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A Profound Question Behind the Immigration Debate

For most of our history, we have been largely a country of Europeans, a country of the West, with Western sensibilities and a shared devotion to the Western heritage. Now we are in the process of becoming something else—a mixed country without a coherent, guiding heritage of any civilization and certainly not of the West.

This is largely the result both of the numbers of immigrants coming into the country (both legal and illegal) and of the place of origin of most of those immigrants. In 1960, 84 percent of U.S. immigrants came from Europe and Canada; now that number is just 14 percent. Also, the percentage of people in America who were born outside the United States reached 13.7 percent in 2015—just a shade below the all-time high for that statistic, which was 14.8 percent in 1890, after a similar wave of immigrants largely from Central and Eastern Europe.

What’s more, experts expect that percentage to climb to 14.9 percent by 2015 and 18 percent by 2065. In 1965, when the country’s current immigration philosophy was enacted into law, the percentage of foreign-born people in the country was 5 percent. According to the Pew Research Center, by 2055 the United States will have no ethno-racial majority. When that happens, America will be a completely different country from what it was, say, when the Baby Boomers appeared on the scene and throughout American history before that.

This is a profound national alteration, and what’s remarkable about it is how little debate, or even discussion, has attended it until recently. The American left and most of the country’s elites considered it a natural and beneficial development, a testament to the value of diversity and a shared aversion to discriminatory practice or even discriminatory thinking. Any suggestion that this sweeping change in the makeup of the American population could be ultimately detrimental was considered an assault on the country’s core values and hence our foundations. That tended to stifle dissent. And, if wary critics got too uppity, there was always the allegation of racism to shut them up.

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Trump supporters want fewer immigrants to allow the country to better absorb that current 13.7 percent of foreign-born Americans, to allow for some debate about the implications of current immigration policy, and to preserve the country’s ties to the Western heritage.

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A big debate was held in the 1950's and 60's about the relative rights and status of non-whites, and the outcome affirmed that the United States is not a nation based on ethnicity. Therefore, there is no debate to be had about the ethnic or national origin of immigrants.
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Zack Morris wrote:.

A big debate was held in the 1950's and 60's about the relative rights and status of non-whites, and the outcome affirmed that the United States is not a nation based on ethnicity. Therefore, there is no debate to be had about the ethnic or national origin of immigrants.

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Please tell this Trump :D

MP, anybody @ home ? :lol:


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Trump is irrelevant. The brains behind this are President Bannon and his inexperienced, College Republican lackey, Steve Mitchell -- Donald is a "blunt instrument" who doesn't "get it", President Bannon said. He believes even successful Asian CEOs are a threat to "civil society" and want a revolution to re-assert the supremacy of white Christian America. But the liberals are richer and more numerous than the pillbillies.

There is zero value add to preserving a white majority nation. Absolutely zero. Enormous value added in attracting the best and the brightest. Corporate America is far more powerful than the lazy real estate millionaire, and even if he succeeded at halting all immigration for 4 years, the spigot will be opened as soon as he is gone.
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Zack Morris wrote:Trump is irrelevant. The brains behind this are President Bannon and his inexperienced, College Republican lackey, Steve Mitchell -- Donald is a "blunt instrument" who doesn't "get it", President Bannon said. He believes even successful Asian CEOs are a threat to "civil society" and want a revolution to re-assert the supremacy of white Christian America. But the liberals are richer and more numerous than the pillbillies.

There is zero value add to preserving a white majority nation. Absolutely zero. Enormous value added in attracting the best and the brightest. Corporate America is far more powerful than the lazy real estate millionaire, and even if he succeeded at halting all immigration for 4 years, the spigot will be opened as soon as he is gone.
Soooo Zack Morris you are now a racist? 72% of the US population is of European decent. You talk about people that politically oppose you like they should go away and die while at the same time claim how stupid they are for not turning everything they have over to you.

