North Korea

[Ibrahim]

Communists for the Third World [to group those who find the proletariat struggle to represent the third world alone] are very supportive of North Korea.

I'm surprised Ibrahim has not come across any of these people.

Never heard of them until right now. I've met plenty of people who espouse Marxist theories, even today, but never anybody who had a kind word for North Korea. Even if you wanted to apply Marxist revolutionary theory to Africa (again) I don't see how that makes North Korea some kind of model. Mao maybe, but North Korea?

I knew some Marxist-Leninst that believed the Albania under Enver Hoxha was the best society.

Maybe his speeches were more charismatic in the original Albanian...

[Typhoon]

Communists for the Third World [to group those who find the proletariat struggle to represent the third world alone] are very supportive of North Korea.

I'm surprised Ibrahim has not come across any of these people.

Never heard of them until right now. I've met plenty of people who espouse Marxist theories, even today, but never anybody who had a kind word for North Korea. Even if you wanted to apply Marxist revolutionary theory to Africa (again) I don't see how that makes North Korea some kind of model. Mao maybe, but North Korea?

The Marxist-Leninist and Maoists hated each other with the same passion as the Protestants and Catholics or parochial leftists and rightists in the USA today.

[Ibrahim]

Communists for the Third World [to group those who find the proletariat struggle to represent the third world alone] are very supportive of North Korea.

I'm surprised Ibrahim has not come across any of these people.

Never heard of them until right now. I've met plenty of people who espouse Marxist theories, even today, but never anybody who had a kind word for North Korea. Even if you wanted to apply Marxist revolutionary theory to Africa (again) I don't see how that makes North Korea some kind of model. Mao maybe, but North Korea?

The Marxist-Leninist and Maoists hated each other with the same passion as the Protestants and Catholics or parochial leftists and rightists in the USA today.

That's fine for the campus coffee house, but if your focus is on "third world" countries then the Maoist model of getting your act together has the nice post-Deng Xiaoping payoff at the end. Stalinist Russia and North Korea have no payoff.

[monster_gardener]

Communists for the Third World [to group those who find the proletariat struggle to represent the third world alone] are very supportive of North Korea.

I'm surprised Ibrahim has not come across any of these people.

Never heard of them until right now. I've met plenty of people who espouse Marxist theories, even today, but never anybody who had a kind word for North Korea. Even if you wanted to apply Marxist revolutionary theory to Africa (again) I don't see how that makes North Korea some kind of model. Mao maybe, but North Korea?

The Marxist-Leninist and Maoists hated each other with the same passion as the Protestants and Catholics or parochial leftists and rightists in the USA today.

That's fine for the campus coffee house, but if your focus is on "third world" countries then the Maoist model of getting your act together has the nice post-Deng Xiaoping payoff at the end. Stalinist Russia and North Korea have no payoff.

Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

Stalinist Russia and North Korea have no payoff.

Seconded.

the Maoist model of getting your act together has the nice post-Deng Xiaoping payoff at the end.

Not necessarily UNLESS Deng Xiaoping or someone(s) like him rises to power....

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Communists for the Third World [to group those who find the proletariat struggle to represent the third world alone] are very supportive of North Korea.

I'm surprised Ibrahim has not come across any of these people.

Never heard of them until right now. I've met plenty of people who espouse Marxist theories, even today, but never anybody who had a kind word for North Korea. Even if you wanted to apply Marxist revolutionary theory to Africa (again) I don't see how that makes North Korea some kind of model. Mao maybe, but North Korea?

The Marxist-Leninist and Maoists hated each other with the same passion as the Protestants and Catholics or parochial leftists and rightists in the USA today.

That's fine for the campus coffee house, but if your focus is on "third world" countries then the Maoist model of getting your act together has the nice post-Deng Xiaoping payoff at the end. Stalinist Russia and North Korea have no payoff.

Mao was a traitor to the cause.

[monster_gardener]

Thank You Very Much for the Thread, Nonc.


http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... hange-bank

The Bank of China has closed the account of a North Korean lender accused by the United States of helping finance Pyongyang's controversial nuclear weapons programme.

The Foreign Trade Bank, North Korea's main foreign exchange bank, was notified of the closure and ending of fund transfers related to it, a Bank of China spokeswoman said yesterday.

