U.S. Foreign Policy

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Postby Heracleum Persicum » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:55 pm

noddy wrote:.

i could make millions and millions of dollars with a book titled

'anglos and jews, why everything in the world is crap because they exist'

azari alone would buy my first three houses for me.

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noddy .. bad people exist everywhere and in every religion and faith

but

being the Tzar of pushing Opium on Chinese people .. and at the same time building Synagogues and being ultra religious .. how does this work ? what goes on in this David Sasson brain ? ? does he not think what he is doing is evil ? how does he justify his doing ? .. does he believe in GOD ? if yes, how does he think he would answer GOD when
he meet him ?

Reminds me of these POS Sheikhs and Amirs and Kings .. golden toilet at the same time when other Muslim nations die from hunger .. did not Moh say if your neighbor is hungry you can not eat ? and .. did Allah say Oil is personal property of Sheikhs and Amirs ? did Allah say Oil money should buy fashion houses of Italy instead of be invested in (Muslim country) Bangladesh where workers in rice-farms make dollar a day ? ? If Allah said such thing than he/she
no worth listening to.

Either their belief is fake or they fake .. in their case probably both fake :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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White House to Host Justin Trudeau for State Dinner



The photogenic Canadian couple has drawn intense attention from the news media, and Mr. Obama had a very cordial meeting at the Paris climate conference with the Canadian leader, whom the White House considers to be on the president’s ideological wavelength.




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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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In Syria, Moscow’s Terrorist Is Washington’s Freedom Fighter


The United States, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are at odds over which Syrian fighters they'll be able to shoot as terrorists — and which will be labeled moderates.



:lol: :lol:



Folks , here are Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Qatar and American "moderates :


Islamic State Issues Fatwa On How To Properly Rape Enslaved Women, Girls


Islamic State theologians have issued an extremely detailed ruling on when "owners" of women enslaved by the extremist group can have sex with them, in an apparent bid to curb what they called violations in the treatment of captured females.

The ruling or fatwa has the force of law and appears to go beyond the Islamic State's previous known utterances on the subject, a leading Islamic State scholar said. It sheds new light on how the group is trying to reinterpret centuries-old teachings to justify the sexual slavery of women in the swaths of Syria and Iraq it controls.



What a disaster, what a disaster


Putin .. Goooooooo


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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Typhoon » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:44 pm

noddy wrote:
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Interesting that the belief that "inside every gook is an American trying to get out" dates back to the first American contact with China.

Of course, China at the time was mostly a cruel, highly static, feudal society while Japan was enthusiastically adopting many Western concepts including, unfortunately, the belief in the need for and merit of overseas colonies.


the chinese as an authoritarian government system versus the chinese as a highly entrepreneurial group of capitalists that create thriving towns out of dust where ever they go is an interesting contradiction.


The USA Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was in part motivated by the economic success achieved by the Chinese who had already emigrated to the USA and the significant competition that they posed to European immigrants.


simmilar to how the modern chinese system is dealing with foreigners.

not quite excluded but only allowed in under the strict control and you may or may not lose your business overnight if the crowd gets pitchforky.


Interesting point.

Have there been incidents of large scale massacres of 洋鬼子 | foreign devils as there was of the Chinese in the USA?
I recall some Japanese brand store windows being broken during govt fomented anti-Japanese protests, but not beatings or deaths.

After allowing foreign multinationals to set up shop in China, the situation has recently changed.

The govt now appears to be strongly promoting a "China First" and "Made in China" policy to the disadvantage of foreign companies.

I was talking to a senior person in Siemens last month and he told me that Siemens China now operates as an entirely independent entity from Siemens Global which encompasses all other countries.
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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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That was when Turkey, Saudi and Qatar were f*cked .. They prosting on that .. :lol: :lol:




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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby noddy » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:41 am

Typhoon wrote:
noddy wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
noddy wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Interesting that the belief that "inside every gook is an American trying to get out" dates back to the first American contact with China.

Of course, China at the time was mostly a cruel, highly static, feudal society while Japan was enthusiastically adopting many Western concepts including, unfortunately, the belief in the need for and merit of overseas colonies.


the chinese as an authoritarian government system versus the chinese as a highly entrepreneurial group of capitalists that create thriving towns out of dust where ever they go is an interesting contradiction.


The USA Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was in part motivated by the economic success achieved by the Chinese who had already emigrated to the USA and the significant competition that they posed to European immigrants.


simmilar to how the modern chinese system is dealing with foreigners.

not quite excluded but only allowed in under the strict control and you may or may not lose your business overnight if the crowd gets pitchforky.


Interesting point.

