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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:But what if Trump wins and becomes POTUS.. with a senate filled with 99,9 enemies..won't they turn him into an unmoving corpse?
The POTUS is not elected on what they can actually accomplish; just on dreams. Elections are a means of dividing and controlling the population into meaningless ideological debate, . . .
A long long time ago, in a country far far away,
reading P. J. O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores was my introduction to US civics.

I've yet to read anything better on the topic especially w.r.t. the POTUS.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett,
Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.

It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business
and big media . They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this
partnership, and it’s in all of their interests to protect one
another. It’s one for all and all for one. It’s a heck of a filthy
relationship that makes everyone filthy rich — everyone except the
American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies.

But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony
capitalists are scared. I’ve never seen them this outraged, this
vicious, this motivated or this coordinated. Never in all my years in
politics have I seen anything like the way the mad dogs of hell have
been unleashed on Donald Trump. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by
politicians of both parties, the media and the biggest corporations of
America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are
all threatened and frightened like never before.

Donald Trump can self-fund that amount tomorrow and still have another
billion left over to pour into the last two-week stretch run before
Election Day.
No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business and
political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually
win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.

It’s no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The
Donald. It’s because most of the other politicians are part of the
“old boys club.” They talk big, but in the end they won’t change a
thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned
by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations
and multinational corporations like Big Pharma or Big Oil. Or they are
owned lock, stock and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns
Obama or foreign governments own Hillary with their Clinton Foundation
donations.

These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned
by big money . But there’s one man — and only one man — who isn’t
beholden to anyone. There’s one man who doesn’t need foreigners, or
foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or
the teachers union, or the Service Employees International Union, or
the bar association to fund his campaign.

Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s
help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care
what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the
entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat. Trump can ruin
everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.

Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama?
Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game,
but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress
holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to defund Obamacare or
Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal
aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?

First, I’d guess many key Republicans are being bribed.
Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed.
Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer
money, the National Security Agency knows everything.Ask former House
Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was
withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account.
Trust me: The NSA, the SEC, the IRS and all the other three-letter
government agencies are watching every Republican political leader.
They know everything.
Thirdly , many Republicans are petrified of being called “racists.” So
they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let
alone demand his impeachment.
Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a
“good boy,” you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting.
The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.

But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this
nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media and big
business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the
presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides —
but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned
Obama’s birth certificate. He questioned Obama’s college records and
how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university.

Now, he’s doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He’s
questioning our relationship with Mexico; questioning why the border
is wide open; questioning why no wall has been built across the
border; questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into
America is in our best interests; questioning why so many illegal
aliens commit violent crimes yet are not deported; and questioning why
our trade dealswith Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.

Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get
the short end of the stick. Good question.

I’m certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion
dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of
Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare
website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion.

Trump will ask if Obamacare’s architects can be charged with fraud for
selling it by lying.
Trump will investigate Obama’s widespread IRS conspiracy, not to
mention Obama’s college records.
Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up
Benghazi before the election.
How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department
when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before
the 2012 election?

Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop this.
They recognize this could get out of control . If left unchecked
telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to
ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant.

Trump’s election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many
crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not
hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at “the cooked books” and
Obama’s records, the game is over. The gig is up. The goose is cooked.
Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama
bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of
customer money.
Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails, or for
accepting bribes from foreign governments while secretary of state, or
for “misplacing” $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or
for lying about Benghazi.
The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be defunded and dismantled. The Obama crime family will
be prosecuted for crimes against the American people. And Obama
himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters.
Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after
everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on
Donald Trump.

Yes, it’s become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right
are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if
possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can’t
silence him. And they sure can’t intimidate him. The more they try,
the more the public will realize that he’s the one telling the truth.
And the left can’t stand that. Don't be surprised if Trump has a heart
attack or an accident...

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Anyone who is against the status quo should be for Trump. You will see many however who have always said they are against the status quo be exposed as some of it's greatest champions. And vote for Hillary Clinton. The personification of everything wrong with US politics, and nothing right.
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Typhoon wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:But what if Trump wins and becomes POTUS.. with a senate filled with 99,9 enemies..won't they turn him into an unmoving corpse?
The POTUS is not elected on what they can actually accomplish; just on dreams. Elections are a means of dividing and controlling the population into meaningless ideological debate, . . .
A long long time ago, in a country far far away,
reading P. J. O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores was my introduction to US civics.

