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Zack Morris wrote:Haha, Nap. Nice spin. Are you writing for Breitbart these days?

What would make Comey think Trump was likely to lie? Gee, I wonder! Could it be the fact that he's a verified liar who is known to frequently make things up to smear people?

Just a few weeks ago Doc and Mr P were on here denying that the Comey memos ever existed because the WaPo was attributing them to anonymous sources. Looks like the WaPo has proven accurate yet again. They've got a nearly unblemished record so far when it comes to Trump dirt -- far better than the right-wing fake news Trump supporters right here on this forum are consuming (Newsmax, Dearborn local paper LOL!).

The Trump administration is utterly dysfunctional right now according to months of near daily leaks. The old man spends all his time holed up watching Fox News and is now doing the bidding of the House of Saud with the Qatar fiasco. They're having recruiting difficulties because everyone knows Trump would be a resume
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This presidency is going down in flames.
Lol not even close.
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Zack Morris, azari, you bet it all on red and it came up black. You are finished. The Russia thing is finished. It's all over.
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Reason | Comey Tells Senate He Believes Trump Wanted to Stop Flynn/Russia Investigation
The three-hour open session did not provide the smoking gun Trump foes were looking for,
but neither should it be easy for Trump supporters to wave away Comey's descriptions of Trump's behavior.
So this business is probably going to drag on . . . and on.
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The Trump administration is paralyzed and will remain so for the foreseeable future because it is led by an durian and his motley assortment of Keystone Cops. And because of this "cloud" hanging closely overhead. Good!

In other good news, the GOP's Kansas Laffer curve experiment has come to a disastrous end. Trump wants to try this again on a national scale but it ain't gonna happen now. I propose a new verb for GOP economic policy: Brownbacking.
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Lol, the cloud is lifting and the sun is coming out. America renewed and invigorated as the enemies of Democracy are vanquished. You are an enemy of Democracy Zack Morris. Your anti Democracty deep state just took their penalt shot and missed, and your game is over. Ash bin of history. Here in reality, this is what is happening to your party.

For me, everyday is like Christmas. From your prophets and scripture writers:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/opin ... ought.html
The Democratic Party Is in Worse Shape Than You Thought

Sifting through the wreckage of the 2016 election, Democratic pollsters, strategists and sympathetic academics have reached some unnerving conclusions.

What the autopsy reveals is that Democratic losses among working class voters were not limited to whites; that crucial constituencies within the party see its leaders as alien; and that unity over economic populism may not be able to turn back the conservative tide.

Equally disturbing, winning back former party loyalists who switched to Trump will be tough: these white voters’ views on immigration and race are in direct conflict with fundamental Democratic tenets.

Some of these post-mortem conclusions are based on polling and focus groups conducted by the Democratic super PAC Priorities USA; others are drawn from a collection of 13 essays published by The American Prospect.

A consistent theme is that the focus on white defections from the Democratic Party masks an even more threatening trend: declining turnout among key elements of the so-called Rising American Electorate — minority, young and single voters. Turnout among African-Americans, for example, fell by 7 points, from 66.6 percent in 2012 to 59.6 percent in 2016.

Priorities USA, in surveys and focus groups, studied “drop off voters,” those who lean Democratic but failed to vote in either 2014 or 2016. By and large, these voters were members of the coalition that elected and re-elected Barack Obama:

people of color (41% African-American, Hispanic, or Asian), young (22% under the age of 29), female (60%), and unmarried (46% single, separated, widowed, or divorced).

Priorities found that drop off voters were distinctly lukewarm toward Hillary Clinton:

Just 30% describe themselves as very favorable to Clinton, far lower than the 72% who describe themselves as very favorable to Barack Obama.

Priorities also studied Obama-to-Trump voters. Estimates of the number of such voters range from 6.7 to 9.2 million, far more than enough to provide Trump his Electoral College victory. The counties that switched from Obama to Trump were heavily concentrated in the Midwest and other Rust Belt states.

To say that this constituency does not look favorably on the Democratic Party fails to capture the scope of their disenchantment.

The accompanying chart illustrates this discontent. A solid majority, 77 percent, of Obama-to-Trump voters think Trump’s economic policies will either favor “all groups equally” (44) or the middle class (33). 21 percent said Trump would favor the wealthy.

In contrast, a plurality of these voters, 42 percent, said that Congressional Democrats would favor the wealthy, slightly ahead of Congressional Republicans at 40 percent.

Geoff Garin is a partner in the Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group which, together with the Global Strategy Group, conducted the surveys and focus groups for Priorities USA. Garin wrote in an email:

The biggest common denominator among Obama-Trump voters is a view that the political system is corrupt and doesn’t work for people like them.

Garin added that

Obama-Trump voters were more likely to think more Democrats look out for the wealthy than look out for poor people.