By the way that Fake fact you keep spewing about how California sends much more money to DC than it gets back......ITS ALL BS

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol- ... story.html
Perhaps more accurate is a 2015 state-by-state review compiled by New York officials, one that puts California much closer to breaking even — about 99 cents in federal services for every real dollar in taxes.
And whats more:
Even then, Trump needs California to prosper. Almost 1 in 8 Americans lives here, and the state has created more than 2.4 million jobs since the current economic expansion began seven years ago. He may not like the state’s politics, but Trump the businessman would be wise to see California as a good investment.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/18/obamas-r ... dents.html
Today, some eight years after the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression as Obama took office, the nation's job market has put nearly six million Americans back to work, as a net gain. That includes 156,000 jobs created in December, according Friday's Bureau of Labor Statistics report, the last with Obama in the White House.
So California got nearly half the jobs created under Obama even though it is only 12.5% of the US population. So how much does getting 2.5 million jobs worth to California ? I am sure you want to give Obama credit for creating all of those jobs. ;)

Plus I don't see anything about spending on Federal water projects that benefit California......
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Yet another thread on the nebulous, virtuous, ephemeral, kind hearted "we," who are so nice and good...... just look at our posts for proof.

Watching the SAG proselytizers the other day, I thought...., a lot of these people have 7, 8, or even 9 digit incomes, and spend more per week on security to ensure the unwashed masses never gets within arm's length of them or their families, than the Average Joe world wide earns in a year. And most of them live in huge homes, that could comfortably house several dozen illegal immigrant refugees. IIRC, Julia Louise Dreyfus inherited almost $2 billion. So why don't they?

Now that the Obama's are private citizens, how many refugees are they sheltering in their home? The same number as the evil, right wing, Trumps me bets! Zack could eat at McDonald's and donate his sushi money to the poor.... HP, you are leading this parade, how about posting the pictures of the illegal immigrant refugees who are currently living in your house?

Is it because the capitalist, conservative, selfish "me" trumps the socialist, liberal, altruistic "we" in the majority of "our"lives?

"Our lives" what are you talking about Kemosabe? My campfire is always open.

Individuals with locks on the doors of their houses, and passwords on their bank accounts talk about what "we" should be doing? Huh? How do you?..... but you said.... I don't get it..... you know you could.....

How bout it OTNOTers? How many of you have illegal immigrant refuges currently living in your own homes? Are they the same color, religion, and nationality as "your people?" If so, does that mean your are a racist, religious bigot, or nationalist? What percentage of your incomes are you donating to charity each paycheck? What charities do you recommend?

Are we all Lefty Preaching, Righty Practicing (LPRP) hypocrites? ;) Probably! :) Feels good though, don't it! :D
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The success or failure of immigration depends largely on the ability of the country to integrate immigrants into their society so that the 1st generation born in the new country are well enculturated with the society's values.

Canada, to-date, appears to have done a good job as had the US historically.

Europe has, to differing degrees, has not done so well with the UK doing the least poorly.
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If I roll my eyes and harder, they are liable to fall out of their sockets.

We ‘need’ high skill immigrants like I need a second yacht.

Aside from those who nestle well here, it is a dubious idea to import technicians we are not only capable of training but prevent companies from manufacturing the occupational castes which they've been getting away with.

Zack confuses best and brightest with "cheapest&connected".

As for Azari's claim that we are going to be turning down the greatest doctors, scientists and poets to ever take human form...he's talkin' unicorns here.

I took the daughter of Iranian immigrants to her prom. Nice people; her parents ran a cleaning company. Her dad got his business degree from a cheap-o school here in the states and has done well for himself. No complaints here but it wasn't like they were filling a niche that no one else in the world was able to fill. That's the face of immigration (and with success too); not neurosurgeon on the weekdays/acclaimed poet on the weekend cases. Dishwashers and bank tellers are more the norm....
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Typhoon wrote:The success or failure of immigration depends largely on the ability of the country to integrate immigrants into their society so that the 1st generation born in the new country are well enculturated with the society's values.

