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House Republicans Circulate Plan to Oust Boehner from Speakership

Several conservative House Republican members are contemplating a plan to unseat Speaker John Boehner from his position on January 3, Breitbart News has exclusively learned. Staffers have compiled a detailed action plan that, if executed, could make this a reality.

The Republicans, both conservatives and more establishment members alike, are emboldened after the failure of Boehner’s fiscal cliff “Plan B” on Thursday evening. Dissatisfaction with Boehner is growing in the House Republican conference, but until now there hasn’t been a clear path forward.

Those members and staffers requested anonymity from Breitbart News at this time to prevent retaliation from Boehner similar to what happened to those four members who were purged from their powerful committee assignments a few weeks ago. Their expressed concern is that if Boehner knew who they were, his adverse reaction toward them would be much more brutal than losing committee assignments, such as a primary challenge in 2014 by a leadership-sponsored candidate.

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GOP Consultants Seek to Regain Control

By Abby Livingston
Roll Call Staff
Dec. 19, 2012, 7:35 p.m.

The internal battle for the direction of the Republican Party has enveloped Washington’s GOP consultant class, as pragmatic party strategists hired to win campaigns ponder how to reclaim control of the primary process from powerful conservative activist groups.

This developing conflict comes in the aftermath of consecutive election cycles that saw Republicans blow as many as five Senate races because the party nominated flawed candidates over those who were better suited to compete in the general election.

Some of these losing 2010 and 2012 nominees received crucial support from Washington-based tea party groups that made their primary campaigns viable. GOP consultants who found themselves on the losing end are considering the formation of outside groups of their own to counter these organizations and boost their favored candidates in the 2014 primaries.

“The bigger the office, the brighter the spotlight, and it is difficult, if not impossible, to elect a lousy candidate over a good candidate in any [general election] Senate race, regardless of ideology,” said a Republican strategist who is frustrated with the hold that conservative groups like the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and the Senate Conservatives Fund have had on the GOP primary process in recent elections.

Unlike these tea-party-affiliated groups, this Republican strategist and others who think similarly (prioritizing winning over ideological purity) argue that a Republican will always be more conservative than a Democrat and the party’s objective should be to control the White House and Congress so it can set the governing agenda and prevent Democrats from enacting laws like the Affordable Care Act.

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In the GOP Conference, Anger All Around

Even his allies admit that Boehner’s stunning failure to find the votes for his “plan B” tax legislation was a major blow to his credibility, provoking befuddlement and even outrage from fellow Republicans.

But there is also considerable anger in the GOP conference directed at the conservative lawmakers that forced Boehner’s shocking defeat.

That fractured reaction — coupled with the lack of a plausible challenger — mean Boehner is unlikely to face any significant challenge to his position as speaker in the near term.

“These are people that, they don’t have a leader amongst them, and they don’t want to be led,” said a GOP member and Boehner loyalist. “He had probably 200 people lined up for him, for his position. And those 200 are pretty dad gum loyal to the speaker and pretty angry at that group.”
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In the GOP Conference, Anger All Around

Even his allies admit that Boehner’s stunning failure to find the votes for his “plan B” tax legislation was a major blow to his credibility, provoking befuddlement and even outrage from fellow Republicans.

But there is also considerable anger in the GOP conference directed at the conservative lawmakers that forced Boehner’s shocking defeat.

That fractured reaction — coupled with the lack of a plausible challenger — mean Boehner is unlikely to face any significant challenge to his position as speaker in the near term.

“These are people that, they don’t have a leader amongst them, and they don’t want to be led,” said a GOP member and Boehner loyalist. “He had probably 200 people lined up for him, for his position. And those 200 are pretty dad gum loyal to the speaker and pretty angry at that group.”
Thank You Very Much for your post, Ymix.

IMO the conservatives may be right: no point trying to negotiate with either Choom Hog the Lying Son of a Bitch Eater Obama or Harry Coyote ;) oops I mean Harry Reid.

Not that with Coyote Reid it would have mattered: Reid said Plan B was not going to be voted on by the DemocRat controlled Senate: 'RepublicRats are wasting their time with Plan B"

Anyway, Choom Hog is talking about tax increases that will raise a ridiculously small amount of money for "fairness" and spending cuts later which IMHO will NOT happen.

