the blindest unconditional lover of vagueresque deregulation, leading the most control-freaked organization in history, the FED! Of course, that combination and contradiction could only result in infamous disasters, as it did and still does.
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Parodite wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:45 pm There probably is a saturation point beyond which any added regulation can only have net negative effects, so a better way is to always look for more-with-less regulation, ie better and hopefully less regulation. My point being that better designed machines and economic systems need less regulation and applied force eventually, simply because they leave more people satisfied.

A well-designed constitution for instance is usually not very complicated. Although human beings and economies are very complex and rich in detail in their totality... a well-designed system can be very simple and able to influence what is man-made and uncontrollably natural to great positive effects. It just is a tool and a method to use it.

This is not about more freakish controls on all levels but finding the right few rules to make a big, successful common game. The incentive structure is also key. It is like good management versus bad management: good management only needs minimal force and soft influence to maximize output of people and teams, whereas bad management easily devolves into using more and more controls, threats, coercion, regulations for damage and crowd control. Of course, lawyers and army generals don't mind big volumes of unnecessary mayhem. They are another category better not doing engineering work. They need trouble, not solutions.

I agree with your buffers... also in the practical design aspect of compartmentalization where each compartment is a buffer for the others. Separating commercial banking from investment/speculative banking for instance, which unfortunately ended after Glass-Steagall was killed. Electrical systems with separated power circuits each with their own fuse. Maximum speeds and size vehicles on roads. Just the commonsense specs any 1st grade engineering student knows are important. The WTC had only one main supply tube for all sprinkler systems in the building. When it got cut by the airplane, no floor had a working sprinkler system anymore. Next gen skyscrapers spread the risk by having more than one main artery of supply.

Buffers and compartments help cushion blows and spread the risks. As well as common sense regulations, for instance that if thee, as chief financial officer of any bank, doeseth not expose thy own money to the same risks thee exposeth the money of thy customers(to some proportional degree).. thy willeth not be allowed to be the captain of that ship! And... as there are speed limits on roads... there will be size limits on banks and a minimum buffer required of the banks own equity to absorb economic shocks when they happen. People like good shock absorbers in their cars too. It really is not complicated at all.

For some odd reason… Machine Economy managed to escape engineering rigor and common-sense judgement. I suspect again some messianism is at the root of this mystery. Freedom in The Lord, no rules no sins, all is void and forgiven. Love is all you need. Do what you want. The irony of Greenspan, the blindest unconditional lover of vagueresque deregulation, leading the most control-freaked organization in history, the FED! Of course, that combination and contradiction could only result in infamous disasters, as it did and still does.
A well-designed constitution for instance is usually not very complicated.

The US Constitution 4 pages long
The EU constitution 5000 pages long.
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Doc wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:46 am The US Constitution 4 pages long
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Re: Is Economics a Science?

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Economics is rarely a science. More typically a trade or a philosophy.

I follow one economist who considers herself a plumber of cash flows. Seems accurate.
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Re: Is Economics a Science?

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that is a nice analogy.
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Re: Is Economics a Science?

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An interesting idea that has come forth to me in the notion that the term 'capitalism' in its modern sense was coined by a socialist and used by Karl Marx to set up what was otherwise known as free markets in the anglo world to be an ideology in opposition to Karl's own......

This moves what we would consider economics from scientific statistical modelling almost entirely into the political realm defined by class struggle and power dynamics........
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Re: Is Economics a Science?

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Adam Smith used the term ‘free trade’ to label mercantilism.

Economics seems more based in semantics than data.
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