A boil that needs lancing . . . Weinstein et al.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Yes, a very clear difference between rape and a pat on the butt: one should result in prison time and the other in being fired. And that's what's happening. This is a generational thing. It's baby boomers and older Gen Xers getting their comeuppance.

It's totally inappropriate for people in positions of power to "flirt" with subordinates in the office. Plenty of ways to get some elsewhere. No need to bring it into the office.

[beavis&butthead]comeuppance[/beavis&butthead]

[Doc]

Yes, a very clear difference between rape and a pat on the butt: one should result in prison time and the other in being fired. And that's what's happening. This is a generational thing. It's baby boomers and older Gen Xers getting their comeuppance.

It's totally inappropriate for people in positions of power to "flirt" with subordinates in the office. Plenty of ways to get some elsewhere. No need to bring it into the office.

Your blind faith is touching me Zack. Stop it.

[Simple Minded]

Yes, a very clear difference between rape and a pat on the butt: one should result in prison time and the other in being fired. And that's what's happening. This is a generational thing. It's baby boomers and older Gen Xers getting their comeuppance.

It's totally inappropriate for people in positions of power to "flirt" with subordinates in the office. Plenty of ways to get some elsewhere. No need to bring it into the office.

Your blind faith is touching me Zack. Stop it.

My take is not only was your virtual body language begging for it, but you also loved every minute of it!

Zack's right. The generation and a half he describes have been abusing their power for centuries....... finally, the SJW's have found something useful to do.

#JohnConyersisjustanotheregginouromelet

[Typhoon]

Yes, a very clear difference between rape and a pat on the butt: one should result in prison time and the other in being fired. And that's what's happening. This is a generational thing. It's baby boomers and older Gen Xers getting their comeuppance.

So does the new new generation consider a social media accusation sufficient, no due process required?

[Zack Morris]

Yes, a very clear difference between rape and a pat on the butt: one should result in prison time and the other in being fired. And that's what's happening. This is a generational thing. It's baby boomers and older Gen Xers getting their comeuppance.

So does the new new generation consider a social media accusation sufficient, no due process required?

No. Of course not. Have you actually been following what has been going on? A mere accusation is insufficient. It requires credible corroboration, which has been the case in all of the recent high profile revelations. None of the accused have offered denials or evidence to the contrary. They've conceded, often in full. Is this not "due process"? After all, we are free to speak truthfully. Were someone to level a false accusation, a slander, then it would become a legal matter, subject to legal due process. In fact, one of the great and most credible newspapers on the planet, the Washington Post, which broke the Alabama GOPedophile scandal, also exposed a fraudulent attempt at creating a false accusation against the pedophile. Process where process is due!

And as for the private workplace, you can thank the libertarian Randroids you like to cite so frequently as of late It's hilarious to watch the same intellectual class of people who would argue that the Civil Rights was a violation of one's personal right to discriminate (Mr. Perfect would call this an example of 'natural law') suddenly become horrified that employers can terminate employees at will for allegations of sexual misconduct. Given that conservative/libertarian-leaning publications are staffed largely by gross old white guys, one can't help but wonder whether they perceive the new social order as a very personal threat to the way they would prefer to conduct themselves. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.

I'll bet that within about 10-20 years, the same thing is going to happen in your neck of the woods. Probably not in the exact manner as here, but the patriarchy is going to be back on its heels.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Pamela Anderson
stands by her Harvey Weinstein comments


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 88276.html

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ms-1063502


Look, guys , today, in Hollywood , most respected movie artist, can not be distinguished from Porno artist .. now BJ and penetration pretty much mainstream , even with best benefit of doubt can not distinguish the real stuff from "simulation" in Hollywood, some Hollywood movies now more hot than vanilla Pornos ..

Look, Mr. American Joe, movie you watching is cut for YOU, there a few other "cuts" for "special" people, blue blood people .. on those "Other cuts", since 1900, things as porno as you get .. all those movies, when hot scenes were made, only a few were allowed to stay in the room, that happened with all top movie stars, Elizabeth Tailor and and and (and they loved it), no exception .. that is Hollywood .. that is what Americans want to watch .. Am sure CS (from stuff he posts on "beautiful woman") loves that Hollywood stuff.

