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Mr. Perfect wrote:Everyone and I mean everyone across the spectrum is hopelessly compromised with ties or alliances of convenience with some horror state like Cuba, China, Iran, Saudi, or in obama's case isis so the moralizing needs to be taken down a peg or two. Realpolitik dictates Russia. Is Russia a shambles? Sure, but most of the developed world is bankrupt so hardly a disqualifier. It will be an alliance unlike we've seen in some time. Almost something out of star trek. 2 totally foreign cultures naturally allying. Perhaps ymix could give us some parallels.
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Tillerson offers ultimatum to Russia after meeting with top foreign diplomats on sidelines of G7 summit

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson issued a stern ultimatum to Russia Tuesday: side with America and its allies on Syria, or stand alongside Syrian President Bashar Assad, Iran and the militant group Hezbollah.

"We want to relieve the suffering of the Syrian people. Russia can be a part of that future and play an important role," Tillerson added in remarks to reporters following urgent meetings in Italy with top diplomats. "Or Russia can maintain its alliance with this group, which we believe is not going to serve Russia's interests longer term.

"We cannot let this happen again," he added.

The meeting of “likeminded” countries was arranged on the sidelines of the summit of the Group of 7 industrialized economies days after the U.S. launched airstrikes against Assad’s forces, and hours before Tillerson is scheduled to make a tense trip to Moscow to pressure Russia’s leaders to end their support for Assad.

Tillerson said it was unclear whether Russia had failed to take seriously its obligation to rid Syria of chemical weapons, or had merely been incompetent. But he said the distinction "doesn't much matter to the dead."

"It is clear to all of us that the reign of the Assad family is coming to an end," he said. "But the question of how that ends and the transition itself could be very important in our view to the durability, the stability inside of a unified Syria."

In addition to G-7 countries, diplomats at the summit are attending from Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and others. The inclusion of the countries is important because the U.S. strategy for Syria involves enlisting help from Middle East nations to ensure security and stability in Syria after ISIS is defeated.
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YMix wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Everyone and I mean everyone across the spectrum is hopelessly compromised with ties or alliances of convenience with some horror state like Cuba, China, Iran, Saudi, or in obama's case isis so the moralizing needs to be taken down a peg or two. Realpolitik dictates Russia. Is Russia a shambles? Sure, but most of the developed world is bankrupt so hardly a disqualifier. It will be an alliance unlike we've seen in some time. Almost something out of star trek. 2 totally foreign cultures naturally allying. Perhaps ymix could give us some parallels.
An alliance for the ages.
Tillerson offers ultimatum to Russia after meeting with top foreign diplomats on sidelines of G7 summit

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson issued a stern ultimatum to Russia Tuesday: side with America and its allies on Syria, or stand alongside Syrian President Bashar Assad, Iran and the militant group Hezbollah.

"We want to relieve the suffering of the Syrian people. Russia can be a part of that future and play an important role," Tillerson added in remarks to reporters following urgent meetings in Italy with top diplomats. "Or Russia can maintain its alliance with this group, which we believe is not going to serve Russia's interests longer term.

"We cannot let this happen again," he added.

The meeting of “likeminded” countries was arranged on the sidelines of the summit of the Group of 7 industrialized economies days after the U.S. launched airstrikes against Assad’s forces, and hours before Tillerson is scheduled to make a tense trip to Moscow to pressure Russia’s leaders to end their support for Assad.

Tillerson said it was unclear whether Russia had failed to take seriously its obligation to rid Syria of chemical weapons, or had merely been incompetent. But he said the distinction "doesn't much matter to the dead."

"It is clear to all of us that the reign of the Assad family is coming to an end," he said. "But the question of how that ends and the transition itself could be very important in our view to the durability, the stability inside of a unified Syria."

In addition to G-7 countries, diplomats at the summit are attending from Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and others. The inclusion of the countries is important because the U.S. strategy for Syria involves enlisting help from Middle East nations to ensure security and stability in Syria after ISIS is defeated.
Trump has allied with Saudi Arabia against Russia. The alt-Rats are abandoning ship.
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Folks .. all sign point to : ‘chemical attack’ was false flag to set up Assad

Now pretty much clear


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04 ... s-justify/

http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... re-coming/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-says ... l-weapons/

Speaking at a joint press conference with his Italian counterpart, Sergio Mattarella, in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said Washington invaded Iraq following false allegations that it possessed chemical weapons.

“Then the US representative at the UN Security Council showed alleged chemical weapons found in Iraq,” he said, adding that the military intervention “ended with the country's destruction, with the growth of the terrorist threat and the appearance of the ... [Daesh terrorist group] on the international stage, no more, no less.”

Well, folks .. remember Powell in UN ? ? .. remember BiBi giving Guaranty in congress re Iraq .. remember daughter of Kuwaiti D.C. Ambassador testifying in senate (pretending to be a Kuwaiti refugee - not saying she daughter of the Ambassador) crying that Saddam's soldiers were taking babies out of incubators and throwing out of window ? ?

Remember all the above ?

That same BS now fed to Joe, again.

