U.S. Foreign Policy

[Alexis]

Also Alexis you forgot the most important aspect, beyond it all, TRIBE. The Arabs can't even game that out, which is the root problem, and we don't even live there.

Yes, what we get from Libya now is that a lot many armed groups cannot get into agreements about the sharing of the oil wealth - although such agreement would enable peace and security allowing resuming of extraction to pre-war levels, therefore a bigger cake to share.

Those armed groups tend to be strongly correlated to tribes / or federations of tribes.

Some Arab countries are "real" nations, generally because they have long history of being a separate entity with a specific experience. Morocco (a monarchy for thousand-plus years), Algeria (forged by experience of being influenced then revolting against France), Egypt as the center and origin of Arabism, Oman (specific religion, specific seafaring culture and history as a colonizer)... but that may be about all, among 20+ Arab countries.

And tribal reality is especially strong in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, also Saudi and other Gulf countries.

[Mr. Perfect]

One of the many things I learned from Milo was to watch "Lawrence of Arabia". Watching that movie has made every development in the ME completely predictable.

The Arabs run on TRIBE. Period. Not on race, not on Islam, the day to day governance is Tribal. We'll never figure out. They can't even figure it out. Just walk away, buy oil from a predetermined port that has some distance from the natives.

[noddy]

i was against the war but pro calling queerdafty funny names because i enjoy calling powerful turds funny names as an expression of irrelevant powerlessness.

Are you a French knight staying in Anglistan?

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Trudeau welcomes them at the airport

Saying, you are safe at home now



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Consulting firm McKinsey
poverty and unemployment in Saudi Arabia's future

The jobless rate in Saudi Arabia could exceed 20 percent by 2030, with real household income plunging another 20 percent, according to consulting firm McKinsey.

KSA kept alive with free money flowing .. no money, no honey

ByeBye Sheikhs and Amirs and Princes

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MI6 :
You Can't Understand ISIS
If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia


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“We’re often led to believe migration is a drain on the country’s resources,
but Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant.
Apple is the world’s most profitable company, it pays over $7 billion a year in taxes - and it only exists because they allowed in a young man from Homs,”

Steve Jobs’ father, Abdulfattah Jandali, was born into a Muslim household and grew up in the town of Homs, Syria. The 80-year-old has been living in the US for a long time now and is currently the Vice Chairman of the Boomtown Casino and Hotel in Reno, Nevada.

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S-500

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"The S-500 missiles will be used only against the most important targets, such as intercontinental ballistic missiles, AWACS and jamming aircraft," Military Today noted.

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“ The past five years have demonstrated that
when bad governments fall in the Middle East,
they are often replaced by something far worse.”


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“ The past five years have demonstrated that
when bad governments fall in the Middle East,
they are often replaced by something far worse.”


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Another reason to restrict immigration from there. Else they will bring the pig sty over here.

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“ The past five years have demonstrated that
when bad governments fall in the Middle East,
they are often replaced by something far worse.”


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Another reason to restrict immigration from there. Else they will bring the pig sty over here.

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“You are home,”
Trudeau said when the refugees disembarked in Toronto on Thursday after a 16-hour flight from Beirut.
“ Welcome to your new home ”

With his sleeves rolled up, Mr. Trudeau helped the man try on winter coats until he found one that fit. In return, the Syrian man thanked the prime minister “for all this hospitality and this warm welcome,” and said the Canadian government had made him and his fellow refugees feel “highly respected” as they applied to be settled.

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“We get to show the world how to open our hearts and welcome in people who are fleeing extraordinarily difficult situations,” Mr. Trudeau said during a brief speech at the airport, where the refugees had arrived on a Canadian military plane. “Tonight they step off the plane as refugees, but they walk out of this terminal as permanent residents of Canada.”

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The prime minister made no direct mention of Canada’s southern neighbor in his speech on Thursday. Yet he spoke unmistakably to a broader audience when he said: “This is something that we are able to do in this country because we define a Canadian not by a skin color or a language or a religion or a background, but by a shared set of values, aspirations, hopes and dreams that not just Canadians but people around the world share.”

Hi Doc, how you doin


Since 9/11, 400,000 dead of gun related shootings, and only 45 due to Islamist .. come on


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“We’re often led to believe migration is a drain on the country’s resources,
but Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant.
Apple is the world’s most profitable company, it pays over $7 billion a year in taxes - and it only exists because they allowed in a young man from Homs,”

Steve Jobs’ father, Abdulfattah Jandali, was born into a Muslim household and grew up in the town of Homs, Syria. The 80-year-old has been living in the US for a long time now and is currently the Vice Chairman of the Boomtown Casino and Hotel in Reno, Nevada.