You want high end stuff, watch Iranian movies .. they now # 1 in high end stuff.

Pamela is right, in Hollywood, girls go up the ladder by "bed hopping", that IS the rule .. don't like the heat ? get out of the kitchen .. when and if for the same role 200+ qualified girls are available, the one "wildest" in bed (showing her "acting" skills) usually gets the job, that was always so, will stay so no matter what.

This Weinstein rubbish just political, to attack "Liberal democracy" .. Hollywood is flag bearer of "liberalism" .. that with Charley Rose fishy too, absolutely political .. all this same game a Assange rape rubbish CIA stunt.

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[Zack Morris]

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Pamela is right, in Hollywood, girls go up the ladder by "bed hopping", that IS the rule .. don't like the heat ? get out of the kitchen .. when and if for the same role 100+ qualified girls are available, the one best in bed (with most decision makers) usually gets the job, that was always so and will stay so no matter what.

This Weinstein rubbish just political, to attack "Liberal democracy" .. Hollywood is flag bearer of "liberalism" .. that with Charley Rose fishy too, absolutely political .. all this same game a Assange rape rubbish CIA stunt.

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You're wrong about this. It's a "rule" that women obviously don't like, and you're engaging in victim blaming here. People have decided they've had enough of this crap and are changing the rules. Which leaves anyone making this silly "they knew what they were getting into" argument in the indefensible position of defending a horrible system for no conceivable reason other than that they must prefer it. So is this what you're saying: that you prefer that women bed-hop their way up the career ladder rather than having to listen to the press shame powerful rapists for a few months?

I just don't get this mentality.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Pamela is right, in Hollywood, girls go up the ladder by "bed hopping", that IS the rule .. don't like the heat ? get out of the kitchen .. when and if for the same role 200+ qualified girls are available, the one "wildest" in bed (showing her "acting" skills) usually gets the job, that was always so, will stay so no matter what.

This Weinstein rubbish just political, to attack "Liberal democracy" .. Hollywood is flag bearer of "liberalism" .. that with Charley Rose fishy too, absolutely political .. all this same game a Assange rape rubbish CIA stunt.

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You're wrong about this. It's a "rule" that women obviously don't like, and you're engaging in victim blaming here. People have decided they've had enough of this crap and are changing the rules. Which leaves anyone making this silly "they knew what they were getting into" argument in the indefensible position of defending a horrible system for no conceivable reason other than that they must prefer it. So is this what you're saying: that you prefer that women bed-hop their way up the career ladder rather than having to listen to the press shame powerful rapists for a few months?

I just don't get this mentality.

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"Zack Morris", say, you decided to become a professional BOXER .. you get a bloody nose, teeth knocked out , eye becomes blue

You a victim of violence ?

Can a porno movie artist sue that she had to have sex with the producer to get the role ? ? the producr could argue he was checking her acting skills.

Sex now a "commodity", good for "exchange", similar to "BitCoin", welcome to western culture

Mistake to call these girls in Hollywood getting roles by "bed hopping" VICTIM .. what is the difference giving that BJ and penetration during AND before doing the scene ? ?

FYI, all porno stars these days are considered "respectable" mainstream movie artists, lots of picture with even ex president of our beloved U.S. of A.

Hollywood intentionally now blurred the line between Porno and not .. same industry now

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[Zack Morris]

"Zack Morris" , assuming you decided to become a professional BOXER .. you get a blody nose, teeth knocked out , eye becomes blue

You a victim of violence ?

Wrong analogy. Here's a better one: Assume I decide to become a boxer and my manager insists, privately and secretly, that I come up to his hotel room so that he can personally knock my teeth out or otherwise I don't get to fight.

Victim? Certainly.

Can a porno movie artist sue that she had to have sex with the producer to get the role ? ?

Sure. Why not? A porn star wants to act in a porn movie. If the producer wants to f*ck her, he should also be a porn actor.

Your analogies are ridiculous. If this were "normal" or "expected", it would truly be out in the open. So why was it always kept secret? Guess what -- the average early 20-something who dreams of getting into the acting biz is not expecting to have to sleep with people to do it, and if he or she ends up being propositioned by some sleazy producer, feels disgusted and horrified. And contrary to your strange assertion that Hollywood movies are all about sex, most movies are not about sex and do not involve racy sex scenes.