Canada, to-date, appears to have done a good job as had the US historically.

Europe has, to differing degrees, has not done so well with the UK doing the least poorly.
I would disagree with the last bit. Paris did have an insurrection of immigrants that lasted for years. At one point the causality rate among Paris police officers was higher that for US troops in Iraq.
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Doc wrote:.

72% of the US population is of European decent.

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American white people miss one point

America now entering a new world .. OTHERS , other nations , are rising (fast) economically (what leads to rising military power) .. China , India , Iran , Brazil, Europe , Germany , Philippine and and

America has not anymore the weight in world economy and military it used to have .. and .. the trend expediting

In this kind of situation .. falling and greying population leads to accelerating loss of economic power which leads to diminishing military power.

Only remedy to stop that is immigration

1982 when Iranians started coming to Canada, Canada's population was 22 million .. now, latest figure I read, is 45 million.

Canada takes in 500,000 immigrants a year .. soon, probably within 2 generations, maybe a bit more, Canada will have 100 m population.

Canada had "European only" immigration policy , like Australia and New Zealand have right now.

Trudeau changed that

And look now to Vancouver .. a world city .. competing with NY .. Iranian developers built the new Vancouver (they started in 1980 when there was no Chinese money).

America needs immigrants, a lot of immigrants , if not wanting to become a 2nd rate economic and military power

No such things as European immigrants .. Europeans need themselves immigrants, let alone immigrating to US.



Trump mindset, people, followers, will fail .. that would be a win for America .. If Trump mindset and followers win, America will diminish

Trump and his people know this .. but .. they say, we don't care if America become a 2nd rate economy and power.

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America's fertility rate has hovered around 1.9 for the last thirty years. A rate of 1.9 is not optimal, but we can work with it.

We need 400,000 immigrants a year to make up for that, if we wanted to. Right now, we are taking in people by the millions.

One thing not taken into account when tfr's get tossed around is that the "world powers" all went through a period in the last century of encouraging high demographics for a purpose of mass mobilization and cannon fodder. It is not pretty watching it fall again (and the economic shocks which accompany it) but a return to normalcy where babies aren't the future soldiers of the next great war.

As for who is let it: that is, has been, and always will be arbitrary. Even after 1965, there have been times when the United States catered her policies on race&religion, with whatever rationalizations were at hand.

To focus on race, to try to shame people, is a distraction from the fact that immigrants account for a tenth of GDP growth at best and that doesn't account for social issues which negatively effect communities and displace natives with little benefit to anyone outside the haute-beougosie and their growing discomfort in dealing with anyone outside their class and its prejudices.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

72% of the US population is of European decent.

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American white people miss one point

America now entering a new world .. OTHERS , other nations , are rising (fast) economically (what leads to rising military power) .. China , India , Iran , Brazil, Europe , Germany , Philippine and and

America has not anymore the weight in world economy and military it used to have .. and .. the trend expediting

In this kind of situation .. falling and greying population leads to accelerating loss of economic power which leads to diminishing military power.

Only remedy to stop that is immigration

1982 when Iranians started coming to Canada, Canada's population was 22 million .. now, latest figure I read, is 45 million.

Canada takes in 500,000 immigrants a year .. soon, probably within 2 generations, maybe a bit more, Canada will have 100 m population.

Canada had "European only" immigration policy , like Australia and New Zealand have right now.

Trudeau changed that

And look now to Vancouver .. a world city .. competing with NY .. Iranian developers built the new Vancouver (they started in 1980 when there was no Chinese money).

America needs immigrants, a lot of immigrants , if not wanting to become a 2nd rate economic and military power

No such things as European immigrants .. Europeans need themselves immigrants, let alone immigrating to US.