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Thank you very much for your post, Azari,

Steve Jobs was adopted.....

By native born American citizens.........

Steve's own words about his biological father and mother........

With regard to his biological parents, Jobs referred to them as "my sperm and egg bank. That's not harsh, it's just the way it was, a sperm bank thing, nothing more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

So if one is trying to recreate Steve Jobs, import Syrian infants*.........

And rear them in an environment as much as like what Steve experienced as possible**........

Rather than importing persons already programmed with Syrian Arab/Muslim culture and perhaps even ISIS memes....


*Actually, you may/probably need take it a step further........ And make some bank withdrawals ......

**And yes there has been at least one book and movie about doing something like this

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“We’re often led to believe migration is a drain on the country’s resources,
but Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant.
Apple is the world’s most profitable company, it pays over $7 billion a year in taxes - and it only exists because they allowed in a young man from Homs,”

Steve Jobs’ father, Abdulfattah Jandali, was born into a Muslim household and grew up in the town of Homs, Syria. The 80-year-old has been living in the US for a long time now and is currently the Vice Chairman of the Boomtown Casino and Hotel in Reno, Nevada.

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Thank you very much for your post, Azari,

Steve Jobs was adopted.....

By native born American citizens.........

Steve's own words about his biological father and mother........

With regard to his biological parents, Jobs referred to them as "my sperm and egg bank. That's not harsh, it's just the way it was, a sperm bank thing, nothing more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

So if one is trying to recreate Steve Jobs, import Syrian infants*.........

And rear them in an environment as much as like what Steve experienced as possible**........

Rather than importing persons already programmed with Syrian Arab/Muslim culture and perhaps even ISIS memes....


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Monster, not sure what you trying to say

You want to say Middle Eastern, Arab, Muslim culture and education (until adulthood) not capable of producing world class scientist, entrepreneur, executives and leaders ? ?

If you mean that (and I think you mean that), then you very unknowledgeable about "world class scientist, entrepreneur, executives and leaders" scene in top American universities and industry and Start-up
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American "primary" educational system pretty much worthless, even behind Bangladesh, that is why America invites all those "cream of the cream" of foreign educated (meaning grown up in India and Iran in their culture), to PHd and higher education in America and those are running Science and industry now in America.

Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google, Born & raised & educated in Madras (Alma mater IIT Kharagpur (B.TECH.))

Satya Nadella, CEO Microsoft, Born Indio/Hyderabad, Alma mate : Manipal Institute of Technology

Stanford medical faculty many head of faculty Iranian doctors, born and educated in Tehran, many in MIT same

In Silicon valley many Iranian born and educated are CEO or Chairman or VP and of Twitter and uTube etc etc

They all Iranian educated and came to US later on.

Fact is, immigrant, coming from hardship, work hard to excel, that is why Silicon Valley is made by immigrants, most top engineers of Intel are either Indian or Iranian or Chinese, for that you need "multiple" Phd (having 1 Phd will not get you a research Job in valley).

A very good example is Vancouver, British Colombia .. B4 we Iranians arrived in Vancouver, Vancouver was a village, the most exotic fruit in Vancouver was Banana .. Vancouver is now premier word City .. Iranian builders and community built Vancouver to what is it now .. there were some who did not like it, they wanted to stay with cutting the trees and shipping it to America, felt threatened by new age coming to Vancouver.

400,000 dead from gun last 10 yrs and only 45 of them were Jihadi caused ? ? ?

Come on, you armed to the teeth and afraid of what ? ?

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[noddy]

madras and hyderabad are in india and are not arab, they get mad if you call them arabs.
iran is persian and isnt arab, they get mad if you ca ll them arabs.

tell me the list of saudi and pashtun scientific achievements.

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i dont actually get into this blah blah about foreign characteristics and all that, but if you are going to play that game then you atleast should make half an effort at getting the ducks to line up.

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madras and hyderabad are in india and are not arab, they get mad if you call them arabs.
iran is persian and isnt arab, they get mad if you ca ll them arabs.

tell me the list of saudi and pashtun scientific achievements.

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.. You got me pant down, noddy,

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Pretty much all, without exception, all those "Islamic" science and scientists, philosophy et all, in history, is and has been Persian.

