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d'awwwww.........
".....There is no greater compliment to any culture than to be admired by Chinese, who with some justification regard their civilization as the world's most ancient and, in the long run, most successful. The high regard that the Chinese have for Jews should be a source of pride to the latter. In fact, it is very pleasant indeed for a Jew to spend time in China. The sad history of Jew-hatred has left scars on every European nation, but it is entirely absent in the world's largest country. On the contrary, to the extent that Chinese people know something of the Jews, their response to us is instinctively sympathetic......"

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"......A Chinese friend explained it to me this way: If you suffer a setback, even if through no fault of your own, and even if through the malicious acts of malevolent people, you must not feel sorry for yourself or blame others for your troubles. It is you who must take responsibility for overcoming them. You are required to redouble your efforts and work all the harder. Perseverance in the face of adversity is something Jews understand very well. Through two millennia of exile in the West, Jews maintained an autonomous high culture while succeeding at the highest level within Western culture, often despite persecution. ......."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-01-100114.html

But wait...... it gets even better. Look what else comes crawling outta the woodpile:
For all its great accomplishments, the European project of the past thousand years has failed. The greatest achievement of the West is the creation of the United States of America, which selected immigrants from all nations in a new, non-ethnic polity defined by a Constitution inspired to a great extent by ancient Israel.

When Christianity failed to overcome the residual tribalism of the West, its universalizing message was replaced by relativism. The reigning dogma in the secular West now states that every ethnicity is entitled to its own "narrative" and that all cultures are equally valid in their own terms. Relativism refuses to consider the obvious fact that some cultures succeed while others fail miserably; it insists on the absolute right of self-definition and self-termination for every tribe.

This post-Christian ideology motivates many attacks on China in the West, and justifies Western support for breakaway movements in Tibet, Xinjiang, and other Chinese provinces. The same ideology justifies attacks on the State of Israel. Liberal relativists argue that Palestinian Arabs have the right to their own self-defining narrative, which regards the State of Israel as an alien intrusion in the Middle East-despite the thousands of years of Jewish history and the unbroken Jewish presence in the country over those thousands of years. The relativists demand that Israel abandon its character as a Jewish State, or at least give up so much land as to become indefensible.
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Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:d'awwwww.........
".....There is no greater compliment to any culture than to be admired by Chinese, who with some justification regard their civilization as the world's most ancient and, in the long run, most successful. The high regard that the Chinese have for Jews should be a source of pride to the latter. In fact, it is very pleasant indeed for a Jew to spend time in China. The sad history of Jew-hatred has left scars on every European nation, but it is entirely absent in the world's largest country. On the contrary, to the extent that Chinese people know something of the Jews, their response to us is instinctively sympathetic......"
One could also argue that the history of Chinese civilization is one of missed opportunities and repeatedly snatching defeat from the jaws of the dragon of victory.

It remains to be seen if post-Mao China will succeed or will they blow it once again.
Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:
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"......A Chinese friend explained it to me this way: If you suffer a setback, even if through no fault of your own, and even if through the malicious acts of malevolent people, you must not feel sorry for yourself or blame others for your troubles. It is you who must take responsibility for overcoming them. You are required to redouble your efforts and work all the harder. Perseverance in the face of adversity is something Jews understand very well. Through two millennia of exile in the West, Jews maintained an autonomous high culture while succeeding at the highest level within Western culture, often despite persecution. ......."
Fair enough.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-01-100114.html
Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:But wait...... it gets even better. Look what else comes crawling outta the woodpile:
For all its great accomplishments, the European project of the past thousand years has failed. The greatest achievement of the West is the creation of the United States of America, which selected immigrants from all nations in a new, non-ethnic polity defined by a Constitution inspired to a great extent by ancient Israel.

When Christianity failed to overcome the residual tribalism of the West, its universalizing message was replaced by relativism. The reigning dogma in the secular West now states that every ethnicity is entitled to its own "narrative" and that all cultures are equally valid in their own terms. Relativism refuses to consider the obvious fact that some cultures succeed while others fail miserably; it insists on the absolute right of self-definition and self-termination for every tribe.

