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noddy wrote:"Sundar Pichai, CEO, Google" has a degree in metallurgy engineering, he is the same type of "mechanics" engineer you laughed at earlier, he then became a product manager for google, managing teams of programmers.

id say he has a good head for business and is good at motivating teams, advanced science is not his thing.
I'd say something similiar for Sheryl Sandburg, however begrudgingly..... ;)

Reading eyewitness accounts of Facebook portrays a rudderless-panic of a company that was bound to be eaten alive without her.
yeh, right place right time for them, suceeded despite themselves almost it seems.
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[In a general sense and not a comment on Azari's specific content] It's not even about the immigrants or their nationality; it's being fleeced socially and financially and only being met with these patronizing answers that are clearly post-hoc rationalizations for why we should be fleeced in the first place.

...it's a big problem when 50% of the affirmative action money intended to help African-American students is going to immigrants, many of them from upper and middle class backgrounds.

...it's a big problem when state schools are laundering money through overseas schemes of student exchanges

...it's a big problem when American are increasingly required to go into debt for what amounts to vocational certification and then are shut out by cheap labor through the abuse of HB-1 visas. The corollary effect is that, as all of human history attests, little ethnic fiefdoms in these vocations.

...it's a big problem down the road when you fail to cultivate your own bourgeosie for the small professional-managerial strata but seek to breed scores of aspirants so you can replicate the social stratification of central Europe in the interwar years.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:.
noddy wrote:.

"Sundar Pichai, CEO, Google" has a degree in metallurgy engineering, he is the same type of "mechanics" engineer you laughed at earlier, he then became a product manager for google, managing teams of programmers.

id say he has a good head for business and is good at motivating teams, advanced science is not his thing.
I'd say something similiar for Sheryl Sandburg, however begrudgingly..... ;)

Reading eyewitness accounts of Facebook portrays a rudderless-panic of a company that was bound to be eaten alive without her.

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Those sitting @ the table with Trump, non is a scientist, let alone top notch world class scientist .. Amazon guy is Goldman Sachs guy, Google guy got the idea from Italian scientist Massimo Marchiori (he just executed it), and Sheryl Sandburg has zero qualification for anything (she sitting there only because she from that "Tribe").


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Re Indian top talent, "Sundar Pichai, CEO, Google" , that is what CS brought up .. as said, Indians hard working, but have not seen any Einsteins and world shattering stuff from them, YET.


Trump "naively" thinks Sheryl Sandburg and Jeff Bezos type of people make America great .. what will make America great will be "Patents" for earth shattering inventions and technology .. and .. that is where Iranian top talent come into play, their type of people have the capacity to make America great again and not Sheryl Sandburg.

Look who is Trump key advisors .. Jared Kushner, an illiterate socialite from NY jewish real estate con artists gang (proud having borrowed from Israeli Diamond gang millions to buy NY towers and now feeling rich), Ivanaka only capital being blond top of the advisor to Donald (in Berlin they laughed her out) .. no wonder things straight down

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Patents only get you in the door. You still have to sell the product.

And frankly, the way patent system has been working lately, you have giant corporations monopolizing patents (as they have enough money for lawfare) and other, little predators, patent-trolls and parasites who are increasingly making it difficult for your idealize creator to receive acclaim for his product.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:.

Patents only get you in the door. You still have to sell the product.

And frankly, the way patent system has been working lately, you have giant corporations monopolizing patents (as they have enough money for lawfare) and other, little predators, patent-trolls and parasites who are increasingly making it difficult for your idealize creator to receive acclaim for his product.

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Absolutely true, very much so

Corporation have the big money, the means for facilities for developing those patents .. that is why top talent comes to US

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I get it. Smart Iranians do not want to live in Iran.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:.

Patents only get you in the door. You still have to sell the product.

And frankly, the way patent system has been working lately, you have giant corporations monopolizing patents (as they have enough money for lawfare) and other, little predators, patent-trolls and parasites who are increasingly making it difficult for your idealize creator to receive acclaim for his product.

