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PATRICK J. BUCHANAN
Will Trump and Sanders Fall to Corrupt Bargains ?


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If Sanders and his revolution are sent packing in Philadelphia, and Trump is robbed in Cleveland of a nomination Americans believe he won, political disillusionment, and political realignment, may be at hand.

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Biggest danger to our beloved America, ain't Putin, nor China, nor the Ayatollahs

Biggest danger is, Joe realizing the crooks will not let go, system rigged

Sanders and Trump represent now the 2 side of American Joe .. cheating them will lose Joe


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If US Big Riggers whip trump-sanders voters back in cage... shock waves yes... but not disillusionment. It will give Joe more boost to beat the crooks next season.

On the other hand, Anagram Oracle is less optimistic:

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NYT
Why I’m Supporting Bernie Sanders


After considering the biggest challenges facing our nation and the future I want for my children and our country, I have decided to become the first member of the Senate to support my colleague Bernie Sanders for president.

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The first three words of the Constitution, in bold script, are “We the People.” The American story is a journey of continuous striving to more fully realize our founding principles of hope and opportunity for all.

It is time to recommit ourselves to that vision of a country that measures our nation’s success not at the boardroom table, but at kitchen tables across America. Bernie Sanders stands for that America, and so I stand with Bernie Sanders for president.

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Zack Morris wrote:Behold the American right wing, in all its intellectual glory.

You still didn't answer the question How many years of your life are you willing to give up in the name of lifespan equality?
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Zack Morris wrote:Guess you didn't read the article. Here's the low-down for you low-info AM radio types: poor people live longer in Democratic districts. Why are Republicans shortening their lifespans?
Wow. You caught me pants down. I didn't read the article. Well played Zack Morris.

Except I accidentally read this part.
It’s not even certain that the cause and effect flows from higher income to greater health; to some degree, it may go the other direction as well, because people who are healthy are better able to hold down a demanding job, and so have higher incomes.
And I skimmed this part. Oops
The new paper, in fact, finds little correlation between a region’s Medicare spending rate or the proportion of the population with health insurance and how long its poor citizens live.
Oh no. I read this too.
Public health experts who examined the results said the weak relationship did not mean that health insurance had no value. Research has long established that health care interventions have a much smaller effect on life span than behavioral factors like smoking and exercise.
Yikes, I accidentally read this too.
* Map shows what life expectancy would be if every place had the same share of Hispanics and Asians (who tend to live longer than whites) and blacks (who tend to live shorter lives than whites), and the same share of men and women.
Oh no, yet again crap data that supports no conclusions and determines no causal relationship from a left wing rag. Just the horsesh!% "intellectual glory" of leftists.
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If Bernie wins NY, could he win the nomination? Anyone know?
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Guess you didn't read the article. Here's the low-down for you low-info AM radio types: poor people live longer in Democratic districts. Why are Republicans shortening their lifespans?
Wow. You caught me pants down. I didn't read the article. Well played Zack Morris.

Except I accidentally read this part.
It’s not even certain that the cause and effect flows from higher income to greater health; to some degree, it may go the other direction as well, because people who are healthy are better able to hold down a demanding job, and so have higher incomes.
And I skimmed this part. Oops
The new paper, in fact, finds little correlation between a region’s Medicare spending rate or the proportion of the population with health insurance and how long its poor citizens live.
Oh no. I read this too.
Public health experts who examined the results said the weak relationship did not mean that health insurance had no value. Research has long established that health care interventions have a much smaller effect on life span than behavioral factors like smoking and exercise.
Yikes, I accidentally read this too.
* Map shows what life expectancy would be if every place had the same share of Hispanics and Asians (who tend to live longer than whites) and blacks (who tend to live shorter lives than whites), and the same share of men and women.
Oh no, yet again crap data that supports no conclusions and determines no causal relationship from a left wing rag. Just the horsesh!% "intellectual glory" of leftists.
Yet Zack does not want to say anything about lifespan inequality or what he is willing to give up to fight it.
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The purpose of universal health care insurance is to mutualize the risk as widely as possible across the population,

so that families are not bankrupted by catastrophic health care costs, not to cover ingrown toenails.

The USA is the only industrialized country that I can think of, offhand, that does the reverse.

A family must first be bankrupted due to health care costs before qualifying for the coverage the is most like health insurance in other industrialized countries.
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Typhoon wrote:The purpose of universal health care insurance is to mutualize the risk as widely as possible across the population,

so thatfamilies are not bankrupted by catastrophic health care costs, not to cover ingrown toenails.

The USA is the only industrialized country that I can think of, offhand, that does the reverse.

A family must first be bankrupted due to health care costs before qualifying for the coverage the is most like health insurance in other industrialized countries.
It would be interesting to see if an honest attempt to sell public health care as "a shared common expense" (cost of citizenship) would succeed in the US. Similar to the version C of mincome, to date, I don't think it has been attempted by any city, state, or county in the US.

