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I cannot remember the last time I watched network news or read a newspaper. I do not think am an outlier, either. The media really is failing rapidly.
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Typhoon wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:The MSM was supposed to be dead Mr P. The Russia thing a "nothing burger". But now we've got confirmation it's a "something burger" after all. NYT, Donnie Jr., and today new revelations from the WSJ. Once again you guys are wrong. How often can a person be wrong? I don't know but you're breaking records :)
Articles such as

WJS | Keystone Kops Collusion [paywalled]
By the Editorial Board
Updated July 12, 2017 10:12 a.m. ET
President Trump’s critics claim to have uncovered proof, finally, of 2016 collusion between the campaign and the Kremlin.
Another reading of the meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a well-connected Russian lawyer is, well, political farce.
This set of hard hitting revelations does have have makings of a cheese[y]burger order:

hold the tomato, hold the lettuce, hold the cheese, hold the patty, and hold the bun.
You're citing the WSJ's editorial board? :lol:
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Typhoon wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Pravda was easily proven wrong by objective observers. The NYT is high quality by any objective standard. It beats every conservative publication :)
"Objective observers" and "Objective standards".

Translations. "People who agree with me" and "Views that do not differ from my own".
Facts are facts. Their record of publishing factual content is hardly in dispute here. Every time a revelation is dropped, the Trump Davidians cry "fake news", but then it virtually always turns out to be factually true.
The NY Times today, with its over-the-top histrionics, makes the turgid agitprop of past Pravda seem tame by comparison.
Where were the over-the-top histrionics in the article about Donnie Jr.'s meeting?
Dead wrong about the Republicrat Primary, dead wrong about the POTUS Election, and since then constantly promoting unsubstantiated allegations from "unnamed sources" which turn out to be worth bupkes. That and 70's style doomer porn.
The MSM was not "dead wrong". Trump's victory was within the margin of error and Clinton resoundingly defeated him in the popular vote count. Duh.

But hey, what do I know? I don't read "Reason" magazine (conservative agitprop).
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Simple Minded wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Pravda was easily proven wrong by objective observers. The NYT is high quality by any objective standard. It beats every conservative publication :)
"Objective observers" and "Objective standards".

Translations. "People who agree with me" and "Views that do not differ from my own".

The NY Times today, with its over-the-top histrionics, makes the turgid agitprop of past Pravda seem tame by comparison.

Quite a step down from "All the News that's Fit to Print" to "All the News that Fits We Print".

Dead wrong about the Republicrat Primary, dead wrong about the POTUS Election, and since then constantly promoting unsubstantiated allegations from "unnamed sources" which turn out to be worth bupkes. That and 70's style doomer porn.

All the while hemorrhaging money.
Once again, that's why we keep the NYT in NYC. Time to blow the bridges, tunnels, and mine the waterways to quarantine the contagion?

People who aren't drinking from the locally doped water supply need not subscribe. Maybe the National Enquirer will buy the NYT.....
At the end of the day, you all cite the MSM: the Associated Press, Reuters, and the papers of record. You don't have any alternative news sources.
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Can you now see why you are the superminority party? Lol little cute Democrats this morning think a minority party can impeach a president for a legal act committed by said President's son. But muh Reuters!
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Lol for liberals confused why no one is impeached or going to jail.

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Nonc Hilaire wrote:I cannot remember the last time I watched network news or read a newspaper. I do not think am an outlier, either. The media really is failing rapidly.
Don't be so hard on the yute, Nonc.

NYC coastal elitists thinking everything in the NYT is gospel, is no different that a Born Again Christian thinking the New Testament is gospel.

If one wishes to practice either faith, the respective sources are true by definition.

The science is settled. ;)
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Simple Minded wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:I cannot remember the last time I watched network news or read a newspaper. I do not think am an outlier, either. The media really is failing rapidly.

Don't be so hard on the yute, Nonc.

NYC coastal elitists thinking everything in the NYT is gospel, is no different that a Born Again Christian thinking the New Testament is gospel.

If one wishes to practice either faith, the respective sources are true by definition.

The science is settled. ;)


OK..... But a religion that only believes in devils?
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E Europe, W Europe, East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, or Kansai, the SFRs still apply.

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Zack Morris wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Zack Morris wrote:Pravda was easily proven wrong by objective observers. The NYT is high quality by any objective standard. It beats every conservative publication :)
"Objective observers" and "Objective standards".