I would be a lot more interested in finding ways to get the Empresario WereRat Officer Class to share more of the prize money as wage increases with those of Uz Down in the Black Gang like happened when they were more afraid of uz and Unions especially the Soviet Union ;) :twisted: and the idea that we might side with them instead of being loyal RATings :twisted: rather than giving more money to the BureaucRats

But neither gang ;) :twisted: oops I mean Political Party seems interested in doing that.......

Things like not promoting globalization with crap like NAFTA etc., putting Executives who transfer military tech to foreign countries in Prison (L'Oreal), re-instating Glas-Stegall etc.. And especially Not catering to the Killer Klowns from Financial Space on Wall Street and in WashingToon :twisted:

And I suspect that the DemonRats really want to go over the cliff, let tax rates rise and then cut some of them so Choom can brag about being a tax cutter.....
IIRC Howard Dean was bragging about this scheme.........

IMVHO Boehner is a Boner ;) as Speaker of the House of Representatives

Paul Ryan might be much better...... :shock: :o :idea: :lol:

Not enthused about Ryan being an Ayn Rand Worshiper but if one is trying to balance "evils"* perhaps better to have a hard case true believer like him to go up Against an Arrogant Lying Son of a Bitch Eater like Obama rather than a softie like Boner ;) oops I mean Boehner .....

*Like the Catholic Church vs. the Communist Party in Soviet Era Poland.......
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Tea Party or Conservative...only one who has said anything that makes sense in this is Senator R. Paul. They should vote enmass "present" on every and all bills that the President demands. They should take the official position that it will allow Americans to see the effects of his policies, for good or ill, without the pretense of blame for some mythic opposition party. On everything...taxes, spending, gun rights, energy, judges, etc. If Obama is right, we (as in Americans) win. If he's wrong, the D's will own it (assuming the media doesn't invent a new meme to blame the R's).
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No to Voting Present on Gun Rights or Judges.

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cincinnatus wrote:Tea Party or Conservative...only one who has said anything that makes sense in this is Senator R. Paul. They should vote enmass "present" on every and all bills that the President demands. They should take the official position that it will allow Americans to see the effects of his policies, for good or ill, without the pretense of blame for some mythic opposition party. On everything...taxes, spending, gun rights, energy, judges, etc. If Obama is right, we (as in Americans) win. If he's wrong, the D's will own it (assuming the media doesn't invent a new meme to blame the R's).
Thank You VERY Much for your reply, Cincinnatus.

I like Rand Paul.........

But.......

Maybe on the tax issue.......

Maybe on energy.....

Just as long as the Repubs mention that they are voting present it in imitation of Choom Hog himself...... ;) :twisted:


NOT on Gun Rights.........

Unlikely to get them back IMVHO.............

NOT on SCOTUS or other Judges.........

Who are appointed for life............

Bad enough that Mis-Representatives ;) and Sen-Nutters :twisted: can be re-elected forever.......

Robert Bork died last week.........

I am glad that Bork was able to see that Drunken Coward or Killer Dead Ted Kennedy, the man who gave Uz "borking", into the grave........

And that Ted never got to be President........

In memory of Bork and Dead Ted,
The Temptation is go and do likewise.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork#Bork_as_verb
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Well, something has to happen, and soon. Right now, conservatives have no representation. They have played the game where they vote for the bastard closest to their beliefs, in an environment where " closest" is a joke, for so long that they've voted themselves out of relevance.
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Boehner Coup Attempt Larger Than First Thought

A concerted effort to unseat Speaker John A. Boehner was under way the day of his re-election to the position, but participants called it off 30 minutes before the House floor vote, CQ Roll Call has learned.

A group of disaffected conservatives had agreed to vote against the Ohio lawmaker if they could get at least 25 members to join the effort. But one member, whose identity could not be verified, rescinded his or her participation the morning of the vote, leaving the group one person short of its self-imposed 25-member threshold. Only 17 votes against Boehner were required to force a second ballot, but the group wanted to have insurance.

Even with 24 members, the group would easily have been able to force a second ballot round, but the effort was aborted in frenetic discussions on the House floor.