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Absolutely true, very much so

Corporation have the big money, the means for facilities for developing those patents .. that is why top talent comes to US

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Which is understandable, but so what? The world is not a playpen for the (self-describing) cognitive elite.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:I get it. Smart Iranians do not want to live in Iran.
Yes, Grasshopper. I think that is what Azari is trying to get across. They either leave Iran, or they flee to remote mountain villages. The latter are similar to SimpleMindStanders. ;)

Either that, or it is just more Aryan preaching about how they are the master race.

The real question is why don't they go back? :?
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noddy wrote:more correctly

you told people they were stupid and they needed iranians, so they responded in kind.
Aryans..... they're all like that. :P
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noddy wrote:.

more correctly

you told people they were stupid and they needed iranians, so they responded in kind.

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Never said people stupid, did I badmouth our beloved U.S.of A. ? ? .. in contrary, love America .. that is why fighting 2B and stay friends.

Culprit here is Mosche .. he mudding the waters to fish .. look noddy, this POS Jonathan Pollard, gives the most secret Navy top top secrets to Russians via Israel, and ? ? he walking American streets free, and laughing @ Joe .. but, that Iranian-American is put in Jail because he supposedly was in "junkyard" trying to "smuggle" a tire for F-14, a plain built 50 yrs ago. :lol:

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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Patents only get you in the door. You still have to sell the product.

And frankly, the way patent system has been working lately, you have giant corporations monopolizing patents (as they have enough money for lawfare) and other, little predators, patent-trolls and parasites who are increasingly making it difficult for your idealize creator to receive acclaim for his product.
none of this matters anyway, their is absolutely no truth in any of the claims or dogma in terms of actual outcomes on the planet right now, people still go on and on about blah blah inventions and industry like its 100 years ago.

the only countries which dont have high standards of living and good lifestyles are the corrupt ones, everyone else lives pretty good - for all that americans love to bang on about being richer than the rest of us it hasnt been true since the 1950's and irrelevant nothing little countries like new zealand live better than anyone and they havent invented jack squiddly do.

its very funny how somehow globalisation and world trade become irrelevant , i care not if i buy my mobile phone off a south korean, a japanese or an american and they care not about where i live, they just want to sell me product at a price i can afford.

why is it open borders and immigration one minute and closed borders and protected trade the next, the entire premise is not based in reality.


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this is not a map of the most inventive countries having the highest GDP per person, the realworld factors are low corruption or low population density and levels of modernisation.

only japan and germany really fit the hypothetical model of superiority and woopity doo, they dont live any better than the rest of us because of it.

immigration is a one way trip to having ghettos and environmental degradation, its built in to the premise of people leaving bad places to move to nice ones until equilibrium is found and they are equally crap.
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Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:more correctly

you told people they were stupid and they needed iranians, so they responded in kind.
Aryans..... they're all like that. :P
yeh, those pesky northern indians have been claiming they are better than everyone else and splitting off to form new colonies since civilisation began.
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noddy wrote: none of this matters anyway, their is absolutely no truth in any of the claims or dogma in terms of actual outcomes on the planet right now, people still go on and on about blah blah inventions and industry like its 100 years ago...
Right.

The biggest blight remains a perennial one: poor social organization- something hard to craft and harder to come by.

All the money in the world won't fix it and practices like "patent trolling" are signs of deterioration.
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maybe.

the problem being that patent trolling is not a clear cut scenario.

apple is the best example of that perspective dissonance - some folks thing they truly have innovated in the business of organizing computer interfaces and deserve to protect that research, others think they havent dont much towards innovating computers technically and shouldnt have any protection at all.

the other side of this being that the tax incentives and government policies that make a country like america more innovator friendly than socialist countries like mine is that the average family doesnt benefit much from these industries anyway.

they are all globalised companies, they employ relatively handful of technical people and all the production is automated or borderline slave labour in china.

its only in the d1ckwaving contests that apple being an american company is even relevant, they might as well be a chinese company , or an irish one.
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noddy wrote:maybe.

