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The refugee crisis

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Blaming the West and not the actual perpetrators like ISIS and Assad simply means that Zuma does not take the criminals who caused the refugee problem very seriously. Or worse.. consider them such a lesser type of human being that you can't hold them responsible nor accountable for anything.

Did he unconsciously adopt the racist mindset of the former white colonialists in South Africa? Looks like it. A strange phenomena. The raped starts to think and behave like his/her rapist. Maybe a PTSS thing.
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Blaming the West and not the actual perpetrators like ISIS and Assad simply means that Zuma does not take the criminals who caused the refugee problem very seriously. Or worse.. consider them such a lesser type of human being that you can't hold them responsible nor accountable for anything.

Did he unconsciously adopt the racist mindset of the former white colonialists in South Africa? Looks like it. A strange phenomena. The raped starts to think and behave like his/her rapist. Maybe a PTSS thing.

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In Syria, like any nation, some factions are not happy with the governing class .. those factions might start a fight with the government, peaceful or violent fight.

All this is legitimate

But, when outside powers, provide arms and money to one faction to fight the elected government, this is "illegitimate" no matter what excuse.

Outside powers are not allowed to support any movement, opposition etc inside any nation.

Let alone those outside nation themselves are in the epicentre of "evil" on planet earth, like Saudi or Qatar or those other lavender-heads.

What business has Britain or France or America or Turkey to say a democratically elected Assad has to go or finance terrorist to terrorize the Syrian population ? ?

Who is Britain ? ?

Can Iran suddenly say Cameron or Hollande has to go ? ?

Fact is, that criminal calling himself Prince Bandar armed "indiscriminately" the terrorist to fight Secular Assad.

Issue not Assad good or bad .. issue is, this non of business of foreigners, and, this business of Syrians themselves.

No ruler can stay in power if the majority of population does not want .. no need even of military uprising, a "General Strike", closing down everything, electricity, banks, all kind of traffic, phone, commerce will do the job and get the message .. like in Iran .. Shah was much more powerful than Assad, but, General Strike, when everything shut down, he packed and left.

Who are fighting the terrorists in Syria ? Assad's close family members ? ? Syrian secular, westernized people, Christians, Kurds, Druz are fighting the terrorists.

All the above means, the refugee situation will become worst, much worst as other nations in that vicinity might get destabilized by those animals that west is arming and supporting .. just look Libya, Qaddafi gone, and ? ? ?

Be honest with yourself, Parodite, unless you itching for much worst (meaning a majority Muslim Europe) :lol:


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Sorry, had not seen this thread .. and made a new one .. maybe they could be combined

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: In Syria, like any nation, some factions are not happy with the governing class .. those factions might start a fight with the government, peaceful or violent fight.

All this is legitimate
Why was a violent fight by some of those factions legit in your opinion?
But, when outside powers, provide arms and money to one faction to fight the elected government, this is "illegitimate" no matter what excuse.
It is a moral obligation to try intervene when a gvt starts to throw barrel bombs in neighborhoods with civilians don't you think?
Outside powers are not allowed to support any movement, opposition etc inside any nation.
So a man who rapes his daughters and threatens to kill his wife should not be stopped because these are all "internal affairs of a family" ? How morally bankrupt can you get HP.
Let alone those outside nation themselves are in the epicentre of "evil" on planet earth, like Saudi or Qatar or those other lavender-heads.
Not an excuse not to try organize a force to stop the obscene killings by Assad, IS and other similar rapists, murderers.
What business has Britain or France or America or Turkey to say a democratically elected Assad has to go or finance terrorist to terrorize the Syrian population ? ?
Assad is as much a terrorist, murderer and torturer as those terrorist factions. It is anyones business to stop them. Where is your moral compass and compassion you Iranian Mensch? It's totally broke.
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Re: The refugee crisis

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Parodite wrote:Blaming the West and not the actual perpetrators like ISIS and Assad simply means that Zuma does not take the criminals who caused the refugee problem very seriously. Or worse.. consider them such a lesser type of human being that you can't hold them responsible nor accountable for anything.

Did he unconsciously adopt the racist mindset of the former white colonialists in South Africa? Looks like it. A strange phenomena. The raped starts to think and behave like his/her rapist. Maybe a PTSS thing.
Actually, after Iraq, people who invaded Libya can in fact be blamed.
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Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote: In Syria, like any nation, some factions are not happy with the governing class .. those factions might start a fight with the government, peaceful or violent fight.

All this is legitimate
Why was a violent fight by some of those factions legit in your opinion ?


