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Re: The Baltics

Postby Doc » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:16 pm

Typhoon wrote:
Endovelico wrote:As Typhoon says elsewhere, Germans have so perfectly integrated in the US that some of their nazi genes have become part of US DNA... Must have been something in those cold, damp caves of northern Europe where they all come from... I prescribe a couple thousand years in a warm, sunny climate... :D


Impressive. Spoken like a true national-socialist.

Given the left's mistaken belief in genetic determinism and the existence of so-called "national sociatlist", "capitalist", "class" and other supposed genes,
it comes as no surprise that the left holds the record for the both the highest absolute number of people mass murdered {Stalin, Mao] and the highest percentage mass murdered [Pol Pot].

On can build a new and improved society by simply killing off the people carrying such supposdly undesirable genes and this belief rationalizes the mass murder employed.

Of course, from the point of genetics and biology it's complete nonsense, but it's too late for the dead.


Just to add that the Nazis were also socialists. Goebbels even said as much that Lenin was the greatest man in history second only to Hitler. But the Nazi rank and file didn't like that message so much so he dropped it.
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Endovelico » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:38 am

Lithuania to ban Russian TV channel for 'warmongering'
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Lithuania plans to take Russian-language station RTR Planeta off the air for three months for spreading Kremlin "propaganda." The Ukraine crisis has rekindled fears of Russia expanding its influence in the Baltic.

Lithuania's media regulator suspended RTR Planeta for "inciting discord, warmongering, spreading biased information," spokeswoman Birute Kersiene said.

"This program has repeatedly spread such information, therefore its broadcast was suspended for three months," she told AFP news agency.

The Russian-language broadcaster is registered in Sweden, but it is produced by Russia-owned media company VGTRK, Kersiene said.

The decision of the Radio and Television Commission of Lithuania is to be implemented on Monday, and a court decision is not necessary, according to Baltic News Service, as reported by Russian news agency Interfax.

This is the first time this kind of procedure is being applied in the EU, according to the same source.

The European commission has been informed of the decision.

Concerns over freedom of information

Lithuania is a member of both the EU and NATO, and is a strong supporter of Ukraine in the current crisis between Kyiv and the Kremlin.

Baltic countries, who alongside Ukraine were part of the Russia-dominated Soviet Union for decades, fear Moscow intends to direct propaganda at the Russian minorities within their own borders.

Russians make up only six percent of Lithuania's population, compared to one-quarter in Estonia and Latvia. However, Vilnius was among the most vocal in condemning the alleged disinformation campaign by Moscow.

At the same time, some critics claim that banning RTR Planeta could undermine freedom of speech.

"Probably, as a rule, we should not fight Russian propaganda with Russian-type of restrictive means," political scientist Sarunas Liekis told AFP news agency.

"At the same I am confident that the state can impose sanctions when laws are regularly breached," he added.

RTR Planeta reportedly had "no comment" when asked about the ban.

Satellites beyond government's reach

In Lithuania, RTR Planeta broadcasts through the cable network and via satellite. Although cable providers are expected to respect the regulatory decision, the government cannot enforce it on satellite providers operating outside its jurisdiction.

In the past, the commission has banned certain Russian programs from being rebroadcast in Lithuania, including those on RTR Planeta. However, the Wednesday ruling is the first time it ordered a TV station off the air.

Moscow has criticized the restrictions and accused the Baltic countries of violating rights on access to information.

http://www.dw.de/lithuania-to-ban-russian-tv-channel-for-warmongering/a-18370852


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Re: The Baltics

Postby Parodite » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:34 pm

Banning an unwanted guest is not undemocratic.
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Endovelico » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:59 pm

Parodite wrote:Banning an unwanted guest is not undemocratic.


Would you consider using that principle against Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands?... :twisted:
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:17 pm

Endovelico wrote:
Parodite wrote:Banning an unwanted guest is not undemocratic.


Would you consider using that principle against Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands?... :twisted:


The tired old logical fallacy.

Anyways,

The End of Tolerance in Amsterdam: Moroccan-Born Mayor Dispenses Tough Love to Immigrants

Moroccan Crime in the Netherlands & the Myths of Multiculturalism

Banning a guest that repeatedly sh*ts in the kitchen sink and breaks the furniture is not undemocratic, either.
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:16 pm

Russian ships delaying works on NordBalt electricity link between Lithuania and Sweden

Russian ships are consistently interfering with a strategic energy project of Lithuania that is laying down an electricity link under the Baltic Sea to connect its grid with Sweden's.