“There was an effort to get to a particular number,” said one Republican member who voted for Boehner but was familiar with the effort to oust him.

Republican Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan, Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina and Raúl R. Labrador of Idaho played key roles in organizing the plot. But participants describe its origin as organic and not led by any particular member, despite the suggestion by at least one House Republican that Amash was the ringleader.
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Boehner Coup Attempt Larger Than First Thought

A concerted effort to unseat Speaker John A. Boehner was under way the day of his re-election to the position, but participants called it off 30 minutes before the House floor vote, CQ Roll Call has learned.

A group of disaffected conservatives had agreed to vote against the Ohio lawmaker if they could get at least 25 members to join the effort. But one member, whose identity could not be verified, rescinded his or her participation the morning of the vote, leaving the group one person short of its self-imposed 25-member threshold. Only 17 votes against Boehner were required to force a second ballot, but the group wanted to have insurance.

Even with 24 members, the group would easily have been able to force a second ballot round, but the effort was aborted in frenetic discussions on the House floor.

“There was an effort to get to a particular number,” said one Republican member who voted for Boehner but was familiar with the effort to oust him.

Republican Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan, Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina and Raúl R. Labrador of Idaho played key roles in organizing the plot. But participants describe its origin as organic and not led by any particular member, despite the suggestion by at least one House Republican that Amash was the ringleader.
Thank You VERY Much for the Link, YMix.

Not surprised.

So far Boehner has Been a Big Boner :twisted: in deals with Barry the Lying Son of a Bitch Eater......

Better not Be any more Back Room Back Door Dealing with Barry the Baneful.........
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Demon of Undoing wrote:Well, something has to happen, and soon. Right now, conservatives have no representation. They have played the game where they vote for the bastard closest to their beliefs, in an environment where " closest" is a joke, for so long that they've voted themselves out of relevance.
This scenario is YOUR fault. It is because people like you are unwilling to actually run for those seats that you get the scenario you get. I run across people all the time who would be good for local offices where their local offices are comically corrupt, and they never want to do it because they don't want to deal with the headache. I think that's the state of our state, those who would be the good civic leaders don't want anything to do with actually leading our communities.
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Conservatives gone wild
Mindless slaps at the speaker

By JOHN PODHORETZ
Last Updated: 1:09 AM, January 4, 2013
Posted: 10:28 PM, January 3, 2013

The most passionately anti-Obama Republican politicians and activists consider themselves the truest and purest of conservatives, and often unleash their scorn and fury on others who also call themselves conservative but differ on strategy and tactics.

But in the realm of philosophy, “conservatism” from Thomas Hobbes onward is a worldview dedicated to order and tradition and the proposition that disorder is dangerous and deadly.

Thus, it is the opposite of “conservative” to embrace chaos instead of order. It is the opposite of “conservative” to embrace crisis rather than accept unpleasant realities.

And yet, over the past week, that is exactly what many conservatives have done. They have violated fundamental conservative precepts.

In so doing, they have turned on other conservatives — people who agree with them on substance — and accused them of impurity and corruption for refusing to march their party and their movement over a political cliff.

It wasn’t House Speaker John Boehner who was responsible for a bill raising taxes on individuals and small businesses who earned $400,000 a year or more. That was the doing of President Obama and the Democrats, who had the stronger hand to play.

Boehner agrees with his fellow conservatives that the Obama approach is the wrong one. So does Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. But unless they found some kind of common ground to stand on with Democrats, taxes were automatically going to go up on everyone.

They were in a thankless position, and they did their thankless job — and for it they got, you guessed it, no thanks. “Am I in some kind of nightmare, or what?” Boehner said on the House floor as the tax bill was being voted on. Those are not the words of a happy man.

And yet you’d think, from the conduct and rhetoric of many conservatives in the House and outside the House and Senate, that Boehner and McConnell had “caved” willingly.

No, they caved because they had no choice.

What they did was what leaders do — or rather, what leaders of those who are in a losing position do. The best they could.

The problem is that conservatives seem to think there were other choices, other ways, other possibilities — when all those choices, ways and possibilities had been exhausted.

And so many of them are literally embracing chaos. Though they oppose raising taxes, by voting against the tax bill on Tuesday night they effectively voted to raise taxes on 98 percent of Americans.

