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Nonc Hilaire wrote:.

Nothing Trump related here, HP. Europe is leaving US/EU/UN and joining Eurasia. One belt one road, Lisbon to Vladivostok.

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True .. One belt one road, Lisbon to Vladivostok.

But

Why Europe leaving .. moving away from our beloved America ? ? .. fast forwarded by Trump .. Trump taking America out of closet

Well .. that's life .. ways part


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The coup to control Trump is over. The military/industrial complex won. The Deep State and Globalism lost.

Trump is only a figurehead now. Note Trump's lack of clarity and ego in pronouncements the C'ville operation. He is no longer free to honestly express himself anymore. He is fully neutered and domesticated.

The US interest now appears to be an alliance with the British Commonwealth.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:.

The coup to control Trump is over. The military/industrial complex won. The Deep State and Globalism lost.

Trump is only a figurehead now. Note Trump's lack of clarity and ego in pronouncements the C'ville operation. He is no longer free to honestly express himself anymore. He is fully neutered and domesticated.

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Very well so .. Trump was not big enough, he was steamrolled .. military/industrial complex won

Obama, Clinton, Bush had some balls (and intelligence) to withstand "military/industrial complex" .. Trump has neither

He now just a figurehead, not even a scarecrow :lol:

Let's C what happens .. crazy things could happen now

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I think Trump is honest and well intentioned, which makes him a better man than any US politician in recent memory.

I do not laugh at him. Trump is a brave man, and I think he can do many things other politicians can not do. Trump will find a role and do well, but he will not be the uniparty frontman we have become accustomed to.

That is a good thing.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:.

I think Trump is honest and well intentioned, which makes him a better man than any US politician in recent memory.

I do not laugh at him. Trump is a brave man, and I think he can do many things other politicians can not do. Trump will find a role and do well, but he will not be the uniparty frontman we have become accustomed to.

That is a good thing.

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Trump was elected promising he will pull back and not start new wars anymore

The opposite is happening .. right now Russian nuclear bombers flying next to US in Korea, Merkel says Germany will be neutral of US attacks North Korea .. China warns US to lift immediately Korea related sanctions

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ghter-jets

All this forced on Trump by Generals

Bannan was fired when he openly said there is no military solution to North Korea situation, immediately Generals said he had to go.

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Nope. The only reason Trump was elected was because Hillary is horrible.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:.

The only reason Trump was elected was because Hillary is horrible.

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Seconded


She still wouldn't let go.

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A bit at odds with their chattering classes.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/europ ... 2019-02-11

" Europe is sleepwalking into oblivion, and the people of Europe need to wake up before it is too late.

If they don’t, the European Union will go the way of the Soviet Union in 1991....... "


They say that like it's a bad thing.

It would be interesting to poll the people of the former Soviet Union and see how many of them pine for the good ole days.
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Quite fascinating. In general, you would imagine that I am anti-EU, and I sort of am, but I don't care that much. But what I have concluded is that I have yet to to come across a single valid argument that supports the existence of the EU.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/europ ... 2019-02-11
The sleeping pro-Europe majority must be mobilized to defend its values,
What are their values?
The first step to defending Europe from its enemies, both internal and external,
What is with the fear politics. Who are Europe's enemies, internal or external.
Europe is sleepwalking into oblivion,
Soros seems to think that the EU is Europe, and of course Europe existed for millenia before the EU. Seems like more deceptive word usage from leftists.
Unfortunately, anti-European forces will enjoy a competitive advantage in the balloting. There are several reasons for this, including the outdated party system that prevails in most European countries, the practical impossibility of treaty change, and the lack of legal tools for disciplining member states that violate the principles on which the European Union was founded.
Again with the deceptive language. That if you are against the EU you are against Europe. Astonishing. And leftists always whine when they lose.
In the United Kingdom, too, an antiquated party structure prevents the popular will from finding proper expression.
Again with the lying. Exiting won by popular vote.
Jeremy Corbyn for Labour and Theresa May for the Tories, are so determined to deliver Brexit that they have agreed to cooperate to attain it.
This is again enormous lying. The British people asked for Exiting fair and square at the ballot box. George Soros is a danger to Democracy.
The situation is so complicated that most Britons just want to get it over with,
This is an enourmous truck of horse$#!t.
and the lack of legal tools for disciplining member states that violate the principles on which the European Union was founded.
And one of the values of the EU must be disciplining other countries. What's not to like.
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This is probably the clearest and most concise argument for Exiting that I have seen, from a totally nonbiased person. And in all these years I have not seen a single rebuttal to any of the points.