No reason was given for the closure, which comes amid growing frustration in China over North Korea's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile projects.

The action by the state-controlled bank may signal that Beijing is using economic measures to deter provocations by Pyongyang. As the regime's closest ally and biggest trading partner, China's involvement is crucial to the success of any measures against North Korea's nuclear weapons programme.

Maybe China is yanking on the leash of its junk yard dog?

[Azrael]

Death by firing squad for Kim Jong Un's ex

>> The ex-girlfriend of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was among a number of musicians who were executed by firing squad on August 20, according to South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo.

The paper reports that Hyon Song Wol, a singer and rumored former lover of Jong Un, was arrested on August 17 along with 11 other prominent artists for violating the communist nation's laws against pornography. Three days later, they were killed in front of their immediate families and other members of North Korea's famous pop groups. These onlookers were then sent to prison camps due to the regime's assumption of guilt by association, the Chosun Ilbo story claims.

"They were executed with machine guns while the key members of the Unhasu Orchestra, Wangjaesan Light Band and Moranbong Band as well as the families of the victims looked on," said a Chinese source.

The 12 murdered musicians were accused of videotaping themselves having sex and selling the videos. A source told Chosun Ilbo that some allegedly had Bibles in their possession and were treated as political dissidents. <<

Sounds like a setup to me.

>> Kim Jong Un became leader of North Korea following the death of his father, Kim Jong Il, in December 2011. <<

He allegedly became the leader. I'm not so sure he's really in charge.

>> The Chosun Ilbo stated that Kim Jong Un met Hyon Song Wol ten years ago, but was ordered to end the relationship by his father. <<

Well, there's one way to make sure that the relationship's over for sure, permanently.

>> While Song Wol went on to marry a solider, rumors persisted that they were having an affair. <<

It sounds like whoever is really in charge didn't approve.

>> Song Wol was a singer in the Pochonbo Electronic Ensemble, one of North Korea's most popular bands, famous for its propaganda songs.
Jong Un is now believed to be married to Ri Sol Ju, a woman often seen at his side at public events. <<

I feel sorry for both women.

This makes me think that Kim Jong Un is just a figurehead, and his ex girlfriend was killed to keep him away from her and to encourage him to stay out of trouble in general. There has been some speculation that the guy who is really preeminent in North Korea is Jang Sung-taek, currently Vice-Chairman of the National Defence Commission. He is married to Kim Kyong-hui, sister of Kim Jong-il. In 2008, South Korean government officials and academic North Korea watchers suggested that he may have taken on de facto leadership over North Korea due to Kim Jong-il's ailing health, and later death.

[Typhoon]

Almost certainly the real reason for the executions, if they occurred, is not what was reported.

So it does smell like a set-up.

Could be something as simple as a settling of personal scores by a woman with access to far too much power.

Perhaps I've seen too many K-dramas . . .

[Azrael]

Almost certainly the real reason for the executions, if they occurred, is not what was reported.

So it does smell like a set-up.

Could be something as simple as a settling of personal scores by a woman with access to far too much power.

So do you think it's the boy's aunt or his wife? If it's a woman, my money is on the aunt. It takes time to build up power.

Perhaps I've seen too many K-dramas . . .

Or perhaps not. Sometimes life and art bear an unseemly similarity.

[monster_gardener]

Death by firing squad for Kim Jong Un's ex

>> The ex-girlfriend of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was among a number of musicians who were executed by firing squad on August 20, according to South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo.

The paper reports that Hyon Song Wol, a singer and rumored former lover of Jong Un, was arrested on August 17 along with 11 other prominent artists for violating the communist nation's laws against pornography. Three days later, they were killed in front of their immediate families and other members of North Korea's famous pop groups. These onlookers were then sent to prison camps due to the regime's assumption of guilt by association, the Chosun Ilbo story claims.

"They were executed with machine guns while the key members of the Unhasu Orchestra, Wangjaesan Light Band and Moranbong Band as well as the families of the victims looked on," said a Chinese source.

The 12 murdered musicians were accused of videotaping themselves having sex and selling the videos. A source told Chosun Ilbo that some allegedly had Bibles in their possession and were treated as political dissidents. <<

Sounds like a setup to me.