I've yet to read anything better on the topic especially w.r.t. the POTUS.
Should read this one.
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Parodite wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Parodite wrote:But what if Trump wins and becomes POTUS.. with a senate filled with 99,9 enemies..won't they turn him into an unmoving corpse?
The POTUS is not elected on what they can actually accomplish; just on dreams. Elections are a means of dividing and controlling the population into meaningless ideological debate, . . .
A long long time ago, in a country far far away,
reading P. J. O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores was my introduction to US civics.

I've yet to read anything better on the topic especially w.r.t. the POTUS.
Should read this one.
Yes. O'Rourke is a comedic genius.
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Mr. Perfect wrote: You will see many however who have always said they are against the status quo be exposed as some of it's greatest champions. And vote for Hillary Clinton. The personification of everything wrong with US politics, and nothing right.
Mr P,

Yes. In a perfect world, Trump could move some moderate 'Republicans' over to Hillary. This will only happen if Trump gets near the goal though, and there is a way to go yet.

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I'm starting to wonder if Trump is a Hillary operative.
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A Letter to Donald Trump Supporters With One Big Question

Dear Donald Trump Supporters:

You’re fed up. This much I understand. You’re fed up with politicians who say one thing on the campaign trail, like that they’re going to stop illegal immigration, and then do another in Washington; you’re fed up with insiders who rig the system for their benefit at your expense; and you’re fed up with coastal media elites and their insular subculture.

On some level I sympathize. In the last presidential election, I couldn’t bring myself to vote for any of the candidates. I just left it blank. I wanted nothing to do with my awful options.

What I don’t understand is why you think a President Trump would treat us better. If you elect the billionaire, what makes you think that he will use whatever talents that he possesses to address your grievances rather than to benefit himself? After all, he’s a man who has zealously pursued his self-interest all his life.

He’s done so as a developer in New York City, where one must be a connected insider to succeed in real estate. He is himself a member of the media elite: a reality television start who had lucrative relationships with NBC and Univision. When he has a problem with Fox News, he calls Roger Ailes on the phone!

Remember that moment in the Republican debate where he talked about giving money to politicians so that, if he wanted them to do something, they would? Then he was asked, you gave money to Hillary Clinton, so what, exactly, did she do for you? He replied that when he called and told her to come to his wedding, she did. If you were getting married, would you want Hillary Clinton sitting in the front row? While pondering what he wanted his wedding day to be like, he decided he wanted one of the biggest political-establishment insiders in America sitting there as he said ‘I do,’ and you, who hate political insiders, think that he is going to destroy them if elected?

I’m not sure if Trump believes himself to be in the same tribe as the Clintons, or if he invited them to his wedding as part of a Machiavellian strategy for leverage. Isn’t either scenario troubling to you as someone who mistrusts our class of political insiders? Do you think Ben Carson or Rand Paul invited the Clintons to their weddings?

Right now, Trump is telling you all the things you want to hear.

There was a time when his two ex-wives and the many former business partners he has since sued felt the same way. Those relationships didn’t work out very well for them.

Why do you think that you’ll fare better?

“Trump brags about making a lot of money in Atlantic City, then ditching the place as it slid into misery,” Michael Brendan Dougherty observed in The Week. “Believing Trump will bring America back is as foolish as believing he would bring Atlantic City back. Unlike Rubio and Bush, he's a free man—and perfectly willing to walk away and say it was your fault, but that he enjoyed the ride anyway.”

Trump is a billionaire, you say, so he won’t need to pander to special interests––unlike other Republicans, he can ignore the business lobby and stop illegal immigration.

But that makes no sense. Granted, Trump has all the money he’ll ever need, yet that’s been true for decades, and he’s continued to expend a lot of effort to earn still more money. Like other men with significant, diversified business holdings––some of them hotels and golf courses, no less!––a large supply of cheap immigrant labor is in his personal financial interests. If the business elite is for illegal immigration, he is the business elite! And he’ll face the exact same political incentives as every other elected Republican from George W. Bush to John McCain.

Perhaps that would be nothing for you to worry about if he’d spent all his life inveighing against illegal immigration; or if he’d held a lower office, like congressman or senator or governor, in which he’d consistently voted as you’d have wanted on the issue.