(To be fair, it’s not just righties who are acting out: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, for one, went way over the edge this week, freaking out at a potential two-week delay in passage of the Sandy relief bills.)

Then came talk that Boehner should be fired as speaker of the House when the time came to vote in the new speaker yesterday afternoon. Yet none of the insurgents was brave enough to stand against him; instead, a bunch of them cast nonsense votes for someone else or refused to vote at all.

In so doing, they came close to handing Boehner a humiliating and entirely destructive defeat — forcing a second ballot and leaving their own party leader critically injured. They seemed to crave disorder.

This is how people who are more comfortable on the margins than in the middle of things behave. This is cannibalism, not political combat. This is unreason, not reason. This is temper, not temperament.

This is anarchism, not conservatism.
The bloom is off the Tea plant. The Tea Party was given free reign and a lot of media attention when the GOP needed to parade it in front of the country as a grassroots conservative revolt against Obama and his policies, but now that the fight is over, the Tea Party goes back in the... teabag. The elected champions of the movement that was supposed to storm Washington and change the country are being told to shut up and follow the party line. The Podhoretz column is an example of how the party machines will deal with naive lawmakers who thought their ideals mattered. The Occupiers should sit up and take notice because this is exactly how the Democratic Party will deal with them, should they ever be stupid enough to let themselves used in the same manner.

So, Mr. Perfect, how do you feel now that the GOP is knifing the Tea Party? Then again, you are a student of realpolitik so you'll take whatever crumbs the GOP throws you and say "thank you very much".
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The Tea Party Purge of 2012
Republican leaders are punishing some of the party’s most conservative members. And they won’t go down without a yelp.

By David Weigel|Posted Tuesday, Dec. 4, 2012, at 7:29 PM ET

History repeats. On Tuesday, the re-elected Huelskamp walked into a luncheon at the Heritage Foundation and told conservative activists how he’d just been booted from the Budget and Agriculture Committees. It was a “purge,” and his crime was being exactly as conservative as he’d promised.

“We’ve heard from multiple sources that someone walked in with a list of votes and said, ‘if you didn’t [fulfill] a particular scorecard on the ‘right’ votes—which by the way, in most cases, were not the conservative positions—we’re gonna remove you from committee.” The activists quietly chewed Chick-fil-A sandwiches as Huelskamp scorched his party leaders. “It confirms, in my mind, Americans’ deepest suspicions about Washington. It’s petty, it’s vindictive, and if you have any conservative principles, you will be punished for it.”

If losing the 2012 election was tough for movement conservatives, the month since the loss has been even tougher. They’re losing every internal power struggle that matters. On Nov. 14, conservative Rep. Tom Price lost a secret ballot election for a leadership post. The next day, the conservative Republican Study Committee gave its chairmanship to Rep. Steve Scalise, who’d been opposed by the group’s former leaders—like Tom Price.

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Rep. Huelskamp gets new committee assignment after being removed by House leadership from 2 others

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Congressman Tim Huelskamp has a new committee assignment in the U.S. House after the chamber's Republican leadership took him off two others in December.

The Kansas Republican was among four House members who were removed from prominent committees for not voting with the GOP leadership on key issues. Huelskamp was taken off the budget and agriculture committees.

He'll continue to serve on the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, and has a new assignment on the Small Business Committee. Huelskamp said the new assignment will give rural Kansas a voice on a variety of issues.

Huelskamp, who represents the 1st Congressional District, was one of 12 Republicans who voted last week against the re-election of John Boehner as speaker.
From the powerful Budget and Agriculture to the dustbin of Veterans' Affairs and Small Business.
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YMix wrote:
Rep. Huelskamp gets new committee assignment after being removed by House leadership from 2 others

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Congressman Tim Huelskamp has a new committee assignment in the U.S. House after the chamber's Republican leadership took him off two others in December.

The Kansas Republican was among four House members who were removed from prominent committees for not voting with the GOP leadership on key issues. Huelskamp was taken off the budget and agriculture committees.

He'll continue to serve on the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, and has a new assignment on the Small Business Committee. Huelskamp said the new assignment will give rural Kansas a voice on a variety of issues.

