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SM, good points. But life is trial and error. To do nothing because one thinks that all alternatives are worse also is an assessment and choice though.

I believe legalizing all drugs is a very good thing to do for obvious reasons. It kills the drug cartels. As with cigarettes and alcohol it can be taxed relatively high though. That money can be used to help addicts detox and rehab. As for slums and unemployment; the common sense approach of investing in education and a basic income for all will help.

Personal responsibility; obviously. But people behave differently under different circumstances. For us it is easy to behave "responsibly"; we are hardly challenged.
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Parodite wrote:SM, good points. But life is trial and error. To do nothing because one thinks that all alternatives are worse also is an assessment and choice though.

I believe legalizing all drugs is a very good thing to do for obvious reasons. It kills the drug cartels. As with cigarettes and alcohol it can be taxed relatively high though. That money can be used to help addicts detox and rehab. As for slums and unemployment; the common sense approach of investing in education and a basic income for all will help.

Personal responsibility; obviously. But people behave differently under different circumstances. For us it is easy to behave "responsibly"; we are hardly challenged.
True nuff. I agree on the legalization of drugs. Oddly enough, all the good reasons to legalize drugs, also apply to not criminalizing firearms. :o :shock:

But with all programs designed to "help" target group "X"...... over time period "T"...... cherry picking data can "clearly" show...... the program is either "net good" or "net bad" for "society."

Definitions are always in flux. You can't get an "ideologue" to perform an "honest" cost benefit analysis.

We're back to addressing the local problems of local culture, with solutions implemented by the locals, cause the rest of us don't know what the hell we are talking about in regards to "their situation."

Paraphrasing an old joke about service to God, "Most people are willing to serve society, but only in an advisory capacity!"

How can I help those dummies who don't recognize my superiority, er, uh, I mean compassion....... and who won't follow my orders, er, uh, I mean my advice?

Especially those who will not sacrifice "their short term" for the "common long term."

:) ;)
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SM, if nuff people agree (a majority usually) that certain things better be dealt with locally... because thinking and deciding for "over there" people is kinda mine field.. lo and behold they can decide on that politically using their votes! ;) 8-)

As for knowing our own motives and intentions.. indeed that is a mine field of its own. Maybe I am just escaping boredom on OTNOT and maybe Trump is a pathological narcissist who never feels any emotion for others! Maybe every personal intention is a mix of many things and no one has the same mix on a single day! Etceteraaaah!! What a mess...

But since certainty is madness anyways... who cares! :shock: Problem with that? Take it up with Gawd Awmighty who created it all. He should at least bear some responsibility and be worthy of our prayers while we grapple in the Dark. Just taking a sun tan in Heaven is not enuff for His Total Selfness.
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Parodite wrote:SM, if nuff people agree (a majority usually) that certain things better be dealt with locally... because thinking and deciding for "over there" people is kinda mine field.. lo and behold they can decide on that politically using their votes! ;) 8-) .
You got it! Or they can donate their own time and money and to fix the problem in order to avoid waiting for the crusaders, saviors, and the "tide of public opinion" to swing in their direction. In the old days they called it community or sweat equity.
Parodite wrote:As for knowing our own motives and intentions.. indeed that is a mine field of its own. Maybe I am just escaping boredom on OTNOT and maybe Trump is a pathological narcissist who never feels any emotion for others! Maybe every personal intention is a mix of many things and no one has the same mix on a single day! Etceteraaaah!! What a mess...
Amen again. The only method I know of discerning (or divining) what Fred projects onto Trump, Obama, any POTUS, or any candidate, is to ask Fred. If they use the term "we" to describe their projections, I assume they realize they have a multiple personality disorder, or they fall into the crusader/salesman camp.
Parodite wrote:But since certainty is madness anyways... who cares! :shock: Problem with that? Take it up with Gawd Awmighty who created it all. He should at least bear some responsibility and be worthy of our prayers while we grapple in the Dark. Just taking a sun tan in Heaven is not enuff for His Total Selfness.
What is the numerical value of probability associated with certainty?

Again I ask, are you sure? ;)

Is it possible that madness is a requirement for equanimity?
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Simple Minded wrote:
Similarly, the solution to computer security, or injury by automobile, motorcycle, horse riding, skiing, hiking, mountain climbing, or air travel is equally apparent.
SM,

You forgot to mention the subject of this thread. Gun crime? - let's talk about hiking. :lol:

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Parodite wrote:Manolo, you like Joe Biden?
I do.

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Gun crime in America is a settled issue. There is nothing left to talk about. Americans support gun rights.

What is new is now that reporters are targets they finally may stop covering the spectacle killings and they will come to an end.
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manolo wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Similarly, the solution to computer security, or injury by automobile, motorcycle, horse riding, skiing, hiking, mountain climbing, or air travel is equally apparent.
SM,

You forgot to mention the subject of this thread. Gun crime? - let's talk about hiking. :lol:

Alex.
Alex,

When hiking boots are outlawed, only outlaws will have hiking boots! ;)

I think you got lost by not cutting and pasting Parodite's last sentence, and my first three sentences in to your reply..... and starting with my fourth sentence.

It's kinda like walking in on the middle of a movie.... unless it's donkey porn...... :shock:
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Mr. Perfect wrote: I can see now why you would never be hired to work in a security detail, at any level.
Mr P,

Your mention of security details is relevant.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/28/us/te ... s-station/

The case of this deputy Sheriff, who was shot in the back of the head whilst refuelling his car, raises the issue of personal security for police officers in public places in the USA. A "security detail" may well have prevented this sad event.