Mistake to call these girls in Hollywood getting roles by "bed hopping" VICTIM .. what is the difference giving that BJ and penetration during AND before doing the scene ? ?

There's a huge difference between a purely consensual and desirable act and a coerced one. How can you be so dense?

Hollywood intentionally now blurred the line between Porno and not .. same industry now

Completely false. The industries are totally different and there is virtually no movement of acting "talent" between the two.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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If you decide to become a professional boxer, the boss can ask you box first with him to see whether you have what it takes to be professional boxer .. in that process, the boss could bloody your nose and knock a few teeth out of you

Same with a professional porno artist, the producer could say, as giving BJ and sex is the main subject of the movie, he has to check and be convinced that the artist good at giving BJ and sex, he must test it, a reasonable argument .. and .. there are many porno movies re that subject that producer have sex with artist to check them whether they good at what will be the main subject of their investment in the movie.

If all is known upfront in an industry, like in Hollywood, a girl knows upfront the game. Nobody forces a girl to climb the "Hollywood ladder" by bed hopping, she knows this will put her ahead of other 500 drop dead girls in line up, she doing it by her own choice.

Hollywood not same as British or Spanish or Iranian Movie Industry .. different kind of Movies, no need of real artistic skills .. look at British artist, all Shakespeare school graduates, highly intellectual, same with Italian and french AND Iranian .. Hollywood different audience, that is what Americans want, that is what makes money in US , SEX (and violence) .. well, if so, why the girls complaining ? ? they know the game .. when Weinstein asks a girl to come to his Hotel room, not many serious girl would go to a mans hotel room alone if not for "eventual" consensual sex

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[Zack Morris]

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If you decide to become a professional boxer, the boss can ask you box first with him to see whether you have what it takes to be professional boxer .. in that process, the boss could bloody your nose and knock a few teeth out of you

Not in his hotel room, alone, with you naked. A qualifying bout with a coach or opponent is very different from secret, coercive, exploitation.

Same with a professional porno artist, the producer could say, as giving BJ and sex is the main subject of the movie, he has to check and be convinced that the artist good at giving BJ and sex, he must test it, a reasonable argument .. and .. there are many porno movies re that subject that producer have sex with artist to check them whether they good at what will be the main subject of their investment in the movie.

This is stupid for a number of reasons. Having sex is not the same thing as having sex on camera. A pornographer can assess prospective talent in any number of ways that do not involve having sex with the talent: looking at a portfolio of previous work, performing a trial shoot with an actor. In some cases, the producer is the actor, of course.

If all is known upfront in an industry, like in Hollywood, a girl knows upfront the game. Nobody forces a girl to climb the "Hollywood ladder" by bed hopping, she knows this will put her ahead of other 500 drop dead girls in line up, she doing it by her own choice.

That's BS. What if your daughter was passionate about film and wanted to act? Why should she not be allowed to do so without having to violate herself? Acting has nothing to do with having sex (although I think I've already deconstructed your ludicrous argument re: pornographers).

People can be coerced or taken advantage of in any number of ways that do not require overt force. Some people are strong enough to walk away but nobody should have to be put into that position in the first place. And keep in mind that what you're forgetting here is that the women who walked away and never got a call back are victims in their own right, having been denied consideration based on their merits because of sleazebag gatekeepers. It's not defensible.

Bottom line: nobody benefited from this stupid system except for a tiny handful of hideously unattractive men. Lots of people benefit from the new regime. Bring on the crucifixions!

[Nonc Hilaire]

SAG has made a statement but they seem to have no intention of standing up for membership. They simply advise never auditioning alone with a director.

[Simple Minded]

Can a porno movie artist sue that she had to have sex with the producer to get the role ? ?

Sure. Why not? A porn star wants to act in a porn movie. If the producer wants to f*ck her, he should also be a porn actor.

Zack's idea is brilliant. If Harvey was smart enough to have secret cameras during these escapades, he could put together a documentary "exposing" the corruption of Hollywood.

Wham, bam, thank you M'aam, overnight, he goes from pervert to SJW hero!

[Zack Morris]

Can a porno movie artist sue that she had to have sex with the producer to get the role ? ?