Have there been incidents of large scale massacres of 洋鬼子 | foreign devils as there was of the Chinese in the USA?
I recall some Japanese brand store windows being broken during govt fomented anti-Japanese protests, but not beatings or deaths.


true enough, however a lawless frontier country cant really be compared to an established one when it comes to mob control, the chinese seem awfully good at making their world more HAN, even if the techniques arent as crude as once they where.


Typhoon wrote:After allowing foreign multinationals to set up shop in China, the situation has recently changed.

The govt now appears to be strongly promoting a "China First" and "Made in China" policy to the disadvantage of foreign companies.

I was talking to a senior person in Siemens last month and he told me that Siemens China now operates as an entirely independent entity from Siemens Global which encompasses all other countries.


the chinese expats i work with are all scared of investing in china, they dont believe you can garuntee the government (central or local) wont just take it all from you.

i was reading the other day that alot of japanese industries are being forced/pulled out, i will have to try and find the article.

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my original point was that of all the people to be complaining about nationalist policies that make life impossible for foreigners, the chinese arent exactly the poster children of open borders and free trade.

westerners that carried on in a hyper nationalist way like any of the south east asian politicians would be ridiculed - for example trump.
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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:25 am

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Noddy , China has no property rights .. There is no title registry .. Means you in reality do not own anything .. China still communism legal entity

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby noddy » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:50 am

yep, no immigration, no property rights, no seperation of legal system from government.

all good things apparently, the americans seem to want it aswell.
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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:31 pm

Doc wrote:
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Doc wrote:
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What are you afraid of AZ ? THe same thing all those Iranian Generals that refuse to go to Syria are afraid of ?

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FYI , General Hossein Hamedani was killed in a road accident when his car was overtaking a truck and collided head on with a coming truck.

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Iranian advisers done their job, now Syrian Army and Russian bombing will finish the job

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That is an evasion the Iranian generals refused to follow orders and go to Syria.

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Pls paste a link to a reputable source saying such

IRGC generals are their own boss, they themselves make the rules and issue orders .. they not under military rule.

IRGC has no government budget, is a "Private military force" .. theoretically, they take order only from Khamnei, in reality probably Khamnei takes order from them :lol:

No such thing as IRGC generals refusing order to go to Syria, neither order nor refusing.

And, regular Iranian military was never engaged in Syria, all in the hand of IRGC

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http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... -in-syria/
IRGC Brings Mutiny Charges Against Senior Commanders Refusing to Fight in Syria


http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Irania ... ort-432035

Iranian commanders refuse orders to fight in Syria, report says


http://en.reporter-ua.ru/iranian-genera ... assad.html
Iranian generals one after the other refuse to fight for Assad

The losses suffered by Iranian troops in battle with jihadists-Sunnis in Syria, caused demoralization, and touched the high command staff. As reported November 5, 2015 NEWSru.co.il with reference to the London newspaper «al-Sharq al-Awsat», panic succumbed to even the generals of the Islamic revolutionary guard Corps (IRGC).

A source close to the IRGC, told the newspaper that several generals and officers of the guard of the regime of the ayatollahs will be brought before a military Tribunal for refusing to go to war. They will be charged with treason and sedition.

The authorities ‘ attention was attracted by the wave of resignations among the military commanders in the General’s rank. According to the publication, they are also under investigation. The generals suspected that their resignation is actually a form of desertion.


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Iran dismissed allegations of a decline in the number of Iranian military advisors in Syria


.. this psychological war stems from the failure of the US and its allies in their so-called fight on terrorism while the "four-nation alliance [of Iran, Russia, Syria and Iraq] has managed to achieve massive and effective victories in a short period of time."



Told you, Doc, all "disinformation" to fool American Joe .. Zionist/Neocon foolin American Joe :lol:


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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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US sued over donations for illegal Israeli settlements
Lawsuit targets US Treasury Department for allowing tax-exempt donations for Israel's landgrabs.



The lawsuit claims the donations were "pass-throughs" and "funnels" to support the Israeli army and the illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.

In the US Internal Revenue Code, these organisations are identified as "501(c)(3)", and donors are given tax-exempt status and allowed to claim a tax deduction on their gift.

Sheldon Adelson, an American casino magnate, and several other wealthy pro-Israeli businessmen were named in the lawsuit as donors but not as defendants.

The Treasury Department declined to comment on the suit, stating in an email to Al Jazeera: "We don't comment on pending litigation."




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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:46 am

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U.S. Struggles to Explain Alliance With Saudis


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Monday confronted the fundamental contradiction in its increasingly tense relationship with Saudi Arabia. It could not bring itself, at least in public, to condemn the execution of a dissident cleric who challenged the royal family, . .

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On occasion, American officials muse about whether the United States and Iran might, one day, constitute more natural allies than the United States and Saudi Arabia. But that seems far off.