>> Kim Jong Un became leader of North Korea following the death of his father, Kim Jong Il, in December 2011. <<

He allegedly became the leader. I'm not so sure he's really in charge.

>> The Chosun Ilbo stated that Kim Jong Un met Hyon Song Wol ten years ago, but was ordered to end the relationship by his father. <<

Well, there's one way to make sure that the relationship's over for sure, permanently.

>> While Song Wol went on to marry a solider, rumors persisted that they were having an affair. <<

It sounds like whoever is really in charge didn't approve.

>> Song Wol was a singer in the Pochonbo Electronic Ensemble, one of North Korea's most popular bands, famous for its propaganda songs.
Jong Un is now believed to be married to Ri Sol Ju, a woman often seen at his side at public events. <<

I feel sorry for both women.

This makes me think that Kim Jong Un is just a figurehead, and his ex girlfriend was killed to keep him away from her and to encourage him to stay out of trouble in general. There has been some speculation that the guy who is really preeminent in North Korea is Jang Sung-taek, currently Vice-Chairman of the National Defence Commission. He is married to Kim Kyong-hui, sister of Kim Jong-il. In 2008, South Korean government officials and academic North Korea watchers suggested that he may have taken on de facto leadership over North Korea due to Kim Jong-il's ailing health, and later death.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Azrael.

>> Song Wol was a singer in the Pochonbo Electronic Ensemble, one of North Korea's most popular bands, famous for its propaganda songs.
Jong Un is now believed to be married to Ri Sol Ju, a woman often seen at his side at public events. <<

I feel sorry for both women.

Maybe........

FWIW, what I have heard tallies with Typhoon's comment above.......

If true, that the wife wanted the ex-girl friend gone permanently.........

IIRC there was a similar incident in Persian History............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masistes#The_tale

[Azrael]

Do you think that his wife has that sort of power?

I think that Kim Jong Un has a lot more to fear from people who have been playing the game a lot longer.

I could be wrong.

[Typhoon]

The Tele | Inside the dangerous world of Kim Jong-un's crooners

Aside from the harem of concubines servicing the inner circle, still mostly speculation.

[monster_gardener]

The Tele | Inside the dangerous world of Kim Jong-un's crooners

Aside from the harem of concubines servicing the inner circle, still mostly speculation.

Thank You VERY Much for your post, Typhoon.

Being related to the Kims can you turned into kimchi.......

For worms....

Just happened to Uncle Jang

The powerful uncle of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has been executed as a "traitor for all ages," the official news agency reported.

Jang Song Thaek faced a special military tribunal Thursday and was convicted of "anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts" in a bid to overthrow the communist country's leadership, KCNA reported Friday in Pyongyang. The state news agency did not say when or how Jang was killed.

North Korean media reported Monday that Jang had been purged for crimes that included faction-building, corruption, drug use and womanizing. He was considered the country's most powerful figure after his nephew, Kim Jong Un

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... d/4003013/

Jang Sung-taek (alternatively Jang Song-thaek or Chang Sung-taek; 2 February 1946 – 12 December 2013) was a leading figure in the government of North Korea. He was married to Kim Kyong-hui, aunt of Kim Jong-un, the supreme leader of North Korea.[2][3]

Although the precise extent of Jang Sung-taek's power and importance cannot be confirmed, in 2008 South Korean government officials and academic North Korea watchers suggested that he may have taken on de facto leadership over North Korea due to Kim Jong-il's ailing health, and later death.[4] Jang was Vice-Chairman of the National Defence Commission, a position considered second only to that of the Supreme Leader.[5] It is believed he was promoted to four-star general around the time of Kim Jong-il's death as his first appearance in uniform was while visiting Kim lying in state.[6] Jang was termed as Kim Jong-un's "key policy adviser".[7]

He was abruptly accused of being a counter-revolutionary, stripped of all his posts and expelled from the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) in December 2013. Damnatio memoriae was applied, with his photos retroactively removed from official media and his image digitally removed from photos with other Korean leaders.[8] On 13 December, North Korea state media announced he had been executed.[9]