Once I challenged an Arab poster in a fora to name an Arab world class achiever, he named Moh

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“ The past five years have demonstrated that
when bad governments fall in the Middle East,
they are often replaced by something far worse.”


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Another reason to restrict immigration from there. Else they will bring the pig sty over here.

Absolutely. After all
All those accursed Irish brought nothing but the Troubles with them.
Also those Poles, Lithuanians, and Ruthenians brought nothing but their independent spirit and fiery revolutionary tendencies with them.
All those Italians brought nothing but anarchism, communism, fascism, and worst of all, Papism, with them. And the dangerous free thinker Enrico Fermi.
All those European WWII refugees brought nothing but fascism and communism with them.
The Jews, refugees from the Holocaust, were, as always, nothing but trouble and bad news. Especially dangerous free thinkers like Einstein, von Neumann, and Wigner.
All those Vietnamese Fall of Vietnam refugees brought nothing but corruption and communism with them. And Tommy Vu.
All those Iranians brought nothing but Islam and Sharia law with them. And those troublesome Ansari's and their prizes.
All those Japanese and Chinese brought nothing but their inscrutable and sneaky oriental ways with them. Not to mention MSG. Probably the worst of the lot.
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Rank | Murders per 100,000 population

121 | USA: 3.8

129 | Egypt: 3.5
149 | UAE: 2.6
152 | Morocco: 2.2
153 | Tunisia: 2.2
154 | Lebanon: 2.2

205 | Algeria: 0.7

Rather it seems to me that ME immigrants should agree to immigrate to the USA only if, and only if, they are issued weapons for self-defense upon arrival.

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Google CEO, Sundar Pichai :
Let's not let fear defeat our values

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I came to the US from India 22 years ago. I was fortunate enough to gain entry to a university here, and time after time, I saw that hard work opened other doors. I have built a career and a family and a life here. And I’ve felt as much a part of this country, as I felt growing up in India.

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And it’s not just about opportunity. The open-mindedness, tolerance, and acceptance of new Americans is one of the country’s greatest strengths and most defining characteristics. And that is no coincidence — America, after all, was and is a country of immigrants.

That is why it’s so disheartening to see the intolerant discourse playing out in the news these days — statements that our country would be a better place without the voices, ideas and the contributions of certain groups of people, based solely on where they come from, or their religion.

I walk around the campus where I work and see a vibrant mix of races and cultures. Every one of those people has a different voice … a different perspective … a different story to tell. All of that makes our company an exciting and special place to be, and allows us to do great things together. We are urgently working to become much more diverse, because it’s so important to our future success. I firmly believe that whether you’re building a company or leading a country, a diverse mix of voices and backgrounds and experiences leads to better discussions, better decisions, and better outcomes for everyone.

I debated whether to post this, because lately it seems that criticism of intolerance just gives more oxygen to this debate. But I feel we must speak out — particularly those of us who are not under attack.

Everyone has the right to their views, but it’s also important that those who are less represented know that those are not the views of all.

Let’s not let fear defeat our values. We must support Muslim and other minority communities in the US and around the world.

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Rather it seems to me that ME immigrants should agree to immigrate to the USA only if, and only if, they are issued weapons for self-defense upon arrival.

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2B frank, am always scared when in US (used to go to RENO for playin poker ) .. thinking everybody around me most probably armed (concealed).

what use to me if I'm shot dead if the guy is arrested .. Trump said on TV there are 600 m guns in US.

Quite scary.


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Rather it seems to me that ME immigrants should agree to immigrate to the USA only if, and only if, they are issued weapons for self-defense upon arrival.

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2B frank, am always scared when in US (used to go to RENO for playin poker ) .. thinking everybody around me most probably armed (concealed).

what use to me if I'm shot dead if the guy is arrested .. Trump said on TV there are 600 m guns in US.

Quite scary.


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What are you afraid of AZ? THe same thing all those Iranian Generals that refuse to go to Syria are afraid of?

[Apollonius]

A very good example is Vancouver, British Colombia .. B4 we Iranians arrived in Vancouver, Vancouver was a village, the most exotic fruit in Vancouver was Banana .. Vancouver is now premier word City .. Iranian builders and community built Vancouver to what is it now .. there were some who did not like it, they wanted to stay with cutting the trees and shipping it to America, felt threatened by new age coming to Vancouver.

Iranians have always been bit players in Vancouver's development. Even when just considering the most recent waves of immigrants, Chinese, Koreans, and East Indians have been far more important.







