Extremism in the USA

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Mr. Perfect wrote:We already have gun control in the US and it already doesn't work.
Gun control works, but not the way people want it to. It simply makes it easier to jail people the police find with guns.

It would be interesting to see racial stats on people convicted of gun control related crimes. Not sure where one would go to find that.
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Alexis wrote:Gentlemen...

Ye all gun controllers and gun supporters...

If I tell you that you are all very ( :roll: ) predictible... will you feel offended?

If I suggest that when discussing the same issue again and again means jumping into the very same trenches again and again, WWI-like, and not moving an inch either way, in spite of much fire and noise, it would be better to abstain and just agree to disagree... will you be angered?

If I finally suggest to quit your disputes and come with me to broaden our minds... will you follow?

Lawrence? :mrgreen:
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This body language lady is fanatical but she's right about one thing: the brother is not telling the full truth on what he knows

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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:We already have gun control in the US and it already doesn't work.
Gun control works, but not the way people want it to. It simply makes it easier to jail people the police find with guns.

It would be interesting to see racial stats on people convicted of gun control related crimes. Not sure where one would go to find that.
We have plenty of black people in prison already.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Rubbish .. Hommicde rate going down has ZERO to do with people owning gun ..

Are in Europe criminals killing innocent citizens because nobody is armed ?

Am sure number of individual with arm preventing another criminal with arm is off the chart below ZERO

Once I was rubbed on the street for my watch (in France) .. police told me, I am an idi*t confronting the attacker, I should have taking off my watch and handed to the rubber (police told me so), very very wise advice (that is what I am going to do in the future) .. do I want to be dead for a watch

Come on, Mr. Perfect, come on .. grow up .. arms do not give u any security from professional criminal .. the criminal best weapon is "surprise" , when attack happens you in "disadvantage", you really want to be dead but not lose your valet .. come on

Arms should be outlawed, 1000% so .. really st*pid that Americans still debating this issue.

I rather be rubbed than be dead confronting a criminal .. You guys seems not value life


What will it take to change US gun laws?

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Lol Azari loves Iran, how many times do you want to lose this debate? In America gun ownership and rights have been surging, while crime falls. In America we have "gun control" in Dc, Baltimore, Chicage, Central LA, result is enormous homicide. Already have gun control, already doesn't work.

However, States like Utah, Idaho, Vermont, New Hampshire, blue and red states, murder rate down less than Europe, yet NO GUN LAWS AT ALL, and almost EVERYONE PACKING HEAT>

Americans listen to your argument, laugh.

To celebrate, this weekend we will be going to the range, DOZENS of guns and we will shoot HUNDREDS of bullets, and I will think of you. :)
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:This body language lady is fanatical but she's right about one thing: the brother is not telling the full truth on what he knows

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Wide range of opinion on this bro.

Not sure what to think. This one has me stumped.
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Stumped too. My wild guesstimate: brother Erik knows about and is probably complicit in some other shady crimes Stephen was involved with. Arms trade a good possibility. Casinos of course deeply involved in lots of shady stuff and home too equally shady individuals. Extortion.

The man traveling around a lot, keeping to himself. Of course. Their father a psychopath who was so good in persuasion that he persuaded a Judge to let him off the hook despite evidence. Erik tries to paint his bro as a normal nice guy and wants to look baffled. He probably is, but he just too often wants to emphasise how normal Stephen always appeared and that he did this alone and had enough money to do whatever he wanted and make things happen he wanted to happen. So it is likely Erik is hiding something, but probably that concerns crimes in the past where Erik was complicit. By telling how strong and independent Stephen Always was, he tries to talk himself off the rader.

One moment in the interview I found odd. Erik talks most of the time in hysteric fashion with a high pitch regularly, but the moment he starts to explain automatic weapens.. his voice quiets and slows down getting a lower pitch. He said something like that "people don't know what it means to operate an automatic weapon." This tells me Erik was/is involved with his brother in something shady; at least he is trying to hide something.

As to the motive: I think people in the underworld were blackmailing, extorting him. Threatened to snitch and/or kill, family, his girlfriend. He basically was full of resentment and rage, somehow knowing his life as a decent citizen would soon be over anyways. I don't think he was a Trump supporter or convert to Islam. But probably vulnerable to psychotic attacks and an amount of psychopathological malfunction. If at all ideologically motivated he maybe simply got inspired by any and all terrorist attacks or mass shootings.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:This body language lady is fanatical but she's right about one thing: the brother is not telling the full truth on what he knows

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Wide range of opinion on this bro.

