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BERLIN (AP) — Germany's top security official complained Wednesday of an "unacceptable" influx of Afghans from relatively safe areas of their country, and warned that many of them will have to return home.

Germany is struggling to accommodate hundreds of thousands of refugees and other migrants who have arrived this year.

Syrians, the biggest single group of new arrivals, are more or less assured asylum because of the civil war in their country. But Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said Afghanistan is in second place both for October and the year to date.

"This is unacceptable," he told reporters in Berlin. "We agree with the Afghan government that we don't want this, and there are also increasing numbers of members of the middle class — including many from Kabul."

De Maiziere said Germany agrees with the Afghan government that young and middle-class Afghans should stay home and rebuild the country. "German soldiers and police officers are contributing to making Afghanistan safer," he added.

Germany, a longtime contributor to international forces in Afghanistan, currently has 944 soldiers in the NATO-led Resolute Support training mission there.

"Large amounts of development aid have gone to Afghanistan — so we can expect that Afghans stay in their country," de Maiziere said. "So I am saying very clearly today that people who come to us as refugees from Afghanistan cannot all expect to be able to stay in Germany."

De Maiziere said Germany isn't going to declare Afghanistan a "safe country of origin," as it has with several Balkan countries, and stressed that asylum applications will be examined carefully on a case-by-case basis.

However, he said Germany will work with the Afghan government to ensure that people are returned and that the European Union will negotiate a deal with Kabul so that it takes rejected applicants back.
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This is starting to sound like the old joke re
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Typhoon wrote:This is starting to sound like the old joke re
Help comb the Uzbeks out of the beard of Mother Russia.
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Austria to build border fence with Slovenia amid refugee crisis

Austria has said that it is planning to build a fence along its border along with Slovenia in order to control the flow of asylum seekers. Meanwhile Germany slammed the Austrian handling of the refugee crisis describing it as “not right.”

"This is about ensuring an orderly, controlled entry into our country, not about shutting down the border," Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner said on Wednesday, Austria’s branch of The Local reported.

According to the minister, Vienna needs “stable, massive measures” in place for handling the refugee crisis. She, however, didn’t give information on when exactly the construction would start.

"We know that in recent days and weeks individual groups of migrants have become more impatient, aggressive and emotional. If groups of people push from behind, with children and women stuck in-between, you need stable, massive measures.”

Mikl-Leitner added that he fence would be "solid and stretch several kilometers left and right of the border crossing". Also about 200 officers will be specially trained to work as border police.

The idea of the fence has been supported by Austrian Defense Minister Gerald Klug, who said that the measure is being taken "in order to properly control the refugees."

But "we must not lose sight of humanity," he said, adding that Hungary’s barbed fence is not the solution to refugee issue.

In the meantime, German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere slammed Vienna’s handling of the refugee crisis.

"The behavior of Austria in recent days was not right," de Maiziere told a news conference in Berlin, "We observed that refugees, without warning and after dark, were being driven to the German border without any provisions or forethought. There were intensive contacts."
Over 80% of asylum seekers in Germany unqualified - report

Over 80 percent of the asylum seekers recently arrived in Germany have no formal qualifications, and only eight percent have a college degree, local media reported citing research by the country's Federal Employment Agency.

Germany (population 80 million) may receive 1.5 million asylum seekers this year alone. It has already accepted more asylum applications than any other European nation, with a number of critics pointing to a high number of uneducated and illiterate people coming to the country.

The Federal Employment Agency has stated that 81 percent of asylum seekers are "without formal qualifications," the Junge Freiheit daily reported, citing a nine-page report entitled "Refugees in Germany: Take responsibility, identify opportunities."

The agency has reportedly calculated that due to the looming asylum crisis there will be at least 400,000 additional welfare recipients in the coming year.

Earlier this year, about 60 German universities offered refugees a chance to attend courses as guest students for free. In the past, asylum seekers had to pay a fee, unaffordable for most of them.
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Forbs


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Come on, come on


Without immigrants American would be still producin Ford Model T


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What was the advice?

Learn from whom has succeded?


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Alexis wrote:What was the advice?

Learn from whom has succeded?


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Amazing how few nations are able to communicate clearly these days.

FOWF as official policy is easy even for me to understand!
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“The waves of the Aegean are not just washing up dead refugees,
dead children,
but (also) the very civilization of Europe.”