The idea that we all pay a little bit more for the staples we buy each day, in order to avoid bankruptcy, or paying for expensive health care that we may need some at some future date (similar to roads, bridges, courts), me thinks, is a idea that could be sold to honest people, but only by someone who inspires trust and exudes integrity.

The architects of subprime and so many past fiasco's don't inspire confidence.

Even the mincomers don't seem to trust the govt. middle man who purpose in life to help them avoid pain.

There is an age old problem, everyone is potentially an infinite cost user, while no one is an infinite cost payer. Sooner or later the stewards of the system have to say to some petitioner, "sorry you're ineligible."

My foreign friends seem equally split as to whether end user paying or everyone paying for the end user is better. I suspect their perspective is strongly influence by their personal health problems or lack there of.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Now, America has to reveal the real face of America

Presidential candidates have and will comment on this, let's see what they say.

Poor Al Saud .. poor Egypt .. poor Hashemite Abdullah

Only people who are laughing are the mad mullahs, they can't stop laughing .. GOD sent gift to mad mullahs

BiBi could be Iranian agent.

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Typhoon wrote:The purpose of universal health care insurance is to mutualize the risk as widely as possible across the population,
Says who.
so that families are not bankrupted by catastrophic health care costs, not to cover ingrown toenails.
Says who. Democrats will not agree with you, the sales pitch for obamacare was much different.
The USA is the only industrialized country that I can think of, offhand, that does the reverse.
We are also the wealthiest industrialized nation, or were before obama, and so there is no reason to follow any other country. As a result we have the best healthcare in the world.
A family must first be bankrupted due to health care costs before qualifying for the coverage the is most like health insurance in other industrialized countries.
In the US a tiny percentage of families go bankrupt because of healthcare, while across the industrialized world almost all the single payer nations are going bankrupt.

So much better to not have single payer.

But unfortunately the US already has single payer, called Medicare, and it delivers on none of the promises of single payer. That is it is going bankrupt already, it does not control costs, and it denies services when it sees fit, with no alternative for Medicare recipients. In private insurance if one company denies a certain service you at least have a chance to look for an alternative, whereas with Government Medicare you are doomed.

Also obama cut Medicare to pay for obamacare, dooming millions to an early death and effectively breaching the social contract of entitlements themselves, something the insurance industry cannot do.

And you have lost this debate so many times in the abstract, in the polls and at the ballot box and yet have learned nothing about it, not one dot. Breathtaking to behold.
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“ Our tax returns show
we made less money in a year than Secretary Clinton did in one speech [to Wall Street firms],”
Sanders said.



Look, Mr. Perfect .. you ridiculing that Indian police taking $ 2 bribe to forgo the parking ticket .. and .. Hillary taking $ 233,600 dollars from Goldman for a speech that is all rubbish (she neither knows anything from business nor economy - and - she can not say anything classified), pure and simple "BRIBE".

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Sanders's 2014 tax documents show he and his wife Jane reported an adjusted gross income of about $205,000 that year.

That same year, Clinton made an average of $233,600 per speech.

She gave 45 speeches in 2014 raking in a total of about $10.5 million, according to a Politico report.

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45 speeches , one speech per week, including Christmas Holiday and Eastern and summer recess .. making $ 10 m :D


That $ 10 m booked as expense and paid by Tax payers, dishwashers and toilet cleaners on minimum wage.

What a bordello ... what a bordello

Institutionalised corruption .. called SPEECH.

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Some good stuff.
Simple Minded wrote: It would be interesting to see if an honest attempt to sell public health care as "a shared common expense" (cost of citizenship) would succeed in the US. Similar to the version C of mincome, to date, I don't think it has been attempted by any city, state, or county in the US.

The idea that we all pay a little bit more for the staples we buy each day, in order to avoid bankruptcy, or paying for expensive health care that we may need some at some future date (similar to roads, bridges, courts), me thinks, is a idea that could be sold to honest people, but only by someone who inspires trust and exudes integrity.
We had this debated to the death, all the way to the atoms, over obamacare, and the result is that 60-80% of Americans do not want to leave their private insurance. Even HRC has backed off single payer HC, it is a settled issue. As noted before obamacare is morphing into a privatization of Medicaid, so not too big a deal.
The architects of subprime and so many past fiasco's don't inspire confidence.
Dunno. HRC is as likely as anyone to be President.
Even the mincomers don't seem to trust the govt. middle man who purpose in life to help them avoid pain.

There is an age old problem, everyone is potentially an infinite cost user, while no one is an infinite cost payer. Sooner or later the stewards of the system have to say to some petitioner, "sorry you're ineligible."

My foreign friends seem equally split as to whether end user paying or everyone paying for the end user is better. I suspect their perspective is strongly influence by their personal health problems or lack there of.
Yes indeed. I've never seen a single payer country spend a billion dollars to save someone's life, and we all know about medical tourism.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

“ Our tax returns show
we made less money in a year than Secretary Clinton did in one speech [to Wall Street firms],”
Sanders said.



