Why is liberal democracy losing its appeal ?

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Why are pro-Putin parties surging in Europe ?


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Donald Trump’s victory represented a rejection of Barack Obama’s America. And whether he succeeds, what is there to cause America to look back with nostalgia on the America Obama came to represent?

Our Founding Fathers believed that democracy represented the degeneration of a republic; they feared and loathed it, and felt that it was the precursor of dictatorship. They may have been right again.

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Hmmmmm


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Putin is an anti globalist. So naturally other anti globalists feel warmly to him. It's not really a problem.
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one world progressives are losing faith in democracy as its traditional nationalist flavour re-asserts itself.


its amusing to see countries voting for themselves being expressed as failings in democracy - oh the horror, people want a bit of stability in times of rapid change.
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Brand X democracy is a threat to Brand Y democracy?

People pursuing self-governance is a threat to "OUR" idea of how "THEY" should be running their lives!

The horror! But not exactly news now is it?
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Why? Institutions are failing because they are not server the people they are supposed to serve. They are failing because of cronyism. In this case globalist cronyism.In the EU they tried to force the union by writing a 5,000 pages constitution In the name of "free trade" They micromanaged trade. instead of letting their union grow over time they force the constitution down the throats of their citizens . As if they were all knowing gods.

In the US special interests have been using institutions to divided people into groups in order to play one group off the other as a means of control. That has been sped up by magnitudes by Obama.

Without institutions that people trust democracies turn into banana republics.
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Doc wrote:Why? Institutions are failing because they are not server the people they are supposed to serve.
What institutions are failing? And who are they supposed to serve? America's cultural institutions have always been largely limited to whites, who have viciously opposed their expansion to "other people". This was plainly evident during the Obama administration when deep-seated cultural anxiety boiled over because those "other people" suddenly became more visible.
They are failing because of cronyism.
If government institutions are failing, the GOP has certainly had a hand in that. When your party's thesis is that government doesn't work, it's all too easy to throw sand in the gears to "prove" a point.
In this case globalist cronyism.
This is incoherent nonsense. If you want to see cronyism at work, look no further than the inbound Trump administration.
In the EU they tried to force the union by writing a 5,000 pages constitution In the name of "free trade" They micromanaged trade. instead of letting their union grow over time they force the constitution down the throats of their citizens . As if they were all knowing gods.
You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until the Trump administration starts handing out favors to their favored corporate cronies.
In the US special interests have been using institutions to divided people into groups in order to play one group off the other as a means of control. That has been sped up by magnitudes by Obama.
Yeah, sure, whatever. Wedge issues were pioneered by the GOP.
Without institutions that people trust democracies turn into banana republics.
Thanks to the ignorance of the Trump voter, . . .
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Zack Morris wrote:And who are they supposed to serve? America's cultural institutions have always been largely limited to whites, who have viciously opposed their expansion to "other people". This was plainly evident during the Obama administration when deep-seated cultural anxiety boiled over because those "other people" suddenly became more visible.



Though it's hard to think of a "person of colour" who invented anything with moving parts, in professional sports and pop music they are vastly over-represented, and have been since at least the time of Nixon.


But it's true, they're in the headlines a lot what with riots inspired by hate groups like Black Lives Matter.

And academics and journalists and people like you talked about race and racism every day because apart from global warming, nothing else was happening in the world and there was nothing else to talk about.
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Though it's hard to think of a "person of colour" who invented anything with moving parts, in professional sports and pop music they are vastly over-represented, and have been since at least the time of Nixon.
Traffic light and dental drill are two everyday items invented by African-Americans. Certainly there is other technical stuff too.
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Thanks, Nonc. I was sure there was something.


But I was really hoping to bait Zack. I love it when he starts talking about evil.
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The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
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The EX-"Communist & Liberals", rebranded now as NEOCONS, consider "Liberal Democracy" a CONSPIRACY .. a conspiracy same as Communism

Well, folks, that is what Plato in "Republic" said .. that is also what Nietzsche and Wagner mean in "Götterdämmerung" .. the good G_DS taken over by bad G_D.

Issue not whether above true, issue only whom to blame

Well, :lol:

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Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
yes, everyone wants to move to latin america, the anglosphere is a corrupt place full of ghettos of entrenched racism.
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Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
We certainly did have Democrat slave owners.

And and why would coloreds pour into a fundamentally evil racist country.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


The EX-"Communist & Liberals", rebranded now as NEOCONS, consider "Liberal Democracy" a CONSPIRACY .. a conspiracy same as Communism

Well, folks, that is what Plato in "Republic" said .. that is also what Nietzsche and Wagner mean in "Götterdämmerung" .. the good G_DS taken over by bad G_D.

Issue not whether above true, issue only whom to blame

Well, :lol:

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let me guess.