Tsipras accused western countries of shedding “crocodile tears” over children dying in the Aegean but doing little for those who make it across.

“What about the tens of thousands of living children, who are cramming the roads of migration?” he said.

Tsipras blamed the migrant flows on western military interventions in the Middle East, which he said furthered geopolitical interests rather than democracy.

“And now, those who sowed winds are reaping whirlwinds, but these mainly afflict reception countries,” he added.

“I feel ashamed of Europe’s inability to effectively address this human drama, and of the level of debate ... where everyone tries to shift responsibility to someone else,” Tsipras said.

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The Next Wave: Afghanistan

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The Next Wave: Afghans Flee To Europe in Droves
Redwan Eharai's journey ends where it began: in Afghanistan, in the city of Herat. Eharai, a 15-year-old boy, is carrying the heavy body of his mother Sima up the hill to the cemetery, together with neighbors and relatives. He and his mother had set out from Afghanistan together, headed for Germany. Now he is standing at her grave.

She died at the border between Iran and Turkey, struck in the head by a bullet fired by an Iranian police officer.

(...)

Redwan Eharai says that his mother's decision to leave Afghanistan was a spontaneous one. They were watching a TV report about Syrian families crossing the Mediterranean on boats that stated that Germany was accepting refugees. "We understood that there is a future in Germany," he says. They had also heard that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was allowing refugees stuck in Hungary to enter Germany. That was when Sima decided to leave.

Eharai refuses to accept that Afghans are not Syrians and Herat is not Aleppo. There is war in Afghanistan, too, he says, and his family had nothing to eat.

(...)

According to Eharai, the guards laughed and shouted that this time they had only shot only one "dirty Afghan," whereas they had killed eight the week before.

The relationship between Iranians and Afghans is tense. The crisis in Afghanistan has already driven millions of refugees into Iran, and the Iranians deport hundreds of illegal Afghan immigrants every day.
Note that this desperate mother took her dangerous and ultimately fateful decision because she had understood Germany would accept them.

Courtesy of Chancellor Merkel.
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Alexis wrote:The Next Wave: Afghans Flee To Europe in Droves
Redwan Eharai's journey ends where it began: in Afghanistan, in the city of Herat. Eharai, a 15-year-old boy, is carrying the heavy body of his mother Sima up the hill to the cemetery, together with neighbors and relatives. He and his mother had set out from Afghanistan together, headed for Germany. Now he is standing at her grave.

She died at the border between Iran and Turkey, struck in the head by a bullet fired by an Iranian police officer.

(...)

Redwan Eharai says that his mother's decision to leave Afghanistan was a spontaneous one. They were watching a TV report about Syrian families crossing the Mediterranean on boats that stated that Germany was accepting refugees. "We understood that there is a future in Germany," he says. They had also heard that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was allowing refugees stuck in Hungary to enter Germany. That was when Sima decided to leave.

Eharai refuses to accept that Afghans are not Syrians and Herat is not Aleppo. There is war in Afghanistan, too, he says, and his family had nothing to eat.

(...)

According to Eharai, the guards laughed and shouted that this time they had only shot only one "dirty Afghan," whereas they had killed eight the week before.

The relationship between Iranians and Afghans is tense. The crisis in Afghanistan has already driven millions of refugees into Iran, and the Iranians deport hundreds of illegal Afghan immigrants every day.
Note that this desperate mother took her dangerous and ultimately fateful decision because she had understood Germany would accept them.

Courtesy of Chancellor Merkel.

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Afghanistan lived for 1000s of yrs within their own and their neighbour's culture, Russia being one of their neighbour.

Cultures coming from 10,000 miles way, US or Brits, destroying the historical equilibrium, worst than genocide.


If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place FOR AFGHANS

Good sample is the USSR central Asian republics .. they as civilized as possible as in that space, educated, more and less peaceful etc etc

All that blood for so many dead, woman and children, is on Zbigniew Brzezinski hand


kYvO3qAlyTg


Brzezinski put the destruction of Middle East in motion, all because of confronting Russia, "communism" being an excuse.

Communism gone, but the animosity with Russia now "doubling down"

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place FOR AFGHANS

Good sample is the USSR central Asian republics .. they as civilized as possible as in that space, educated, more and less peaceful etc etc

All that blood for so many dead, woman and children, is on Zbigniew Brzezinski hand
I'm not sure these remarks have much to do with the issue of whether it's a good idea to invite millions of people living difficult lives to come in Germany and by extension in Europe, when one does not have the possibility to support them in this kind of numbers nor to integrate them within any reasonable timeframe in a modern economy given their limited education nor wants to put them in refugee camps or live them in mendicity like Turkey does.

