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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:You guys really don't understand how primaries work.
:lol:

So says the legend in his own mind.
Or you guys don't understand how primaries work.

Reagan lost Iowa and went on to be the greatest president in our history.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Everyone here knows that Iowa is not make or break.
Even the always suspect and suspicious foreigners.
Some of us are simply having a laugh at a clown's expense.

Reagan certainly set you well down the road to one of the greatest debts in history.
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Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:You guys really don't understand how primaries work.
:lol:

So says the legend in his own mind.
Or you guys don't understand how primaries work.

Reagan lost Iowa and went on to be the greatest president in our history.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Everyone here knows that Iowa is not make or break.
Some of us are simply having a laugh at a clown's expense.

Reagan certainly set well down the road to one of the greatest debts in history.
but you don't understand how primaries work.

You should ask google: "How one primaries?"

then you should spin in a circle 15 times, no more or less, while thinking really really hard about Ronald Reagan's hairdo.

then you'll start to understand how to primary.
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On the other hand, he does have a point in this. It's one thing to laugh at Trump's expense...and this isn't directed at anyone in particular here....but what exactly is the set up?

That he finished in the exact same spot as Bernie Sanders, 1 delegate behind the guys in front of them.

Yet, the headlines are, "Clinton wins by razor thin margin" and "Trump is soundly defeated by Cruz"

Half the 'Trump is a clown' stuff is a lot of worried people who make their living as professional consultants or media peoples who Trump just showed are not necessary to actually do any of these things.

Why else talk about "ground game" like it was a football or soccer match? There are a lot of people sweating out there that a Trump candidate will expose how useless they are, and how disgusted their cultivated uselessness is.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:You guys really don't understand how primaries work.
:lol:

So says the legend in his own mind.
Or you guys don't understand how primaries work.

Reagan lost Iowa and went on to be the greatest president in our history.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Everyone here knows that Iowa is not make or break.
Some of us are simply having a laugh at a clown's expense.

Reagan certainly set well down the road to one of the greatest debts in history.
but you don't understand how primaries work.

You should ask google: "How one primaries?"

then you should spin in a circle 15 times, no more or less, while thinking really really hard about Ronald Reagan's hairdo.

then you'll start to understand how to primary.
:lol:

I will indeed redouble my effort to reflect more deeply upon Reagan's hairdo.

This may require a pilgrimage to Eihei-ji to meditate.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:On the other hand, he does have a point in this. It's one thing to laugh at Trump's expense...and this isn't directed at anyone in particular here....but what exactly is the set up?

That he finished in the exact same spot as Bernie Sanders, 1 delegate behind the guys in front of them.

Yet, the headlines are, "Clinton wins by razor thin margin" and "Trump is soundly defeated by Cruz"

Half the 'Trump is a clown' stuff is a lot of worried people who make their living as professional consultants or media peoples who Trump just showed are not necessary to actually do any of these things.

Why else talk about "ground game" like it was a football or soccer match? There are a lot of people sweating out there that a Trump candidate will expose how useless they are, and how disgusted their cultivated uselessness is.
Joking aside, it is entirely possible that Trump may yet win the Republicrat nomination.

And yes, I'm loath to find myself laughing at the same thing as the talking head pundits and so-called think tanks policy wonks who support the Republicrat status quo.

The success to-date of the Trump and Sanders candidacies is a clear indication that many people in the US are thoroughly dissatisfied and disenchanted with the status quo of both parties. Understandable, as many in what was the middle class find themselves having been sold down the river.

However, Trump is typical of the narcissistic demagogues that appear during such time offering facile pseudo-solutions to a scared and gullible populace.

He's a multi-millionaire [which apparently makes him a billionaire in his own mind], so he must be knowledgeable, competent, and correct about everything is sadly all too typical of the naiveté one encounters from such people.

Sanders, unlike Trump, gives the impression is that he has a somewhat coherent platform, be it right or wrong.
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Typhoon wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:On the other hand, he does have a point in this. It's one thing to laugh at Trump's expense...and this isn't directed at anyone in particular here....but what exactly is the set up?

That he finished in the exact same spot as Bernie Sanders, 1 delegate behind the guys in front of them.

Yet, the headlines are, "Clinton wins by razor thin margin" and "Trump is soundly defeated by Cruz"

Half the 'Trump is a clown' stuff is a lot of worried people who make their living as professional consultants or media peoples who Trump just showed are not necessary to actually do any of these things.