Contents

1 Personal life
2 Career
2.1 Early career
2.2 Rehabilitation
2.3 Under Kim Jong-un
3 Dismissal, arrest, and execution
4 References
5 External links

Personal life

Jang was born in Kangwon-do. He graduated from the Kim Il-sung Senior High School before leaving for Moscow, where he studied between 1968 and 1972. Upon his return, he married Kim Kyong-hui, the younger sister of Kim Jong-il.[2] The couple had a daughter, Jang Kum-song (1977–2006), who lived overseas in Paris as an international student; she refused an order to return to Pyongyang and then committed suicide in September 2006, reportedly due to Jang and his wife Kim's opposition to her relationship with her boyfriend.[10]

Career
Early career

Jang was formerly an instructor to the Pyongyang Party Committee, and later the vice director of the Workers' Party of Korea's Organisation and Guidance Department since 1982, being first assigned to youth policies and then to capital city construction. In 1989, he was co-opted in the WPK Central Committee as an alternate member, and promoted to full member in 1992, when he was also appointed first deputy director of the Organization and Guidance Department, with responsibility over security activities.

Jang had been identified by outside analysts as well as North Korean defector Hwang Jang-yop as a possible successor to Kim Jong-il; however, on 25 November 2004, South Korea's National Assembly heard testimony that he had been purged from his position.[11]
Rehabilitation

Jang re-emerged in March 2006, accompanying Kim Jong-il on an official visit to China.[2] In October 2007, the Korean Central News Agency confirmed that Jang had been promoted to the newly recreated post of first vice-director of the Workers' Party of Korea, with oversight responsibility for the police, judiciary, and other areas of internal security; Jang attended South Korean president Roh Moo-hyun's luncheon during the latter's visit to the North.[3] It was later revealed that Jang had been actually appointed director of the Administration Department, an old agency of the Workers' Party abolished in 1990 and re-created by splitting the Organization Department.

Jang was elected to the powerful National Defence Commission in April 2009, and one of its vice-chairmen in June 2010. The NDC is North Korea's de facto supreme decision making body. Thus, Jang's promotion amounts to something of an executive deputy role, second only to Kim Jong-Il. It is speculated that the move was part of posturing to make Kim Jong-Il's son Kim Jong-un the next leader of North Korea.[12] Jang's position in North Korean politics was also ostensibly boosted by the death of Ri Je-gang, a senior leader who was tipped by Kim Jong-il as a crucial overseer of the succession campaign.[5]

Later, at the WPK Conference held in September 2010, he was appointed alternate member of the Politburo and confirmed Administration Department director at the first meeting of the Party Central Committee after 17 years.
Under Kim Jong-un

On 25 December 2011, North Korean television Sunday showed Jang in the uniform of a general. A Seoul official familiar with North Korea affairs said it was the first time Jang has been shown on state television in a military uniform. His appearance suggested that Jang had secured a key role in the North's powerful military, which had pledged its allegiance to Kim Jong-un.[13] Jang's importance continued to be demonstrated during his 2012 visit to China: various aspects of the visit echoed protocol which had only ever been followed in the past for Kim Jong-il, including half of his entourage arriving ahead of time as an "advance party", and even Chinese ambassador to North Korea Liu Hongcai returning to China beforehand to greet Jang upon his arrival.[14]

On 17 August 2012, Jang met with China's Premier Wen Jiabao in Ziguangge, Zhongnanhai. Also, Jang met with China's president Hu Jintao, Wang Jiarui, head of China's International Department of the CPC Central Committee and Minister in charge of the National Development and Reform Commission, Zhang Ping, Minister of Finance Xie Xuren, Minister of Commerce Chen Deming, Liaoning provincial party chief Wang Min, Jilin provincial party chief Sun Zhengcai, and Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun.[15] He was the head of a delegation of the joint steering committee for developing and managing the Rason Economic and Trade Zone and the Hwanggumphyong and Wihwa Islands Economic Zone.[16] In the announcement, he was listed as chief of the central administrative department of the Workers' Party of Korea, a member of the WPK Political Bureau, and vice-chairman of the National Defense Commission.[16] Jang said Kim Jong-un believed that bilateral relations with China are important and that the "profound friendship will be passed on from generation to generation".[16] At the meeting with Wen, Jang said "The DPRK is willing to closely cooperate with China to accelerate relevant efforts and push forward cooperation in developing economic zones."[16]