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Inside any nation, country, the population can agree, disagree, start fighting each other in any form and shape, this
their right and only they will come to terms to settle things .. that is how has been in history

Did anybody interfere in "French Revolution" when French bourgeoisie was beheading the elite ? what would have happened if Ottomans or Japanese or Pomegranates has sent arms to one section instigating a civil war, same when Garibaldi was uniting Italy or American civil war.

What happens within nation should stay within a nation

Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote: But, when outside powers, provide arms and money to one faction to fight the elected government, this is "illegitimate" no matter what excuse.
It is a moral obligation to try intervene when a gvt starts to throw barrel bombs in neighborhoods with civilians don't you think ?

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Barrel bombs were introduced way after WEST (and Arab Sheikhs) armed the Islamic terrorists .. it was vivid in Libya,
Qaddafi gone and Bengazi was the blowback.

That durian calling himself Prince Bandar armed all Islamic terrorists letting them lose in Lebanon (against the Shia) and in Syria against the secular Assad, Islamic state was direct result.

Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Outside powers are not allowed to support any movement, opposition etc inside any nation.
So a man who rapes his daughters and threatens to kill his wife should not be stopped because these are all "internal affairs of a family" ? How morally bankrupt can you get HP.

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Would it be right if suddenly Russia or China sends arms to American black punters and instigates a civil war in America arguing innocent blacks are shut in the back ? ?

should Pakistan send arms to Myanmar Muslims to defend themselves agains the Buddhist ?

What would happen if foreign nations send arms to all those factions in the world ? ?

There are other tools, boycott, sanctions etc

In Syrian case, Arabs Sheiks and Western colonialist thought Assad has no deep roots in Syrian population and Syria same as Libya and Qaddafi .. forgetting that Syria is the oldest and most sophisticated nation in that space and non Arab, Damascus is the oldest city in the world .. that is why Assad faction will prevail when at the same time those Arabs Sheiks will fall.

Syrians themselves would take care of their differences.

Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Let alone those outside nation themselves are in the epicentre of "evil" on planet earth, like Saudi or Qatar or those other lavender-heads.

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Not an excuse not to try organize a force to stop the obscene killings by Assad, IS and other similar rapists, murderers.

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Asset was killing whom ? ? ?

Assad was killing (his father wiped out an entire city of islamic terrorists) Islamic terrorists, those people now beheading on TV and forcing the Yazidi woman to sex .. If Assad packs and leaves today, Syria will be taken over by
those who burnt alive in the cage that F-16 pilot.

This a Gas pipe-line play .. Arab Sheikhs do not want Assad having control on that, thinking Iran would control things.

But landscape changing rapidly .. Sheikhs and Amirs now in danger losing their pants .. West has no stomach anymore
to send troops to save the Sheikhs .. Saudi Pilots all Pakistani, in reality Saudi and Arabs have no military, they have equipment but no personnel.

Parodite wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
What business has Britain or France or America or Turkey to say a democratically elected Assad has to go or finance terrorist to terrorize the Syrian population ? ?
Assad is as much a terrorist, murderer and torturer as those terrorist factions. It is anyones business to stop them. Where is your moral compass and compassion you Iranian Mensch? It's totally broke.

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They all murderers, but not your SOB .. that is the problem


Putin and Ahmadinejat sayin NIYET .. Assad stays :lol:

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I heard there is a word, actually I heard the word, for Muslim colonization. Apparently it is a doctrine like taqiya, where some Muslims believe in colonization of non muslim lands. Starts with an h I believe.

Anyone know it?
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Parodite wrote:Blaming the West and not the actual perpetrators like ISIS and Assad simply means that Zuma does not take the criminals who caused the refugee problem very seriously. Or worse.. consider them such a lesser type of human being that you can't hold them responsible nor accountable for anything.

Did he unconsciously adopt the racist mindset of the former white colonialists in South Africa? Looks like it. A strange phenomena. The raped starts to think and behave like his/her rapist. Maybe a PTSS thing.
Are you willing to pick up a rifle and join the brigades down there.

You are a living case study on why we can't get the Milo Doctrine.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:.

Milo Doctrine.

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If Middle East left alone to sort their own things, West retreating behind north shore of Mediterranean,
ME people will sort it out themselves, and, for sure there will be less bloodshed doing so

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The journalist, identified as Petra Laszlo, worked for right-wing television channel N1TV, but was removed from her position following the incident.


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. . Syrian asylum seeker who was mistreated by a camerawoman in Hungary has been offered a job as a soccer trainer in Spain.