Here is a snap-shot of the kind of refugees from the Middle East that I feel should be made welcome:



Metro will introduce readers to refugees who recently arrived in Vancouver - Emily Jackson, Metro News, 2 December 2015
http://www.metronews.ca/features/vancou ... t-one.html

Metro met Melis – she did not want to use the name she arrived with for fear of discrimination – on Thursday, days after she moved into her apartment after spending her first 40 nights in Canada sleeping at the Immigrant Services Society of B.C.’s Welcome House.

She ran from Iran because of persecution of transgender people. She is a woman, but not biologically. Iran is a hotspot for sexual reassignment surgery – it’s often used as a “treatment” for homosexuality, which is illegal – but she did not want to change her voice, as she is a Turkish singer.

“Right now, our country doesn’t accept transsexuals. They have a bad situation,” she said.

Like many others with gender identities not favoured by the Iranian state, Melis sought refuge in Turkey. But there, it was hard to make enough money to live. Many transgender people turn to sex work so they’re not homeless, she said. ...



... “I want to be a musician. I want to work. If I have money, I can go to school and live better, do better,” she said. “I have passed hardship to get here. I don’t want to fall into this hardship again.”

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A very good example is Vancouver, British Colombia .. B4 we Iranians arrived in Vancouver, Vancouver was a village, the most exotic fruit in Vancouver was Banana .. Vancouver is now premier word City .. Iranian builders and community built Vancouver to what is it now .. there were some who did not like it, they wanted to stay with cutting the trees and shipping it to America, felt threatened by new age coming to Vancouver.

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Iranians have always been big players in Vancouver's development.

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The most important Iranian contribution to Vancouver (and Canada) was not real estate development making Vancouver #1 north American city with 5 star Hotels and buildings and Restaurants .. that was business.

1980, when we arrived in Vancouver, Vancouver was a "small city mindset" community, rural mid America.

Now Vancouver leading North America in multi cultural, tolerance, cosmopolitan and everything good that other cities should emulate .. Iranians were heart of, instrumental in, that change (all other immigrant followed later).

Iranian community in Vancouver merged with local (Anglo/European), married into, socialized etc etc

Not so the Chinese, Korean, Japanese .. in Vancouver China town, many 3rd generation Chinese still not speaking English .. in Iranian speciality food stores in Vancouver, clients mostly non Iranians

When Harper started bad mouthing muslims, bringing fear of Muslims into election, badmouthing (muslim) immigrants, there was a tsunami toward Justin Trudeau, a new comer that we had not heard of even 1 yrs B4 election .. a senior lady phoned on live TV town-meeting with Trudeau saying she life long conservative but she would vote for Trudeau because off how she disagrees with Harper.

That welcome show in Toronto airport, Trudeau trying winter jacket on Syrian girl, reflects now Canada .. in generation or two, those immigrants might win Nobel prices in science and literature for Canada.

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What are you afraid of AZ ? THe same thing all those Iranian Generals that refuse to go to Syria are afraid of ?

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FYI , General Hossein Hamedani was killed in a road accident when his car was overtaking a truck and collided head on with a coming truck.

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Iranian advisers done their job, now Syrian Army and Russian bombing will finish the job

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Gaddafi’s Last Testament
~ by Muammar Gaddafi, April 17, 2011 ~


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What are you afraid of AZ ? THe same thing all those Iranian Generals that refuse to go to Syria are afraid of ?

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FYI , General Hossein Hamedani was killed in a road accident when his car was overtaking a truck and collided head on with a coming truck.

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Iranian advisers done their job, now Syrian Army and Russian bombing will finish the job

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That is an evasion the Iranian generals refused to follow orders and go to Syria.

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What are you afraid of AZ ? THe same thing all those Iranian Generals that refuse to go to Syria are afraid of ?

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FYI , General Hossein Hamedani was killed in a road accident when his car was overtaking a truck and collided head on with a coming truck.

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Iranian advisers done their job, now Syrian Army and Russian bombing will finish the job

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That is an evasion the Iranian generals refused to follow orders and go to Syria.

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Pls paste a link to a reputable source saying such

IRGC generals are their own boss, they themselves make the rules and issue orders .. they not under military rule.

IRGC has no government budget, is a "Private military force" .. theoretically, they take order only from Khamnei, in reality probably Khamnei takes order from them

No such thing as IRGC generals refusing order to go to Syria, neither order nor refusing.

And, regular Iranian military was never engaged in Syria, all in the hand of IRGC

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