“After economics,” Garin wrote,

the other main drivers for Trump were very specifically about immigration and race, and feelings about both things were powerful and raw.

Garin described Trump’s use of the race issue as “both masterful and dastardly” in exploiting “the polarization on race around Black Lives Matter and the shootings by and of police.” In doing so,

Trump accentuated people’s feelings that battle lines were being drawn in the country and that the forgotten American (a.k.a. working class whites) had to take sides.

I asked Nick Gourevitch, a partner in Global Strategies, to rank the importance of economics, race, immigration and cultural alienation in driving support for Trump. He emailed:

My take is that economics and culture/race are quite intertwined. The Obama-Trump shift happened in places that are no doubt economically distressed and when you do focus groups with Obama-Trump voters, the conversation always starts about the economy, jobs leaving, towns and places that are no longer as vibrant as they used to be.

As focus group discussions continued, Gourevitch noted, cultural and racial issues began to emerge in force:

So it may be that within economically distressed communities, the individuals who found Trump appealing (or who left Obama for Trump) were the ones where the cultural and racial piece was a strong part of the reason why they went in that direction. So I guess my take is that it’s probably not economics alone that did it. Nor is it racism/cultural alienation alone that did it. It’s probably that mixture.

If the Priorities analysis is bleak, the 13 American Prospect essays are even more so.

Stan Greenberg, the Democratic pollster, writes in his Prospect essay:

The Democrats don’t have a “white working-class problem.” They have a “working-class problem,” which progressives have been reluctant to address honestly or boldly. The fact is that Democrats have lost support with all working-class voters across the electorate, including the Rising American Electorate of minorities, unmarried women, and millennials. This decline contributed mightily to the Democrats’ losses in the states and Congress and to the election of Donald Trump.

Greenberg voiced an exceptionally sharp critique of his own party and its candidates. First, he takes on Barack Obama:

Working-class Americans pulled back from Democrats in this last period of Democratic governance because of President Obama’s insistence on heralding economic progress and the bailout of the irresponsible elites, while ordinary people’s incomes crashed and they continued to struggle financially.

Hillary Clinton does not escape Greenberg’s wrath:

In what may border on campaign malpractice, the Clinton campaign chose in the closing battle to ignore the economic stress not just of the working-class women who were still in play, but also of those within the Democrats’ own base, particularly among the minorities, millennials, and unmarried women.

Greenberg does not stop there, shifting his focus from individual Democratic politicians to the Democratic Party itself:

Past supporters

pulled back because of the Democrats’ seeming embrace of multinational trade agreements that have cost American jobs. The Democrats have moved from seeking to manage and champion the nation’s growing immigrant diversity to seeming to champion immigrant rights over American citizens’. Instinctively and not surprisingly, the Democrats embraced the liberal values of America’s dynamic and best-educated metropolitan areas, seeming not to respect the values or economic stress of older voters in small-town and rural America. Finally, the Democrats also missed the economic stress and social problems in the cities themselves and in working-class suburbs.

Along parallel lines, three analysts at the pro-Democratic Center for American Progress, Robert Griffin, John Halpin, and Ruy Teixeira, argue that:

Rather than debating whether Democrats should appeal to white working-class voters or voters of color — both necessary components of a successful electoral coalition, particularly at the state and local level — a more important question emerges: Why are Democrats losing support and seeing declining turnout from working-class voters of all races in many places?

Griffin, Halpin and Teixeira argue that

Democrats allowed themselves to become the party of the status quo — a status quo perceived to be elitist, exclusionary, and disconnected from the entire range of working-class concerns, but particularly from those voters in white working-class areas.

In the 2016 campaign, they continue,

rightly or wrongly, Hillary Clinton’s campaign exemplified a professional-class status quo that failed to rally enough working-class voters of color and failed to blunt the drift of white working-class voters to Republicans.

For Democrats who argue that adoption of economic populism message is the best way to counter Trump, Guy Molyneux, a partner in Garin’s polling firm, warns in his American Prospect essay, “A Tale of Two Populisms,” that voters drawn to Trump are anti-government, deeply wary of a pro-government Democratic Party.

“Many analysts and leading Democrats,” Molyneux writes “have attributed Donald Trump’s impressive 2016 vote margin among white working-class voters to his embrace of economic populism.” He quotes Bernie Sanders’ postelection comments:

Millions of Americans registered a protest vote on Tuesday, expressing their fierce opposition to an economic and political system that puts wealthy and corporate interests over their own.... Donald J. Trump won the White House because his campaign rhetoric successfully tapped into a very real and justified anger, an anger that many traditional Democrats feel.

While “Democrats can take obvious comfort in a story about Trump winning in large measure because he stole our ideas,” Molyneux writes, “this assessment misses the mark in important ways.”