According to reports, Osama Abdul Mohsen arrived in the Spanish capital city of Madrid on Wednesday upon an invitation by Miguel Ángel Galán, the director of Spain’s National Soccer Coach Training Center (Cenafe).

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4,000 asylum seekers arrive in Croatia in 24 hours

Croatian officials transferred the asylum seekers to a center in nearby Jezevo.

Late on Wednesday, Croatian Foreign Minister Vesna Pusic had said his country was ready for the arrivals, but could not cope with high numbers.

“We are ready to [provide] asylum to a few thousand people and we can handle that, but we are not ready for tens of thousands,” Pusic told HRT, adding, “We do not have capacities” for such an influx.

Croatian Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic is scheduled to hold talks on the refugee crisis in Zagreb with Austria’s Chancellor Werner Faymann later on Thursday. Then, Milanovic would pay a visit to Ljubljana to meet with his Slovenian counterpart Miro Cerar.

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That is a broad colonization.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:That is a broad colonization.

Planet earth belongs to all .. boarders man made :lol:


Mr. Perfect .. After "Tchingiz Khaan" overrun our beloved Persia, killing millions, when he died, Monguls settled down in Iran .. Iran absorbed them.

Monguls adapted Persian language, religion and everything else

Later, Persian Monguls took over India (and ruled India until Brits arrived).

Taj Mahal was built by Persian Mongul ruler of India for love of his Persian wife, nothing in it is Indian.

Europe can easily absorb a few, probably up to 10 million :lol: , (Muslim) immigrant.

Look at Spain, North African Moor brought a lot of culture to Europe .. without the north African rule of Andalusia Europe would not be Europe of today


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I'm thrilled. I would like to see 200-300 million Muslim emigre to Europe. Very exciting.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Inside any nation, country, the population can agree, disagree, start fighting each other in any form and shape, this their right and only they will come to terms to settle things .. that is how has been in history.
The uprising against Assad started when a few non-violent demonstrators were rounded up and tortured. Anyone to blame there?
Did anybody interfere in "French Revolution" when French bourgeoisie was beheading the elite ? what would have happened if Ottomans or Japanese or Pomegranates has sent arms to one section instigating a civil war, same when Garibaldi was uniting Italy or American civil war.
What would be wrong with any force preventing things like beheading, torture, rape, murder, mass murder anywhere? Your morality is from the nationalist blut-und-boden dark ages. Where people are entitled to territory thanks to divine decree or racial superiority.
What happens within nation should stay within a nation
Why? Human rights are relatively new but it means that when they are trampled with mass murder, rape, torture etc... the surrounding international community will 1) condemn it, and 2) can decide to do something about it with force. I call it progress.
It is a moral obligation to try intervene when a gvt starts to throw barrel bombs in neighborhoods with civilians don't you think ?
Barrel bombs were introduced way after WEST (and Arab Sheikhs) armed the Islamic terrorists .. it was vivid in Libya,
Qaddafi gone and Bengazi was the blowback.

That durian calling himself Prince Bandar armed all Islamic terrorists letting them lose in Lebanon (against the Shia) and in Syria against the secular Assad, Islamic state was direct result.
Of course you are just evading by pointing to other sh*theads and trying to make all crimes of Assad sound like "blow back" from actions of others. Lame excuses is all you got. Assad is guilty like hell, just like the many others fighting him. Assad, ISIS, al-Nusra are all from the same derailed psycho-family. And Iran and Russia are supporting psycho and war criminal Assad, thusly complices in war crimes.

Nothing can take you out of your delusional loop, but try read this. The evidence that Assad is a mass murderer commiting horrendous war crimes is all over the place.

A Damning Indictment of Syrian President Assad’s Systematic Massacres
So a man who rapes his daughters and threatens to kill his wife should not be stopped because these are all "internal affairs of a family" ? How morally bankrupt can you get HP.

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This says enough. Even if person (a) could stop a murder he shouldn't.. if he is from another country. How noble. :shock:
Would it be right if suddenly Russia or China sends arms to American black punters and instigates a civil war in America arguing innocent blacks are shut in the back ??
If the US system of law and law enforcement is unable or unwilling to stop a mass murder in its country.. I'm all for it that a China-Russia force does it for them. Think a situation like In Syria would exist in the US. A human disaster by all accounts. I would applaude any collection of forces going in that are able to stop it.
should Pakistan send arms to Myanmar Muslims to defend themselves agains the Buddhist ?

What would happen if foreign nations send arms to all those factions in the world ? ?

