The Donald....the newest savior.....

[manolo]

Hillary Cosby Clinton is running against Donald Trump. Trump is the clear family values pick between the 2.

Mr P,

Hillary is not running in the Republican primaries. The candidate choice for 'family value' Evangelical Republicans was between those running in the Republican primaries.

Alex.

[Mr. Perfect]

I know you don't follow US politics, so you wouldn't know that the GOP primary is over. The GOP primary is over, Trump won pretty handily.

Now the contest is between Trump and Clinton. Trump is the obvious family values candidate.

[Mr. Perfect]

As someone who is a passive observer of American elections, and to boot, one who never watches campaign speeches or debates or, for that matter, TV of any kind, I should probably refrain from posting to this subject. However, I cannot help but be interested.

That describes most people here. Thanks for being honest about it, at least.

Before I get distracted by my own post I was intrigued by a comment by SM that he thought that libertarians would not be voting for Trump, and I wondered why.

Libertarians are tremendously stupid, politically.

Don't worry, I'm not all that reliable in predicting the future, but like Alex, another person who won't be voting, I have a gut feeling that Trump might very well win this election.

Man I hope you're right.

[Simple Minded]

Good post Apollonius.

As I have said previously, Trump's and Sanders' popularity is a continuation of the OWS, Tea Party, Obama, and Palin trend for change from the two ruling parties. How to be different after one attains power and is subject to the same incentives will be the real test.

Interesting to see that rather than either mounting third party challenges, both seem to be taking advantage of the self destruction in each party.

Very interesting to see how many articles are cropping up to attempt to explain to the spinmeisters and the binoids what exactly is happening. I recommend several recent articles by Victor Davis Hansen and Peggy Noonan.

Yet, so far, both camps of binoids seem stuck in their old worn out narratives of bigotry, racism, corruption, and personal insults.

"If you don't goose step in my parade, you suck!" seems to be wearing out.

boo hoo hoo for both parties.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Hillary Cosby Clinton is running against Donald Trump. Trump is the clear family values pick between the 2.

Suddenly, we are supposed to be shocked by vulgarians? That barn door blew open sometime in the 50 to 98 period. Hasn't there been sufficient harassment of social conservatives, telling them that their behavior and beliefs were much too provincial and they should get with the current year?..I wonder what's change?

Give people change they can believe, and then they piss and moan that you're not consistent. You just can't win with some people.

yeah, those that think everyone else can be contemptibly divided between schmucks and marks.

[Simple Minded]

Hillary Cosby Clinton is running against Donald Trump. Trump is the clear family values pick between the 2.

Suddenly, we are supposed to be shocked by vulgarians? That barn door blew open sometime in the 50 to 98 period. Hasn't there been sufficient harassment of social conservatives, telling them that their behavior and beliefs were much too provincial and they should get with the current year?..I wonder what's change?

Give people change they can believe, and then they piss and moan that you're not consistent. You just can't win with some people.

yeah, those that think everyone else can be contemptibly divided between schmucks and marks.

As the say in the new city of York, "F**k em if they can't take a joke!"

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Hillary Cosby Clinton is running against Donald Trump. Trump is the clear family values pick between the 2.

Suddenly, we are supposed to be shocked by vulgarians? That barn door blew open sometime in the 50 to 98 period. Hasn't there been sufficient harassment of social conservatives, telling them that their behavior and beliefs were much too provincial and they should get with the current year?..I wonder what's change?

Give people change they can believe, and then they piss and moan that you're not consistent. You just can't win with some people.

yeah, those that think everyone else can be contemptibly divided between schmucks and marks.

As the say in the new city of York, "F**k em if they can't take a joke!"

The new city of York...sounds like someone is a "Turn: Washington's Spies" fan.

Get your powdered wig ready!



me personally, I'm just lookin' for an excuse to popularize the bicorne hat.

[manolo]

I know you don't follow US politics, so you wouldn't know that the GOP primary is over. The GOP primary is over, Trump won pretty handily.

Mr P,

I agree with you that Trump is the likely GOP candidate. So, to return to the question of Trump, Evangelicals and 'family values'. Why were the Evangelicals silent on 'family values' when the choice was between Trump and more acceptable social conservative candidates? Was it, as Reince Priebus said, that they "Just don't care" about Trump's disdain for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnNqvDIW_ts/

Alex.

[Nonc Hilaire]

I know you don't follow US politics, so you wouldn't know that the GOP primary is over. The GOP primary is over, Trump won pretty handily.