Why? Because

Trump’s brand of populism — and more importantly, that of working-class whites — differs in important ways from the populism of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

While the populism espoused by Sanders and Warren is economic, challenging C.E.O.s, major corporations and “the billionaire class,” Trump is the messenger of what Molyneux calls “political populism,” which “is, fundamentally, a story about the failure of government.”

Molyneux writes:

White working-class voters’ negative view of government spending undermines their potential support for many progressive economic policies. While they want something done about jobs, wages, education, and health care, they are also fiscally conservative and deeply skeptical of government’s ability to make positive change. So political populism not only differs from economic populism, but also serves as a powerful barrier to it.

Or, as I have written elsewhere, Democrats cannot simply argue in favor of redistributive government on economic matters because defecting whites are deeply hostile to a government they see as coercive on matters of race.

For decades, the perception that an intrusive federal government promotes policies favoring African-Americans and other minorities at the expense of whites has driven anti-government animosity.

In May, the Public Religion Research Institute released a report, “Beyond Economics: Fears of Cultural Displacement Pushed the White Working Class to Trump.” It found that

more than half (52%) of white working-class Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities

and that “four in ten white working-class Americans agree” with the statement that “efforts to increase diversity almost always come at the expense of whites.”

In a separate argument, Nicholas Carnes and Noam Lupu, professors of political science at Duke and Vanderbilt, challenge a basic premise on the left — that the populism of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could have stemmed the loss of non-college whites to Trump.

Carnes and Lupu contend instead that the oft-cited theory that Trump won because of support from the low-income white working class is itself wrong.

The two scholars provide data showing that

among white people without college degrees who voted for Trump, nearly 60 percent were in the top half of the income distribution

and that

white non-Hispanic voters without college degrees making below the median household income made up only 25 percent of Trump voters.

Democratic pessimism today stands in contrast to the optimism that followed the elections of 2006, 2008 and 2012.

At that time, the consensus was that Democrats had found the key to sustained victory. The party saw its future in ascendant constituencies: empowered minorities, singles, social liberals and the well-educated.

Democratic activists saw the Republican Party as doomed to defeat without a radical change of course because it was tied to overlapping constituencies that they viewed as of waning significance — for example, older, non-college, evangelical white Christians.

Today, in a world of angry, fearful voters, it is liberal optimism that is at a low ebb — buffeted by a drumroll of terrorist incidents, rising levels of hostility toward immigrants and a broad animus toward difference, the unknown and the other.
Before 2016, no one, Democrat or Republican, thought that the man who would bring about radical change would be Donald Trump, except, perhaps, Trump himself.
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:D :D :D :D

And the most genuine charismatic leftist I have ever seen run in my life is losing today to a dour grandma who couldn't sell chicken food to chickens.
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Mr. Perfect wrote::D :D :D :D

And the most genuine charismatic leftist I have ever seen run in my life is losing today to a dour grandma who couldn't sell chicken food to chickens.
Is this a post about the Brits?

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Yeah. You could run a child molester over there and they would still beat Labor. Leftists are down to a handful of sanctuaries.
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Unfortunately, that's not looking to be the case.

Early reports are that the Tories have lost the majority and it's a hung parliament- no one will ally with them; there is some chatter of a Lib-Dem/Labor/SNP left-ish alliance.
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Also was my thought: nothing much to worry about for Trump who in fact gets exonerated, but Loretta Lynch is the big news here.

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It's a great day.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/ ... wrong.html'
Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong

In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.

As a matter of law, Comey is 100 percent correct. As I have long argued, and as Comey confirmed in his written statement, our history shows that many presidents—from Adams to Jefferson, to Lincoln, to Roosevelt, to Kennedy, to Bush 1, and to Obama – have directed the Justice Department with regard to ongoing investigations. The history is clear, the precedents are clear, the constitutional structure is clear, and common sense is clear.

Yet virtually every Democratic pundit, in their haste to “get” President Trump, has willfully ignored these realities. In doing so they have endangered our civil liberties and constitutional rights.

Now that even former Director Comey has acknowledged that the Constitution would permit the president to direct the Justice Department and the FBI in this matter, let us put the issue of obstruction of justice behind us once and for all and focus on the political, moral, and other non-criminal aspects of President Trump’s conduct.
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Zack Morris wrote:Haha, Nap. Nice spin. Are you writing for Breitbart these days?

What would make Comey think Trump was likely to lie? Gee, I wonder! Could it be the fact that he's a verified liar who is known to frequently make things up to smear people?

Just a few weeks ago Doc and Mr P were on here denying that the Comey memos ever existed because the WaPo was attributing them to anonymous sources. Looks like the WaPo has proven accurate yet again. They've got a nearly unblemished record so far when it comes to Trump dirt -- far better than the right-wing fake news Trump supporters right here on this forum are consuming (Newsmax, Dearborn local paper LOL!).