Trump mindset, people, followers, will fail .. that would be a win for America .. If Trump mindset and followers win, America will diminish

Trump and his people know this .. but .. they say, we don't care if America become a 2nd rate economy and power.

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AZ what you just did is called "Moving the goal posts"

Okey Dokey


At the end of WWII the US produced 50% of the world's goods. Today it is around 25% of teh world's goods.


https://www2.deloitte.com/global/en/pag ... index.html
The United States is expected to take over the number one position from China by the end of the decade while Germany holds firm at number three: The US continues to improve its ranking from 4th in 2010 to 3rd in 2013 to 2nd in this year’s study. Moreover, executives expect the US to assume the top position before the end of the decade while Germany holds strong and steady at the number three position now through the end of the decade
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:.

America's fertility rate has hovered around 1.9 for the last thirty years. A rate of 1.9 is not optimal, but we can work with it.

We need 400,000 immigrants a year to make up for that, if we wanted to. Right now, we are taking in people by the millions.

One thing not taken into account when tfr's get tossed around is that the "world powers" all went through a period in the last century of encouraging high demographics for a purpose of mass mobilization and cannon fodder. It is not pretty watching it fall again (and the economic shocks which accompany it) but a return to normalcy where babies aren't the future soldiers of the next great war.

As for who is let it: that is, has been, and always will be arbitrary. Even after 1965, there have been times when the United States catered her policies on race&religion, with whatever rationalizations were at hand.

To focus on race, to try to shame people, is a distraction from the fact that immigrants account for a tenth of GDP growth at best and that doesn't account for social issues which negatively effect communities and displace natives with little benefit to anyone outside the haute-beougosie and their growing discomfort in dealing with anyone outside their class and its prejudices.

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If, American "Goal" is to keep America WHITE .. Caucasian & WHITE .. if that is the GOAL .. Not many choices if you even want to let in 500,000 immigrants let alone millions a year

Top of the top, cream de la cream, are the Iranians.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

"Aryan" (/ˈɛəriən, ˈɛərjən, ˈær-/) is a term meaning "noble" which was used as a self-designation by Indian and Iranian or Indo-Iranian people.

Name Iran means "land of Aryan".

Iranians in America, the most affluent, and highly educated and successful.

Next comet Syrians .. Today's Syrians are the crusaders that fought the Arabs AND settled in present Syria .. most Syrians blond blue eye.

That is why Canada can not have enough Syrians, the more the better .. Germany accepting ALL Syrians, not one send back and wants more.


Muslim ? ?

Come on, those refugee "running away" from McCain & Graham Muslim terrorists.


Trump, unfortunately, has a "Mephisto" deal with RUPTURE followers, they will ruin America and not the Muslims.


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There is a difference between immigrants, anchor babies, illegal immigrants and refugees.

Nobody has a problem with the millions of people who immigrate through legal channels.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:.

America's fertility rate has hovered around 1.9 for the last thirty years. A rate of 1.9 is not optimal, but we can work with it.

We need 400,000 immigrants a year to make up for that, if we wanted to. Right now, we are taking in people by the millions.

One thing not taken into account when tfr's get tossed around is that the "world powers" all went through a period in the last century of encouraging high demographics for a purpose of mass mobilization and cannon fodder. It is not pretty watching it fall again (and the economic shocks which accompany it) but a return to normalcy where babies aren't the future soldiers of the next great war.

As for who is let it: that is, has been, and always will be arbitrary. Even after 1965, there have been times when the United States catered her policies on race&religion, with whatever rationalizations were at hand.

To focus on race, to try to shame people, is a distraction from the fact that immigrants account for a tenth of GDP growth at best and that doesn't account for social issues which negatively effect communities and displace natives with little benefit to anyone outside the haute-beougosie and their growing discomfort in dealing with anyone outside their class and its prejudices.