Translations. "People who agree with me" and "Views that do not differ from my own".
Facts are facts. Their record of publishing factual content is hardly in dispute here. Every time a revelation is dropped, the Trump Davidians cry "fake news", but then it virtually always turns out to be factually true.
The NY Times today, with its over-the-top histrionics, makes the turgid agitprop of past Pravda seem tame by comparison.
Where were the over-the-top histrionics in the article about Donnie Jr.'s meeting?
Dead wrong about the Republicrat Primary, dead wrong about the POTUS Election, and since then constantly promoting unsubstantiated allegations from "unnamed sources" which turn out to be worth bupkes. That and 70's style doomer porn.
The MSM was not "dead wrong". Trump's victory was within the margin of error and Clinton resoundingly defeated him in the popular vote count. Duh.

But hey, what do I know?
A good question.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ecast.html

Even a rank foreigner such as I understands that to win a POTUS election one has to win the Electoral College not the popular vote.

Clinton's entourage evidently did not.
I don't read "Reason" magazine (conservative agitprop).
I find the Grauniad and the NY Times mostly risible, but I still read both when time permits.

Therein lies a difference.
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Zack Morris wrote: . . .
At the end of the day, you all cite the MSM: the Associated Press, Reuters, and the papers of record. You don't have any alternative news sources.
I do and could

http://www.nikkei.com/

http://www.kyodonews.jp/

but it would be a bit rude.
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Zack Morris wrote: But hey, what do I know? I don't read "Reason" magazine (conservative agitprop).
Saying things like this suggests you don't read period.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Zack Morris wrote: But hey, what do I know? I don't read "Reason" magazine (conservative agitprop).
Saying things like this suggests you don't read period.
Personally, I don't blame Zack a bit. Can you imagine walking around NYC with a copy of Reason Magazine under your arm, you'd never get laid! ;)
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I just returned from a few days in Brooklyn and the level of groupthink in NYC is astounding. There is also TV news everywhere. I can see how it might explain how HRC only got support in a few deep but isolated population islands.
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Suuuure you did.

Don't know what part of Brooklyn you were in where TV news was "everywhere". I rarely venture into hipster territory but each time I've been to Greenpoint, Williamsburg, etc., I recall small corner stores, trendy clothing shops, bars, cafes, and restaurants, *none* of which had TVs let alone TV news. Did the Hasidic neighborhood have TVs everywhere? What about the Russian stores in Bay Ridge? Groupthink? Hah!

How about Manhattan? You can probably find the news at hotels but it's just as likely to be CNBC. Bars, restaurants, cafes, and the subway system, which is where most New Yorkers spend time outside of work, don't have it. I guess taxis often carry the local news, though.

I see a lot of tv news in flyover country: in the little TVs embedded into each pump, at the bank, airports, etc.

Your claim is basically totally BS and probably a complete fabrication.
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HRCs support correlated with educational attainment. The Trump Davidians are the ones exhibiting the group think: culturally homogeneous, poorly educated, and poorly traveled.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Zack Morris wrote: But hey, what do I know? I don't read "Reason" magazine (conservative agitprop).
Saying things like this suggests you don't read period.
I think the problem is that I read too much and I'm just too clear-eyed to fall for the ruse that Reason represents some alternative to Republican orthodoxy. When Reason writers are penning op eds in the WSJ about tried and true right wing tropes, such as the nanny state ruining summer for children, you know it's officially jumped the shark.
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Zack Morris wrote:HRCs support correlated with educational attainment. The Trump Davidians are the ones exhibiting the group think: culturally homogeneous, poorly educated, and poorly traveled.
So tell me Zack Morris What would you progressivses do with the lives of the "culturally homogeneous, poorly educated, and poorly traveled." like me? OH I forgot for a moment....
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Zack Morris wrote:HRCs support correlated with educational attainment. The Trump Davidians are the ones exhibiting the group think: culturally homogeneous, poorly educated, and poorly traveled.
Really. Tell me about statistics of black and Hispanic Americans and their education level and travels to Europe.
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Zack Morris wrote: I think the problem is that I read too much and I'm just too clear-eyed to fall for the ruse that Reason represents some alternative to Republican orthodoxy. When Reason writers are penning op eds in the WSJ about tried and true right wing tropes, such as the nanny state ruining summer for children, you know it's officially jumped the shark.
Lol that's how you attained superminority status without realizing it? By reading too much? Lulz.