The Trump administration is utterly dysfunctional right now according to months of near daily leaks. The old man spends all his time holed up watching Fox News and is now doing the bidding of the House of Saud with the Qatar fiasco. They're having recruiting difficulties because everyone knows Trump would be a resume
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This presidency is going down in flames.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Unfortunately, that's not looking to be the case.

Early reports are that the Tories have lost the majority and it's a hung parliament- no one will ally with them; there is some chatter of a Lib-Dem/Labor/SNP left-ish alliance.
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Washington never reconciled itself to Trump’s victory.


Pressed by Megyn Kelly on his ties to President Trump, an exasperated Vladimir Putin blurted out, “We had no relationship at all. … I never met him. … Have you all lost your senses over there?”

Yes, Vlad, we have.

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For Trump ran in 2016 not simply as the Republican alternative. He presented his candidacy as a rejection, a repudiation of the failed elites, political and media, of both parties. Americans voted in 2016 not just for a change in leaders but for a revolution to overthrow a ruling regime.

Thus this city has never reconciled itself to Trump’s victory, and the president daily rubs their noses in their defeat with his tweets.

Seeking a rationale for its rejection, this city has seized upon that old standby. We didn’t lose! The election was stolen in a vast conspiracy, an “act of war” against America, an assault upon “our democracy,” criminal collusion between the Kremlin and the Trumpites.

Hence, Trump is an illegitimate president, and it is the duty of brave citizens of both parties to work to remove the usurper.

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.. If Trump is brought down on the basis of what Putin correctly labels “nonsense,” this city will have executed a nonviolent coup against a constitutionally elected president.

Such an act would drop us into the company of those Third World nations where such means are the customary ways that corrupt elites retain their hold on power.


MP, you said Pat already too old ! ! ! :lol:


Have to admit Pat makes sense

Now you know , SM, NH, why I voted for Donald (virtual vote)

Old system was corrupt .. crooks had taken over

Let's see whether things have changed .. does not look like it has :lol:

Still Wahhabi the good guys and our beloved Iranians the bad guy .. come on, MP


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There really aren't any excuses Azari, we've been telling you what would happen for months, but you went with well known fake news outlets, Bezos/CIA. I have the highest quality news services available and the idea that Trump colluded with Russians was phony/laughable.

Now wahab are at the throat of Iran. You have much bigger problems now. You have your hands full.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:There really aren't any excuses Azari, we've been telling you what would happen for months, but you went with well known fake news outlets, Bezos/CIA. I have the highest quality news services available and the idea that Trump colluded with Russians was phony/laughable.

Now wahab are at the throat of Iran. You have much bigger problems now. You have your hands full.
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Haha! Highest quality news sources, the Dearborne local paper and YouTube. :D :D :D I bet you also subscribe to those investor newsletters.

Anyway, it's fun sometimes to take a trip down memory lane. At this point in Obama's first term, he too was embroiled in a political scandal.
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Zack Morris wrote:Haha! Highest quality news sources, the Dearborne local paper and YouTube. :D :D :D I bet you also subscribe to those investor newsletters.

Anyway, it's fun sometimes to take a trip down memory lane. At this point in Obama's first term, he too was embroiled in a political scandal.
Cool stories bro. One of us was fooled into thinking trump would be impeached, the other one wasn't. It mostly turned on which one of us was better informed.
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All finished. This thing was killed behind closed doors.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/33757 ... hment-push
The weekly meeting of House Democrats on Tuesday erupted over stark disagreements about how the party should fight President Trump.

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.), a leadership ally, stood during the Democrats’ closed-door caucus meeting to denounce Rep. Brad Sherman’s (D-Calif.) impeachment push as a selfish maneuver that could hurt fellow Democrats and candidates at home, according to a source in the room.

There must be ”a discussion within the caucus — in a public forum — before we do something that would position our colleagues or our future colleagues,” Capuano said, according to the source.

"Emotions are high. These issues have political implications and government ones."

Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), the minority whip, also took issue with Sherman’s tactics on Tuesday after the meeting.

“We believe strongly that a discussion about impeachment is not timely,” he said.
Haha. A tiny minority party thinks they could impeach anybody. Cute little minority party.
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Some body lying here .. under oath .. Jeff Sessions says it ain't so, when @ the same time Comey says it is so

Well, somebody gotto go to jail .. Americans Trust James Comey Over Trump :lol:

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Lol Huffington Post is fake news. Not gonna be an impeachment azari. You guys are 0-38 on scandals. You are out of bullets.

Trump wins.
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Comey 2020?
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Zack Morris wrote:Comey 2020?
Only if we coax him out from hiding in the curtains.
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Zack Morris wrote:Comey 2020?
The Democrat primary bloodbath will be one for the ages. What a way for you guys to go out, in a blaze of inglory.
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