Why else talk about "ground game" like it was a football or soccer match? There are a lot of people sweating out there that a Trump candidate will expose how useless they are, and how disgusted their cultivated uselessness is.
Joking aside, it is entirely possible that Trump may yet win the Republicrat nomination.

And yes, I'm loath to find myself laughing at the same thing as the talking head pundits and so-called think tanks policy wonks who support the Republicrat status quo.

The success to-date of the Trump and Sanders candidacies is a clear indication that many people in the US are thoroughly dissatisfied and disenchanted with the status quo of both parties. Understandable, as many in what was the middle class find themselves having been sold down the river.

However, Trump is typical of the demagogues that appear during such time offering facile pseudo-solutions to a scared and gullible populace.

He's a multi-millionaire [which apparently makes him a billionaire in his own mind], so he must be right about everything is sadly all too typical of the naiveté one encounters from such people.

Sanders, unlike Trump, gives the impression is that he has a somewhat coherent platform, be it right or wrong.
"FREE STUFF!!" Yeah nothing incoherent about that message
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Never ceases to amaze how well conditioned the US electorate is to act against their own interests.

Now we can all look forward the gig economy.
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Typhoon wrote: Thank you, Captain Obvious. Everyone here knows that Iowa is not make or break.
Even the always suspect and suspicious foreigners.
Some of us are simply having a laugh at a clown's expense.

Reagan certainly set you well down the road to one of the greatest debts in history.
No he didn't. One of the reasons I'm here is you guys need a Captain Obvious.
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Alexis wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:I scream my opinions and preferences at anyone who will listen at any time and you already know what I'll say.
I had understood that your prefered GOP candidate was Trump.

But then in recent posts you seemed to be just as content if Cruz or Rubio was the nominee. So I became a bit confused.

Did I misundertand and are you not in fact a Trump partisan?
My preference is probably Trump Rubio Cruz in that order.

If I was voting in NH I would vote Trump. Down the line maybe I would vote Rubio depending on what happens. It's usually over by the time it gets here.
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Typhoon wrote: Joking aside, it is entirely possible that Trump may yet win the Republicrat nomination.

And yes, I'm loath to find myself laughing at the same thing as the talking head pundits and so-called think tanks policy wonks who support the Republicrat status quo.

The success to-date of the Trump and Sanders candidacies is a clear indication that many people in the US are thoroughly dissatisfied and disenchanted with the status quo of both parties. Understandable, as many in what was the middle class find themselves having been sold down the river.

However, Trump is typical of the narcissistic demagogues that appear during such time offering facile pseudo-solutions to a scared and gullible populace.

He's a multi-millionaire [which apparently makes him a billionaire in his own mind], so he must be knowledgeable, competent, and correct about everything is sadly all too typical of the naiveté one encounters from such people.

Sanders, unlike Trump, gives the impression is that he has a somewhat coherent platform, be it right or wrong.
Not really. Closing the border, negotiating better trade deals, balancing the budget, etc, really don't require Svengali Harvard Democrat flow charts, they just require people willing to do the job.

Nothing facile or Pseudo about it. Nobody is scared or gullible, just disgusted with a government headed straight for a cliff.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Again, as I've stated this multiple times and for some reason my posts are deleted or buried in threads so they can no longer be found, I endorsed Rubio because he has the best chance of winning. I'm deeply pragmatic. I would love it if Rubio was gay, he is apparently a big fan of rap also. If he hits certain radio circuits during the general he could easily rout Hillary. I think the first gay hispanic trumps the first woman who may be a man.

Also, Rubio despite current positioning is a Reagan Republican, and the most conservative "establishment" Republican ever. He would not be considered establishment in any other election. So as it stands, the 3 front runners are all anti-establishment. Big plus. Rubio's big negative is he would probably be a weak executive

My heart is with Trump, because I think he would deliver the most, and may be the only one who has a chance of fending off our certain doom, but he could lose. I give him a 50/50 chance. Rubio is 60/40 at least.

So that is my calculus, again.