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If, American "Goal" is to keep America WHITE .. Caucasian & WHITE .. if that is the GOAL .. Not many choices if you even want to let in 500,000 immigrants let alone millions a year

Top of the top, cream de la cream, are the Iranians.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

"Aryan" (/ˈɛəriən, ˈɛərjən, ˈær-/) is a term meaning "noble" which was used as a self-designation by Indian and Iranian or Indo-Iranian people.

Name Iran means "land of Aryan".

Iranians in America, the most affluent, and highly educated and successful.

Next comet Syrians .. Today's Syrians are the crusaders that fought the Arabs AND settled in present Syria .. most Syrians blond blue eye.

That is why Canada can not have enough Syrians, the more the better .. Germany accepting ALL Syrians, not one send back and wants more.


Muslim ? ?

Come on, those refugee "running away" from McCain & Graham Muslim terrorists.


Trump, unfortunately, has a "Mephisto" deal with RUPTURE followers, they will ruin America and not the Muslims.


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Geee Az a little while ago you were saying that Whites in the US were already a minority. Now you are claiming they are a repressive Majority...

What a disaster !!! What A disaster AZ!!!

:lol:
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Geee Az a little while ago you were saying that Whites in the US were already a minority. Now you are claiming they are a repressive Majority...

What a disaster !!! What A disaster AZ!!!

:lol:

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Don't remember saying they already minority, might have said on the way to.

and

am not sure whether "White European" (ams sure by "White Europeans" you mean excluding Mexicans and latin America) now a majority as you say, for sure soon not anymore .. that not because of Muslims or Iranians, the Mexicanos gonna take over America :lol: like termites eat California homes.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

Geee Az a little while ago you were saying that Whites in the US were already a minority. Now you are claiming they are a repressive Majority...

What a disaster !!! What A disaster AZ!!!

:lol:

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Don't remember saying they already minority, might have said on the way to.

and

am not sure whether "White European" (ams sure by "White Europeans" you mean excluding Mexicans and latin America) now a majority as you say, for sure soon not anymore .. that not because of Muslims or Iranians, the Mexicanos gonna take over America :lol: like termites eat California homes.

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I said "of European descent" Never mentioned anything about race. No such thing as different "races" of humans AZ. "race" is just a made up concept meant to divide people. Anyone interjecting "race" into a conversation without the quotes is inherently self identifying as a "racist" that wishes to divide people into groups so they can be pitted against each other. When I say "of European descent" I am referring to cultural heritage not "race"
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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

Geee Az a little while ago you were saying that Whites in the US were already a minority. Now you are claiming they are a repressive Majority...

What a disaster !!! What A disaster AZ!!!

:lol:

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Don't remember saying they already minority, might have said on the way to.

and

am not sure whether "White European" (ams sure by "White Europeans" you mean excluding Mexicans and latin America) now a majority as you say, for sure soon not anymore .. that not because of Muslims or Iranians, the Mexicanos gonna take over America :lol: like termites eat California homes.

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I said "of European descent" Never mentioned anything about race. No such thing as different "races" of humans AZ. "race" is just a made up concept meant to divide people. Anyone interjecting "race" into a conversation without the quotes is inherently self identifying as a "racist" that wishes to divide people into groups so they can be pitted against each other. When I say "of European descent" I am referring to cultural heritage not "race"


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If so, Iranians are more "European descent" than Texas or Hutchinson Kansas folks .. in fact, Iranians "Mediterranean", specially now that we own Lebanon and Syria :lol:

Doc, nothing wrong with saying different races .. Völkerkunde (anthropology) ethnology (branch of anthropology) .. this a exact science.

What went wrong and made a bad name for Völkerkunde was when Hitler said some races are inferior .. that is called RACISM

Of course there are different races .. but that is not "racism" .. "racism" is if one says the other race inferior

And .. with all due respect, all this Muslim rubbish in US & Europe is (in closet) racism .. they say Muslims but mean Arab

Hitler was not talking about Judaism theology , he always said "Jüdische Rasse" .. meaning Hebrew Tribe

Don't kid yourself.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

72% of the US population is of European decent.

