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Nonc Hilaire wrote:Bernie and Trump both want to convince us they can change tires while still driving the car, but at least they see the need for change.
This only confirms my suspicions that Saudi Arabia has insinuated itself into the very heart of US domestic politics:

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Folks,

Change that we can believe in. :)

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I wouldn't trust her with my change.
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YMix wrote:I wouldn't trust her with my change.
Change, indeed.

From a once prophesied landslide to squeaking in past Bernie by a only few points.
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YMix wrote:I wouldn't trust her with my change.
YMix,

I'm sure Hillary will be gentle as she loosens your purse strings. :o

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YMix wrote:I wouldn't trust her with my change.
Oh you shouldn't said that Hillary won't like it. :D
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Hilary Supporters lie about Sanders in Nevada caucuses


Civil rights activist Dolores Huerta claims Bernie Sanders supporters chanted 'English-only' at Nevada caucus
BY Nicole Hensley
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, February 21, 2016, 4:37 AM

Latina civil rights activist Dolores Huerta claims Bernie Sanders supporters chanted “English-only” when she offered to translate at a Nevada caucus site.

Huerta said the chant took place inside the Las Vegas Hotel and Casino, although video of the alleged moment does not corroborate her statement repeated by “Ugly Betty” actress America Ferrera.

Both Ferrera and Huerta have endorsed Hillary Clinton, who won Nevada with 52% of the vote against Sanders.
Labour leader and civil rights activist Dolores Huerta claims Bernie Sanders supporters at a Nevada caucus shouted "English-only" when she offered to translate for Spanish-speaking voters. FREDERIC J. BROWN/AFP/Getty Images
Labour leader and civil rights activist Dolores Huerta claims Bernie Sanders supporters at a Nevada caucus shouted "English-only" when she offered to translate for Spanish-speaking voters.

“I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only,” Huerta tweeted Saturday. “We fought too long & hard to be silenced.”

The video shows no sign of supporters shouting “English-only," but a woman repeatedly shouting “neutral” is audible. The one-word cry is an apparent request for an impartial translator other than Huerta, who has stumped for Clinton.


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I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus
— Dolores Huerta (@DoloresHuerta) February 20, 2016

Harrah's casino site- Bernie supporters chant "English-only" to stop civil rights leader @DoloresHuerta from providing Spanish translation.
— America Ferrera (@AmericaFerrera) February 20, 2016

It’s unclear if Huerta, a National Farm Workers Association co-founder, misunderstood the events that unfolded inside the Sin City casino auditorium when the caucus moderator asked for a translator. The event was attended by numerous Spanish-speaking voters

Huerta later shamed Sanders on Twitter for “depriving” Spanish-speaking voters of information needed to participate in Saturday’s vote.

A Sanders supporter offered to translate as well, Huerta later told CNN, but caucus organizers ultimately went without translators to avoid favoring either of the Democratic candidates.

Voters were asked to pick their candidate by standing on either side of the theater.

The event was also attended by Sanders supporters, actresses Susan Sarandon and Gaby Hoffman, both of whom disputed Huerta’s claim a day after she published a critical blog post on Sanders’ voting record on immigration policies.

“Misinformation like this is very dangerous and divisive,” Hoffmann tweeted.
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"We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm not sure another woman is what we need."
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Uge, uge endorsement for the Bernmeister!!!!

everybody loves Dick Van Dyke!

90 year old telling me "he may be the last voice we ever hear" reminds me of my 84 year old friend who says "at my age, you don't buy no green bananas!"

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This became almost an international reality in 2008 and the risk still persists. The perpetrators are still on the loose; the Oligarchic Dalton Brothers. The Bern seems the only one hungry to go after them and change the rules of their criminal game. Goldman Sachs' CEO Chieftain Dalton said as much: Sanders is a serious danger.

My only beef with Bern is that it seems silly to identify himself with socialism. If he really looks up to Europe he better informs himself about the history of socialism and "socialist" parties in Europe. They are either extinct or transformed into center/left-of-center mainstream politics. And the main issue, here too, is now questions of monopoly versus democracy as with the Brexit. The US-made Dalton's Oligarchy is being exported to Europe, I hope a Brexit and a Dutch Nexit (Netherlands Exit) will follow suit and kill the beast here in time.
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The perps were the Democrat Party who created the Federal Reserve and the Subprime Mortgage market and Freddie and Fannie. Democrat op from top to bottom.