This post-Christian ideology motivates many attacks on China in the West, and justifies Western support for breakaway movements in Tibet, Xinjiang, and other Chinese provinces. The same ideology justifies attacks on the State of Israel. Liberal relativists argue that Palestinian Arabs have the right to their own self-defining narrative, which regards the State of Israel as an alien intrusion in the Middle East-despite the thousands of years of Jewish history and the unbroken Jewish presence in the country over those thousands of years. The relativists demand that Israel abandon its character as a Jewish State, or at least give up so much land as to become indefensible.
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Spenglerman is now adds kowtowing apologist infected with Sinophilia along with his Russophilia to his diagnosis.

A bit odd given that whether or not Israel exists is a matter of indifference to China.

Invoking the case of Tibet to rationalize the existence of Israel reeks of desperation.
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Says Spengler:
"The same ideology justifies attacks on the State of Israel. Liberal relativists argue that Palestinian Arabs have the right to their own self-defining narrative, which regards the State of Israel as an alien intrusion in the Middle East-despite the thousands of years of Jewish history and the unbroken Jewish presence in the country over those thousands of years. The relativists demand that Israel abandon its character as a Jewish State, or at least give up so much land as to become indefensible."
Interesting. Spengler, who is supposedly smart, enters into an interesting contradiction. Israel can have a Jewish state or it can recognize the Palestinian right to an own state. It can't have both. But Spengler thinks otherwise...
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Endovelico wrote:"......Israel can have a Jewish state or it can recognize the Palestinian right to an own state........"
The point is what kind of state you are having and the reasons why you have it. Universalism drives both purposes, the Palestinian claim is too tribal and too base. For most people this is a difference without a distinction, and from the choruses of dafuq's and l0lwut?'s the defense of an extra-national and non-ethnic state based on an identity that disappears into the mystical is gonna be an uphill argument to make....'>>......
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so, relativism to other cultures is a very bad thing except for jewish culture, which is relatively as good as yours.
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The operating principles are:

1) If it's big & successful, then it must in some way be connected to the Jewish people & religion since they are the example of most successful & often the source for that success
- Example the US being presently the most powerful country necessarily derives that greatness of emulating Jewish people
- Example China being potentially the future most powerful country necessarily derives that success of deep parallels with Jews

2) If it's big & successful, then it should be connected even better to the Jewish people & religion since relationship to a big & successful country is a leverage to more efficiently further Jewish obligation for Tikkun olam (improving the world)
- Example China having presently few links and little interest for Jews and Israel must be a target for relationship development. This is strategically obvious

I have more sympathy with the second principle than with the first, which at least in the case of Spengler often devolves in tinkered pseudo-theories of little value.
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A funny comment in ATOL about David Goldman's article Chinese love Jews


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Zack Jalamani · Top Commenter · Santa Clara, California

"Common traits bind Jews and Chinese"!!! What traits ? ! Pathetic .

Another Zionist Jew uses AsiaTimes Online to do the propaganda that World Jewish Zionism uses when they shift their interests to suck up to a new rising superpower so they can use it and make it do their fascist nasty work for them.

The U.S. is in decline, so Zionist jews figured since China will be the top dog soon, let us suck up to them, move on their bank and take over them, then buy out their politicians, mass media and whatnot so we can control them to be the new servant of Zionism.

First it was Germany, Britain and France, then Russia, then the U.S. Now, the Zionist Jews work on taking over India and China simultaneously.


That is what this article by a Zionist Jewish deceitful 'Spengler' is all about.

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:lol: :lol: can't stop laughing


Mr. David Goldman seems does not know who David Sassoon is and/or thinks Chinese idiots



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srry...... can't hear much over the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" noise......'>>......
noddy wrote:so, relativism to other cultures is a very bad thing except for jewish culture, which is relatively as good as yours.
hrmn...... not much is relative, it's pretty cut-and-dried. Some cultures are hero, most of the rest are rubbish when it comes to human survival and the continuity of the human race. Think: wolves among the sheep, Dawkins stalking a claque of creationist Christians. Maybe David wants some of the action because it's kinda fun, when coming down to it....;P........
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Mr. David Goldman seems does not know who David Sassoon is and/or thinks Chinese idiots

