The eternal US elections - 2016 edition

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Mr. Perfect wrote:For popcorn factor, biden Trump would be the ultimate.
Extra butter if Biden pinches Hillary's ass on her way out.
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Is Obama taking Hillary out?


The Washington Times
By Monica Crowley
29 July 2015

Hillary Clinton is not going to be the Democratic nominee for president.

Yes, the conventional wisdom is that she is still the prohibitive favorite, armed with big money, big connections, and the Big Dog, Bill.

But the so-called “wisdom” is “conventional” for a reason.

As a result of endless sordid scandals and predictably Clintonian evasions, her poll numbers on everything from favorability to trustworthiness are in a nosedive. A battery of new polls in key swing states such as Colorado and Iowa show her losing to a number of GOP challengers.

She’s also taking incoming from the left, particularly from Vermont senator and socialist Bernie Sanders, who is scoring major crowds and an increasing percentage of the Democratic vote, indicating that the leftist base sees him as a viable option and not merely a vehicle to register discontent with Mrs. Clinton.

Polls this early in the cycle can be unreliable. But they do indicate a significant downward trend for her that must have her campaign at DEFCON 3.

None of this, however, is her most serious problem. Instead, it’s something much closer to home, much more insidious, much more dangerous than anything else.

It’s President Obama. And he just made his move.

Here’s how it’s likely going down:

The Clintons and the Obamas have a long history of bad blood, dating to the 2008 primary race. After Mr. Obama creamed her, he offered her the plum gig of secretary of state. Friends close, enemies closer. She tried to get her dirty tricks consigliere, Sidney Blumenthal, a top position in the State Department, which Mr. Obama pointedly denied. So she hired him anyway through the Clinton Foundation.

Through Mr. Blumenthal, she was fed all kinds of intelligence on global hotpots such as Libya, much of it inaccurate, as she circumvented traditional government communication chains via her private email server. What was she hiding from Mr. Obama? And why? Perhaps because she trusted Mr. Obama about as much as she trusted Bill.

Mr. Obama didn’t trust her, either. In a recently disclosed email, Mrs. Clinton complained that she heard “on the radio” that there was a “Cabinet meeting” that morning and wondered if she could attend. The secretary of state — fourth in line to the presidency — was frozen out, so she set up her own fiefdom.

Mr. Obama needs a successor whom he can control to ensure that the “fundamental transformation of the nation” continues. He cannot control either of the Clintons. In a revealing “tell” this week, he said, “In 18 months, I’m turning over the keys. I want to make sure I’m turning over the keys to somebody who is serious about the serious problems that the country faces and the world faces.”

He will therefore back the one person he knows will do his bidding: his vice president, Joe Biden, whom he summons to his side for every critical photo op, including the announcement of the Iran deal. There’s more going on there than just symbolism.

So here’s the likely plan: Mr. Biden will announce that he is running for president (the reported dying wish of his late son, Beau). After a respectable amount of time, Mr. Obama will announce that while he admires all of the Democratic candidates, Mr. Biden has earned his particular loyalty.

Following his presidential endorsement, Mr. Obama will then support Mr. Biden with the full weight of the White House, including the sophisticated technical infrastructure his campaigns used to win in 2008 and 2012. For years, Mrs. Clinton has begged Mr. Obama to turn it over to her, and he refused. He’s been saving it for someone else.

Mr. Obama will also use his considerable influence with black and Latino voters to support Mr. Biden, which may be enough to help him significantly.

But Mrs. Clinton is a survivor, they will say. The media protects her. True. But it will be a much different situation if she’s under criminal investigation by the Justice Department or worse, crippled by a Special Prosecutor or even an indictment.

Don’t think Mr. Obama will go there? He already has. Last week, the New York Times reported that two inspectors general from his administration recommended that the Justice Department open a “criminal” inquiry into her handling of classified material. The leak to the Times came from a “senior administration official,” which some have speculated was Mr. Obama’s own consigliere, Valerie Jarrett. The Times walked back some of the details, but the damage was done. If Mr. Obama did not want a DOJ criminal investigation of Mrs. Clinton to go forward, he would not have let it go this far.

He wants the investigation, wants her nailed, wants her out. And he’s doing it, slowly, steadily.

The Clintons used to be champion Machiavellians. But in Mr. Obama, they look like they are being outmaneuvered — again — by the ultimate take-no-prisoners master.

Hillary is being given the Judas kiss by her former boss, a man loyal to no one but himself.

Monica Crowley is online opinion editor at The Washington Times.l
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Looks like GOP President and the end of the Democrat Party, by Democrat on Democrat fragging.
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Here you go ymix, Democrats can't even tell the difference between themselves and socialists.

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Mr. Perfect wrote:Here you go ymix, Democrats can't even tell the difference between themselves and socialists.
Not surprising at all. Most people in your country don't seem to have any idea what socialism actually entails, including you.
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I know exactly what it entails, that is why my genetic spidersense goes to 10 when a Democrat opens it's mouth.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:I know exactly what it entails
:lol:
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I completely agree with everything you said here. So, what's so funny.
YMix wrote: Total control of the economy by the state, near elimination of interest, nationalization and liquidation of all private banks, a change of focus away from the rich and middle class to the working class, same for consumer products versus the infrastructure that improves the lower classes' standard of living.
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I don't see the Democratic Party endorsing anything of the kind.
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The Democrats are usually never honest about anything. But I've never seen an Democrat argue against any limit on the government viz the economy, unless they thought it would cost them an election.
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Or to put it another way, I've never seen a Democrat argue for anything less than the most socialism they can get that their constituency will stomach, from DeBlasio to Clinton to Cuomo to Feinstein.
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And yet, despite the Democratic Party's control of the government some years back, socialism has yet to descend upon the USA. It seems that arguing doesn't necessarily lead to action.