Goldman et al just teabagged everybody in the process. Don't hate the player hate the game.
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manolo wrote:Folks,

Change that we can believe in. :)

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Alex.
She is running explicitly as non change. You may not want to misrepresent your candidate.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:The perps were the Democrat Party who created the Federal Reserve and the Subprime Mortgage market and Freddie and Fannie. Democrat op from top to bottom.

Goldman et al just teabagged everybody in the process. Don't hate the player hate the game.
I disagree. All parties involved pushed for things to happen and not just passively enjoy da game and rules. Gangsters, gang members of this Dalton Syndicate, all have different tasks of course. Bribe a few to rig another rule.. was part and parcel too. I also like to distinguish between deregulation (very good where it serves healthy Capitalism and when it prunes away unmanageable complexity) and rigging rules which I'd term irregulation or just rigg-ulation for fun. Re-regulation probably is an ongoing need when the world keeps changing and becoming more complex every decade.

You could be right Mr. P. that most gang-members, among corporates and politicians, were and are Democrat or voting Democrat. I don't know the ratios. But to me it is not relevant what hat a criminal wears or claims to be politically.

A RC priest who started sexually abusing children simply becomes a child molester and ends being a Priest and Catholic as far as I'm concerned. It simply is not relevant any longer if a rapist was democrat, republican, christian, jew, secular, muslim, a celebrated black ex-sitcom actor or Bill Clinton for that matter.
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Parodite wrote:
I disagree. All parties involved pushed for things to happen and not just passively enjoy da game and rules. Gangsters, gang members of this Dalton Syndicate, all have different tasks of course. Bribe a few to rig another rule.. was part and parcel too. I also like to distinguish between deregulation (very good where it serves healthy Capitalism and when it prunes away unmanageable complexity) and rigging rules which I'd term irregulation or just rigg-ulation for fun. Re-regulation probably is an ongoing need when the world keeps changing and becoming more complex every decade.

You could be right Mr. P. that most gang-members, among corporates and politicians, were and are Democrat or voting Democrat. I don't know the ratios. But to me it is not relevant what hat a criminal wears or claims to be politically.

A RC priest who started sexually abusing children simply becomes a child molester and ends being a Priest and Catholic as far as I'm concerned. It simply is not relevant any longer if a rapist was democrat, republican, christian, jew, secular, muslim, a celebrated black ex-sitcom actor or Bill Clinton for that matter.
Amen Bro.

Now you sound like a typical over 70 year old American preaching the virtues of personal responsibility while warning of the detriments of individuals obsessing over group identity, and the collective destructiveness of identity politics.

There truly is nothing new under the sun where human behavior is concerned, is there?
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Parodite wrote: I disagree. All parties involved pushed for things to happen and not just passively enjoy da game and rules. Gangsters, gang members of this Dalton Syndicate, all have different tasks of course. Bribe a few to rig another rule.. was part and parcel too. I also like to distinguish between deregulation (very good where it serves healthy Capitalism and when it prunes away unmanageable complexity) and rigging rules which I'd term irregulation or just rigg-ulation for fun. Re-regulation probably is an ongoing need when the world keeps changing and becoming more complex every decade.
Not really. Goldman played the game the way it was designed to be played. You can't buy regulation unless regulation is first for sale. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
You could be right Mr. P. that most gang-members, among corporates and politicians, were and are Democrat or voting Democrat. I don't know the ratios. But to me it is not relevant what hat a criminal wears or claims to be politically.
They were all Democrats. All of them.
A RC priest who started sexually abusing children simply becomes a child molester and ends being a Priest and Catholic as far as I'm concerned. It simply is not relevant any longer if a rapist was democrat, republican, christian, jew, secular, muslim, a celebrated black ex-sitcom actor or Bill Clinton for that matter.
But if the schoolteacher union is molesting kids at a factor of 10-1 over the competing groups, you start to look at the schoolteacher union.
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Simple Minded wrote:Amen Bro.