Sure. Why not? A porn star wants to act in a porn movie. If the producer wants to f*ck her, he should also be a porn actor.

Zack's idea is brilliant. If Harvey was smart enough to have secret cameras during these escapades, he could put together a documentary "exposing" the corruption of Hollywood.

Wham, bam, thank you M'aam, overnight, he goes from pervert to SJW hero!

What I want to know is why didn't Breitbart or Fox News expose Hollywood's corruption and "open secrets" before the New York Times?

[Heracleum Persicum]

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What I want to know is why didn't Breitbart or Fox News expose Hollywood's corruption and "open secrets" before the New York Times ?

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You bet the farm, Breitbart, FOX folks, in-closet perverts, they in heart "envy" Weinstein


Once upon a time, an American couple in New Port Beach hired a baby sitter from Hong Kong (an ugly Cantonese) .. the cantonese babysitter, hitting the ground giving BJ and the rest with the husband .. by year's end, Joe divorced his wife and married the babysitter, Bingo, "Green Card" in the mail.

Once she got the GC, she packed and left .. starting bed-hopping .. the classy beautiful blond Anna Murdoch was out, the baby sitter moves in, nailing things down somehow producing a baby from the 90+ man .. poor Tony Blair

Look, these men dream their whole life to be Weinstein, once they have the windfall, they step out of the closet .. it ain't the sex, not at all, it is rewarding themselves, satisfaction they now "somebody" with power .. and .. if the price right, the girls take advantage of opportunity .. win-win.

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[Mr. Perfect]

It's totally inappropriate for people in positions of power to "flirt" with subordinates in the office. Plenty of ways to get some elsewhere. No need to bring it into the office.

You are truly hilarious.

[Mr. Perfect]

Once upon a time, an American couple in New Port Beach hired a baby sitter from Hong Kong (an ugly Cantonese) .. the cantonese babysitter, hitting the ground giving BJ and the rest with the husband .. by year's end, Joe divorced his wife and married the babysitter, Bingo, "Green Card" in the mail.

This is completely in your imagination.

[Mr. Perfect]

What I want to know is why didn't Breitbart or Fox News expose Hollywood's corruption and "open secrets" before the New York Times?

This has been answered so many times.

All the victims were liberals, so obviously would go to liberal outlets.

The real question is why so many liberal outlets sat on these stories for over a decade.

But I think we know the answer to that, don't we.

[Doc]

Can a porno movie artist sue that she had to have sex with the producer to get the role ? ?

Sure. Why not? A porn star wants to act in a porn movie. If the producer wants to f*ck her, he should also be a porn actor.

Zack's idea is brilliant. If Harvey was smart enough to have secret cameras during these escapades, he could put together a documentary "exposing" the corruption of Hollywood.

Wham, bam, thank you M'aam, overnight, he goes from pervert to SJW hero!

What I want to know is why didn't Breitbart or Fox News expose Hollywood's corruption and "open secrets" before the New York Times?

Actually the NYT sat on the story for more than a decade

https://pagesix.com/2017/10/09/new-york ... y-in-2004/.

So did NBC.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10 ... tein-story

Imagine how many women were sexually abused by Weinstein because the NYT and NBC are fake news outlets

[Nonc Hilaire]

The fake news thing and the sex scandals are completely seperate things.

[Doc]

The fake news thing and the sex scandals are completely seperate things.

If it was covered up by the Fake News MSM they are a not separate things.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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The new wisdom is, now, FOX news is the "Fake News" and NYT is the "True News".

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[Simple Minded]

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The new wisdom is, now, FOX news is the "Fake News" and NYT is the "True News".

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Applying Occam's Chainsaw, it would follow that fake fake news is really true news.

Also that fake fake fake news is once again fake news.

Wisdom like beauty is in the eye, or perhaps ear, or maybe even the anal cavity of the consumer.

[noddy]

those that virtue signal on how independant and manly they are versus those that virtue signal on how many genders they have are always going to struggle to agree on the troof (tm)

[Simple Minded]

those that virtue signal on how independant and manly they are versus those that virtue signal on how many genders they have are always going to struggle to agree on the troof (tm)

that sounds racist or misogynist or something-o-phobic.... or at best insensitive.....

I'm gonna retreat to my safe space now, curl up in the fetal position, and suck my thumb for a while.