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American white people miss one point

America now entering a new world .. OTHERS , other nations , are rising (fast) economically (what leads to rising military power) .. China , India , Iran , Brazil, Europe , Germany , Philippine and and

America has not anymore the weight in world economy and military it used to have .. and .. the trend expediting

In this kind of situation .. falling and greying population leads to accelerating loss of economic power which leads to diminishing military power.

Only remedy to stop that is immigration

1982 when Iranians started coming to Canada, Canada's population was 22 million .. now, latest figure I read, is 45 million.

Canada takes in 500,000 immigrants a year .. soon, probably within 2 generations, maybe a bit more, Canada will have 100 m population.

Canada had "European only" immigration policy , like Australia and New Zealand have right now.

Trudeau changed that

And look now to Vancouver .. a world city .. competing with NY .. Iranian developers built the new Vancouver (they started in 1980 when there was no Chinese money).

America needs immigrants, a lot of immigrants , if not wanting to become a 2nd rate economic and military power

No such things as European immigrants .. Europeans need themselves immigrants, let alone immigrating to US.



Trump mindset, people, followers, will fail .. that would be a win for America .. If Trump mindset and followers win, America will diminish

Trump and his people know this .. but .. they say, we don't care if America become a 2nd rate economy and power.

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australia and new zealand have twice as many chinese and indian immigrants as european ones, have done so for decades now.
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noddy wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Doc wrote:.

72% of the US population is of European decent.

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American white people miss one point

America now entering a new world .. OTHERS , other nations , are rising (fast) economically (what leads to rising military power) .. China , India , Iran , Brazil, Europe , Germany , Philippine and and

America has not anymore the weight in world economy and military it used to have .. and .. the trend expediting

In this kind of situation .. falling and greying population leads to accelerating loss of economic power which leads to diminishing military power.

Only remedy to stop that is immigration

1982 when Iranians started coming to Canada, Canada's population was 22 million .. now, latest figure I read, is 45 million.

Canada takes in 500,000 immigrants a year .. soon, probably within 2 generations, maybe a bit more, Canada will have 100 m population.

Canada had "European only" immigration policy , like Australia and New Zealand have right now.

Trudeau changed that

And look now to Vancouver .. a world city .. competing with NY .. Iranian developers built the new Vancouver (they started in 1980 when there was no Chinese money).

America needs immigrants, a lot of immigrants , if not wanting to become a 2nd rate economic and military power

No such things as European immigrants .. Europeans need themselves immigrants, let alone immigrating to US.



Trump mindset, people, followers, will fail .. that would be a win for America .. If Trump mindset and followers win, America will diminish

Trump and his people know this .. but .. they say, we don't care if America become a 2nd rate economy and power.

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Australia and new Zealand have twice as many Chinese and indian immigrants as european ones.


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True so far, as Europe has ZERO Chinese and Indian immigrants

Any Chinese or Indian in France ? in Austria ? in Switzerland ? in Poland ?

ZERO

Ne exist pas


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7+ billion humans, millions and millions of which want more opportunity, immigration is very much a buyers market not a sellers market.

choosing which of those billions you think will do best in your country is a sensible policy, so most countries are happy with chinese and indians because they slip straight into middle class modernity without a second thought - no ghettos, no gangs of criminals - they are a much higher standard of civilization than whites, africans or arabs which are less reliable.

all of Australia's violent drug ghettos are white or Arab, none of them are Chinese or Indian.

Doesn't matter how much you rant , reality will keep on being the same.