On 4 November 2012, the WPK Central Committee Politburo adopted a decision on establishing the State Physical Culture and Sports Guidance Commission, with Jang Song-thaek as its chairman.[17]

In January 2013, speculation arose that Jang had been quietly promoted to top decision-making Politburo Presidium member, as his official hierarchy position was elevated, displacing then-Chief of General Staff Hyon Yong-chol and his own wife Kim Kyong-hui.[18] Scholars argued that Jang may be appointed president of the Supreme People's Assembly Presidium (nominal head of state) or premier, replacing then office-holders who were in their 80s.[19] Jang Sung-taek promoted the construction of a new bridge over the Yalu River between the Chinese city of Dandong and the Korean city of Sinuiju. The bridge is nearly completed.[20]

Dismissal, arrest, and execution

Jang Sung-taek was publicly expelled from the WPK on 8 December 2013. Prior to his dismissal his appearances had been obscured or edited out from an October news report that was re-aired on 7 December on North Korean television.[21] South Korean intelligence first reported on 3 December that Jang had been removed from his post.[22] He had not been seen in public since two associates of his — Lee Yong-ha and Jang Soo-kee — were believed to have been executed in November.[23] Lee was reportedly accused of abusing his authority, while Jang Soo-kee was found guilty of trying to organize a new faction and rejecting the system.[24][25]

When North Korea announced on December 8 that Jang Sung-taek had been expelled it was attributed to a decision of the Politburo. He was accused of having committed "anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts", harboring "politically-motivated ambition", weakening "the party's guidance over judicial, prosecution and people's security bodies", and obstructing "the nation's economic affairs", including illicit affairs with women.[26]

Jang's arrest at the Politburo meeting was broadcast on state television, in what has been described as "the most public dismissal of a member of the Kim family and their associates in history."[27][28] This is also the first time since the 1970s that a senior political figure has been publicly arrested in a party meeting live on television.[21]

Chinese media suggested that Jang Sung-taek's fall reflected a government agenda relatively more focused on economic development losing out to continuing a military-first policy.[29]

On 12 December 2013, state media announced he had been executed, claiming that "despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog*, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery in betrayal of such profound trust and warmest paternal love shown by the party and the leader for him.” The 2700 word statement detailing the accusations also included other charges such as placing a granite monument carved with the supreme leader's words "in a shaded corner," "let[ting] the decadent capitalist lifestyle find its way to our society by distributing all sorts of pornographic pictures among his confidants," and "half-heartedly clapping, touching off towering resentment of our service personnel and people" when one of Kim Jong-Un's promotions was announced.[9][30][31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Song_Thaek

*I suspect that most dogs are better than most of the leaders of North Korea....

[Doc]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

How Dennis Rodman can help the North Korean people
By Shin Dong-hyuk,

Shin Dong-hyuk is a human rights activist and the only person born in a North Korean labor camp known to have escaped to the West.

Dear Mr. Rodman:

I have never met you, and until you visited North Korea in February I had never heard of you. Now I know very well that you are a famous, retired American basketball player with many tattoos. I also understand that you are returning this week to North Korea to coach basketball and perhaps visit for the third time with the country’s dictator, Kim Jong Un, who has become your friend.


I want to tell you about myself. I was born in 1982 in Camp 14, a political prison in the mountains of North Korea. For more than 50 years, Kim Jong Un, his father and his grandfather have used prisons such as Camp 14 to punish, starve and work to death people who the regime decides are a threat. Prisoners are sent to places like Camp 14 without trial and in secret. A prisoner’s “crime” can be his relation by blood to someone the regime believes is a wrongdoer or wrong-thinker. My crime was to be born as the son of a man whose brother fled to South Korea in the 1950s.

You can see satellite pictures of Camp 14 and four other labor camps on your smartphone. At this very moment, people are starving in these camps. Others are being beaten, and someone soon will be publicly executed as a lesson to other prisoners to work hard and obey the rules. I grew up watching these executions, including the hanging of my mother.

On orders of the guards in Camp 14, inmates are forced to marry and create children to be raised by guards to be disposable slaves. Until I escaped in 2005, I was one of those slaves. My body is covered with scars from torture I endured in the camp.

