We have a thing for hirsute men.Typhoon wrote:What is it with recent POTUS and their predelicition for princely Saudi posteriors?Mr. Perfect wrote:Just like Obama.Zack Morris wrote:Oh, sure, Parodite. That's exactly what Trumps going to do: slap the Saudis with a stick after feeding them $110 billion worth of no-strings-attached carrots. Mmm hmm.
Has Trump started betraying his mission already?
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Relatively high dollar holdings by strong dictatorship. The king is not restrained by an elected government or banks, so it only necessary to pucker up to a single posterior.Typhoon wrote:What is it with recent POTUS and their predelicition for princely Saudi posteriors?Mr. Perfect wrote:Just like Obama.Zack Morris wrote:Oh, sure, Parodite. That's exactly what Trumps going to do: slap the Saudis with a stick after feeding them $110 billion worth of no-strings-attached carrots. Mmm hmm.
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The essential in a few words.Typhoon wrote:A continuation of the status quo given that 15/19 of the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi nationals.
A continuation of the sham so-called War on Terror.
Also, supporting one side in the Sunni vs Shiite conflict is dumb.
Sad, but true.
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The speech was OK as some last effort to talk sense into the brain-dead criminal Saudis but not backed-up with sensible action. All POTUS just follow the money like obedient sheep serving Mammons interest no matter how the money is made and how many people have to die for it. Obama wasn't any better than Trump in this context.Zack Morris wrote:Oh, sure, Parodite. That's exactly what Trumps going to do: slap the Saudis with a stick after feeding them $110 billion worth of no-strings-attached carrots. Mmm hmm.
I think the reality is that this was an uninteresting speech. Trump has no vision for the middle east other than kissing Saudi @ss. This trip is a total disaster. Sad!
Deep down I'm very superficial
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I think you are all missing the point of the speech
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Go back and read what was saidHunt terrorists & we'll help you. Fund terrorists & we'll hunt you.
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HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION of the MISSISSIPPI in the FIELD
Atlanta, Georgia,
James M. Calhoun, Mayor,
E.E. Rawson and S.C. Wells, representing City Council of Atlanta.
Gentleman: I have your letter of the 11th, in the nature of a petition to revoke my orders removing all the inhabitants from Atlanta. I have read it carefully, and give full credit to your statements of distress that will be occasioned, and yet shall not revoke my orders, because they were not designed to meet the humanities of the cause, but to prepare for the future struggles in which millions of good people outside of Atlanta have a deep interest. We must have peace, not only at Atlanta, but in all America. To secure this, we must stop the war that now desolates our once happy and favored country. To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey. To defeat those armies, we must prepare the way to reach them in their recesses, provided with the arms and instruments which enable us to accomplish our purpose. Now, I know the vindictive nature of our enemy, that we may have many years of military operations from this quarter; and, therefore, deem it wise and prudent to prepare in time. The use of Atlanta for warlike purposes in inconsistent with its character as a home for families. There will be no manufacturers, commerce, or agriculture here, for the maintenance of families, and sooner or later want will compel the inhabitants to go. Why not go now, when all the arrangements are completed for the transfer, instead of waiting till the plunging shot of contending armies will renew the scenes of the past month? Of course, I do not apprehend any such things at this moment, but you do not suppose this army will be here until the war is over. I cannot discuss this subject with you fairly, because I cannot impart to you what we propose to do, but I assert that our military plans make it necessary for the inhabitants to go away, and I can only renew my offer of services to make their exodus in any direction as easy and comfortable as possible.
You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the national Government, and, instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, I and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion, such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can point out, so that we may know those who desire a government, and those who insist on war and its desolation.
You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.
We don't want your Negroes, or your horses, or your lands, or any thing you have, but we do want and will have a just obedience to the laws of the United States. That we will have, and if it involved the destruction of your improvements, we cannot help it.
You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, bu the original compact of government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began the war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or title of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. In Memphis, Vicksburg, and Mississippi, we fed thousands and thousands of the families of rebel soldiers left on our hands, and whom we could not see starve. Now that war comes to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success.
But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.
Now you must go, and take with you the old and feeble, feed and nurse them, and build for them, in more quiet places, proper habitations to shield them against the weather until the mad passions of men cool down, and allow the Union and peace once more to settle over your old homes in Atlanta. Yours in haste,
W.T. Sherman, Major-General commanding
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Saudi Arabia is funding terrorists already, as well as aggressively exporting Islamo-fascism into our societies. They are rewarded with a 110B for that.Doc wrote:I think you are all missing the point of the speech
Hunt terrorists & we'll help you. Fund terrorists & we'll hunt you.
Deep down I'm very superficial
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REALLY?Parodite wrote:The speech was OK as some last effort to talk sense into the brain-dead criminal Saudis but not backed-up with sensible action. All POTUS just follow the money like obedient sheep serving Mammons interest no matter how the money is made and how many people have to die for it. Obama wasn't any better than Trump in this context.Zack Morris wrote:Oh, sure, Parodite. That's exactly what Trumps going to do: slap the Saudis with a stick after feeding them $110 billion worth of no-strings-attached carrots. Mmm hmm.