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Mr. Perfect wrote:Quite fascinating. In general, you would imagine that I am anti-EU, and I sort of am, but I don't care that much. But what I have concluded is that I have yet to to come across a single valid argument that supports the existence of the EU.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/europ ... 2019-02-11
Not an argument for the EU, but I always saw the creation of the EU putting the wrong people in charge. They should have made a constitution that gave individual states more power to influence the central government. Instead they put the bureaucrats in Belgium in charge.
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Doc wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:Quite fascinating. In general, you would imagine that I am anti-EU, and I sort of am, but I don't care that much. But what I have concluded is that I have yet to to come across a single valid argument that supports the existence of the EU.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/europ ... 2019-02-11
Not an argument for the EU, but I always saw the creation of the EU putting the wrong people in charge. They should have made a constitution that gave individual states more power to influence the central government. Instead they put the bureaucrats in Belgium in charge.
Speaking of, here's the new EU nomenklatura.

Spiked | People of the EU, meet your unaccountable new rulers.
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May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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hasnt been enough DEMOGRAPHIC DOOM posts of late.
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Bulgaria has streaked to the lead.
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noddy wrote:hasnt been enough DEMOGRAPHIC DOOM posts of late.

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Bulgaria has streaked to the lead.
talk about demographic doom, not even a full graph posted! I'm assuming someone died while creating graph or post.....
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i tried. i failed. i give up.
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Simple Minded wrote:
noddy wrote:hasnt been enough DEMOGRAPHIC DOOM posts of late.

Image

Bulgaria has streaked to the lead.
talk about demographic doom, not even a full graph posted! I'm assuming someone died while creating graph or post.....
Ireland looks like they are having a lot of fun !!!
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Spiked | Why no one is celebrating 10 years of the Lisbon Treaty
The Lisbon debacle reminds us of how fundamentally anti-democratic the EU is.
The Lisbon Treaty began life as the European Constitution. It set out to consolidate Brussels’ power. Among many things, it would establish a permanent EU Council presidency and a ‘legal personality’ for the EU. It would also confer more powers to the EU on foreign policy. Ten member-state governments announced that they would hold referendums to ratify the constitution. In the end, only four were held. In 2005, the constitution was decisively rejected in France by 55 per cent of voters and then in the Netherlands by 62 per cent of voters.

That ought to have been the end of the road for the constitution. The public of one of the EU’s major powers had called a halt to further EU integration. But even before France held its referendum, the consequences of a No vote were made clear. Jean-Claude Juncker – currently the outgoing head of the EU Commission, but head of the EU Council at the time – made clear to voters that their views were irrelevant to the EU: ‘If it’s a Yes, we will say “on we go”, and if it’s a No we will say “we continue”.’ After the French result came in, Juncker pretended that the outcome was somehow unclear: ‘I am still very much in doubt when I look at this very mixed response in France.’
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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... out-brexit
The West Germans also had political motivations for wanting to hug the U.K. inside the European club, against the stubborn resistance of de Gaulle. Germany and France have always had clashing economic traditions. The French one, called dirigisme, is based on state intervention and looks askance at free markets and free trade. The German one, called ordoliberalism, is based on restricting the state to narrow functions (such as antitrust) and otherwise leaving markets and trade pretty free.

The Germans thus saw the Brits, like the Dutch, as more naturally aligned in values than the French. Having the U.K. in the club meant that the “north” could gang up in the Council of Ministers (the body in Brussels where member states decide policy). And it did. A fluid “Nordic” bloc has usually had enough votes to veto “southern” ideas it didn’t like, even as the European club expanded its membership. Projects driven primarily by the Brits and Germans include the single market, rigorous competition policy and liberal trade deals. Projects they successfully prevented (at least until now) include a European “industrial policy,” which tends to be French code for coddling national champions.

Brexit means that the center of gravity in the EU has now shifted southeast, in the European Parliament but above all in the Council. With the U.K., the north (defined as Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Ireland and the Netherlands) had a blocking minority of 36.8%. Without the U.K., that share has dropped to 27.8%, too small for a veto. Even when Austria and the Baltics are included, the north can now be overruled.
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the cultural differences between north and south Europe are non trivial, its going to be hard to convince the average German or Dutchie that Italy struggling for finances is because of the coronavirus and not financial incompetence, they have the virus too, why arent they struggling.

It seems their should be 2 unions, the tricky bit being the French and the Northern Italians.
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"The times they are a-changin" kudos to Bob Dylan. Yanis is a couple weeks behind me.

Remember when xenophobia, racism, and global warming were bad things? No? Me either.

Now xenophobia, racism, and global warming look like humanity's only hope!

"Hey doc, I think I might have COVID-19. What do you recommend?"
"Massive does of misanthrope-ness!"

One little variable like COVID-19, suddenly all the altruists are rugged individualists.

Now we learn there really are only two kinds of people. Those who do the right things for the wrong reasons...... and those who do the wrong things for the right reasons.

How to evaluate? Potential lifespans? Moral high-grounded-ness?
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noddy wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:23 am the cultural differences between north and south Europe are non trivial, its going to be hard to convince the average German or Dutchie that Italy struggling for finances is because of the coronavirus and not financial incompetence, they have the virus too, why arent they struggling.

It seems their should be 2 unions, the tricky bit being the French and the Northern Italians.
If the trend continues, one of these days, Europe will be made up of individual nation states. Each with it's own borders and laws. :shock: :o

Shirley, no one coulda seen that coming.
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