the problem being that patent trolling is not a clear cut scenario.

apple is the best example of that perspective dissonance - some folks thing they truly have innovated in the business of organizing computer interfaces and deserve to protect that research, others think they havent dont much towards innovating computers technically and shouldnt have any protection at all.

the other side of this being that the tax incentives and government policies that make a country like america more innovator friendly than socialist countries like mine is that the average family doesnt benefit much from these industries anyway.

they are all globalised companies, they employ relatively handful of technical people and all the production is automated or borderline slave labour in china.

its only in the d1ckwaving contests that apple being an american company is even relevant, they might as well be a chinese company , or an irish one.
No there isn't a clear cut scenario...

...the azari position is that in order to stay competitive, we need the smartest minds and that increasingly, the economy is run (or should be run) by those who have the best ideas.

I want to point out that the patent system isn't an independent measuring index which awards teams when they score a goal. Like anything else, it can be manipulated to serve the interests of those who don't have the best ideas or don't represent the imagined cognitive elite.

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The bottom line is a disagreement on how our intellect innovates in the real world.

Is it sort of like weightlifting where there is a visible hierarchy where we can separate and identify those at the top (the ones with good genes, habits and training) and the more of the "top of the top" we identify and mobilize, the greater we achieve?

I argue no, largely. I don't think intellectual "horsepower" is all that special, even when we are able to distinguish it. There are scores and scores and scores of people who are bright enough to handle X work or invent Y or handle Z. Those moments of breakthrough, real and imagined, are "right time" sort of events.

In a country with 300+ million people, and an advanced infrastructure; we are not suffering a lack of brainpower....and a "global" pursuit of talent become primarily a political or ideological activity that we cannot presume even attracts the best of the best.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:.
noddy wrote:.

maybe.

the problem being that patent trolling is not a clear cut scenario.

apple is the best example of that perspective dissonance - some folks thing they truly have innovated in the business of organizing computer interfaces and deserve to protect that research, others think they havent dont much towards innovating computers technically and shouldnt have any protection at all.

the other side of this being that the tax incentives and government policies that make a country like america more innovator friendly than socialist countries like mine is that the average family doesnt benefit much from these industries anyway.

they are all globalised companies, they employ relatively handful of technical people and all the production is automated or borderline slave labour in china.

its only in the d1ckwaving contests that apple being an american company is even relevant, they might as well be a chinese company , or an irish one.
No there isn't a clear cut scenario...

...the azari position is that in order to stay competitive, we need the smartest minds and that increasingly, the economy is run (or should be run) by those who have the best ideas.

I want to point out that the patent system isn't an independent measuring index which awards teams when they score a goal. Like anything else, it can be manipulated to serve the interests of those who don't have the best ideas or don't represent the imagined cognitive elite.

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The bottom line is a disagreement on how our intellect innovates in the real world.

Is it sort of like weightlifting where there is a visible hierarchy where we can separate and identify those at the top (the ones with good genes, habits and training) and the more of the "top of the top" we identify and mobilize, the greater we achieve?

I argue no, largely. I don't think intellectual "horsepower" is all that special, even when we are able to distinguish it. There are scores and scores and scores of people who are bright enough to handle X work or invent Y or handle Z. Those moments of breakthrough, real and imagined, are "right time" sort of events.

In a country with 300+ million people, and an advanced infrastructure; we are not suffering a lack of brainpower....and a "global" pursuit of talent become primarily a political or ideological activity that we cannot presume even attracts the best of the best.

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NapLajoieonSteroids .. Am sure I have explained the following once, but here again


There was an university study : "what constitute the wealth of a nation"


The study argued that :



1 )

From beginning of time, until (probably) 500 yrs ago .. wealth was (fertile agricultural) land .. as there was no industrial fertilizer, agricultural land could only feed so many people per hectare .. the more land the more population could be fed and all the rest.

That is why, for 1000s of yrs, the big land owners, Lords, where who ruled, and kings and ruler elite came from among them

Wars were to conquer more land.


