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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:43 pm



An excellent article. I highly recommend it.
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Re: Russia

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:00 am

YMix wrote:


An excellent article. I highly recommend it.

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seconded


Pretty much what I'm sayin since long time

We must be very grateful there is a Putin .. alternative would be Russia sinking into "chaos", Islamist taking over .. like Tatars ruling Russian long ago .. that would have spill over to all ME, destroy Turkey and Arabs and beyond .. consequence would be devastating to Europe

Neocons are either "idi*ts" or "anarchist" .. "Bill Kristol & company" in reality (ex communist) anarchists, and thinking, Joe the idi*t :lol: :lol:

Thanx for the article, YMIx and "Happy New Year" .. what is the best Romanian red wine ?

And .. YMix .. pls paste a few links to those wonderful Romanian Soprano Singers, the lady ones


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Islamist Turks Selling Rope to Russia..........

Postby monster_gardener » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:20 am

YMix wrote:


An excellent article. I highly recommend it.


Thank You VERY Much for your post, YMix.

Good article.......

And I found this interesting/amusing............

Much to my own surprise, Russia surged sea lift by reflagging Turkish commercial ships to support its increasing troop presence and base expansions.



To paraphrase Lenin......... ;)

Seems that the Islamists/Turks were willing to sell the rope to hang the Islamists/Turks to their Russian enemy.......... ;) :lol:

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Re: Russia

Postby Typhoon » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:48 pm

British Inquiry Implicates Russia, Putin In Death Of Ex-Agent Litvinenko

A British inquiry has concluded that the Russian government was behind the 2006 poisoning death of former Russian security agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and that President Vladimir Putin "probably approved" the killing.

The findings, issued on January 21, said that there is a "strong probability" that it was carried out by Russian citizens Dmitry Kovtun and Andrei Lugovoi acting under orders from Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB).

British investigators concluded that Litvinenko, 44, had ingested radioactive polonium-210 while drinking tea in a luxury London hotel with Kovtun and Lugovoi. He died in a London hospital three weeks later, on November 23, 2006.
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Re: Russia

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:25 pm

Typhoon wrote:British Inquiry Implicates Russia, Putin In Death Of Ex-Agent Litvinenko

A British inquiry has concluded that the Russian government was behind the 2006 poisoning death of former Russian security agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and that President Vladimir Putin "probably approved" the killing.

The findings, issued on January 21, said that there is a "strong probability" that it was carried out by Russian citizens Dmitry Kovtun and Andrei Lugovoi acting under orders from Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB).

British investigators concluded that Litvinenko, 44, had ingested radioactive polonium-210 while drinking tea in a luxury London hotel with Kovtun and Lugovoi. He died in a London hospital three weeks later, on November 23, 2006.

The article suggests Litvinenko was a double agent.
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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:33 pm

The article suggests that Cameron is trying to paint Putin as a murderer in order to sink Corbyn. This is about domestic politics, not an actual investigation.
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Re: Russia

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:02 pm

YMix wrote:The article suggests that Cameron is trying to paint Putin as a murderer in order to sink Corbyn. This is about domestic politics, not an actual investigation.

Good observation.
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Re: Russia

Postby Typhoon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:59 pm

Nonc Hilaire wrote:
YMix wrote:The article suggests that Cameron is trying to paint Putin as a murderer in order to sink Corbyn. This is about domestic politics, not an actual investigation.

Good observation.


I don't agree. If this was a one-off incident, then perhaps.

However, there is a well established pattern of the murder of prominent figures opposed to the Putin regime.

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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:30 am

Typhoon wrote:I don't agree. If this was a one-off incident, then perhaps.


I wasn't referring to Putin's regime. I don't think Cameron gives a fu*k about the fact that some random Russian agent was killed by his former pals. His interest is limited to how he can use this investigation. To wit:

KGB killers, a thug in the Kremlin and the shaming silence of Comrade Corbyn

Great Britain's relations with Russia are not particularly warm anyway, so there's no downside for Cameron.
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Do not smoke!

Postby Alexis » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Anti-tobacco campaign in Russia:

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Do not smoke
Tobacco kills as many as Obama




...That's cute.
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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:07 pm

A better version:

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Smoking kills
more people than Obama.
Even though he kills a lot of people.

Don't smoke.
Don't be like Obama.
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Re: Russia

Postby Typhoon » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:10 pm

All the wit and subtlety of an elephant in heat.

Just like in the former SU.
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Re: Russia

Postby Alexis » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:05 am

Typhoon wrote:Just like in the former SU.


Actually, said my wife - who should know - the Soviet Union in its latter years did have anti-American caricatures, but they were not personalized. It was the stereotypical "Uncle Sam" who was the target, not any actual person like a US president. So this is more acid than the mellower years of the USSR.

Well, to be fair, at that time, there weren't any US troops in Ukraine, nor any US-supported coup in Kiev.
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Re: Russia

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:59 pm

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Actually, said my wife - who should know - the Soviet Union in its latter years did have anti-American caricatures, but they were not personalized. It was the stereotypical "Uncle Sam" who was the target, not any actual person like a US president. So this is more acid than the mellower years of the USSR.

Well, to be fair, at that time, there weren't any US troops in Ukraine, nor any US-supported coup in Kiev.


Interesting. That personalization parallels what has happened here, IIRC. Pre-Clinton, no sitting POTUS ever criticized his successors. Pre-Obama, no sitting POTUS ever denigrated a specific newscaster/commentator/news channel, or a candidate running for POTUS in an election in which he was not participating.