Huelskamp, who represents the 1st Congressional District, was one of 12 Republicans who voted last week against the re-election of John Boehner as speaker.
From the powerful Budget and Agriculture to the dustbin of Veterans' Affairs and Small Business.

Thank you VERY Much for your post, Friend YMix.

Per the article you Posted Previously, Perhaps/Probably the dissident Republicans should have go with 24 and send Boehner the Boner to the Boneyard.

Hope Boehner grows a Backbone but a crying man is not IMVHO the man to go against a Political Thug/Bankster Tool from Chicago........

IMVHO the Tea Partiers are some of the few willing to cut any thing besides Defense in a real way.......

With Mainstream RepublicRats like Woodrow Wilson :twisted: Bush & Boehner you get at best cosmetic cuts and often new "Compassionate Conservative" programs which are seldom or never enough to bring over moderate to mildly left leaning electorate.......

With DemonRats like that Lying Son of a Bitch Eater Obama and that "Nobel Prize Winner for Economics :roll: " Krugman, cutting any thing except Defense or for a political trick never really gets consideration.......

And AIUI all this Obama administered & Krugman blessed spending is making the dollar cheaper which AIUI is not good for foreign countries which hold dollars.........

Eventually all this which is effectively is printing money is probably going to bite Uz but AIUI in the mean time it is biting you all.........

If I am misunderstanding your position or anything else here, my apologies in advance.......

FWIW, I voted for Gary Johnson and hope to be voting for Rand Paul next time or the time after that.........

Don't want to lose Rand from the Senate unless it is to something better.
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YMix wrote: The bloom is off the Tea plant. The Tea Party was given free reign and a lot of media attention when the GOP needed to parade it in front of the country as a grassroots conservative revolt against Obama and his policies, but now that the fight is over, the Tea Party goes back in the... teabag. The elected champions of the movement that was supposed to storm Washington and change the country are being told to shut up and follow the party line. The Podhoretz column is an example of how the party machines will deal with naive lawmakers who thought their ideals mattered. The Occupiers should sit up and take notice because this is exactly how the Democratic Party will deal with them, should they ever be stupid enough to let themselves used in the same manner.
As one of the people who tried to get Occupy to organize for electoral politics within the Democratic Party, I have to tell you that it is impossible for the Democratic party to treat them as the GOP has treated the Tea Party. The DNC never embraced Occupy, not even slightly. They coopted the Occupy language but did their darnedest to keep Occupy on the outside. For the most part the Occupiers wanted to stay on the outside anyway.

This idea of Occupy as a Democrat Party movement has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Occupy started with the initial premise that the system is irreperably broken and cannot be fixed from the inside. I am coming around to believing that to be true. The recent spate of gun control fervor has me convinced of that. They are putting millions of activist hours into banning a type of gun that kills fewer people each year than hammers.
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Enki wrote:
Demon of Undoing wrote:Well, something has to happen, and soon. Right now, conservatives have no representation. They have played the game where they vote for the bastard closest to their beliefs, in an environment where " closest" is a joke, for so long that they've voted themselves out of relevance.
This scenario is YOUR fault. It is because people like you are unwilling to actually run for those seats that you get the scenario you get. I run across people all the time who would be good for local offices where their local offices are comically corrupt, and they never want to do it because they don't want to deal with the headache. I think that's the state of our state, those who would be the good civic leaders don't want anything to do with actually leading our communities.
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Tinker.
This scenario is YOUR fault. It is because people like you are unwilling to actually run for those seats that you get the scenario you get. I run across people all the time who would be good for local offices where their local offices are comically corrupt, and they never want to do it because they don't want to deal with the headache. I think that's the state of our state, those who would be the good civic leaders don't want anything to do with actually leading our communities.
IMO Not so much........

Remembering a Recent Republican Ex-Witch in the news.... ;)

Even if the Other Vehicle Is no longer A Broom ;)


Best to stay off the electoral list........

Even if you are no longer on the Dork Side of the Farce ;) ........


Better to do what you do well than flame out and give the DemonRats a needless victory............


For example, Despite my support for Israel, I doubt that my views expressed here ;) would get even the Jewish Vote....... ;)

At best, I suspect that I would be called a Space Cowboy ;) :lol: 8-)


Even though my name is not Maurice......... ;)

Though I may be a Black Gangster ;) of Love......