Also, simple government intervention is not socialism.
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I've always said Democrats are incompetent and stupid. I said many times that if HRC had been elected then she would have had us all in grey smocks with little red books within 6 months. Stupidly, the Democrats chose a complete greenhorn incompetent. Too bad for them.

And we are dramatically socialist already, all because of Democrats. The government is 40% of the economy in "Capitalist" America due to new deals and great societies. That's huge. I'm fighting for a 75% reduction.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:I've always said Democrats are incompetent and stupid. I said many times that if HRC had been elected then she would have had us all in grey smocks with little red books within 6 months. Stupidly, the Democrats chose a complete greenhorn incompetent. Too bad for them.
Yes, this also makes you look silly.
And we are dramatically socialist already, all because of Democrats. The government is 40% of the economy in "Capitalist" America due to new deals and great societies. That's huge. I'm fighting for a 75% reduction.
As always, feel free to start a thread about the concrete steps taken by the GOP to stop or reverse the Democratic Party's actions.
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YMix wrote: Yes, this also makes you look silly.
Not to liberals who cry themselves to sleep over the failures of obama who now long for Sanders.
As always, feel free to start a thread about the concrete steps taken by the GOP to stop or reverse the Democratic Party's actions.
I do, and have everyday almost. If you don't pay attention I am in no way obligated to repeat myself.

But more importantly, the American people have taken stock of the situation and have chosen me and my party over you and your party, most likely permanently, the way things look.

And btw nice goalpost moving, I actually didn't catch it the first time. You finally got one over on me, for a minute.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Not to liberals who cry themselves to sleep over the failures of obama who now long for Sanders.
Not to mention deluded.
I do, and have everyday almost. If you don't pay attention I am in no way obligated to repeat myself.
Actually, you keep avoiding that. Since you blame all this creeping toward socialism solely on the Democratic Party, you could at least bring some proof.
But more importantly, the American people have taken stock of the situation and have chosen me and my party over you and your party, most likely permanently, the way things look.
Definitely deluded. Amusingly, Obama has an approval rating of 46%, while the eternal supermajority GOP Congress has an average approval rating of 16.2%.
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YMix wrote: Not to mention deluded.
Seems like there is no end to negative adjectives that fit democrats.
Actually, you keep avoiding that. Since you blame all this creeping toward socialism solely on the Democratic Party, you could at least bring some proof.
I don't really have to as democrats have done it for me. They spent years saying that the GOP was the most radical extreme obstructionist party in history who thoughtlessly opposed Obama on spite alone. Maybe they were right.

If you thought the GOP was responsible for socialism you would like the GOP.
Definitely deluded. Amusingly, Obama has an approval rating of 46%, while the eternal supermajority GOP Congress has an average approval rating of 16.2%.
Man. You know less about polling than I surmised.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:I don't really have to as democrats have done it for me.
I'm not interested in what the Democrats say. It's up to you to show proof.
Man. You know less about polling than I surmised.
Explain.
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YMix wrote: I'm not interested in what the Democrats say. It's up to you to show proof.
We already did. We spent 6 years going to the American people explaining our side and condemning their side and the result was a record political collapse of the democrats and a record rejuvenation of the GOP. If you didn't follow along that isn't my problem.

And if the GOP is socialist you would like the GOP.
Explain.
The congressional approval number turns out to be predictive of nothing.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:We already did. We spent 6 years going to the American people explaining our side and condemning their side and the result was a record political collapse of the democrats and a record rejuvenation of the GOP. If you didn't follow along that isn't my problem.

And if the GOP is socialist you would like the GOP.
The usual dodging of a shill who knows that the party's record does not support his wild claims.
The congressional approval number turns out to be predictive of nothing.
Could be. But it's interesting to know that the supermajority has failed to improve the people's views of the Congress.
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Or the statement of a man so comfortable with his position that he enjoys watching his opponent flail helplessly against the tide. Occam's razor. Also look up the word shill, you will find that it applies to you and that it is the opposite of me.

So I've answered your questions perhaps now you can explain why if the GOP is socialist why you don't like them.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Or the statement of a man so comfortable with his position that he enjoys watching his opponent flail helplessly against the tide. Occam's razor. Also look up the word shill, you will find that it applies to you and that it is the opposite of me.

So I've answered your questions perhaps now you can explain why if the GOP is socialist why you don't like them.
It's been a long time since I've heard the, "I am rubber, you are glue" retort.
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If you look up the definition of the word that is the only response available.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Or the statement of a man so comfortable with his position that he enjoys watching his opponent flail helplessly against the tide. Occam's razor. Also look up the word shill, you will find that it applies to you and that it is the opposite of me.
I really don't understand this part of you. You know that you refused to back up your own position. I know that you refused to back up your position. Everybody around here knows that. Maybe you think that your repeated refusal to acknowledge any inconvenient facts amounts to a tactical victory, but that's simply not the case.
So I've answered your questions perhaps now you can explain why if the GOP is socialist why you don't like them.
Dodging is not an answer.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:If you look up the definition of the word that is the only response available.
Mr.P, you certainly act like someone who is paid by the post to shill for the GOP. Ymix posts in depth on a wide variety of topics. You spam the board with content-free braggadocio on only one subject.
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