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It may just be easier to have liberals stop whipping up black people into hating cops.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:It may just be easier to have liberals stop whipping up black people into hating cops.
Mr P,

I just read about the 4 marines gunned down.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/te ... -shooting/

It's getting tough over there. :(

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There may be an old "Guns in the US of A" thread, but I can't locate it,

so this is the new one.
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manolo wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:It may just be easier to have liberals stop whipping up black people into hating cops.
Mr P,

I just read about the 4 marines gunned down.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/te ... -shooting/

It's getting tough over there. :(

Alex.
Islamic extremism is a persistent issue isn't it. As well as gun free zones. Some people don't follow those laws it appears.

But don't worry, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than die in a national media shooting.
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Vester Lee Flanagan lamented shortly before gunning down two journalists on live TV that his glory days as a $2,000-a-night male escort were behind him, stunning new documents reveal.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/e ... -1.2342431

In other circumstances, this would be really funny.
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Mr. Perfect wrote: But don't worry, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than die in a national media shooting.
Mr P,

Yes, that's certainly true in this country. However, a Brit was just shot by police somewhere in London. Over here the 'gun' usually turns out to be a replica, not a live firearm.

This may surprise you. I'm often in our local gunshop and a guy was buying a semi automatic rifle and ammunition to take on holiday to Africa. He said that it's fine to stow the gun on a tourist flight as long as he tells the pilot. I'm fascinated by unexpected facts like this.

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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

~The Onion
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Folks,

Sad news from Oregon.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/or ... -shooting/

Maybe the time is coming when the US starts to think about homeland security. :(

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I'm sorry, but on any sort of national level, these things are actually rather irrelevant.

As has been pointed out, these types of fatalities are statistically insignificant. There were more than ten times as many people that died last year due to adverse drug reactions when taken as prescribed. That's right, not abuse, but as prescribed. Fun fact: the AR15, Ak and all other assault rifles are massively safer than your local hospital. If we were serious about ending most gun violence, we would decriminalized drugs.

The only reason this stuff even gets political attention is because the left in the US wants to emotionally manipulate the easily malleable into cheering for their team.
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Demon of Undoing wrote:I'm sorry, but on any sort of national level, these things are actually rather irrelevant.

As has been pointed out, these types of fatalities are statistically insignificant. There were more than ten times as many people that died last year due to adverse drug reactions when taken as prescribed. That's right, not abuse, but as prescribed. Fun fact: the AR15, Ak and all other assault rifles are massively safer than your local hospital. If we were serious about ending most gun violence, we would decriminalized drugs.

The only reason this stuff even gets political attention is because the left in the US wants to emotionally manipulate the easily malleable into cheering for their team.
Demon,

I was quite interested in your argument until the last sentence. Guess I was being 'emotionally manipulated'. :)

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A pleasure to hear from you again DoU.
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manolo wrote:
Demon of Undoing wrote:I'm sorry, but on any sort of national level, these things are actually rather irrelevant.

As has been pointed out, these types of fatalities are statistically insignificant. There were more than ten times as many people that died last year due to adverse drug reactions when taken as prescribed. That's right, not abuse, but as prescribed. Fun fact: the AR15, Ak and all other assault rifles are massively safer than your local hospital. If we were serious about ending most gun violence, we would decriminalized drugs.

The only reason this stuff even gets political attention is because the left in the US wants to emotionally manipulate the easily malleable into cheering for their team.
Demon,

I was quite interested in your argument until the last sentence. Guess I was being 'emotionally manipulated'. :)

Alex.
Alex,

You should take great "emotional" comfort in that 3000 mile wide moat between you and the crazies.

If you ever come over here, just stay out of the two dozen or so areas that skew the curve for the whole nation.

Some say that's where "they" make the crazies live and then take the guns away from them.

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Demon,

Fact. A biker friend of mine (many moons) went over to the USA to look up some relatives. He was not out of the airport (NYC) more than 2 hours when he was in a bar and unfortunately it turned ugly and he was shot in the 'ass'. We (his friends) all thought this quite funny as he had been an obsessive about this US thing and even made up a fake American accent. He came back with his tail between his legs and was easier company after that. He lost the accent.

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Typhoon wrote:A pleasure to hear from you again DoU.
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Esteemed Typhoon

Seconded.
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manolo wrote:Demon,

Fact. A biker friend of mine (many moons) went over to the USA to look up some relatives. He was not out of the airport (NYC) more than 2 hours when he was in a bar and unfortunately it turned ugly and he was shot in the 'ass'. We (his friends) all thought this quite funny as he had been an obsessive about this US thing and even made up a fake American accent. He came back with his tail between his legs and was easier company after that. He lost the accent.

Alex.
Alex,

The US Department of Tourism made a video travel guide for you Brits who want to tour the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP_iqf9x278

Damn shame your buddy didn't watch it before coming over.

Off the record, parts of NYC, Detroit, DC, Chicago, Baltimore, etc. are kinda like giant, free range, insane asylums our elites have set up for some of the more problem prone/emotionally unstable Merikans.

Remember when you acted up as a child and your mother isolated you in your room fer a spell? Same principle! ;)
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