Instead you’re just taking him on faith. Why? Does Trump strike you as a person who is unusually inclined to keep his word? Someone who never flip-flops? Come on. I know that you’ve read all the articles about his changing positions over the years.

So I don’t get it.

Why do you trust him of all people to stay your champion? Don’t ask me who is better. I’m not telling you to support any of the other candidates. I don’t know that I will.

I want to know why him?

Trump is a good negotiator, you say, and he’ll get us a better deal with the Chinese. What makes you think that President Trump would be thinking about your interests while he negotiates with the Chinese, and not his own? Are your interests the same as a billionaire with vast real estate holdings in blue states? Trump has made clear that his negotiating prowess relies heavily on leverage: the billions he has, the politicians he has bought, his mastery of U.S. bankruptcy laws, his high-priced lawyers. But foreign leaders aren’t intimidated by his billions; his lawyers can’t sue them into submission; he doesn’t have any Chinese politicians in his pocket; and in negotiations with the Chinese, he’ll have no more and no less leverage than any other American president. And because he is a former realty TV star and beauty pageant owner, one would assume that some foreign leaders won’t even take him seriously. How will that result in a strong America?

I don’t get it, Donald Trump supporters, and I wish you would explain it. You’ll have to persuade some skeptics like me that Trump really is superior to more traditional politicians if the billionaire is going to have a chance in any general election. So try me. My email address is conor@theatlantic.com—I’ll read everything you write, and if a note helps me to understand why you trust Trump to do the right thing in Washington, I’ll publish it even if I disagree with your positions.
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Get cracking on what.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:I'm starting to wonder if Trump is a Hillary operative.
No he's not. Asking this question indicates that you are in a universe further removed than I ever imagined.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Get cracking on what.
Write the guy an email and get published.
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Is Trump a man with a detailed vision and plan for the US? Where is it published so we can talk about more than his hair-do.
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Trump and the Trumpeteers aside for a moment- and this isn't about Trump himself, but what comes after Trump-

isn't there something a bit caesarish to this whole Trump phenomena? Not to hammer on all the cliches here with this sorta thinkin' but

he may not be a good sign- the guys coming after him will have that much more precedence.
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YMix wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Get cracking on what.
Write the guy an email and get published.
Why would I do that.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Trump and the Trumpeteers aside for a moment- and this isn't about Trump himself, but what comes after Trump-

isn't there something a bit caesarish to this whole Trump phenomena? Not to hammer on all the cliches here with this sorta thinkin' but

he may not be a good sign- the guys coming after him will have that much more precedence.
After obama? You must be joking.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Trump and the Trumpeteers aside for a moment- and this isn't about Trump himself, but what comes after Trump-

isn't there something a bit caesarish to this whole Trump phenomena? Not to hammer on all the cliches here with this sorta thinkin' but

he may not be a good sign- the guys coming after him will have that much more precedence.
After obama? You must be joking.
well the President would be apart of it. So would the guys who came before him. Rome wasn't....some period of Rome? :? ...in a day.

It makes a lot more sense then President Obama being some sort of singularity.
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This country needs what Trump is doing. Kicking the necrotic establishment straight in the privates. Kicking their teeth in. Is he the guy I would have picked for it? No, but he's doing it. So you have to give him points.

He is a genuine anti establishment. All the obama voters should be on board.

If every MSM personality and outlet in the country dissolved tomorrow the world would be a much better place. They all should go. Trump is sending them there, that's why they are losing their minds. The parasitic left government media complex needs to be dispatched in one flow of lava, and if Trump is the guy to do it then so be it.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:He is a genuine anti establishment.
That's exactly the question asked by that Atlantic article. How do you know he's "genuine"?
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Just watching him for 30 years.
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Getting rich and mixing with establishment figures? Inviting the Clintons to his wedding?
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You don't make 10 billion by only doing that in 30 years.
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You don't make 10 billion by rejecting the establishment either.
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Trump has been trading bribes with both Dems and Reps. Are there any trustworthy estimates how much money he made thanks to the favors he got in return?
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No there aren't, but it isn't really relevant.

If you listen to trump, he's always been "don't hate the playa, hate the game". Nowadays, I respect that. I should have done that earlier in my life. I may go into that later.

But the ultimate truth of what I'm saying is found in that it is the establishment, left right center who are out to get him more than anyone else. Ask yourself why.
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