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The best among us want nothing to do with the process while the worst can't wait to climb in.
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Enki wrote:This idea of Occupy as a Democrat Party movement has no basis in reality whatsoever.
Take it easy, dude. I didn't say that OWS is a party movement, only that it could end up like the Tea Party. I can easily see the DNC approaching the "reasonable" leaders of the OWS in order to get them to run on the Democratic ticket.
Enki wrote:The best among us want nothing to do with the process while the worst can't wait to climb in.
Wasn't there some Greek guy from more than 2,000 years ago who said that the people who should be in charge must be forced to do so because they would never run for office?
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monster_gardener wrote:Per the article you Posted Previously, Perhaps/Probably the dissident Republicans should have go with 24 and send Boehner the Boner to the Boneyard.
They don't seem to have the power to do that.
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YMix wrote:Take it easy, dude. I didn't say that OWS is a party movement, only that it could end up like the Tea Party. I can easily see the DNC approaching the "reasonable" leaders of the OWS in order to get them to run on the Democratic ticket.
One of the main New York organizers was on the payroll of the Congressional Progressive Congress. He was a shifty little bastard and was organizing anti-Romney campaigns. I was at the planning meeting to protest a $ 2000 a plate luncheon at the Plaza hotel hosted by the Romney campaign. We were at an apartment across the street from where Obama was raising $ 35,000 a plate and had the Roots playing. It was owned by a Democratic party local big. We had to go through the security perimeter of Obama's fundraiser to get to the Romney protest.

This sort of thing has already happened. But there are plenty of people who have really nothing to do with that scene and want nothing to do with that scene.
Wasn't there some Greek guy from more than 2,000 years ago who said that the people who should be in charge must be forced to do so because they would never run for office?
Probably. I went to public school.
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Jesus is the answer.
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The Republican Party Needs To Reinvent Itself Completely
Bruce Bartlett, The Fiscal Times

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In recent years, Republicans have had particular difficulty managing their coalition. Since the rise of the Tea Party in 2009 and the election of Barack Obama, our first black president, purists and ideologues have held more than the usual sway.

Through the 2010 elections, Republicans benefited because ideologues are more likely to turn out in congressional and elections for state legislatures. This allowed the GOP to retake the House of Representatives and, perhaps more importantly, gain control of many legislatures that redrew congressional district lines following the 2010 census. They gerrymandered the process to the enormous benefit of Republicans, virtually assuring them of holding the House through 2020.

The problem is that these same ideologues dominated the primaries for the Republican presidential nomination. They imposed severe litmus tests on all the candidates and repeatedly switched their allegiance depending on which candidate appeared purer, more principled, more conservative.

The ultimate winner, Mitt Romney, was so saddled with extreme positions that he had been forced to adopt to gain the nomination that he couldn’t win the general election despite having considerably more money on his side. Of particular difficulty for him were comments he made at a private fund raiser, secretly recorded, in which he appeared to disparage 47 percent of the population for being dependent on government handouts.

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The Republican party is down but certainly not out. But the GOP must prove that it is more than a coalition of anti-abortion absolutists, anti-tax fanatics, libertarians who want to decimate government, gun nuts and other extremists. Either that or it must find a leader with more political skill than any Republican presently on the national stage.
Can a Realist Be a Republican?

Nuance and consensus are hallmarks of Chuck Hagel's school of thought—and antithetical to the Tea Party GOP.
By Daniel McCarthy

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Washington has changed. The right and the Republican Party have changed even more. Gentility is no longer the idiom. We saw during the Hagel hearing how little a Ted Cruz cares for civility. And for a Tea Party insurgent like Mike Lee, his own understanding of truth will always trump consensus. Hierarchical deference, nuanced thought, and manners being more important than winning are out; Manichean worldviews and megaphones are in. (American politics has always has a bit of both words, but the balance in the GOP now tilts heavily toward populism.)

Realists cannot simply make timid criticisms, smile, and loyally follow the GOP to war today—they can’t do that and remain realists, and really they can’t even do that and remain in public life, as Dick Lugar has shown and Chuck Hagel may learn. Nobody in today’s Republican Party is willing to listen to softly spoken qualms and hedged critiques about life or death matters.