Look, Mr. Perfect .. you ridiculing that Indian police taking $ 2 bribe to forgo the parking ticket .. and .. Hillary taking $ 233,600 dollars from Goldman for a speech that is all rubbish (she neither knows anything from business nor economy - and - she can not say anything classified), pure and simple "BRIBE".

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Sanders's 2014 tax documents show he and his wife Jane reported an adjusted gross income of about $205,000 that year.

That same year, Clinton made an average of $233,600 per speech.

She gave 45 speeches in 2014 raking in a total of about $10.5 million, according to a Politico report.

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45 speeches , one speech per week, including Christmas Holiday and Eastern and summer recess .. making $ 10 m :D

What a bordello ... what a bordello

Institutionalised corruption .. called SPEECH.

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Always said, can take Democrat out of Tammany Hall, but can't take Tammany Hall out of Democrat. You are right, to the dots. HRC is the walking incarnation of everything bad in politics.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

“ Our tax returns show
we made less money in a year than Secretary Clinton did in one speech [to Wall Street firms],”
Sanders said.



Look, Mr. Perfect .. you ridiculing that Indian police taking $ 2 bribe to forgo the parking ticket .. and .. Hillary taking $ 233,600 dollars from Goldman for a speech that is all rubbish (she neither knows anything from business nor economy - and - she can not say anything classified), pure and simple "BRIBE".

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Sanders's 2014 tax documents show he and his wife Jane reported an adjusted gross income of about $205,000 that year.

That same year, Clinton made an average of $233,600 per speech.

She gave 45 speeches in 2014 raking in a total of about $10.5 million, according to a Politico report.

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45 speeches , one speech per week, including Christmas Holiday and Eastern and summer recess .. making $ 10 m :D

What a bordello ... what a bordello

Institutionalised corruption .. called SPEECH.

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Always said, can take Democrat out of Tammany Hall, but can't take Tammany Hall out of Democrat.

You are right, to the dots.

HRC is the walking incarnation of everything bad in politics.

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:D


America needs a new beginning with a "clean sheet of paper"

Bill ruined America, not W.

HRC will be disaster.

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American ruin has many fathers, yes, Clinton big time, W some, obama huge.

Trump last chance, may be too late. Sanders, who I respect a little bit, should run in Iceland or Sweden, America at it's best when capitalist.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:.

American ruin has many fathers, yes, Clinton big time, W some, obama huge.

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True, Bill doing lead to economic collapse of 2008

W. was just cowboy missing the "good old days", but, he knew when to fold.

Jury still out for Obama .. we will know in 10 yrs whether Obama not getting involved in foreign wars was good.

Mr. Perfect wrote:.

Trump last chance, may be too late.

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That Cruz a real disaster .. if it has 2B, Trump the better choice
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Sanders, who I respect a little bit, should run in Iceland or Sweden, America at it's best when capitalist.

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:lol: .. unfortunately true .. You no Sweden


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Well, poor Bernie, his bubble "burst" Az, thinking now, pack head to Iceland/Sweden, try politics in those spaces.

Crooked Hillary is face of Democrats.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Well, poor Bernie, his bubble "burst" Az, thinking now, pack head to Iceland/Sweden, try politics in those spaces.

Crooked Hillary is face of Democrats.
Mr P,

Not a bad result. Bernie has reminded POTUS Hillary that voters swing both ways. She won't let that pass.

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manolo wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Well, poor Bernie, his bubble "burst" Az, thinking now, pack head to Iceland/Sweden, try politics in those spaces.

Crooked Hillary is face of Democrats.
Mr P,

Not a bad result. Bernie has reminded POTUS Hillary that voters swing both ways. She won't let that pass.

Alex.
Yeah Too bad there is not a White House Socialist Office that Hillary can fire every one from.
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Doc wrote: Yeah Too bad there is not a White House Socialist Office that Hillary can fire every one from.
Doc,

What Bernie has done is influence a Clinton presidency in a good way. He has reminded Hillary that liberals have voices in America too and are not always on the back foot. I think his effect will be seen best in the long term, as he speaks to the deep and universal issues in people's lives.

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Socialist fires a bunch of workers. The irony.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/politics/ ... ownsizing/
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Socialist fires a bunch of workers. The irony.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/politics/ ... ownsizing/
It is worse than you know. You should hear my socialist friends bitch about how much they pay in taxes. :shock:

They even pay accountants to lower their tax burden. :o
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manolo wrote:
Doc wrote: Yeah Too bad there is not a White House Socialist Office that Hillary can fire every one from.
Doc,

What Bernie has done is influence a Clinton presidency in a good way. He has reminded Hillary that liberals have voices in America too and are not always on the back foot. I think his effect will be seen best in the long term, as he speaks to the deep and universal issues in people's lives.

Alex.
I think Bernie's effect will be to the open hearts of the young to the inherent corruption that is the socialist movement that their eyes are seeing. It just takes a few years for their brains to register it. :D
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