Mr. Rodman, if you want to know more about me, I will send you a book about my life, “Escape From Camp 14.” Along with the stories of many other camp survivors, my story helped persuade the United Nations to create a commission of inquiry that is now investigating human rights atrocities in my country. I was “witness number one.” In the coming year, the commission’s findings may force the U.N. Security Council to decide whether to approve a trial in the International Criminal Court of the Kim family and other North Korean officials for crimes against humanity.

I happen to be about the same age as your friend Kim Jong Un. But if you ask him about me, he is likely to refer to me as “human scum.” That is how his state-controlled press refers to me and all other North Koreans who have risked death by fleeing the country. Your friend probably also will deny that Camp 14 exists, which is the official position of his government. If he does, you can show him pictures of it on your phone.

Mr. Rodman, I cannot presume to tell you to cancel your trip to North Korea. It is your right as an American to travel wherever you wish and to say whatever you want. It is your right to drink fancy wines and enjoy yourself in luxurious parties, as you reportedly did in your previous trips to Pyongyang. But as you have a fun time with the dictator, please try to think about what he and his family have done and continue to do. Just last week, Kim Jong Un ordered the execution of his uncle. Recent satellite pictures show that some of the North’s labor camps, including Camp 14, may be expanding. The U.N. World Food Programme says four out of five North Koreans are hungry. Severe malnutrition has stunted and cognitively impaired hundreds of thousands of children. Young North Korean women fleeing the country in search of food are often sold into human-trafficking rings in China and beyond.

I am writing to you, Mr. Rodman, because, more than anything else, I want Kim Jong Un to hear the cries of his people. Maybe you could use your friendship and your time together to help him understand that he has the power to close the camps and rebuild the country’s economy so everyone can afford to eat.

No dictatorship lasts forever. Freedom will come to North Korea someday. When it does, my wish is that you will have, in some way, helped bring about change. I end this letter in the hope that you can use your friendship with the dictator to be a friend to the North Korean people.

[Doc]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... aides.html

Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides

By Danielle Demetriou, Tokyo

12:56PM GMT 23 Dec 2013

North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un was "very drunk" when he ordered the execution of two aides close to his purged uncle, according to Japanese newspaper reports.

The young leader ordered the execution of two aides after they reportedly failed to respond immediately to a request to hand over a profitable business to the military.

The two aides were close to Jang Song-thaek, Kim's uncle, who only weeks later was dramatically stripped of his powerful posts and executed in an effort by the leader to consolidate his grip on power.

The failure of Ri Ryong-ha, the first deputy director of the administrative department of the state's ruling Workers' Party, and Jang Su-gil, a deputy director in the same department, to respond quickly to his order reportedly left Kim "upset".

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[Heracleum Persicum]

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Doc, don't waste your time .. you want real truthful news (as good as it can in west) in British papers, only and only read "Guardian"

Telegraph and Times and and are part of a club of British papers working with "establishment" following Goebbels doctrine, the bigger rubbish the more believable

Read either Guardian or Press TV or NYT or Haaretz

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[Doc]

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Doc, don't waste your time .. you want real truthful news (as good as it can in west) in British papers, only and only read "Guardian"

Telegraph and Times and and are part of a club of British papers working with "establishment" following Goebbels doctrine, the bigger rubbish the more believable

Read either Guardian or Press TV or NYT or Haaretz

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Even better get all of your news from public rest room walls

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Doc, don't waste your time .. you want real truthful news (as good as it can in west) in British papers, only and only read "Guardian"

Telegraph and Times and and are part of a club of British papers working with "establishment" following Goebbels doctrine, the bigger rubbish the more believable

Read either Guardian or Press TV or NYT or Haaretz

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Even better get all of your news from public rest room walls

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US, British media are servants of security apparatus


Doc, difference between American Joe and Iranian Joe is, you guys believe what's dished, Iranians know better

Said B4, Western Media an instrument of establishment, to fool western Joe into what the elite wants Joe world view 2B

A good sample is this fora .. a lot of things now coming out of closet as facts, when reported by Azari, here & FT & ATOL, were dismissed as conspiracy and rubbish

Real media only there where they sometimes "banned" (when they cross the red line) .. if nobody never banned, it does not mean no red line, but it means nobody crossing that red line.