There are other tools, boycott, sanctions etc
The only releveant discussion is: what can be done.. and how. Obviously you don't do things that are ill informed, badly planned and amateurishly executed. The US is rather "good" in that unfortunately. It has a bad record when it comes to interventions. But Russia and Iran arming one of the mass murderers and war criminal Assad is wrong too.. making them complicit in those war crimes.
Assad is as much a terrorist, murderer and torturer as those terrorist factions. It is anyones business to stop them. Where is your moral compass and compassion you Iranian Mensch? It's totally broke.
They all murderers, but not your SOB .. that is the problem

Putin and Ahmadinejat sayin NIYET .. Assad stays :lol:
Iran, with its Shia identity is quite willing to join the sectarian clashes and meddle around and this bedeviled neighborhood.

Russia however.. if you don't want externals to interfere in local affairs, should stay out of it too. But of course you like it they interfere... out of convenience. It shows the crippled nature of your morality and contradictions in your philosophy.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:
Parodite wrote:Blaming the West and not the actual perpetrators like ISIS and Assad simply means that Zuma does not take the criminals who caused the refugee problem very seriously. Or worse.. consider them such a lesser type of human being that you can't hold them responsible nor accountable for anything.

Did he unconsciously adopt the racist mindset of the former white colonialists in South Africa? Looks like it. A strange phenomena. The raped starts to think and behave like his/her rapist. Maybe a PTSS thing.
Are you willing to pick up a rifle and join the brigades down there.

You are a living case study on why we can't get the Milo Doctrine.
What?
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Parodite wrote:What?
It means you're not man enough to encourage the Muslims to slaughter each other.
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YMix wrote:
Parodite wrote:What?
It means you're not man enough to encourage the Muslims to slaughter each other.
Yea. Well Mr.P. discusses everything with small pocket money. Sometimes there is something that resembles and acual informed argument.. but until then :roll:
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Hungarian PM Orban on the migration crisis

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Hungarian PM Orban was interviewed by several European newspapers on the migration crisis.

Times' version is behind a paywall. However, Germany's Die Welt has left the interview open for free.

Automated translation works fine on that text, if you want to read it whole. I copy only a few points from Orban:
Die Welt : Human rights activists say you violate Geneva conventions, because you prevent refugees to ask for asylum - by refusing them entrance to your country.

Orbán : No. Geneva conventions include right to safety, but no right to choose the country where you will enjoy protection. (...) How this should work was clear in 1956, when many fled Hungary: they all went to Austria, which was a directly neighboring country and a secure place. They were in refugee camps there, and they could apply to ask being admitted in any country. Then the governments of these countries took the decision.

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Die Welt : So there is a civilization struggle in Europe ?

Orbán: I prefer calling it a competition of cultures. It's obvious Christians are going to lose that competition, if a large number of Muslims are left to enter Europe. (...) We have seen what happened in Western countries. In spite of best intentions, parallel societies have been established, Muslim populations have not integrated themselves. People just live next to each other.
Each country has a right to choose for itself. This we do not want. This is about cultural ways. I am not speaking of God, and how we are as Christians or Muslims. I'm speaking of culture. This is about the way of living, freedom, sexual mores, equality between men and women, our Christian culture. On this, Muslim community is stronger than we are.

Die Welt : In which way?

Orbán : They put a stronger accent on family, children and communitarian cohesion. This is why they'll end up being more numerous than we are. That's simple mathematics.

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Die Welt : How many migrants will come?

Orbán: Frontex's analyses are about millions, and I think 100 millions is conceivable. You have to listen to Sarkozy, who said in a TV interview: "Don't forget about Black Africa". Following the collapse of Libya, this country is no longer an obstacle for people of subsaharan Africa, if they want to go to Europe.

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Die Welt : You also said that philanthropic attitudes in the EU and Germany are the cause of the refugees crisis. Really?

Orbán : Yes, we are guilty because we created the impression that they can come. All: the medias, think tanks, politicians. The liberal mentality in Europe. This is, if you think in depth about it, a fundamental management problem in Europe.
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Strauss-Kahn on migrants

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- Dominique! Ready to welcome migrants?

- OK, however because of ethical reasons, not below 34B!


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Migrants attack Hungarian police on the border

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Throwing stones...

Twenty policemen were wounded.

Dozens of migrants were arrested. The rest repelled.


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Alexis wrote:- Dominique! Ready to welcome migrants?

- OK, however because of ethical reasons, not below 34B !


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:lol: :lol: .. good one, Alex


I like Dominique


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