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A boil that needs lancing . . . Weinstein et al.

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The story with Weinstein is interesting from many angels .. political, sexual and social

If Weinstein wanted sex, he could have phoned and have the most beautiful girls come as "escorts" and have any kind of sex he wanted, L.A. full of those girls (many highly sophisticated, students in top universities).

But, Weinstein was not a f*cker, he wanted to "show off" his power, enjoyed humiliating those who he had power upon in his industry, he wanted to prove "to himself" he GOD in industry.

If a man sees a beautiful girl and would like to have sex with her, one starts with flirting, courtship, leading things to that direction, and, hope she too would look for that.

But, a girl coming for a business meeting, asking her up to your Hotel room, coming out of bathroom in bathrobe and promptly asking for a BJ it's pure show of power over the lady, ZERO to do with sex.

That phenomena is main reason for most of "rapist" .. raping is not about sex, but power over the victim

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

The story with Weinstein is interesting from many angels .. political, sexual and social

If Weinstein wanted sex, he could have phoned and have the most beautiful girls come as "escorts" and have any kind of sex he wanted, L.A. full of those girls (many highly sophisticated, students in top universities).

But, Weinstein was not a f*cker, he wanted to "show off" his power, enjoyed humiliating those who he had power upon in his industry, he wanted to prove "to himself" he GOD in industry.

If a man sees a beautiful girl and would like to have sex with her, one starts with flirting, courtship, leading things to that direction, and, hope she too would look for that.

But, a girl coming for a business meeting, asking her up to your Hotel room, coming out of bathroom in bathrobe and promptly asking for a BJ it's pure show of power over the lady, ZERO to do with sex.

That phenomena is main reason for most of "rapist" .. raping is not about sex, but power over the victim

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That's what everyone is saying but I doubt it.

Most people go into show business to hook up. Reasoning, is you have access to exclusive stuff. Expensive prostitutes look just as good or better than A list celebs. But not the same thrill.

Some are more aggressive than others.

Also liberalism is at play.
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liberal licentiousness....yes I get that. And it's a feather in the cap to turn around and score points off the bad behavior.

People go into show business because they have nothing else to do. Or they have some sort of psychological issue-- some much worse than others....a creative guy or gal with hypomania is probably not someone you want in your office 5 days a week doing your taxes but his months "on", months "off" condition is perfect for an entertainment/artist schedule. Of course, the person with full blown mania also gets involved in this sort of work but they usually fall apart at some point- even in Hollywood. Then of course, there are people who it is the family business...

The person who goes into it to get screwed usually does; especially financially, and doesn't have a long career.

Best friend growing up was the son of a well-seen actor and stage actresses.

I once asked him why he decided to go into acting and that's how he bluntly stated it, "I left X university with an English degree and I didn't want to get a real job. Then I met Mrs.Y and we started having kids, and I needed to make money; so I continued."
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I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

The story with Weinstein is interesting from many angels .. political, sexual and social

If Weinstein wanted sex, he could have phoned and have the most beautiful girls come as "escorts" and have any kind of sex he wanted, L.A. full of those girls (many highly sophisticated, students in top universities).

But, Weinstein was not a f*cker, he wanted to "show off" his power, enjoyed humiliating those who he had power upon in his industry, he wanted to prove "to himself" he GOD in industry.

If a man sees a beautiful girl and would like to have sex with her, one starts with flirting, courtship, leading things to that direction, and, hope she too would look for that.

But, a girl coming for a business meeting, asking her up to your Hotel room, coming out of bathroom in bathrobe and promptly asking for a BJ it's pure show of power over the lady, ZERO to do with sex.

That phenomena is main reason for most of "rapist" .. raping is not about sex, but power over the victim

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A distinction without a difference, as far as breaking the law is concerned. Has the defense of "I did not want to rape her for sex, but only for a show of power?" ever been tried in court.

I heard on the radio last night that HW had a clause written into his contract that he can't be fired for these instances of sexual misconduct, as long as he reimburses the company for each legal settlement plus $250K for the first offense, $500K for the second offense, $750K for the third offense, and $1M
for the fourth and all subsequent offenses. If true, the company might not have legal grounds to let him go, but once people stop buying the product, it might not matter in terms of corporate survival.

If true, is say a lot about what talent is perceived to be worth. If you have marketable talent, than that is just part of the cost of employing that person.
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Parodite wrote:I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
I see your point.

I think though, in this case, some of the women coming forward were 16, 17 years old and I do not know the consent laws in all of these places these incidents supposedly happened, but we are getting really close to statutory rape or, at least predation on girls who not mature enough to make those sort of calculations.
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Parodite wrote:I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
exactly, how to distinguish between rape and a business arrangement.

"I'm no better looking or more talented that the other girls trying to get this job, but if I have sex with you I get access that can multiple my income many times, but girls that don't put out don't get access to this income?"
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Let's not forget that it happens to men (and boys) too.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Let's not forget that it happens to men (and boys) too.
You want to rape me? Mildly feigned shock, actually pleasantly surprised, flattered and potentially excited!

What are you willing to pay? One time only, or is this potentially a career move on my part?

For the right money, I'll sign the paperwork! :)

I'm already doing contract work, and as I tell my employers "Contractors are like prostitutes. You don't pay a prostitute for what they do, you pay them to go away!" They get evaluated on utilization rates, so they already know this.