I think the reality is that this was an uninteresting speech. Trump has no vision for the middle east other than kissing Saudi @ss. This trip is a total disaster. Sad!
"ISIL is the JV TEAM"
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
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So why do you suppose that Israel supports the sale?Parodite wrote:Saudi Arabia is funding terrorists already, as well as aggressively exporting Islamo-fascism into our societies. They are rewarded with a 110B for that.Doc wrote:I think you are all missing the point of the speech
Hunt terrorists & we'll help you. Fund terrorists & we'll hunt you.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
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It seems like the only thing left to do is the border wall, repeal of obamacare and the economic policies. It seems like we're almost there. What if we get it all in one year. Amazing.
Censorship isn't necessary
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Dont understand..JV team?Doc wrote:REALLY?Parodite wrote:The speech was OK as some last effort to talk sense into the brain-dead criminal Saudis but not backed-up with sensible action. All POTUS just follow the money like obedient sheep serving Mammons interest no matter how the money is made and how many people have to die for it. Obama wasn't any better than Trump in this context.
"ISIL is the JV TEAM"
Deep down I'm very superficial
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Not sure they do or think it is ideal. But probably they welcome it as something that can be a push back against the Iran-Russia-Assad-Hezbollah axis. On the other hand Israel has many enemies, also among the Sunni Arabs i.e. Palestinians. It could also be a political gesture to a Trump who showed himself to be very pro-Israel.Doc wrote:So why do you suppose that Israel supports the sale?
Rest assured though that Israelis do not care that much about Islamic terrorism outside of their country, other than the problems that the West faces with Islamic radicalism is a "I told you so" thing for them; look where their country is located.
Deep down I'm very superficial
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"ISIS is contained They are the JV Team" - Barrack Obama 2012Parodite wrote:Dont understand..JV team?Doc wrote:REALLY?Parodite wrote:The speech was OK as some last effort to talk sense into the brain-dead criminal Saudis but not backed-up with sensible action. All POTUS just follow the money like obedient sheep serving Mammons interest no matter how the money is made and how many people have to die for it. Obama wasn't any better than Trump in this context.
"ISIL is the JV TEAM"
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
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Trump spoke in SA The audience was mostly very soberParodite wrote:Not sure they do or think it is ideal. But probably they welcome it as something that can be a push back against the Iran-Russia-Assad-Hezbollah axis. On the other hand Israel has many enemies, also among the Sunni Arabs i.e. Palestinians. It could also be a political gesture to a Trump who showed himself to be very pro-Israel.Doc wrote:So why do you suppose that Israel supports the sale?
Rest assured though that Israelis do not care that much about Islamic terrorism outside of their country, other than the problems that the West faces with Islamic radicalism is a "I told you so" thing for them; look where their country is located.
That says something
Trump goes to Israel is greeted with open arms
That also says something
Israel SA alliance to defeat or just counter Iran?
Maybe
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JV = Junior varsity. A seperate school sports team composed of underclassmen too young to play in the real team.
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Quite.Parodite wrote:Saudi Arabia is funding terrorists already, as well as aggressively exporting Islamo-fascism into our societies. They are rewarded with a 110B for that.Doc wrote:I think you are all missing the point of the speech
Hunt terrorists & we'll help you. Fund terrorists & we'll hunt you.
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I don't know. What is SA using to pay for these outdated arms? T-bills? Gold? Oil? ARAMCO equity?Typhoon wrote:Quite.Parodite wrote:Saudi Arabia is funding terrorists already, as well as aggressively exporting Islamo-fascism into our societies. They are rewarded with a 110B for that.Doc wrote:I think you are all missing the point of the speech
Hunt terrorists & we'll help you. Fund terrorists & we'll hunt you.
Trump may have simply sold them one heck of a used car. The content of the $110b and where it ends up is more interesting than the arms.
“Christ has no body now but yours. Yours are the eyes through which he looks with compassion on this world. Yours are the feet with which he walks among His people to do good. Yours are the hands through which he blesses His creation.”
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Mr. Perfect wrote:It seems like the only thing left to do is the border wall, repeal of obamacare and the economic policies. It seems like we're almost there. What if we get it all in one year. Amazing.
Most of the Trump admin's proposals are currently dead in the water.
The US House appropriations budget was as Republicrat as it gets.
The US Court of Appeal declined to reinstate the proposed travel ban.
Next up, the Trump admin US budget proposals.
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"Follow the money"Nonc Hilaire wrote:I don't know. What is SA using to pay for these outdated arms? T-bills? Gold? Oil? ARAMCO equity?Typhoon wrote:Quite.Parodite wrote:Saudi Arabia is funding terrorists already, as well as aggressively exporting Islamo-fascism into our societies. They are rewarded with a 110B for that.Doc wrote:I think you are all missing the point of the speech
Hunt terrorists & we'll help you. Fund terrorists & we'll hunt you.
Trump may have simply sold them one heck of a used car. The content of the $110b and where it ends up is more interesting than the arms.
is advice for the ages.
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.