“It’s not as if you have an Iranian alternative,” a senior Gulf Arab official said recently. “And if you have no alternative, your best choice is to stop complaining about the Saudis.”

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:lol:

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Zack Morris » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:24 am

I've always believed that, culturally, Iran is a more natural partner for the United States. Looks like I've been years ahead of the Beltway policy establishment. I'm seriously thinking about running for President in a few more election cycles!

But to be fair, Iran hasn't been very intelligent in dealing with the US lately. Too prideful, arrogant, and even spiteful after recent gestures from the US and other Western powers intended to begin building goodwill. Rather than provoking the West with missile tests, Iran should be kissing our asses and wooing us from the Saudis, otherwise they may find that the US needs neither them, Saudi Arabia, nor even Israel.
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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:01 pm

Zack Morris wrote:.

I've always believed that, culturally, Iran is a more natural partner for the United States. Looks like I've been years ahead of the Beltway policy establishment. I'm seriously thinking about running for President in a few more election cycles !

But to be fair, Iran hasn't been very intelligent in dealing with the US lately. Too prideful, arrogant, and even spiteful after recent gestures from the US and other Western powers intended to begin building goodwill. Rather than provoking the West with missile tests, Iran should be kissing our asses and wooing us from the Saudis, otherwise they may find that the US needs neither them, Saudi Arabia, nor even Israel.

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At this stage, Iran gathering, building, "credential" with the mass from Uyghur to Bosphorus to Tangier and Cairo (to be effective) .. an "OPEN" embracing of America by Iran at this point and time, counter productive not only for Iran but for US too .. but, under the table, behind the vail, Iran and West in bed since long long time

In the meantime, America/West taking care of Iranian enemies, one by one, all free of charge, thanx

Iran not exporting much oil at this time, maybe, max 1 m b/d .. meaning, "spot" oil @ $ 36 has not much effect on Iran but Saudi who exporting 12 m b/d right now

Next "Al Saud" to go

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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Putin signs bill allowing reciprocal impounding of foreign nations’ property


Many nations will introduce such laws .. new ball game


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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

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Using the US Foreign Policy thread as a Garbage can

Postby Alexis » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:59 am

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:The “ I run Iran ” race, on April 9 next year, will finish at the mighty Gate of all Nations at Persepolis, the 2,500-year-old seat of the First Persian Empire.


This should be in "Iran" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:(video "Why is Erdogan attacking PKK not Daesh?")


This should be in "Turkey" or "Daesh" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote: :lol: :lol: , real funny


This should be in "Saudi" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:Korean Central Television showcased a segment of a ballistic missile launch carried out from a submarine on December 21.


This should be in "North Korea" thread of Asia subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:(video on Al Nimr Shia sheikh of Saudi Arabia)


This should be in "Saudi" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:(video of Putin attending Chrismas Mass)


This should be in "Russia" thread of Europe subforum.


Less than two weeks since beginning of year, and you have used this thread on US Foreign Policy to discuss everything but the thread's topic NO LESS THAN SIX TIMES ! :evil:

Couldn't you at least attempt to DISCIPLINE YOURSELF?

And don't give any lame pretext like "Everything is related to everything, and the reverse holds true". OF COURSE, everything is related to everything! But the reason subforums were created is to make it possible to follow up topics a tad bit, instead of having every thread become a garbage can for every other topic. All the examples above, all six of them, are linked first and foremost to other countries than the US of A, or to their respective foreign policies, or... sport policies, even!

Had you done this at another forum I'm contributing to, you would have long been warned in very clear words, then had you failed to correct behaviour, before long a Topol would have been expedited your way. With a H-bomb that actually works.

The Colonel here prefers to use a distant touch, aiming if I understand correctly to foster self-discipline among us. Could you please at least try to oblige?

I generally appreciate your contributions, including when - quite often - I don't agree. But transforming every thread in a garbage can is becoming really irritating.

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Typhoon » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:17 pm

Quite.
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Re: Using the US Foreign Policy thread as a Garbage can

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Alexis wrote:[rant]

Heracleum Persicum wrote:The “ I run Iran ” race, on April 9 next year, will finish at the mighty Gate of all Nations at Persepolis, the 2,500-year-old seat of the First Persian Empire.


This should be in "Iran" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:(video "Why is Erdogan attacking PKK not Daesh?")


This should be in "Turkey" or "Daesh" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote: :lol: :lol: , real funny


This should be in "Saudi" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:Korean Central Television showcased a segment of a ballistic missile launch carried out from a submarine on December 21.


This should be in "North Korea" thread of Asia subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:(video on Al Nimr Shia sheikh of Saudi Arabia)


This should be in "Saudi" thread of Middle-East subforum.