About Afghanistan being a better place if it was under Russian rule, I guess you should tell that to Afghans and check what they think. Brzezinski and other Americans organized the support of Afghan insurgents against the USSR, they did not invent that insurgency, nor its staying power and stamina.

This is as convincing as saying that Vietnam would be better under American rule, and if only the Soviet Union had not helped Vietnamese - hey everything bad in Vietnam is all the fault of Moscow :mrgreen:
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Alexis wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place FOR AFGHANS

Good sample is the USSR central Asian republics .. they as civilized as possible as in that space, educated, more and less peaceful etc etc

All that blood for so many dead, woman and children, is on Zbigniew Brzezinski hand

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I'm not sure these remarks have much to do with the issue of whether it's a good idea to invite millions of people living difficult lives to come in Germany and by extension in Europe, when one does not have the possibility to support them in this kind of numbers nor to integrate them within any reasonable timeframe in a modern economy given their limited education nor wants to put them in refugee camps or live them in mendicity like Turkey does.

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Russia part of that space, meaning Russia in Afghanistan would be same as Russia in Uzbekistan or Turkmenistan or Tajikistan or Tataristan etc

But, for the West, to come and do what was done to Afghanistan, makes "you brake it, you own it"

And

Iran took 2.5 million afghan refugee, fed them, housed them, educated them, for 30 yrs .. all this, despite Iran itself being in hardship due to West "terrorizing" our beloved Persia last 37 yrs (make it last 200 yrs) .. and now you complain for taking a few hundred thousand, Syrian & Iraqi & Afghan

West, France, UK, US is arming the terrorists as proxy for their own geopolitical reason, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan

Thanks G_D there is Putin :lol:
Alexis wrote:.

About Afghanistan being a better place if it was under Russian rule, I guess you should tell that to Afghans and check what they think. Brzezinski and other Americans organized the support of Afghan insurgents against the USSR, they did not invent that insurgency, nor its staying power and stamina.

This is as convincing as saying that Vietnam would be better under American rule, and if only the Soviet Union had not helped Vietnamese - hey everything bad in Vietnam is all the fault of Moscow :mrgreen:

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very easy to find out

Would a Uzbek, Turkmen, Tajik, Tataristani etc etc, live in a Russian, USSR, province .. or live in Afghanistan we know of last 35 yrs ? ?

Brzezinski did not arm the liberal democrats of Afghanistan .. he armed the terrorists in Afghanistan

Russia could have reformed Afghanistan (meaning woman right, schooling, healthcare, elimination of religion interference, etc) same as Russia did in muslim provinces of USSR .. Russian ex-central asian republics have "civil society" as good as it conforms to culture and civilization of that space

Now, you broke it, you own it

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Too Bad Russians Didn't Maintain Their Occupation of Iran...

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Alexis wrote:The Next Wave: Afghans Flee To Europe in Droves
Redwan Eharai's journey ends where it began: in Afghanistan, in the city of Herat. Eharai, a 15-year-old boy, is carrying the heavy body of his mother Sima up the hill to the cemetery, together with neighbors and relatives. He and his mother had set out from Afghanistan together, headed for Germany. Now he is standing at her grave.

She died at the border between Iran and Turkey, struck in the head by a bullet fired by an Iranian police officer.

(...)

Redwan Eharai says that his mother's decision to leave Afghanistan was a spontaneous one. They were watching a TV report about Syrian families crossing the Mediterranean on boats that stated that Germany was accepting refugees. "We understood that there is a future in Germany," he says. They had also heard that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was allowing refugees stuck in Hungary to enter Germany. That was when Sima decided to leave.

Eharai refuses to accept that Afghans are not Syrians and Herat is not Aleppo. There is war in Afghanistan, too, he says, and his family had nothing to eat.

(...)

According to Eharai, the guards laughed and shouted that this time they had only shot only one "dirty Afghan," whereas they had killed eight the week before.

The relationship between Iranians and Afghans is tense. The crisis in Afghanistan has already driven millions of refugees into Iran, and the Iranians deport hundreds of illegal Afghan immigrants every day.
Note that this desperate mother took her dangerous and ultimately fateful decision because she had understood Germany would accept them.