So we are really talking about the difference between prostitutes, and victims when you boil it all down.

Everybody likes to play the victim card, but for those of us who are honest...... the word victim does not appear on our business cards.... :P
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Weinstein case pretty much clear

but

What about the girls ! ! ! !

They knew about Weinstein, was no secret .. they knew this part of the deal .. AND ?

Did not occur in a vacuum
many around him were complicit or turned a blind eye



This HollyWood culture, part of Job description.


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This is the soul of liberalism on display.

This is the ideology of abortion, LGBTQXYZ, NAMBLA, Antifa, atheism, cultural marxism, hedonism and moral relativism in full flower.

These are people who commute on private jets and with bloodshot eyes invoke the wrath of God over MMGW, who preach socialist but live capitalist excess, who preach social justice and feminism while raping and molesting women and children all while deluging their native land with vulgarity debauchery and madness in entertainment products.

There is nothing in the history of conservative Republicanism that is 1% of this.

This is liberalism. This is cancer. This is evil. This is Satan.

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Parodite wrote:I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
It is not only illegal in Weinstein's case it is now proven it was a conspiracy. While he was given his victims $100,000 Weinstein's contract states that he had to give The Weinstein company $1 Million each time he settled with his victims out of court.

http://truepundit.com/harvey-weinsteins ... arassment/
Weinstein’s Company Profited Up To $1 Million Per Each Sexual Harassment Claim Against Harvey
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Accessory before the fact - That is some moral compass.
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http://americanlookout.com/documentary- ... beginning/
Documentary Filmmaker Says Harvey Weinstein Is Just the Beginning
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Mr. Perfect wrote:This is the soul of liberalism on display.

This is the ideology of abortion, LGBTQXYZ, NAMBLA, Antifa, atheism*, cultural marxism, hedonism and moral relativism in full flower.
I don't think so.
Wikiped. Louis B. Mayer was a staunch conservative, at one time the chairman of California's Republican party.
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Going further back, Hollywood in the pre Hays Code era was as wild, arguably more so, than today.
Posting risqué stills from films of that time will get one banned on social media today.

Looks like your confusing abuse of power and human nature with fashionable, at least in some circles, beliefs of the day.

*Amused that you spend so much time on a forum run by an incorrigible atheist.
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Wow. I had no idea you weren't following the story.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Wow. I had no idea you weren't following the story.
Only as much as is required as a mod.
Which reminds me that this stuff probably belong in your gossip column a.k.a. Celebrity Nutjobs.

With my dilettante interest in film and film history, thought I'd place this current scandal in historical context.
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A boil that needed lancing......

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There isn't a Harvey Weinstein thread, why isn't there a Harvey Weinstein thread? Here is my contribution:
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Edit: I don't know why it was here or here.........
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On the other hand, as Miss_Faucie_Fishtits created a thread for this topic, this stuff goes here.
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he showed the world the seriousness of the crime of being poor and irrelevant.
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Oracle Ana:

Harvey Weinstein :: Heavy Inert Swine
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noddy wrote:he showed the world the seriousness of the crime of being poor and irrelevant.

Amen. Never underestimate the equanimity of humility.
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Trump's advisors: "Stop tweeting! You are preventing the US MSM from focusing on Harvey Winestein!"

Winestein's advisors: "It's Wine-Stine!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
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Harvey Weinstein and the naked truth about Hollywood
The movie magnate is part of a culture in which we’re all complicit



Of the nine films nominated for best picture at the 2017 Academy Awards, only two unequivocally passed the Bechdel test, an evaluation, devised by Alison Bechdel and Liz Wallace, that requires a film to include two named female characters who must talk to each other about something other than a man. One was Arrival, which barely counts as the second female character, her daughter, is only named at the end. The other, Hidden Figures, is a biopic about black female mathematicians instrumental to the space programme in the 1960s. Did you see it? Probably not.

Meanwhile, sexually graphic content and scenes of sexual violence have become so prevalent we barely even notice it any more, let alone feel any outrage. Film is bad, but so is television — currently being trumpeted as inhabiting a golden age and funded with huge studio investments. I barely batted an eye while watching Westworld, in which men pay for the privilege of raping and shooting prostitute androids as a means to satisfy their most basic carnal desires. Game of Thrones sees women raped with each series. The new David Simon series, The Deuce, which describes the birth of the pornography industry in New York is produced and directed by women, but has so far essayed a mean cavalcade of female suffering. The shows have been hailed for their exploration of the psyche, their female performances hailed as brave. But for too many actresses a “brave” performance just means ripping off one’s bra.

That the Weinstein narrative has unfolded against the more general debasement of our screen culture cannot be coincidence — it’s a culture that, until last week, was being greenlit, produced and promoted by Weinstein. And yes, he is only one predator. And his predatory attitude may be extreme but it’s an expression of a more general misogyny in the entertainment industry — even though it now dresses it up as progressive. Weinstein may be gone, but female actors, scriptwriters and assistants are still being violated. Until the script changes we’re all complicit in the abuse.

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Hollywood frontrunner of Liberalism .. this sex stuff just excuse to dismantle liberalism's engine .. sort of, modern age "Kristallnacht". :lol:


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