:lol:

Poor Joe

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Lol so is Trump a Putin puppet or not.
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YMix wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Everyone and I mean everyone across the spectrum is hopelessly compromised with ties or alliances of convenience with some horror state like Cuba, China, Iran, Saudi, or in obama's case isis so the moralizing needs to be taken down a peg or two. Realpolitik dictates Russia. Is Russia a shambles? Sure, but most of the developed world is bankrupt so hardly a disqualifier. It will be an alliance unlike we've seen in some time. Almost something out of star trek. 2 totally foreign cultures naturally allying. Perhaps ymix could give us some parallels.
An alliance for the ages.
Tillerson offers ultimatum to Russia after meeting with top foreign diplomats on sidelines of G7 summit

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson issued a stern ultimatum to Russia Tuesday: side with America and its allies on Syria, or stand alongside Syrian President Bashar Assad, Iran and the militant group Hezbollah.

"We want to relieve the suffering of the Syrian people. Russia can be a part of that future and play an important role," Tillerson added in remarks to reporters following urgent meetings in Italy with top diplomats. "Or Russia can maintain its alliance with this group, which we believe is not going to serve Russia's interests longer term.

"We cannot let this happen again," he added.

The meeting of “likeminded” countries was arranged on the sidelines of the summit of the Group of 7 industrialized economies days after the U.S. launched airstrikes against Assad’s forces, and hours before Tillerson is scheduled to make a tense trip to Moscow to pressure Russia’s leaders to end their support for Assad.

Tillerson said it was unclear whether Russia had failed to take seriously its obligation to rid Syria of chemical weapons, or had merely been incompetent. But he said the distinction "doesn't much matter to the dead."

"It is clear to all of us that the reign of the Assad family is coming to an end," he said. "But the question of how that ends and the transition itself could be very important in our view to the durability, the stability inside of a unified Syria."

In addition to G-7 countries, diplomats at the summit are attending from Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and others. The inclusion of the countries is important because the U.S. strategy for Syria involves enlisting help from Middle East nations to ensure security and stability in Syria after ISIS is defeated.
Trump has allied with Saudi Arabia against Russia. The alt-Rats are abandoning ship.
So is Trump a Putin puppet or not.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Lol so is Trump a Putin puppet or not.
He is somebody's puppet, hence the sudden reversal.
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Entering a new dark age
Journalism faces a crisis worldwide



:lol: .. the "smartass" thought they too smart .. corrupting media, buying media .. wiping out those in media who were reporting the truth and real issues, replacing with bought media who fed Joe with "establishment and special interest" rubbish .. inventing, spinning, omitting key events .. good journalist (she was Syrian) quit or were pushed out

Joe desensitized, looking at media as "fake news", rightly so .. Fox News now American "Pravda"


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Lol, NYT/WP/USAtoday, said Clinton would win, 92%, Trump on Russian payroll, will be impeached soon, you swallowed it whole. This been going on since WWI Azari, you picked the wrong side.
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If everyone wants to catch their breath, as Doc said a strike is not an invasion or occupation. Using chemical weapons is against leftist international law and it is understandable that a sitting President with a conscience would want to respond to it, whether it is the most sensible or not.

OTOH, NK is a zit long overdue for popping, as is the Iranian regime, and Trump will get done what 3 other Presidents failed to do. Trump is cleaning up the mess.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:.

Lol, NYT/WP/USAtoday, said Clinton would win, 92%, Trump on Russian payroll, will be impeached soon, you swallowed it whole. This been going on since WWI Azari, you picked the wrong side.

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Which side is the RIGHT side, MP ?

Again asking, which papers, media, should I read ?

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Mr. Perfect wrote:.

If everyone wants to catch their breath, as Doc said a strike is not an invasion or occupation. Using chemical weapons is against leftist international law and it is understandable that a sitting President with a conscience would want to respond to it, whether it is the most sensible or not.

OTOH, NK is a zit long overdue for popping, as is the Iranian regime, and Trump will get done what 3 other Presidents failed to do. Trump is cleaning up the mess.

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mad mullahs leaning back since Carter .. they derailed 6 US presidents : Jimmy, RR, Bush, Bill, Bush, Obama .. why you think Trump be an exception ? .. Am sure mad mullahs still in place by the time Donald exits.

Chemical attack ? ? come on , MP .. that in Syria was staged, never happened .. but .. what happened is you guys delivered chemical weapon to Saddam to gas Iranians, that happened, and not only you guys did not protest, but blocked UN to condemn it .. so, that argument FAKE.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Which side is the RIGHT side, MP ?

Again asking, which papers, media, should I read ?

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Lol, already told you, for you, you need to start with Jimmy Dore.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: mad mullahs leaning back since Carter .. they derailed 6 US presidents : Jimmy, RR, Bush, Bill, Bush, Obama
Lol, not the didn't. Iran is an irrelevant nation much like North Korea, outside of being annoying crazy people toying with nukes. Zit about to be popped.
.. why you think Trump be an exception ? .. Am sure mad mullahs still in place by the time Donald exits.
I think you meant to say outlasted, Castro outlasted many Presidents, but Cuba still hellhole. US does not base system around leaders who are around 50 years. We didn't need that to get to #1.
Chemical attack ? ? come on , MP .. that in Syria was staged, never happened .. but .. what happened is you guys delivered chemical weapon to Saddam to gas Iranians, that happened, and not only you guys did not protest, but blocked UN to condemn it .. so, that argument FAKE.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Which side is the RIGHT side, MP ?

Again asking, which papers, media, should I read ?

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Lol, already told you, for you, you need to start with Jimmy Dore.

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My apology , true, you mentioned Jimmy Dore

Hmmmm .. don't read "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" but listen and read "Jimmy Dore."

Self Explanatory :D


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Yes, you would learn a lot from Jimmy Dore.
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