(small amount of tongue in cheek goes ere)


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"noddy", I understand your anger .. truth hurts

You rant as much you want, facts on the ground say what I said about, Australia was and still is "White only" immigration destination

True, some Arabs and non Europeans last few yrs let in, some Rich Chinese (who bought all the condo in Sydney harbour) and Indians .. but .. what about Australian immigration detention facilities where just recently an Iranian refugee was murdered and others set on fire .. spare you many uTube clips saying same

You should be ashamed even posting on this subject, let alone accusing of ranting


Have a look :


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 30727.html

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... m46za.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens ... women.html

https://news.vice.com/article/woman-rap ... r-abortion



And you say all this lie ? ? ? ?

Stop smoking that "horse sh*t" :lol: :lol: :lol:


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im not angry

more indians and chinese than european migrate to australia, basic facts.


yes, their are detention centres for people who dont immigrate to australia but arrive unannounced without paperwork

those detention centres are horrible and stupid - however this is not the hundreds of thousands of people that come officialy - these are like the ones stuck in camps around europe and the mdidle east without paperwork

australia is open and honest so the horror stories come out, not hidden like most countries.


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https://www.migrationexpert.com.au/aust ... _australia
According to a new report released by the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, Brendan O'Connor, seven of the top 10 source countries of Australian immigrants were Asian nations.

The report "Australia's Migration Trends" for 2011-12 shows that the Asia region is becoming a leading source for permanent migration to Australia, in which India and China were the two main source countries.

Immigrants from India now make up 23.7 percent of Australia's migration program. China assumed the number 2 spot, as visa places fell by about 4,000 to 25,500 last year.

This was more than double the rate for the Australian-born population and is essential in addressing the demographic challenges of an ageing population, Mr O'Connor said.
new zealand has even higher stats.

https://www.enz.org/migrants.html


get your facts straight before babbling nonsense
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noddy wrote:.


im not angry

you are full of sh*t, full of lies, an angry old man who rants nonsense and always change the subject when the facts arrive.

more indians and chinese than european migrate to australia, basic facts.


yes, their are detention centres for people who dont immigrate to australia but arrive unannounced without paperwork

those detention centres are horrible and stupid - however this is thousands of people - just like the ones stuck in camps around europe and the mdidle east without paperwork

australia is open and honest so the horror stories come out, not hidden like most countries.


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Yes, true , NOW more Indians and Chinese than european migrate to Australia

Reason for that is "European immigrants" do not exist anymore .. Germans importing 1 million Syrians, why should Germans immigrate to Australia ? ? or French , or the Poles or Spanish .. they themselves importing immigrants

So, as Australia needs immigrants, Chinese and Indians fill the gap

But, how about Africans .. how many BLACKS does Australia accept every year ? ? am sure NON

Pretty much all Taxi drivers in Montreal are Haitians, good people.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Canada had "European only" immigration policy , like Australia and New Zealand have right now.

Heracleum Persicum wrote:Yes, true , NOWmore Indians and Chinese than european migrate to Australia



Heracleum Persicum wrote:

But, how about Africans .. how many BLACKS does Australia accept every year ? ? am sure NON


hhahah is this some moving goalpost of non facts ?

plenty of blacks are moving to australia - historically not so much but in the last few decades the numbers have been increasing rapidly.

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In the 2015 Australian Census, 380,000 residents declared that they were born in Africa.
maybe 1/4 of those is white flight from south africa, rest all black.
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noddy wrote:.


new zealand has even higher stats.

https://www.enz.org/migrants.html


get your facts straight before babbling nonsense


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:lol: :lol: looked at the above , New Zealand immigration statistics

Much worst than I was expecting

Pretty much a "boutique" immigration program .. to argue we too have some immigrants .. till 2 yrs ago, a few year were even negative immigration, after that a just a token numbers Indian and Chinese .. you can bet the farm those Indian and Chinese were rich buying property.

Canada imports 500,000 a year :lol:


BTW , my apology, mentioned Canada population now 45 , was typo, population now 35.


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new zealand is a tiny country of 4.5 million in the middle of nowhere, low immigration is to be expected but the magority is now chinese and indians.

you claimed "white only immigration"
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