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Greenwald condemned the mainstream media during an address at a German computer conference on Friday and accused his colleagues of failing to challenge erroneous remarks routinely made by government officials around the globe.

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. . Greenwald argued that the media establishment at large is guilty of failing significantly with respect to accomplishing its most crucial role: keeping governments in check.

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“We resolved that we were going to have to be very disruptive of the status quo — not only the surveillance and political status quo, but also the journalistic status quo,” Greenwald said. “And I think one of the ways that you can see what it is that we were targeting is in the behavior of the media over the past six months since these revelations have emerged almost entirely without them and despite them.”

“[W]e knew in particular that one of our most formidable adversaries was not simply going to be the intelligence agencies on which we were reporting and who we were trying to expose, but also their most loyal, devoted servants, which calls itself the United States and British media.”

“It really is the case that the United States and British governments are not only willing but able to engage in any conduct no matter how grotesque,” Greenwald said. Nevertheless, he added, journalists tasked with reporting on those issues have all too often been compliant with the blatant lies made by officials from those governments.

Halfway through his remarks, Greenwald recalled a recent quip he made while being interviewed by BBC about the necessity of a functioning media in an environment where government officials can spew untruths to reporters without being questioned.

“[A]t one point I made what I thought was the very unremarkable and uncontroversial observation that the reason why we have a free press is because national security officials routinely lie to the population in order to shield their power and get their agenda advanced,” recalled Greenwald, who said it is both the “the goal and duty of a journalist is to be adversarial to those people in power.”

According to Greenwald, the BBC reporter met his remark with skepticism.

“I just cannot believe that you would suggest that senior officials, generals in the US and the British government, are actually making false claims to the public,” he remembered being told on-air.

“It really is the central view of certainly American and British media stars, that when — especially people with medals on their chest who are called generals, but also high officials in the government — make claims that those claims are presumptively treated as true without evidence. And that it’s almost immoral to call them into question or to question their voracity,” he said.

“Obviously we went through the Iraq War, in which those very two same governments specifically and deliberately lied repeatedly to the government, to their people, over the course of two years to justify an aggressive war that destroyed a country of 26 million people. But we’ve seen it continuously over the last six months as well.”

From there, he went on to cite the example of US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who earlier this year made remarks to Congress that were quickly proved false by documents leaked to Greenwald by Mr. Snowden. The very first National Security Agency document he was shown, Greenwald said, “revealed that the Obama administration had succeeded in convincing court, a secret court, to compel phone companies to turn over to the NSA every single phone record of every single telephone call.”

Clapper “went to the Senate and lied to their faces...which is at least as serious of a crime as anything Edward Snowden is accused of," Greenwald added.

But DNI Clapper aside, Greenwald said that the established media continues to reject the notion that government officials spew lies. Snowden’s NSA documents have exposed those fibs on more than one occasion, he noted, yet reporters around the world continue to take the word of officials as fact rather than dig from the truth.

“Their role is not to be adversarial. Their role is to be loyal spokespeople to those powerful factions that they pretend to exercise oversight,” Greenwald said.

But as the US, UK and other governments continue to feed the media lies, Greenwald said their operations are far from being single-pronged. The US “knows that its only hope for continuing to maintain its regiment of secrecy behind which it engages with radical and corrupt acts is to intimidate and deter and threaten people who are would-be whistleblowers and transparency activists from coming forward and doing what it is that they do by showing them that they’ll be subjected to even the most extreme punishments and there’s nothing that they can do about it,” he said. “And it’s an effective tactic.”

Ironically, he added, those nations are “fueling the fire of this activism with their own abusive behavior.”

Meanwhile, NSA reform may not happen as quickly as Greenwald, Snowden and others have hoped; despite a series of considerable victories for privacy advocates as of late, a federal judge in New York said moments before Friday’s address that the surveillance policies exposed by those leaks are not in violation of the US Constitution. The American Civil Liberties Union sued DNI Clapper in June after Greenwald and others wrote that the government was compelling telecoms for telephony metadata pertaining to millions of Americans. But District Judge William Pauley wrote on Friday that “Whether the Fourth Amendment protects bulk telephony metadata is ultimately a question of reasonableness.”