But clearly Republican realists cannot outbid the new breed of Tea Party neocons when it comes to demagoguery. The style is part of the substance: you simply can’t rile up a crowd or appeal to paranoid billionaires if you don’t paint an oversimplified picture of the world. The subtle thinking that is the realists’ signal virtue is impossible if one has to frame it in crude language, just as surely as good character is impossible if one thinks it can be expressed by bad behavior.

This is a very difficult lesson for many good people in Washington to accept—it’s difficult to accept because it means that the technique they use in their own heads to reconcile what they really believe with the stupid things their party does simply will not work. Only the belief that any set of words or any kind of action can really stand for a totally different type of thought or character can bridge the gulf between conscience and party. This isn’t Machiavellianism so much as a way to expiate guilt.

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Apparently the Tea Party is no longer, to some people, the grassroots movement that would usher in the second coming of the Good Old Days. Its leaders are no longer champions of the people out to reform a rotten government. They are "ideologues", "purists", "demagogues", "Manichean", "absolutists", "fanatics" and "extremists".
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Beck: The GOP Is Done — ‘And It’s a Good Thing’

On his Monday evening broadcast, Glenn Beck declared that the GOP, as America knows it, is dead and that it’s not a bad thing as far as conservatives are concerned.

In a day and age in which conservatives feel increasingly marginalized, some are left wondering if they should simply accept progressivism. For Beck, however, that is not the case. While the GOP has been irrelevant for quite some time, he believes the future of conservatism is still very much important and attainable. Beck noted that politicians are essentially all “frauds” whether they be Democrats or Republicans, “donkeys or elephants,” and that perhaps it is time for a new system all together.

“Freedom isn’t easy it requires us to be constantly engaged mentally, and physically,” Beck said before noting that the GOP’s “big tent” mentality only begets capitulation and compromise on the part of conservatives. The system is “starting to collapse.”

He added that it is not the tent, but rather the stakes supporting it that are important.

“The GOP doesn’t hold to any of their principles.”
Love the comments. :lol:

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Signs Of GOP Hope
By Rod Dreher • January 29, 2013, 12:48 PM

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Hell, I voted for Dubya twice, but did not vote in either of the last two presidential elections, because I couldn’t go with Obama, for obvious reasons, but I refused to pull the lever for a Republican Party that cannot face squarely its failures in the Iraq War debacle and the economic crash, but rather relies on the same rhetoric that got us into those messes. They simply aren’t trustworthy. They are ideologues, not conservatives. This is the same party whose president, despite 9/11, delivered FEMA to the hands of that party hack Michael Brown. It’s what happens when you value loyalty to ideology over competence. Unfortunately, GOP leaders are in a difficult position, because the base will punish them as sellouts and RINOs if they dare to question the narrative.

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The party leaders know best, but the unwashed masses won't shut the fu*k up.
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What Is the Future of Conservatism?
PETER WEHNER

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This was, to me, a danger sign. I say that not because I favor higher taxes (I don’t). But we had reached a point where none of those running for president on a conservative platform could admit to any scenario in which he, or she, would raise taxes, even if as a result doing so might roll back the modern welfare state.

“No new taxes” is fine as a goal. It is certainly a reasonable starting point in negotiations. It may even be the right end point. But to elevate it to an inviolate principle–and to insist that politicians take pledges opposing tax increases under any and all circumstances–strikes me as misguided. Taxation is always a balancing process, one that needs to be seen in the context of specific economic conditions and other possible gains. For example, no responsible conservative would forgo reforming Medicare (which is the main driver of our fiscal crisis) by injecting competition and choice into the system in exchange for slightly higher taxes on the top income earners in America.

Every political movement, including conservatism, faces the danger of elevating certain policies into catechisms and failing to take into account new circumstances. When that occurs, we lose the capacity to correct ourselves. Conservatism, at least as I understand it, ought to be characterized by openness to evidence and a search for truth, not attachment to a rigid orthodoxy.

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Well, the Crusade is off. The GOP leadership and punditry would like to thank their grassroots-fed mules for having brought them this far, although the loud braying has spoiled the trip somewhat. They would also like to tell the mules to take five and then get ready for the next elections because there's no other place to go.
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