Not sure what to think. This one has me stumped.
on the video or the incident?

On the video: I don't know about all the insinuations about the brother being involved (even as she says it half-jokingly, ) and I'm not sure about all these political/cultural motives everyone is ready to see in this guy. Heck, body language people are somewhere between handwriting experts and palm readers....

But, that guy knows something. His brother made some final arrangement or even verbalized something-- and he didn't lift a finger about it; could of mistaken it as someone blowing off steam....but it's there.
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Parodite wrote:Stumped too. My wild guesstimate: brother Erik knows about and is probably complicit in some other shady crimes Stephen was involved with. Arms trade a good possibility. Casinos of course deeply involved in lots of shady stuff and home too equally shady individuals. Extortion.

The man traveling around a lot, keeping to himself. Of course. Their father a psychopath who was so good in persuasion that he persuaded a Judge to let him off the hook despite evidence. Erik tries to paint his bro as a normal nice guy and wants to look baffled. He probably is, but he just too often wants to emphasise how normal Stephen always appeared and that he did this alone and had enough money to do whatever he wanted and make things happen he wanted to happen. So it is likely Erik is hiding something, but probably that concerns crimes in the past where Erik was complicit. By telling how strong and independent Stephen Always was, he tries to talk himself off the rader.

One moment in the interview I found odd. Erik talks most of the time in hysteric fashion with a high pitch regularly, but the moment he starts to explain automatic weapens.. his voice quiets and slows down getting a lower pitch. He said something like that "people don't know what it means to operate an automatic weapon." This tells me Erik was/is involved with his brother in something shady; at least he is trying to hide something.

As to the motive: I think people in the underworld were blackmailing, extorting him. Threatened to snitch and/or kill, family, his girlfriend. He basically was full of resentment and rage, somehow knowing his life as a decent citizen would soon be over anyways. I don't think he was a Trump supporter or convert to Islam. But probably vulnerable to psychotic attacks and an amount of psychopathological malfunction. If at all ideologically motivated he maybe simply got inspired by any and all terrorist attacks or mass shootings.
I think you may be right about it being about other shady business. He's made it very, very clear that his brother was his meal ticket to riches (he deserves) for being (to paraphrase about describing his teenage years) "smart enough to hang around dumber kids who'd get caught". Seems to be a guy who still likes to think of himself as cleaver, cleaverer and cleverest than the average bear.

...and the high voice/low voice change raised red flags with me too. 'Specially after he just said the day before that he didn't know nothing about no guns and neither did his brother...it was part of his whole, "I've not seen him in quite a while/I helped him move and he had a few handguns and a shotgun in a safe. I don't know that much about it."

Now it's "We've been shooting guns since we were teenagers and I've taken my kids to the range and have tried out a variety of guns and...and...and..."

In other words, he is neither naive nor a novice about them; even if he's not an expert. And neither was his brother.

So at the very least, he has already demonstrated that he will lie about minor things if he thinks its advantageous.
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:lol:

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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:This body language lady is fanatical but she's right about one thing: the brother is not telling the full truth on what he knows

Qg_Z-oEEt-c
Spent about 2 minutes skimming this up to the 6 minute mark. Don't know about his brother, but I would not sell a gun to this guy. Spider sense is tingling.

On his behalf, I do have to say, he is probably in the most stressful situation of his entire life right now.

Either the gunman was nuts, and one should not expect patterns that make sense, or something else is going on here. False flag? Seems much too complex a situation for a single person to implement.

Shades of the 2016 POTUS election....... the experts are stumped!

Now up to minute 19, goose bumps on arms, spider sense is screaming........ this guy is creep-city!

finished, yep, the brother knows a lot more than he is telling. Too dramatic to be believable.

thanks for posting Nap.
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Mr. Perfect wrote: Lol Azari loves Iran, how many times do you want to lose this debate? In America gun ownership and rights have been surging, while crime falls. In America we have "gun control" in Dc, Baltimore, Chicage, Central LA, result is enormous homicide. Already have gun control, already doesn't work.