Courtesy of Chancellor Merkel.

.

Afghanistan lived for 1000s of yrs within their own and their neighbour's culture, Russia being one of their neighbour.

Cultures coming from 10,000 miles way, US or Brits, destroying the historical equilibrium, worst than genocide.


If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place FOR AFGHANS

Good sample is the USSR central Asian republics .. they as civilized as possible as in that space, educated, more and less peaceful etc etc

All that blood for so many dead, woman and children, is on Zbigniew Brzezinski hand


kYvO3qAlyTg


Brzezinski put the destruction of Middle East in motion, all because of confronting Russia, "communism" being an excuse.

Communism gone, but the animosity with Russia now "doubling down"

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Thank You Very Much for Your Post, Azari
If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place
Perhaps likewise it would have been better for those sections of Iran that the Russians/Soviets occupied during WW2 if they had remained ruled by the Russians....... ;)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Sov ... on_of_Iran
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monster_gardener wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Alexis wrote:The Next Wave: Afghans Flee To Europe in Droves
Redwan Eharai's journey ends where it began: in Afghanistan, in the city of Herat. Eharai, a 15-year-old boy, is carrying the heavy body of his mother Sima up the hill to the cemetery, together with neighbors and relatives. He and his mother had set out from Afghanistan together, headed for Germany. Now he is standing at her grave.

She died at the border between Iran and Turkey, struck in the head by a bullet fired by an Iranian police officer.

(...)

Redwan Eharai says that his mother's decision to leave Afghanistan was a spontaneous one. They were watching a TV report about Syrian families crossing the Mediterranean on boats that stated that Germany was accepting refugees. "We understood that there is a future in Germany," he says. They had also heard that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was allowing refugees stuck in Hungary to enter Germany. That was when Sima decided to leave.

Eharai refuses to accept that Afghans are not Syrians and Herat is not Aleppo. There is war in Afghanistan, too, he says, and his family had nothing to eat.

(...)

According to Eharai, the guards laughed and shouted that this time they had only shot only one "dirty Afghan," whereas they had killed eight the week before.

The relationship between Iranians and Afghans is tense. The crisis in Afghanistan has already driven millions of refugees into Iran, and the Iranians deport hundreds of illegal Afghan immigrants every day.
Note that this desperate mother took her dangerous and ultimately fateful decision because she had understood Germany would accept them.

Courtesy of Chancellor Merkel.

.

Afghanistan lived for 1000s of yrs within their own and their neighbour's culture, Russia being one of their neighbour.

Cultures coming from 10,000 miles way, US or Brits, destroying the historical equilibrium, worst than genocide.


If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place FOR AFGHANS

Good sample is the USSR central Asian republics .. they as civilized as possible as in that space, educated, more and less peaceful etc etc

All that blood for so many dead, woman and children, is on Zbigniew Brzezinski hand


kYvO3qAlyTg


Brzezinski put the destruction of Middle East in motion, all because of confronting Russia, "communism" being an excuse.

Communism gone, but the animosity with Russia now "doubling down"

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Thank You Very Much for Your Post, Azari
If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place
Perhaps likewise it would have been better for those sections of Iran that the Russians/Soviets occupied during WW2 if they had remained ruled by the Russians....... ;)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Sov ... on_of_Iran


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You said this B4, and, it is self defeating .. apparently, you justifying destroying "Nation of Afghanistan"
to counter Russia .. that in itself should be a "crime against humanity"

"carpet bombing Vietnam" to counter China and Russia .. wiping out "Nation of Afghanistan" to counter Russia .. destroying Mesopotamia using CIA crony Saddam as excuse .. wiping out Libya using (patriot & nationalist) Qaddafi as excuse .. arming terrorists in Syria to topple westernized, secular Assad, all in reality "crimes against humanity".

You guys have an account to settle with Russia (or China) ? ? why not start a war directly with Russia and China ? ?

Why rain Napalm and Agent Orange on poor Vietnamese paysants to confront Mao or Khrushchev ?

You might not know, but one of the big issue Iranians have with America is this :

If USSR would invade Iran and march towards Persian Golf Oil fields, US plan was to counter USSR @
Zagros mountains "with nuclear bomb" .. that means drop nuclear bomb on Iran to stop Russians.


Could be, Pentagon still has this plan, and that is why western media "manufacturing anti Iran sentiment", so that when push comet to shove with Russia, Joe has no guilty feelin to drop nuclear on Iranians, Zionist deam probably.