And while Judge Pauley and proponents of that program and similar surveillance operations continue to call the NSA’s efforts imperative in America’s war on terror, Greenwald said at Friday’s conference that their intention is much more sinister than stopping another 9/11 from occurring.

The NSA’s goal, Greenwald said, is to “ensure that all forms of human communication . . .are collected, monitored, stored and analyzed by that agency and by their allies.”

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[monster_gardener]

Thank You Very Much for maintaining the Forum, Admins Typhoon & Ymix.

I previously wrote that the current reigning Kim devil had made his Uncle Jang become Kim-chi for worms....

Seems like Uncle Jang might not have been that lucky.....

North Korea have already described Jang Song-thaek as "despicable human scum, worse than a dog," but these reports, appearing in Hong Kong's Wen Wei Po newspaper, suggest he may have met his end in the jaws of dogs.

The account describes how Jang Song-thaek and five of his aides were stripped naked and fed to 120 hungry hounds, who had been starved for three days. The whole process lasted an hour, and as they were eaten hundreds of officials watched.

The Singaporean Straits Times claims that the brutal account listed alongside a number of other criticisms in the report shows how Beijing is displeased with the changing regime, but currently there is no consistent editorial line in Chinese state media. The method of execution by dogs has also not been confirmed by North Korea.

Previously it had been reported that a number of Jang Song-thaek's aides were executed with anti-aircraft machine guns.

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Jang Song-thaek was a key member of North Korea's first family, a man widely seen as regent to leader Kim Jong-un, In all, at least eight people from Jang's circle were executed in the purge - alongside the director himself.

NOTE: Here is a link to the story..........

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 348373.cms

[Azrael]

Is Kim Jong-un a puppet?

[monster_gardener]

Is Kim Jong-un a puppet?

Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Azrael.

Would not surprise me too much if Kim Jong-un and all of the Kim Devils who have ruled North Korea are North Korean "Norky" Devil Dog versions of this puppet.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chucky_%28 ... 7s_Play%29

[Doc]

UN believable


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/n ... -1.1735438

North Korean men must get Kim Jong Un’s haircut
The supreme leader’s high and tight fade is now the only option for men at the barbershop — and they’re not happy about it.
BY Stephen Rex Brown
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 1:20 PM


In this image taken from video made available on Wednesday, Jan. 1, 2014, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un delivers an annual New Year's Day message in Pyongyang, North Korea. Kim boasted Wednesday that North Korea enters the new year on a surge of strength because of the elimination of "factionalist filth" - a reference to the young leader's once powerful uncle, whose execution last month raised questions about Kim's grip on power. (AP Photo/KRT via AP Video) AP Photo/KRT Supreme leader chic: North Korean men must now reportedly sport Kim Jong Un's hairstyle.

It’s the ‘Un’ and only hairstyle.

North Korean tyrant Kim Jong Un has decreed that all men in the oppressed nation must get his haircut.

The state-issued “fashion guideline” was released about two weeks ago, the Korea Times reported.

The style is dubbed “The Dear Leader Kim Jong Un,” according to the paper.

A North Korean source said men everywhere — from Pyongyang to the impoverished countryside — have griped in vain about the order requiring Kim’s signature high and tight fade.
FEB. 16, 2012 FILE PHOTO, JAPAN OUT, CREDIT MANDATORY AP Kim Jong Un's high and tight fade is the only haircut now available at North Korean barbers.

“Our leader’s haircut is very particular, if you will. It doesn’t always go with everyone since everyone has different face and head shapes,” the source said, according to the Korea Times.

The paper quotes a second source as saying that prior to Kim becoming supreme leader, his hairstyle was derided as “the Chinese smuggler.”

Last year it was reported that North Koreans women were allowed to choose from 18 approved haircuts, while men had 10 options.

The government said the styles guarded against “the corrupting effects of capitalism.”

[Nonc Hilaire]

I wonder if Dennis Rodman is going to get that haircut too.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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The emergence of large private businesses in North Korea

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[Nonc Hilaire]

If NK was serious about making money there would be a Kim Jong Un reality series.