With neighbours like the Russians . . .
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:42 pm

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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:04 pm

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Re: The Baltics

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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:01 pm

In this case, given the historical precedents and current situation, yes it certainly does.
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Remember, but do not Fear

Postby Alexis » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:27 am



Every country has a right to remember the invasions it suffered and heighten its conscience that it should be ready to defend its independence. For example, memory of WWI war and WWII invasion is important for France.

At the same time, one does not have to do it in a hostile way towards any country. No bad feeling against present Germans when French remember these wars.

If Russian invasion of Baltic countries 1940 is enough reason to fear a repeat in the future, then Poland should fear a repeat by Germany. For the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact did not only include invasion of Balts, also invasion of Poles. And a quick look at casualties figures among civilians is enough to understand that while Russian treatment of Balts was very hard, Germans were order of magnitude worse against the Poles.

Now I realize that presently fears exist among Balts regarding Russia. These fears need to be respected, and reassurance through existence of military alliance is good. But they also need to be allowed to gradually fade. Russia is doing its part since no Russian leader nor media commentator has proposed any hostile action against Balts whatsoever. Are NATO people, especially American and British leaders, doing their part? I'm not sure...
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Re: Remember, but do not Fear

Postby Typhoon » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:39 pm

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Every country has a right to remember the invasions it suffered and heighten its conscience that it should be ready to defend its independence. For example, memory of WWI war and WWII invasion is important for France.

At the same time, one does not have to do it in a hostile way towards any country. No bad feeling against present Germans when French remember these wars.

If Russian invasion of Baltic countries 1940 is enough reason to fear a repeat in the future, then Poland should fear a repeat by Germany. For the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact did not only include invasion of Balts, also invasion of Poles. And a quick look at casualties figures among civilians is enough to understand that while Russian treatment of Balts was very hard, Germans were order of magnitude worse against the Poles.

Now I realize that presently fears exist among Balts regarding Russia. These fears need to be respected, and reassurance through existence of military alliance is good. But they also need to be allowed to gradually fade. Russia is doing its part since no Russian leader nor media commentator has proposed any hostile action against Balts whatsoever. Are NATO people, especially American and British leaders, doing their part? I'm not sure...


Germany is not questioning the legitimacy of the existence of Poland.

Whereas in Russia,

Russian lawmakers question legitimacy of USSR State Council recognizing Baltic independence
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Re: Remember, but do not Fear

Postby YMix » Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:25 pm



Dumb grandstanding a quarter of a century too late.
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Endovelico » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:26 am

Russian Non-Invasion Causing Concern in European Capitals
by Rob Slane
http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-no ... als/ri8139

[This article originally appeared at TheBlogMire]

Tensions across the Baltic States and Poland have reached fever pitch in recent days as it has become increasingly clear that the Russians have no plans whatsoever to attack any of these countries.

For the last year, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia have been giving increasingly urgent warnings of Russian invasion and have been attempting to convince the rest of the world that it must act decisively in order to stop President Vladimir Putin carrying out his plan to recreate the Soviet Union, this time from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.

However, despite issuing repeated warnings of imminent peril, the Russians are still showing no signs of turning up and even seem to be saying that they’ve got better things to do with their time.

Only last week, Mr Putin claimed in an interview with the Italian newspaper, Il Corriere della Sera, that the idea of attacking a NATO country was only in the “nightmare of an insane person”.

The refusal to invade has become a source of much consternation in Warsaw, Riga, and Tallinn, but it comes as a particularly bitter blow to the Lithuanian President, Dalia Grybauskaitė, who has been increasingly vocal about the threat and who has put the country on panic mode for some time.

Earlier this year, in preparation for the imminent invasion, the government in Vilnius put out a 100-page public information pamphlet — How to act in extreme situations or instances of war — which advised citizens how to survive a Russian invasion, and which contains sections on “the organization of civil resistance” and “how to act under battlefield conditions.”

A spokesman for the Defence Minister Juozas Olekas, who unveiled the booklet in January, was clearly upset by the Russian response:

“We went to all that trouble of producing a booklet on what to do when they invade, and then they don’t even have the common decency to come and invade us,” he said.

“It’s just typical of Russians. You just can’t trust them with anything.”

He went on to say that the country was now advising its citizens on what to do in case of a Russian non-invasion, and a second pamphlet — How to act in normal situations or instances of peace — is already being prepared in case the Russians carry out their threat not to come.