But muh Reuters!
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Zack Morris wrote:HRCs support correlated with educational attainment. The Trump Davidians are the ones exhibiting the group think: culturally homogeneous, poorly educated, and poorly traveled.
Oh?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... exit-polls

Among the more startling data to emerge from the [exit] polls:

White voters, who make up 69% of the total, voted 58% for Trump and 37% for Clinton. Non-white voters, who make up 31% of the electorate, voted 74% for Clinton and 21% for Trump.

White men opted 63% for Trump and 31% for Clinton; white women voted 53% for Trump and 43% for Clinton.

Among non-college-educated whites, 67% voted for Trump – 72% of men and 62% of women.

Among college-educated whites, 45% voted for Clinton – 39% of men and 51% of women (the only white demographic represented in the poll where the former secretary of state came out on top).

But 54% of male college graduates voted for Trump, as did 45% of female college graduates.

More 18- to 29-year-old whites voted for Trump (48%) than Clinton (43%).

And this is The Grauniad.

Apparently the accurate details will not be known until the US Census Board completes crunching the numbers.

The regressive-progressive stereotypes regarding Trump voters do not hold up under examination.
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Zack Morris wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Zack Morris wrote: But hey, what do I know? I don't read "Reason" magazine (conservative agitprop).
Saying things like this suggests you don't read period.
I think the problem is that I read too much and I'm just too clear-eyed to fall for the ruse that Reason represents some alternative to Republican orthodoxy. When Reason writers are penning op eds in the WSJ about tried and true right wing tropes, such as the nanny state ruining summer for children, you know it's officially jumped the shark.
Nice bit of legerdemain.

Start with Reason being conservative agitprop then slip into talking about Republicans, an omnibus party of more than American conservatives, without missing a beat.

Your right about the Republican orthodoxy bit though.

Problem is, they are the orthodoxy, at least when it comes for the chattering class.

Libertarians have been influential on our right and left for a whole generation now.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:I just returned from a few days in Brooklyn and the level of groupthink in NYC is astounding. There is also TV news everywhere. I can see how it might explain how HRC only got support in a few deep but isolated population islands.
Yep. The NYC effect is a thing of beauty. I think the water supply is doped. Not so much of a group think, in my experience, but of a religious cult of arrogance, superiority, general hatred of humanity, and condescension. I think it is peer pressure and cosmic justice.

“So, what brought you to NYC?” “Karma!”

I recall a conversation with my niece after she spent a couple years in NYC. She was telling me about a movie she watched, Inglorious Basterds. She was using all the intellectual, artsy-fartsy, verbiage one would expect from a professional movie critic, then closed with “but I don’t think people living outside of NYC will be smart enough to understand this movie.” A couple years after she moved to Italy, I reminded her of her NYC worldliness. She replied “I said THAT? REALLY? Oh well, that’s what living in NYC will do to you!” The same person who informed me that the word “oriental” was considered racist term by enlightened people.

I recall another conversation with a friend who has lived in multiple cities. I told him “now that you live on Long Island, you’re more of an asshole than when you lived in Monroe County, but much, much, less of an asshole than when you lived in NYC.” He got quiet for a minute, then laughed and said, “You’re absolutely right. If you’re not an asshole when you get to NYC, you will learn how to become one shortly. No place I have ever lived brings out the asshole in humanity like NYC.”

This is stereotyping, of course, which is not always true (but true for 60-80% of the people I know who have lived in NYC & elsewhere). True often enough that Hollywood, and comedians have pushed it as a theme for decades. Middle Americans are nice, trustworthy, salt of the Earth types, NYCers are miserable, crooked, dog-eat-dog, self-centered bastards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A27PQDn2AAQ

Nonc, next time you’re in NYC, if you really want to screw with their heads, use terms like “please,” “thank you,” and hold the door for people behind you. It will trigger them to the edge of insanity. ;)

Personally, I love it. Celebrate diversity. American culture? Really? Which Zipcode?

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Maybe it's just me, but I have always found NY'ers to be exceptionally polite, outgoing and personal. Lots of pleasant banter in interactions.

Brooklyn especially. Manhattan can be like a crowded public swimming pool, but that is friendly too in it's own way.
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