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Thinking of it..... we've never seen his feet. "Oh dear lord people, such a dreary venue. I wouldn't be caught dead, y'know"....'>>.....
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Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:srry...... can't hear much over the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" noise......'>>......
noddy wrote:so, relativism to other cultures is a very bad thing except for jewish culture, which is relatively as good as yours.
hrmn...... not much is relative, it's pretty cut-and-dried. Some cultures are hero, most of the rest are rubbish when it comes to human survival and the continuity of the human race. Think: wolves among the sheep, Dawkins stalking a claque of creationist Christians. Maybe David wants some of the action because it's kinda fun, when coming down to it....;P........
aah, same reading as alexis then, attaching the jews to the anglo/germanics and the han because they are the two biggest,baddest and most organised groups around.

wonder how the indians fit into this narrative, he always seems to ignore them and they aint going anywhere.

funnily enough the chinese are called the jews of asia, best businessmen and all that.
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Spengler has finally given up on the American/Chinese double entente to keep the world safe for Israel. Now, instead, us dumb Americans no longer being able to understand that our own interests coincide exactly with those of Israel, he wants to appeal directly to the PRC. Good luck convincing China that it has a strategic interest in maintaining Israel.

The angry refusal of the American public to commit troops and treasure to yet another Middle East war has thrown a lot of folks for a loop.
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I forgot to add, that the story that the US constitution was based on the example of ancient Isreal is a fantasy unworthy of even Spengler. Is Spengler the advocate of multiculturalism not able to give credit to the indigenous American Six Nations, some of whose governing arrangements were incorporated into the US Constitution?
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I remember back on the ol' Spengerboard a short exchange with Spengli where I asked him why he tries so hard to be/become friends with the Roman Catholic Church, given its anti-Semitic history and being pretty much totally at odds with Judaism in theological terms. Maybe a Freudian slip or a moment of total honesty he replied with: Yes, but there are a billion of them. (so it pays to be fiends)

I also remember him saying that The Lord of the Rings was almost too scary for him to watch. (!)

He keeps trashing Europe, well, obviously because the persecution of the Jews has nowhere been as vicious and murderous as in Europe. He lost family in the Holocaust. This is all fresh stuff.

Now he wants to make love with China, the rising power. And keep the USA as in insurance policy in his back pocket.

Probably it's my soft spot for the Jews, their fears and often paranoia, that I can't really be outraged or cynically amused by Spengli. Chunks of salt where due and thinking... well, he still is pretty much terrified, full of existential angst.

No matter where he believes a possible safe haven arises.. he wants so much it is really there.. ready to run towards its safe embrace. The USA, Catholics, China.. or the theomaniacal-metaphysics of Franz Rosenzweig in "The Star of Redemption" with a happy ending for all, Jews and Christians heroically leading the way.

In the end.. the bottom line. To feel embraced, loved and safe. Spengli-kid is as any other kid.

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Spenglerman may want to reconsider . . .

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Typhoon wrote:Spenglerman may want to reconsider . . .

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LOL.. that's hilarious.
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durr..... it's a thing, people.....'>........
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Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:durr..... it's a thing, people.....'>........
I know, but it's still funny.
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Typhoon wrote:Spenglerman may want to reconsider . . .

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Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, and Maintaining the Forum, Typhoon

I wonder if they have Chinese Juice..... ;)

A Jewish couple went to China and decided to see if there was a local synagogue/Jewish Community as there is in India...

At a Chinese Restaurant in China ;), they asked their waiter about Chinese Jews.....

After consulting with his boss, the waiter returned and replied:

We have Orange Juice, Apple Juice, Mango Juice and Grape Juice but no Chinese Juice ;) :lol:
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We come back with some more.....'>.....:
BEIJING - Everything in tragedy happens for a reason, and the result always is sad; most things in comedy happen by accident and the outcome typically is happy. Sino-American relations are not destined for conflict, although that is possible. The misunderstandings that bedevil relations between the world's two most powerful countries remain comedic rather than tragic. That probably is as good as it gets, for no amount of explanation will enable Chinese and Americans to make sense of each other.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-02-101114.html
The Chinese view has changed radically during the past few months, in part due to the collapse of the Syrian and Iraqi states and the rise of Islamic State. It is hard to find a Chinese specialist who still thinks that the US can stand surely for Persian Gulf security. Opinion is divided between those who think that America is merely incompetent and those who think that America deliberately wants to destabilize the Persian Gulf.
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