The new booklet is said to advise Lithuanians on how to cope with the idea that their country might not be all that important to Russia after all, and it contains a number of other things people can get worked up about Russia in order to detract from the country’s own internal issues.

In Warsaw, where hostility to Russia has been growing due to an ongoing Government awareness programme, a spokesman for the Polish Government, who wished to remain nameless, said the following:

“Russia has invaded Ukraine on no less than 47 occasions during the past 12 months or so. We don’t know why they keep invading, and then retreating and then reinvading again, but we know they have because we’ve been keeping a close eye on Twitter and Facebook, and because Arseniy Yatsenyuk says so.

Of course we naturally assumed that sooner or later this would mean they’d come for us — at least that’s what we’ve been telling our people for the last year — and so the idea that they might stay at home after all is bad news indeed.

If they continue not to come, the people might actually start to think it was all a silly hoax to detract their attention away from Poland’s own issues, and that could be disastrous for us as a nation.”

The fear that Russia might stay at home is echoed in Washington, with a spokeswoman for the State Department sounding genuinely perplexed:

“We’re sure that the Russians want to recreate the Soviet Union. That’s what our President said the other day and we have no reason to disbelieve him. The first port of call before they get to Johannesburg must surely be the Baltic States and then Poland. So why won’t they invade?

It’s a mystery to us, but we’re continuing to work with our vassals … sorry I meant to say allies, to scare people into understanding the threat, and I think it’s important to note that even non-invasion can be considered a part of their ongoing aggression”

Last week there were hopes that the invasion might be about to happen, when two British RAF Typhoons stationed in Estonia were scrambled to intercept and shadow two Russian military aircraft over the Baltic Sea.

However, the hopes were dashed when it was pointed out by experts, who looked at a map, that Russia is next to the Baltic Sea and a jolly sight closer to it than Britain is.


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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:21 pm

Russian Prosecutor General's Office to examine legitimacy of Baltic States; Lithuania responds angrily

What a bunch of maroons. Russia has the largest land mass on the planet and does a pathetic job of managing what it has.
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Alexis » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:34 pm



Indeed.

Soon to come: checking whether Russia's 19th century sale of Alaska to the U.S.A. was legal?

(not on the list: examining legitimacy of Russia-China 19th century treaty granting Russia control of what became the Russian Far-East :mrgreen: )
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:36 pm

Alexis wrote:


Indeed.

Soon to come: checking whether Russia's 19th century sale of Alaska to the U.S.A. was legal?

(not on the list: examining legitimacy of Russia-China 19th century treaty granting Russia control of what became the Russian Far-East :mrgreen: )


Not to worry. It's only a matter of time before the PR China gets around to re-examining it. 8-)
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Simple Minded » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:35 pm

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Call the firemen

Postby Alexis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:36 am

Simple Minded wrote:What if this idea catches fire?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase


Then call the firemen!

Nobody wants to open that can of worms...

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Re: Call the firemen

Postby Simple Minded » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:11 am

Alexis wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:What if this idea catches fire?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase


Then call the firemen!

Nobody wants to open that can of worms...

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Good point. Reliving the past leads to infinite interpretations of who owes whom what.

Selling assets would be a simple honorable way to settle debts. We give the Chinese Hawaii, the Greece gives Germany some islands. Better than endless bickering.

Better than endless bickering about debt and expecting those who are alive now but not yet born back then, to apologize to those who are dead now, but were alive back then.......
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Re: The Baltics

Postby Typhoon » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:38 am

How Lithuania Is Kicking Russia To The Curb

It wasn’t that long ago, yet it seems so foreign. In fact, Russia has become nothing but a bad memory in Lithuania. There’s nothing Russian here except anti-Putin graffiti and a few Russian citizens investing here and there and carrying out their private lives in a country that, well, kind of hates them. If not them, then their government.

Walk the streets of Vilnius with a Lithuanian aged 30 to 70 and sad stories of Siberia abound. Russian soldiers telling grandpa and other forced laborers to go jump in a lake before getting back to work cutting down trees in the forest while dripping wet. And not in the summer time either. Yeah, there is no love lost in Lithuania for the Russians. The former Soviet state, the largest of the Baltic trio, was the first to happily claim independence from the U.S.S.R., and is now the first to declare energy independence from them too.
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Re: The Baltics

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Re: The Baltics

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While the US Admin was still in the throes of a Gorbasm.
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