Now you sound like a typical over 70 year old American preaching the virtues of personal responsibility while warning of the detriments of individuals obsessing over group identity, and the collective destructiveness of identity politics.
One hopes the obvious and common sense does not see the sunlight only until at 70+. I'd argue that 15+ is a better and also a good statistical average! The understanding that in a court of law someone tried for a crime is not likely to be investigated on his favorite ice cream brand and the toothpaste his mother uses. Yep.. even kids understand this, me ameth pretty sureth.
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Hardly... I guess.
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Parodite wrote: I disagree. All parties involved pushed for things to happen and not just passively enjoy da game and rules. Gangsters, gang members of this Dalton Syndicate, all have different tasks of course. Bribe a few to rig another rule.. was part and parcel too. I also like to distinguish between deregulation (very good where it serves healthy Capitalism and when it prunes away unmanageable complexity) and rigging rules which I'd term irregulation or just rigg-ulation for fun. Re-regulation probably is an ongoing need when the world keeps changing and becoming more complex every decade.
Not really. Goldman played the game the way it was designed to be played. You can't buy regulation unless regulation is first for sale. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
The push to "deregulate", notably repealing the Glass-Steagall act, was pushed for by corporate investment banksters and speculators decades long: a link was once posted by Typhoon.

The 2008 crisis was not only caused by the housing bubble in the US. Also regulators not doing their job and allowing triple-A dog-poo to accumulate in the housing market knowingly.

A number of wrong incentives have contributed to the 2008 crisis. Most importantly, IMO, the fact that people like Goldman Sachs CEO Blankfein are allowed to entirely protect their private capital from being exposed to the same risks he takes with other peoples money.

Intentionally rigged or not.. the incentives operating in the financial industry will drive us again to a 2008 situation.

Btw.. Mr. P.,... you of all people should know. Where there are rules&laws, there will always be people trying to find semi-illegal loopholes, try steal without being caught, or preferably: grab power and change laws to rig a system in your own favor.
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Parodite wrote: The push to "deregulate", notably repealing the Glass-Steagall act, was pushed for by corporate investment banksters and speculators decades long: a link was once posted by Typhoon.
I guess. But Glas steagl didn't have anything to do with anything.
The 2008 crisis was not only caused by the housing bubble in the US. Also regulators not doing their job and allowing triple-A dog-poo to accumulate in the housing market knowingly.
It was caused by a Keynesian bubble, a government created debt market and a government created financing entity, Freddie/Fannie.

It's all Democrat from top to bottom.
A number of wrong incentives have contributed to the 2008 crisis. Most importantly, IMO, the fact that people like Goldman Sachs CEO Blankfein are allowed to entirely protect their private capital from being exposed to the same risks he takes with other peoples money.
As I said, don't hate the playa, hate the game. GS just plays the game as designed by Democrats. Root cause is the Democrats, not GS.
Intentionally rigged or not.. the incentives operating in the financial industry will drive us again to a 2008 situation.
Um, under obama we're already there again. You guys really, really, really don't pay attention.
Btw.. Mr. P.,... you of all people should know. Where there are rules&laws, there will always be people trying to find semi-illegal loopholes, try steal without being caught, or preferably: grab power and change laws to rig a system in your own favor.
And Democrats are there to facilitate that process at every step. That's why we're against Democrats so much.

You should watch this video, it's really going to change your mind.

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Parodite wrote:
One hopes the obvious and common sense does not see the sunlight only until at 70+. I'd argue that 15+ is a better and also a good statistical average! The understanding that in a court of law someone tried for a crime is not likely to be investigated on his favorite ice cream brand and the toothpaste his mother uses. Yep.. even kids understand this, me ameth pretty sureth.
Unfortunately, the possession of "common sense" and the ability to recognize the "obvious" at age 15 is greatly dependent upon the adults one is exposed to prior to age 15. For some, accident of birth is a blessing, for others a significant burden to overcome.

One could get rid of a lot of regulation and regulation simply by restricting breeding to above average (measures could include: health, income, IQ, charitable donation, lack of criminal activity in one's family, DNA analysis, etc.) members of society.