In clear text, nuke 100 of 1000s Iranians just to stop Russians

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:
Alexis wrote:The Next Wave: Afghans Flee To Europe in Droves
Redwan Eharai's journey ends where it began: in Afghanistan, in the city of Herat. Eharai, a 15-year-old boy, is carrying the heavy body of his mother Sima up the hill to the cemetery, together with neighbors and relatives. He and his mother had set out from Afghanistan together, headed for Germany. Now he is standing at her grave.

She died at the border between Iran and Turkey, struck in the head by a bullet fired by an Iranian police officer.

(...)

Redwan Eharai says that his mother's decision to leave Afghanistan was a spontaneous one. They were watching a TV report about Syrian families crossing the Mediterranean on boats that stated that Germany was accepting refugees. "We understood that there is a future in Germany," he says. They had also heard that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was allowing refugees stuck in Hungary to enter Germany. That was when Sima decided to leave.

Eharai refuses to accept that Afghans are not Syrians and Herat is not Aleppo. There is war in Afghanistan, too, he says, and his family had nothing to eat.

(...)

According to Eharai, the guards laughed and shouted that this time they had only shot only one "dirty Afghan," whereas they had killed eight the week before.

The relationship between Iranians and Afghans is tense. The crisis in Afghanistan has already driven millions of refugees into Iran, and the Iranians deport hundreds of illegal Afghan immigrants every day.
Note that this desperate mother took her dangerous and ultimately fateful decision because she had understood Germany would accept them.

Courtesy of Chancellor Merkel.

.

Afghanistan lived for 1000s of yrs within their own and their neighbour's culture, Russia being one of their neighbour.

Cultures coming from 10,000 miles way, US or Brits, destroying the historical equilibrium, worst than genocide.


If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place FOR AFGHANS

Good sample is the USSR central Asian republics .. they as civilized as possible as in that space, educated, more and less peaceful etc etc

All that blood for so many dead, woman and children, is on Zbigniew Brzezinski hand


kYvO3qAlyTg


Brzezinski put the destruction of Middle East in motion, all because of confronting Russia, "communism" being an excuse.

Communism gone, but the animosity with Russia now "doubling down"

.
Thank You Very Much for Your Post, Azari
If it had to be, Afghanistan under Russian rule would have been a much better place
Perhaps likewise it would have been better for those sections of Iran that the Russians/Soviets occupied during WW2 if they had remained ruled by the Russians....... ;)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Sov ... on_of_Iran


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You said this B4, and, it is self defeating .. apparently, you justifying destroying "Nation of Afghanistan"
to counter Russia .. that in itself should be a "crime against humanity"

"carpet bombing Vietnam" to counter China and Russia .. wiping out "Nation of Afghanistan" to counter Russia .. destroying Mesopotamia using CIA crony Saddam as excuse .. wiping out Libya using (patriot & nationalist) Qaddafi as excuse .. arming terrorists in Syria to topple westernized, secular Assad, all in reality "crimes against humanity".

You guys have an account to settle with Russia (or China) ? ? why not start a war directly with Russia and China ? ?

Why rain Napalm and Agent Orange on poor Vietnamese paysants to confront Mao or Khrushchev ?

You might not know, but one of the big issue Iranians have with America is this :

If USSR would invade Iran and march towards Persian Golf Oil fields, US plan was to counter USSR @
Zagros mountains "with nuclear bomb" .. that means drop nuclear bomb on Iran to stop Russians.


Could be, Pentagon still has this plan, and that is why western media "manufacturing anti Iran sentiment", so that when push comet to shove with Russia, Joe has no guilty feelin to drop nuclear on Iranians, Zionist deam probably.

In clear text, nuke 100 of 1000s Iranians just to stop Russians

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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari,
you justifying destroying "Nation of Afghanistan"
to counter Russia ..
Nope......

Mostly just engaging in a little irony ;)

You saying that Russia/the Soviets which included Stalin good for other ME nations....

But are not as enthused about an alternate history in which mad mullahs like Khomeini perished in gulags? ;)

You guys have an account to settle with Russia (or China) ? ? why not start a war directly with Russia and China ? ?
Be careful what you wish for........ :idea:

You might get the Fallout of a Nuclear Winter........ :idea:

Or end up On the Beach if it goes badly enough.....
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Re: Too Bad Russians Didn't Maintain Their Occupation of Ira

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monster_gardener wrote:.
you justifying destroying "Nation of Afghanistan"
to counter Russia ..
Nope......