2 )

Around 500 yrs ago, sort of, industrial age started to kick in .. science etc was taking shape

That is when "natural resources" started become important, Iron ore, copper, Oil etc

That is when "Natural Resources", say, Oil, copper, metals etc started to constitute "wealth"

Brits had cornered world "natural resources" in form of their colonies .. they became rich stealing other people's asset .. and .. Germany had to pay (to Brits) for those natural resources (of other people that Brits controlled)

Wars of conquering (fertile) land , changed to, wars for resources, Oil field of Caucasus, Iron Ore and and

That was what Hitler and Japan European wars (wrongly named World War .. world had nothing to do with that war) was about .. those wars were not for democracy or freedom or tolerance towards others (Jews and now Muslims and Arabs), those wars were for German (and Japan) wanting their fair share from the bounty (of stealing other people's natural resources).

So, British empire, as Churchill once said, became wealthy by British Iranian Oil .. and Iranians poorer and poorer.


3 )

As Hitler was sanctioned for all natural resources, Germans invented "Cracking Coal" making Oil for their planes .. Germans did not get "Chile Nitrate" .. Nitrate is base for explosive (munition) + for fertilizer

So, German invented Haber-Bosch to make out of Air and Water NH3 .. Ammonia

This snowballed, beginning age of "synthesizing , Nylon etc etc

This called "Pattent" age


That study came to conclusion, wealth of a nation constitutes the "Pattent" that nation hold

In practice that is validated .. Africa the most rich natural resources continent, but the poorest too .. Brits argued they had to pay for WW1&2 costs and made no profit in Iranian oil :lol: therefore no share of profit goes to Iran

It is true that iPhone is made in China .. but , the profit is not in making it, the profit is in all those Pattent fees going to all the technology pattent holders in iPhone

In that context , what has to make America rich is not Facebook rubbish, or Amazon (selling stuff on line) , but technology (patents) that other nations need and ready to pay for to make or do things, to built a better CT-scan or a better car or plane.

Meaning, those sitting around that table with Trump were the wrong people .. in fact, people like "Sheryl Sandberg" make America poorer by sucking needed capital which should go to real technology and instead goes to rubbish like Facebook .. Wall Street not into making America wealthy, but, making WS crooks themselves wealthy even if it leads to America's downfall, hipping money to that rubbish, it helps too being from same "tribe".

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Canadians pro-immigration,
but souring on United States


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“Public opinion about immigration among Canadians generally has either remained stable or become even more positive”

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Some views in Canada have shifted, markedly.

Attitudes towards the United States have soured, with fewer than half of Canadians now holding a favourable view of the United States – the lowest level since the survey started tracking this in 1982.

In opinions about the United States, “there’s been a dramatic change,” said Mr. Neuman.

Nearly a fifth of respondents said they have already changed their travel plans for visiting the United States this year due to the current political climate there, and another 8 per cent are thinking about doing so.

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MP, how you doin :lol:


Joe should ask himself what happened ? Who is the culprit ?

Disaster


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How does a company hire 21,459 workers under H1B and follow the law? Same company that brought in H1B workers to replace existing workers as Disney.


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Doc wrote:How does a company hire 21,459 workers under H1B and follow the law? Same company that brought in H1B workers to replace existing workers as Disney.


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:lol: :lol: :lol:


India (and not Mexico) taking over America

Seems, soon, all Fortune 500 CEOs will be Indian

Meet Indian "Narasimhan" , the new CEO of Novartis , one of the biggest Pharmaceutical company in the world

American love Hockey and Holly Wood, Kardashian is the role model :lol:


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HP,

You should have posted this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cher-offer ... sanctuary/

the first celebrity (TIKO) who put her house where her mouth is. No doubt pictures will soon appear of hundreds of young dreamers who live at Cher's house.

Hopefully, Barbara Streisand and Bill Deblasio will soon follow suit.

You guys now have Canada and Cher's house.

HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU GUYS WANT? *

* which is exactly what the Naive Americans (wow! Best Freudian typo yet!) said a few hundred years ago......
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