Heracleum Persicum wrote:(video of Putin attending Chrismas Mass)


This should be in "Russia" thread of Europe subforum.


Less than two weeks since beginning of year, and you have used this thread on US Foreign Policy to discuss everything but the thread's topic NO LESS THAN SIX TIMES ! :evil:

Couldn't you at least attempt to DISCIPLINE YOURSELF?

And don't give any lame pretext like "Everything is related to everything, and the reverse holds true". OF COURSE, everything is related to everything! But the reason subforums were created is to make it possible to follow up topics a tad bit, instead of having every thread become a garbage can for every other topic. All the examples above, all six of them, are linked first and foremost to other countries than the US of A, or to their respective foreign policies, or... sport policies, even!

Had you done this at another forum I'm contributing to, you would have long been warned in very clear words, then had you failed to correct behaviour, before long a Topol would have been expedited your way. With a H-bomb that actually works.

The Colonel here prefers to use a distant touch, aiming if I understand correctly to foster self-discipline among us. Could you please at least try to oblige?

I generally appreciate your contributions, including when - quite often - I don't agree. But transforming every thread in a garbage can is becoming really irritating.

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True, and , OK


But, consider, American foreign policy is not "when things actually happen", say, when US attacks Iraq, or, when now suddenly "AL Saud" falls (like Shah falling .. westerners still no clue why Shah fell, to know why Shah fell one should look what Shah did in 1960's, 20 yrs B4 he fell); but the sentiment and events for years leading to that event .. like somebody falling dead suddenly from cancer, interesting to know what lead to his cancer.

Posting Al-Nemer video, showing the man demanding human rights for Shias in Saudi Arabia, and being beheaded, news is less the nature of Al Saud rule, but pointing to what "imminent" consequence this will have for American foreign policy, at the same time I posted "Riyad's case" trying to explain why they beheaded the poor guy, followed by NYT Op-Ed from Zarif .. IMHO all belonging in American foreign policy (otherwise they would be "single news")

All these players, Saudi, Iran, Israel, Turkey even China/Russia are playing to audience to influence American Foreign Policy .. intelligent observer would pre-sense how American Foreign Policy is influenced for a long period of time by (unrelated) "small events" by players and fundamental shifts to come.

That "Real Funny" article by Spengler in ATOL, Goldman being NEOCON and anti Iran, should show that even Necons now see the change coming to American foreign policy (meaning tilt towards Iran and away from Saudi), this a fundamental change as Necons just recently were advocating an alliance Israel/Arabs against Iran.

If "many things" lead to a "single event" .. events in Yemen & Turkey & Syria & Lebanon & Bahrain will define what happens in Saudi Arabia .. posting news/analysis in different threads would lose the connection.

Once things happen, they are news .. but, one should know why those things happened.

But, your point will be observed


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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:27 pm

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Washington’s political establishment openly calling into question the historic alliance between US and Saudi Arabia


Saudi Arabia was denounced in the main editorial pages of both the New York Times and the Washington Post – the US’ two leading newspapers – for its “dangerous sectarian policies” and “reckless regime.”

This extraordinary outpouring of condemnation followed the execution of a Shiite cleric last weekend.

The Washington Post described the state killing of Sheikh Nimr al-Nimir as “a step that was as risky and ruthless as it was unjustified.”



We witnessing American Foreign Policy "evolving" .. NYT & WP basically American "elite" talking

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:32 pm

Wow, HP just posted a substantial argument in proper English. No telegraphic speech. No 'Joes or Joos'.

I tell you HP, if you took time to properly explain your logic for your posts instead of just thumbtacking blind links everywhere nobody would object to where you post. Why not aim for higher quality and less quantity this year?
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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:34 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:Wow, HP just posted a substantial argument in proper English. No telegraphic speech. No 'Joes or Joos'.

I tell you HP, if you took time to properly explain your logic for your posts instead of just thumbtacking blind links everywhere nobody would object to where you post. Why not aim for higher quality and less quantity this year?



makes sense :D


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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Doc » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:20 pm

Syrian war explained. Obama does "stupid stuff"

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Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:06 pm

Doc wrote:.

Syrian war explained. Obama does "stupid stuff"



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Thanx .. fair presentation of things

The real story is, Assad made the mistake to attack the people who where unhappy .. he misjudged the uprising (uprising was for economical reason, mostly by farmers ruined due to long drought).

When things got bad, Saudi and Turks thought they can take advantage of situation and topple Assad (Saudi wanted to get rid of Assad an Iran ally, Turks probably thinking to annex north of Syria where Turkaman live).

Russians (in the mean time back to strong military might), losing 2 of their allies, Saddam and Qaddafi, said "enough is enough".

West now thinking Assad better deal than ISIS

Assad situation improving, Saudi and Turks on downhill path.


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