Mostly just engaging in a little irony ;)

You saying that Russia/the Soviets which included Stalin good for other ME nations....

But are not as enthused about an alternate history in which mad mullahs like Khomeini perished in gulags? ;)

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Good idea to study Persian history

Persia was invaded many times by "Tyrants" much worst than Stalin .. Tchingiz Khan killed millions and Monghuls ruled Persia for generations

And ?

They no more

Pomegranates like wheat field .. when storm comet, bend, next sunny day they up and running.

That is how Persia survived so many tyrants, including Brits and Russians and Turks and Arabs

Key to that survival was "Persian civilization, culture" .. that is why now, after 150 yrs of Russian rule, central Asian provinces coming back to DaDi, they Persian as apple pie American.

In that sense, if "alternative" was Truman dropping a nuclear bomb on USSR occupied Iran (as Truman allegedly had threatened), or, being being part of USSR, Iranian would go with the USSR knowing it would be temporary, a "strategic" move.

monster_gardener wrote:.
You guys have an account to settle with Russia (or China) ? ? why not start a war directly with Russia and China ? ?
Be careful what you wish for........ :idea:

You might get the Fallout of a Nuclear Winter ........ :idea:

Or end up On the Beach if it goes badly enough .....

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Russia's heartland not next to Iran, rather 1000s of miles away from Iran

And , neither sheep sheep used 2B nor lion lion used 2B

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Afghanistan will take back all its citizens to be deported from Germany as the European country struggles to accommodate hundreds of thousands of refugees and other migrants who have arrived there this year, a Kabul official said.

Afghans currently make up the second largest nationality, after Syrians, arriving in Europe. So far this year, an estimated 120,000 Afghans have left the country, legally and illegally, according to authorities. The International Organization of Migration says more than 76,000 Afghans have migrated to Europe so far in 2015.

Germany, a longtime contributor to international forces in Afghanistan and with currently 944 soldiers in NATO's support and training mission there, has increasingly been feeling the pressure of the rising numbers of people coming in.

Last week, Germany's interior minister complained of an "unacceptable" influx of Afghans from relatively safe areas of their country, and warned that many of them would have to return home. The minister, Thomas de Maiziere, said Afghans arriving in Germany included "increasing numbers of members of the middle class — including many from Kabul."

It isn't clear how many Afghans Germany might try to send back. However, German officials have been keen to stress that only people genuinely fleeing war and persecution are entitled to asylum, and that economic migrants must leave the country. Fewer than half of the Afghans who apply for asylum in Germany are granted it.

As a signatory to the Geneva Convention, Afghanistan is obliged to accept its citizens whose asylum applications have been rejected, deputy presidential spokesman Zafar Hashemi said, adding that President Ashraf Ghani and German Chancellor Angela Merkel discussed the issue recently.

Afghan Minister for Refugees and Repatriation Hossain Alemi Balkhi has disapproved of Germany's decision to return the Afghans, saying in a recent interview with The Associated Press that Kabul is "against the forced exile of any people from any country back to where they came from."

"The problem that caused them to leave Afghanistan in the first place has not been solved — there is still war, conflict, insecurity," he said.

However, the minister's international adviser, Rohullah Hashimi, said Monday that Ghani's decision will be implemented and that a reintegration plan for voluntary refugees would be extended to deportees.
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Germany is to speed up the repatriation of failed asylum seekers, after the governing coalition resolved a rift on the issue.

Chancellor Angela Merkel said five special centres would handle the applications of asylum-seekers deemed to have little chance of staying.

Her Christian Democrats and their junior partners, the Social Democrats, have argued for weeks over the plan.

Germany says it expects to receive at least 800,000 asylum seekers this year.

Earlier, the European Commission said that three million migrants were likely to arrive in Europe by the end of 2017.

The huge influx of asylum seekers has caused political turmoil across the EU with member states disagreeing about how to deal with the crisis.

"We took a good and important step forward," said Mrs Merkel, whose open-door refugee policy has come in for strong criticism in Germany.

The five special centres would hold migrants from countries deemed safe; those barred from re-entering Germany; and those refusing to co-operate.