Mr P,

I agree with you that Trump is the likely GOP candidate. So, to return to the question of Trump, Evangelicals and 'family values'. Why were the Evangelicals silent on 'family values' when the choice was between Trump and more acceptable social conservative candidates? Was it, as Reince Priebus said, that they "Just don't care" about Trump's disdain for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnNqvDIW_ts/

Alex.

The so-called religious right was a theme used to organize PACs. The only candidate using PACs this year is Clinton, so they are sitting on their hands.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Robert Reich
Why Trump Might Win



Why Hillary Clinton Is So Disliked


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[Heracleum Persicum]

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Country crooner Charlie Daniels relayed the warning from the National Rifle Association of America (NRA) to “the Ayatollahs of Iran and every terrorist you enable” who, he says, have yet to meet the frightening farmers, cowboys, truck-drivers and “swamp folks in Cajun country who can wrestle a full-grown gator out of the water” of ‘real America.’

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Really funny.


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[Mr. Perfect]

Mr P,

I agree with you that Trump is the likely GOP candidate. So, to return to the question of Trump, Evangelicals and 'family values'. Why were the Evangelicals silent on 'family values' when the choice was between Trump and more acceptable social conservative candidates? Was it, as Reince Priebus said, that they "Just don't care" about Trump's disdain for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnNqvDIW_ts/

Alex.

Oh. I'm sorry I didn't realize what you were getting at.

The evangelical love affair with Trump is probably the single largest news item of the last 6-8 months in GOP politics, covered more than any other topic, broken down to the bolts countless times by now. If you haven't been following politics in the last 6-8 months I don't think I would be able to catch you up. I would try googling some interviews with evangelicals and read from the source what they love about Trump. It would be easy to do. All your questions will be answered.

[Zack Morris]

Evangelicals have long been well known to possess weakly-held spiritual beliefs and use their "faith" as a signaling mechanism for group identity rather than to inform earnest efforts to build a better society. They are jingoistic materialists first and foremost, hence quite comfortable with all aspects of Trump's persona.

[Mod note: Mr. P. can speak for himself, as can everyone else.]

[Mr. Perfect]

I guess that is something liberals have in common with the holy rollers.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Washington Post

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[Doc]

I guess that is something liberals have in common with the holy rollers.

I disagree. Liberals out holy roller every one else by a large margin.

[Typhoon]

I guess that is something liberals have in common with the holy rollers.

I disagree. Liberals out holy roller every one else by a large margin.

I don't think so.

No lack of looneys on either side of the US culture wars.

[Typhoon]

By George, he's got it.

Grauniad | Trump hits delegate count needed for Republican nomination

I think a Trump vs Sanders debate would be a brilliant move by both to the detriment of Harridan Hillary.

[Typhoon]

Nat Post | Trump brings Reagan’s economic team out of retirement in effort to ignite a boom like the Eighties

To everything there is a season,
Spend, spend, spend*.

*With apologies to The Byrds.

[manolo]

Evangelicals have long been well known to possess weakly-held spiritual beliefs and use their "faith" as a signaling mechanism for group identity rather than to inform earnest efforts to build a better society.

Zack,

A reading of Bela Zsolt's 'Nine Suitcases' will confirm your view. I would give a page number, but that would require covering old ground.

Alex.

[Simple Minded]

Evangelicals have long been well known to possess weakly-held spiritual beliefs and use their "faith" as a signaling mechanism for group identity rather than to inform earnest efforts to build a better society. They are jingoistic materialists first and foremost, hence quite comfortable with all aspects of Trump's persona.

[Mod note: Mr. P. can speak for himself, as can everyone else.]

Amen. It sounds like you are describing my left-preaching, right-practicing friends. Sometimes it is tough to tell one group of proselytizing hypocrites apart from their ideological opponents.

If ya want to sit at the same lunch table as the cool kids, ya gotta parrot whatever they are sayin.

Common Ground! Maybe O was right when he said "There is no red America or blue America, but only the United States of America."

[Simple Minded]

By George, he's got it.

Grauniad | Trump hits delegate count needed for Republican nomination

I think a Trump vs Sanders debate would be a brilliant move by both to the detriment of Harridan Hillary.

I'll sign that petition.

[manolo]

Amen. It sounds like you are describing my left-preaching, right-practicing friends.

SM,

I don't know how you put up with that bunch of petite bourgeoisie.

Alex.

[Zack Morris]

Simple Minded: how can leftists be both America haters and jingoistic? Maybe they aren't so similar to Evangelicals after all...

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Zack Morris is a fencer- all thrust, no parry.