"We" spend so much time and effort in licensing so many aspects of society, that it seems counter-productive to not apply Root Cause Analysis to the problem of Social Engineering.

A bit surprising that eugenics has not been more popular and ubiquitous through out history. Probably due to the "me" vs. "we" conundrum. Everyone wants to live in a better world, few like being regulated.
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This became almost an international reality in 2008 and the risk still persists. The perpetrators are still on the loose; the Oligarchic Dalton Brothers. The Bern seems the only one hungry to go after them and change the rules of their criminal game. Goldman Sachs' CEO Chieftain Dalton said as much: Sanders is a serious danger.

My only beef with Bern is that it seems silly to identify himself with socialism. If he really looks up to Europe he better informs himself about the history of socialism and "socialist" parties in Europe. They are either extinct or transformed into center/left-of-center mainstream politics. And the main issue, here too, is now questions of monopoly versus democracy as with the Brexit. The US-made Dalton's Oligarchy is being exported to Europe, I hope a Brexit and a Dutch Nexit (Netherlands Exit) will follow suit and kill the beast here in time.
The EU is an oligarchy, and has been one for decades.
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I have seen selves like that* in the former Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe during the Warsaw Pact, so-called, era**.

Never in what many Americans mis-perceive, Sanders included, to be socialist Europe today.

Actually the food in the supermarkets and shops in Austria, Denmark, Holland, and most memorably France and the Baltics, to name a few that I can recall, was outstanding in terms of quality and freshness compared to that when I lived in the USA.

*Although my guess is that this image was taken pre-hurricane somewhere in the USA.
Saw the shelves at Woolies in Darwin up in the NTs get cleaned right out before a big cyclone hit.

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Parodite wrote: The push to "deregulate", notably repealing the Glass-Steagall act, was pushed for by corporate investment banksters and speculators decades long: a link was once posted by Typhoon.
I guess. But Glas steagl didn't have anything to do with anything.
The 2008 crisis was not only caused by the housing bubble in the US. Also regulators not doing their job and allowing triple-A dog-poo to accumulate in the housing market knowingly.
It was caused by a Keynesian bubble, a government created debt market and a government created financing entity, Freddie/Fannie.

It's all Democrat from top to bottom.
A number of wrong incentives have contributed to the 2008 crisis. Most importantly, IMO, the fact that people like Goldman Sachs CEO Blankfein are allowed to entirely protect their private capital from being exposed to the same risks he takes with other peoples money.
As I said, don't hate the playa, hate the game. GS just plays the game as designed by Democrats. Root cause is the Democrats, not GS.
Intentionally rigged or not.. the incentives operating in the financial industry will drive us again to a 2008 situation.
Um, under obama we're already there again. You guys really, really, really don't pay attention.
Btw.. Mr. P.,... you of all people should know. Where there are rules&laws, there will always be people trying to find semi-illegal loopholes, try steal without being caught, or preferably: grab power and change laws to rig a system in your own favor.
And Democrats are there to facilitate that process at every step. That's why we're against Democrats so much.

You should watch this video, it's really going to change your mind.

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Republicrats were as much at the trough as Demopublicans.

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A small group of pundits have criticized the movie [The Big Short], claiming that the fundamental narrative is wrong. The government, they say, is at fault, because it forced banks to give mortgages to lower-income people who couldn’t afford them. Barron’s blamed Bill Clinton, the Wall Street Journal blamed “uncertainty about how government would treat the biggest banks,” and Peter Wallison at the American Enterprise Institute went back to pursuing his white whale, blaming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for all that is wrong in the world.

Each of these arguments has been so thoroughly debunked over the years that they are not worth spilling more than a few pixels here. Yes, Clinton -- and George W. Bush after him -- both promoted housing for lower-income families. However, these were not the mortgages at the heart of the crisis. As my Bloomberg View colleague Noah Smith observes, “housing bubbles manifested in many countries that had no equivalent to the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the bubble was driven by middle- and high-income borrowers, and the borrowers who drove up prices were primarily speculators rather than owner-occupiers.”
Wearing ideological blinders while trying to understand the FIRE economy is like boxing blindfolded with one hand tied behind behind one's back.

The same applies to trying to make money in the financial markets.
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