In an accelerated asylum process, cases could be heard in a week, not months, and appeals would take only a further two weeks. Most could expect to be deported.
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A lot of Trumpism out there.
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Alexis wrote: I'm not sure these remarks have much to do with the issue of whether it's a good idea to invite millions of people living difficult lives to come in Germany and by extension in Europe,
Seems like you guys need to figure that out real quick or it will be decided for you.
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The Flow


Put it @ half speed :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Scary


Well, folks .. notion you arm the terrorists and be unaffected, pipe-dream sold to Joe by Rumsfeld & company

What a disaster

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Hungary Against Taking Even a ‘Single Syrian’ from Germany
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Germany shouldn’t send back refugees to the their first point-of-entry in the European Union based on the bloc’s Dublin accord, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said, according to an interview with MTI news service.

“The Dublin system is dead since apart from a few exceptions, countries aren’t abiding by its terms,” Szijjarto said on Wednesday, according to MTI. “Not a single Syrian” should be returned from western Europe to Hungary, he said.

Hungary has built a razor-wire fence along its southern border to keep refugees out and has been the staunchest critic of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s open-door policy to welcome an estimated million migrants this year, mostly refugees from Syria.
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Race and national origin don't matter, and in the long run neither does the poor education of the immigrants (their kids will be different). Culture does matter, however, and nearly all these immigrants are Muslim at a time when even "moderate" Islam is a pernicious, intolerant and reactionary cult. It is a myth shared by the Far Left and the free market Right that culture does not matter, it is all determined by economics. The sheer volume and sudden nature of the influx increases the risk of creating parallel ghetto societies, which Islam is prone to anyway.

Conflict between "tribes" is sadly the main flaw of human cultures, but well meaning naivety, when only one side wants to obey the golden rule, is also dangerous to a host society.

It's 400AD, the barbarians are storming the (largely uncontrolled) borders. Ironically, in those days the one group that would not integrate into "Western" society were Germans.
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Torchwood wrote:Race and national origin don't matter, and in the long run neither does the poor education of the immigrants (their kids will be different). Culture does matter, however, and nearly all these immigrants are Muslim at a time when even "moderate" Islam is a pernicious, intolerant and reactionary cult. It is a myth shared by the Far Left and the free market Right that culture does not matter, it is all determined by economics. The sheer volume and sudden nature of the influx increases the risk of creating parallel ghetto societies, which Islam is prone to anyway.

Conflict between "tribes" is sadly the main flaw of human cultures, but well meaning naivety, when only one side wants to obey the golden rule, is also dangerous to a host society.

It's 400AD, the barbarians are storming the (largely uncontrolled) borders. Ironically, in those days the one group that would not integrate into "Western" society were Germans.
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Torchwood.

And welcome back......

I largely agree......

Ironically, in those days the one group that would not integrate into "Western" society were Germans.
Remembering that by that time Germans to a large degree were the Roman Army.....
Constantine further increased the proportion of German troops in the regular army;[128] their cultural impact was so great that even legionaries began wearing German dress.[117] At the start of Diocletian's reign, the Roman army numbered about 390,000 men, but by the end of his reign he successfully increased the number to 581,000 men.[129]

Adoption of barbarian allies (358 AD – 395 AD)

By the late 4th century, the Empire had become chronically deficient in raising sufficient troops from amongst its own population.[130] As an alternative, taxation raised internally was increasingly used to subsidise growing numbers of barbarian recruits. The Romans had, for some time, recruited individual non-Roman soldiers into regular military units. In 358 AD, this practice was accelerated by the wholescale adoption of the entire Salian Franks people into the Empire, providing a ready pool of such recruits. In return for being allowed to settle as foederatii in northern Gallia on the near side of the Rhine, the Franks were expected to defend the Empire's borders in their territory and provide troops to serve in Roman units.
Eventual a Frank would become the first Holy Roman Emperor..........

I think his name was Big Charley ;) or something like that :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
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Torchwood wrote:Race and national origin don't matter, and in the long run neither does the poor education of the immigrants (their kids will be different). Culture does matter, however, and nearly all these immigrants are Muslim at a time when even "moderate" Islam is a pernicious, intolerant and reactionary cult. It is a myth shared by the Far Left and the free market Right that culture does not matter, it is all determined by economics.
An interesting subject to explore some day.
The sheer volume and sudden nature of the influx increases the risk of creating parallel ghetto societies, which Islam is prone to anyway.
The risks are far larger.
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