Pomegranates promoting nazi propoganda ?
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Just watched John Kerry on Charlie Rose. I now know the answer to the question. ==>Having leaders that are incredible a$$es
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noddy wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
yes, everyone wants to move to latin america, the anglosphere is a corrupt place full of ghettos of entrenched racism.
Right. The wall will keep them from accidentally wandering into a bad neighbor hood and becoming trapped. Kinda like a fence to protect your neighbors from your mean dogs.
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Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
yes, everyone wants to move to latin america, the anglosphere is a corrupt place full of ghettos of entrenched racism.
Right. The wall will keep them from accidentally wandering into a bad neighbor hood and becoming trapped. Kinda like a fence to protect your neighbors from your mean dogs.
genius,

no wonder they want to pay for it.
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Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
And yet, one hundred years ago, people were emigrating to the USA in droves in search of a better life and opportunities.

Why? Because most other places on the planet were sh*tholes of suffering by comparison.

One hundred years ago, civilized Europe was engaged in the mass slaughter known as WWI
arising from disputes between overly inbred so-called royal families.
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Anyways, the discussion is about the current state of affairs, not the past.
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noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
yes, everyone wants to move to latin america, the anglosphere is a corrupt place full of ghettos of entrenched racism.
Right. The wall will keep them from accidentally wandering into a bad neighbor hood and becoming trapped. Kinda like a fence to protect your neighbors from your mean dogs.
genius,

no wonder they want to pay for it.
Yep. The non-racists over there want the wall, but the racists over here don't want the wall. Same with Canada.
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Zack Morris wrote:
Doc wrote:Why? Institutions are failing because they are not server the people they are supposed to serve.
What institutions are failing? And who are they supposed to serve? America's cultural institutions have always been largely limited to whites, who have viciously opposed their expansion to "other people". This was plainly evident during the Obama administration when deep-seated cultural anxiety boiled over because those "other people" suddenly became more visible.
State Dept IRS FBI at the very least due to public corruption on the part of the Obama Admin.
They are failing because of cronyism.
If government institutions are failing, the GOP has certainly had a hand in that. When your party's thesis is that government doesn't work, it's all too easy to throw sand in the gears to "prove" a point.
Even easier and more profitable to rip the gears out of the lives of people, if you are a socialist. All you have to do is keep the pyramid scheme called government(in the left wing sense) growing.
In this case globalist cronyism.
This is incoherent nonsense. If you want to see cronyism at work, look no further than the inbound Trump administration.
If my answer was incoherent nonsense yours is in all certainty deep loonie left. In fact it is inherent. Trump has of yet not taken office. Let me guess your bree went bad in your fridge and you think the Russians did it by hacking your fridge at Trump behest.
In the EU they tried to force the union by writing a 5,000 pages constitution In the name of "free trade" They micromanaged trade. instead of letting their union grow over time they force the constitution down the throats of their citizens . As if they were all knowing gods.
You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until the Trump administration starts handing out favors to their favored corporate cronies.
Obama has done plenty of that The Democrats have a very long history of doing that.
In the US special interests have been using institutions to divided people into groups in order to play one group off the other as a means of control. That has been sped up by magnitudes by Obama.
Yeah, sure, whatever. Wedge issues were pioneered by the GOP.
The Democrats started with inner city black folks and have been trying to expand out from there. How did that work out in this just past election?
Without institutions that people trust democracies turn into banana republics.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The bottom line is that American culture was fundamentally evil before the advent of emancipation and mass immigration because all the lip service to noble ideals was never intended to extend beyond land-owning Anglo-Saxons. It wasn't until coloreds poured in -- and that includes European "non-whites", as they were considered, from Eastern and Southern Europe -- that these ideals were co-opted, put to the test, and made universal. The United States is certainly a better nation today than it was one hundred years ago.
We certainly did have Democrat slave owners.

And and why would coloreds pour into a fundamentally evil racist country.
Why are Filipinos, Bangladeshis, and Indians pouring into Dubai and Saudi Arabia? Because these are inherently better, freer societies? DERRRR.

Don't mistake economic opportunity in frontier markets for moral enlightenment. Inherent Anglo-Saxon retrograde tendencies only began to be suppressed in the US and Canada ca. mid-century. Chinese and others who poured into the US in the late 19th century certainly did not arrive for political reasons. They came to make money in harsh circumstances and had few illusions about assimilation and acceptance into what was a violently hostile culture.
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Zack Morris wrote: Why are Filipinos, Bangladeshis, and Indians pouring into Dubai and Saudi Arabia? Because these are inherently better, freer societies? DERRRR.

Don't mistake economic opportunity in frontier markets for moral enlightenment. Inherent Anglo-Saxon retrograde tendencies only began to be suppressed in the US and Canada ca. mid-century. Chinese and others who poured into the US in the late 19th century certainly did not arrive for political reasons. They came to make money in harsh circumstances and had few illusions about assimilation and acceptance into what was a violently hostile culture.
How would you know any of that.
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America is be becoming great again.
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