The eternal US elections - 2016 edition

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never will understand why, options as they were, the Democrats didn't run with Biden.

A Biden win would've secured Obama's legacy for generations.

It was really foolish.
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Honestly we are hearing a lot of that kind of talk but the reality is I think any Democrat would have lost any Republican no matter what this election. The economy sucks so bad.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Honestly we are hearing a lot of that kind of talk but the reality is I think any Democrat would have lost any Republican no matter what this election. The economy sucks so bad.
Right. Not to mention how hard it is for an incumbent party to keep a third term.

Not to mention- well, he's Joe Biden...

but you probably wouldn't have had the President stupidly putting his legacy on the line and telling a Michigan college audience that this election amounted to a referendum on his presidency.
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I'm still stunned that the experts were so blind. Confirmation bias? Self imposed isolation?

I think Nap is right, Obama's self-righteous, condescending lecturing, of those he perceived as low brows, that "my legacy is on the line, and for your own good, you better vote for Hillary" was not a smart move.

Hillary's back up of labeling everyone who did think she was a goddess as a deplorable, was equally stupid. But that is their social circle. They don't know any different.

The night before, when all the MSM, even FOX were pre-broadcasting the meme of the Javit's Center and "the glass ceiling," a little, quiet voice said "You're done. You have tempted Nemesis one too many times."

Who knew the experts were flat Earthers?
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
kmich wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:update on that CNN page: no longer predicting Trump as popular vote winner
:roll:

Whatever. The current popular vote total:

Clinton: 60,828,358
Trump: 60,261,924

Difference of 566,434 for Clinton. Trump leads in Michigan by 12,000 votes. Trump has won the electoral college but not the popular vote.
When I originally posted it, it predicted Trump was projected to be the winner of the popular vote. That changed. It changed sometime after you asking me where it suggested he was predicted to win the popular vote. I decided to update when I noticed the information change.

I wasn't the only one here who saw it.

It used to look like this:

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Which made sense as there were still plenty of areas left for Trump to gain votes. But it was not to be.

That you either didn't see it or didn't know how to navigate the CNN page at the time is not my problem.
And that some people mindlessly accept MSM "projections" without knowing how to critically evaluate data without partisan bias is hardly mine.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Honestly we are hearing a lot of that kind of talk but the reality is I think any Democrat would have lost any Republican no matter what this election. The economy sucks so bad.
Right. Not to mention how hard it is for an incumbent party to keep a third term.

Not to mention- well, he's Joe Biden...

but you probably wouldn't have had the President stupidly putting his legacy on the line and telling a Michigan college audience that this election amounted to a referendum on his presidency.
Choosing Joe Biden was Obama's first "presidential" decision. He chose a bufoon to ensure that he would not have competition or be shown up. That decision circled back around to eradicate his legacy. Perfect.
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Biden has never been an impressive candidate in his 2 previous runs for the nomination. Biden would not have made a difference other than producing more Democratic turnout in predictably blue states which would have changed nothing in the electoral map. Biden is very much a part of the existing Democratic establishment. Biden would have represented a continuation of the Obama administration just like Clinton.

The Democratic establishment represented continuity. The Republican establishment offered the usual, tired stuff they have been serving up for decades. People wanted change for a variety of reasons, and only Trump and Sanders spoke to that. The Democratic establishment was unified enough to pull the rug out from Sanders to nominate Clinton, but the Republican establishment was too conflicted and leaderless to do the same to Trump. A Trump presidency was pretty much inevitable after the conventions.
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