However, States like Utah, Idaho, Vermont, New Hampshire, blue and red states, murder rate down less than Europe, yet NO GUN LAWS AT ALL, and almost EVERYONE PACKING HEAT>

Americans listen to your argument, laugh.

To celebrate, this weekend we will be going to the range, DOZENS of guns and we will shoot HUNDREDS of bullets, and I will think of you. :)
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Comparing Las Vegas Attack With Daily Gun Deaths in U.S. Cities


Scary, indeed


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Indeed. USA WAY to dengerous for Azari, or even Persian?Canadan. Travel ban is blessing in disguise.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Indeed. USA WAY to dengerous for Azari, or even Persian?Canadan. Travel ban is blessing in disguise.
It was done to make the children of the world safer.

Wall will keep mad dog Americans in their own yard. Like Berlin wall.

You'd think the whole world would fund it!
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a-o9pwWUzz0

Well, ok :) Thanks to OTNOT I did change my mind a reasonable deal, but this is how Urpans tend to look at it.
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Parodite wrote:a-o9pwWUzz0

Well, ok :) Thanks to OTNOT I did change my mind a reasonable deal, but this is how Urpans tend to look at it.
:lol: :lol: See! The wall is for your own good. Very unselfish act of POTUS Trump. Thought you Yurps liked Altruists?

Outstanding! Thanks for posting!

Warning, it does not start with a simple Colt, but usually with airguns! You are probably in stage 1, wait, Kid Rock video, definitely stage 2.......:o :shock:

You might want to amputate your trigger fingers today........ Be part of the solution, not part of the problem! :P

Reminds me that the Urpan Endovelico reads about gun violence in Chicago, and vows never to set foot in the continental US again, while the non-Urpan Typhoon (who, perhaps self-identifies as some sort of invisible Ninja or invincible Samurai) frequently, visits the very center of the killing fields. People, what can you do?
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I will say this. This Vegas shooting had an effect on me, meaning the other shootings previous had none. I am intimately familiar with crime and gun statistics in the US, and on any given weekend in a Democrat city like Chicago or DC there is a tragedy. A dozen here or there at a school or bar somewhere is not a drop in the bucket and I have no idea why we do national grieving over some murder but not others.

This time though I had an emotional response and it took me awhile to sort out my thoughts. Whether it be a school shooting in the US, a street shooting or rape spree in Europe, or a bomb in London I think what we are seeing is not good. In the US the MSM focuses on the way you were killed. In Europe they try to focus away from Islam. But by running these through MSM templates we are doing ourselves a huge disservice.

A determined criminal in any country can find the means of killing, that is proven. Vehicle, bomb, automatic firearm.

Whether a Muslim in Europe targeting native whites or a Democrat in American targeting GOP congressmen, or a madman in Nevada targeting random public gatherings I think what we are seeing is simply spectacle killings in the age of social media.

This will get worse. I think underlying all of these is a need for attention of some kind. In a social media age where anyone can livestream at a touch the pressure to one up will lead to bigger and bigger scale.

This is simply naked evil for which the only defense is randomness and what the odds are.
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Parodite wrote:a-o9pwWUzz0

Well, ok :) Thanks to OTNOT I did change my mind a reasonable deal, but this is how Urpans tend to look at it.
It is weird to see that much ignorance though.
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Informative statistics would be

1. firearm ownership; and

2. the homicide rate due to firearms

per capita for each county [or parish, if Louisiana] in the US.

Are such stats available?

This site does a good analysis of Chicago.
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Simple Minded wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Indeed. USA WAY to dengerous for Azari, or even Persian?Canadan. Travel ban is blessing in disguise.
It was done to make the children of the world safer.

Wall will keep mad dog Americans in their own yard. Like Berlin wall.

You'd think the whole world would fund it!
Or heaven forbid Children accidently wander into the US for lack of a wall to protect them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fed ... nt-crisis/
Unaccompanied children crossing southern border in greater numbers again, raising fears of new migrant crisis
And that isn't even covering the gun culture here in large democratically controlled cities.

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Democrats love their sex predators.
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Typhoon wrote:Informative statistics would be

1. firearm ownership; and

2. the homicide rate due to firearms

per capita for each county [or parish, if Louisiana] in the US.

Are such stats available?

This site does a good analysis of Chicago.
the problem with collecting accurate data is that it tends to destroy "one size fits all" narratives.
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