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MP, astonished you endorse Rubio .. Would stick to Trump, he leading by wide margin in New Hampshire

BTW:

Bernie Sanders tops Hillary Clinton by 2-to-1 margin in New Hampshire


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Pete Spiliakos at the Postmodern Conservative wrote this today about Rubio and Cruz (Here's some excerpts):

...It looks like it will come down to Cruz and Rubio, so here are some hopefully constructive thoughts about each man:

...Cruz comes across as way too ideological. Cruz is constantly talking about how conservative he is, and how conservative his voters are. Compare Cruz to Bernie Sanders. Sanders talks about being a progressive or a socialist or whatever, but Sanders mostly talks about health care, wages, college affordability, and other issues. Ideological labeling is a smaller part of Sanders’s rhetoric. In this, Sanders is much closer to Reagan than is Cruz. Reagan was a conservative and he didn’t hide from the label, but he mostly spent his time explaining why his ideas worked rather than why they were conservative.

This brings me to Rubio. I should like the guy... But I just can’t stand to listen to people describe Rubio as a uniter of the party’s factions. It just isn’t true. Rubio’s betrayal of his tea-party supporters on immigration lit the fuse on the Trump bomb. When the best-known and most highly regarded of the rebellious, tea-party senators chose to break his own promises on opposing upfront amnesty, it turned all of conventional politics into a joke. It showed that populists could win elections but that Washington elites would still steer the ship...

...We also have to get past this idea that Rubio is a moderate. He isn’t — for better and for worse. Cruz and Rubio are both “conservatives” to the extent that the label has any meaning for the mass of policy issues. But Rubio isn’t really a moderate on immigration either. The Gang of Eight bill that Rubio sponsored was not a compromise. t was an extreme version of what bipartisan Washington elites wanted. It even included an incredibly unpopular expansion of future low-skill immigration. Rubio could have stood up to the extremism of the demands of Washington elites. That doesn’t mean that Rubio had to become another Jeff Sessions. Rubio could have been a force for moderation, but he chose to shiv his own past supporters join the extremists. This alienated millions of Americans (both conservative and “moderate”) who might have rallied to Rubio and a more moderate immigration agenda.

Rubio’s support for Washington-style immigration reform did more to damage the political environment than Cruz’s government shutdowns. The shutdowns are a distant memory, but Trump is still with us. The politics of immigration is more polarized, more hostile, and more stupid than it might have been. But since the people whom he alienated are not geriatric senators, Rubio still has a reputation (in Washington) as the guy who can bring people together.


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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote: Thank you, Captain Obvious. Everyone here knows that Iowa is not make or break.
Even the always suspect and suspicious foreigners.
Some of us are simply having a laugh at a clown's expense.

Reagan certainly set you well down the road to one of the greatest debts in history.
No he didn't. One of the reasons I'm here is you guys need a Captain Obvious.
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Thanks for proving my point.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Pete Spiliakos at the Postmodern Conservative wrote this today about Rubio and Cruz (Here's some excerpts):
That is certainly the anti Rubio narrative.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: MP, astonished you endorse Rubio .. Would stick to Trump, he leading by wide margin in New Hampshire
My heart is with Trump, head with Marco. We'll see.
We can only hope.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Thanks for proving my point.
:lol:

Sure. Black is white. Up is down. Obedience is freedom. Debt is surplus.
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Typhoon wrote:Never ceases to amaze how well conditioned the US electorate is to act against their own interests.

Now we can all look forward the gig economy.
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Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Thanks for proving my point.
:lol:

Sure. Black is white. Up is down. Obedience is freedom. Debt is surplus.
And selection bias is selection bias and always will be.
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I heard recently from someone here that the Democrats were going to disappear (despite a nationwide popular advantage) and that the Republican Party would spit out a Libertarian Party. But with the closest thing to a libertarian (Rand Paul) soundly rejected by Republican voters and the tremendous popularity of progressivism, one has to wonder where are all these libertarians hiding and to which party will the progressives migrate?

Or maybe conservative analysts are completely delusional about the true nature of the American political landscape.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Thanks for proving my point.
:lol:

Sure. Black is white. Up is down. Obedience is freedom. Debt is surplus.
And selection bias is selection bias and always will be.
Sure. An upward trend should be read as a downward trend.
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Typhoon wrote:Never ceases to amaze how well conditioned the US electorate is to act against their own interests.

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Typhoon wrote: Sure. An upward trend should be read as a downward trend.
Selection bias conceals trends, that's why you guys use selection bias.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Typhoon wrote: Sure. An upward trend should be read as a downward trend.
Selection bias conceals trends, that's why you guys use selection bias.
Reagan the debt monger. Sorry the chart and data do not square with your beliefs.
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