Several years ago I noticed that Republican and Democrat was no longer shown on campaign signs, only the candidate.

Change in social mood, and thus marketing, or the magnitude of the ego's involved?
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Re: Russia

Postby noddy » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:11 pm

Simple Minded wrote:Several years ago I noticed that Republican and Democrat was no longer shown on campaign signs, only the candidate.

Change in social mood, and thus marketing, or the magnitude of the ego's involved?


its the death of ideology, the death of ism's.

we are back to the good ole days, strong king or weak king.
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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:23 pm

It's an effect of the duopoly system. Instead of designating political ideologies, Republican/Democrat mean Friend/Enemy because the system lacks alternatives.
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Re: Russia

Postby Simple Minded » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:21 pm

YMix wrote:It's an effect of the duopoly system. Instead of designating political ideologies, Republican/Democrat mean Friend/Enemy because the system lacks alternatives.


I can see that. When the "defined ideologies" are no longer used as guidance, or nor difference between the two discerned (especially by us tri's :P ), the value of the label is little, and perhaps even a negative. Better to market as "Vote for Fred, he's not as evil as Joe!"

According to some, more self-define as I than D or R now.

I think the idea of personalities/celebrity as brands is also a factor. We are all brands who publish now.
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Re: Russia

Postby noddy » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:23 am

Simple Minded wrote:
YMix wrote:It's an effect of the duopoly system. Instead of designating political ideologies, Republican/Democrat mean Friend/Enemy because the system lacks alternatives.


I can see that. When the "defined ideologies" are no longer used as guidance, or nor difference between the two discerned (especially by us tri's :P ), the value of the label is little, and perhaps even a negative. Better to market as "Vote for Fred, he's not as evil as Joe!"

According to some, more self-define as I than D or R now.

I think the idea of personalities/celebrity as brands is also a factor. We are all brands who publish now.


http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/

this is our current prime ministers website - not one mention of his political party to be seen ! you can read the entire front page and not know who he is the leader of :)
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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:49 pm

Speaking of gopniki and assorted... people.

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Re: Russia

Postby YMix » Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:00 pm

I might have posted this before, but it bears repeating:

William Perry, who was defence secretary in Bill Clinton’s administration from 1994 to 1997, emphasised that in the past five years it has been Vladimir Putin’s military interventions in Ukraine, Syria and elsewhere that have driven the downward spiral in east-west relations.

But Perry added that during his term in office, cooperation between the two countries’ militaries had improved rapidly just a few years after the fall of the Soviet Union and that these gains were initially squandered more as a result of US than Russian actions.

“In the last few years, most of the blame can be pointed at the actions that Putin has taken. But in the early years I have to say that the United States deserves much of the blame,” Perry said, speaking at a Guardian Live event in London.

“Our first action that really set us off in a bad direction was when Nato started to expand, bringing in eastern European nations, some of them bordering Russia. At that time we were working closely with Russia and they were beginning to get used to the idea that Nato could be a friend rather than an enemy... but they were very uncomfortable about having Nato right up on their border and they made a strong appeal for us not to go ahead with that.”

In his memoir, My Journey at the Nuclear Brink, Perry writes that he argued for a slower expansion of Nato so as not to alienate Russia during the initial period of post-Soviet courtship and cooperation. Richard Holbrooke, the US diplomat, led the opposing argument at the time, and was ultimately supported by the vice-president, Al Gore, who argued “we could manage the problems this would create with Russia”.

Perry said the decision reflected a contemptuous attitude among US officials towards the troubled former superpower.

“It wasn’t that we listened to their argument and said he don’t agree with that argument,” he said. “Basically the people I was arguing with when I tried to put the Russian point... the response that I got was really: ‘Who cares what they think? They’re a third-rate power.’ And of course that point of view got across to the Russians as well. That was when we started sliding down that path.”

Perry considered resigning over the issue “but I concluded that my resignation would be misinterpreted as opposition to Nato membership that I greatly favoured – just not right away”.

He sees the second major misstep by Washington DC as the Bush administration’s decision to deploy a ballistic missile defence system in eastern Europe in the face of determined opposition from Moscow. Perry said: “We rationalised [the system] as being to defend against an Iranian nuclear missile – they don’t have any but that’s another issue. But the Russians said ‘Wait a bit, this weakens our deterrence.’ The issue again wasn’t discussed on the basis of its merits – it was just ‘who cares about what Russia thinks.’ We dismissed it again.”
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Re: Russia

Postby Typhoon » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:05 pm

noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:Several years ago I noticed that Republican and Democrat was no longer shown on campaign signs, only the candidate.

Change in social mood, and thus marketing, or the magnitude of the ego's involved?


its the death of ideology, the death of ism's.

we are back to the good ole days, strong king or weak king.


Indeed.

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Re: Russia

Postby noddy » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:00 am

Typhoon wrote:
noddy wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:Several years ago I noticed that Republican and Democrat was no longer shown on campaign signs, only the candidate.

Change in social mood, and thus marketing, or the magnitude of the ego's involved?


its the death of ideology, the death of ism's.

we are back to the good ole days, strong king or weak king.


Indeed.

NY Rev Books | Putin: The Rule of the [Mafia] Family


the proof of this theory will be the post putin outcome.

* all the underlings squabbling in a borderline civil war == putin was the strongman godfather holding it all together.
* smoothly replaced with new guy == putin was the figurehead on a political organisation that is bigger than him.

ive read so many articles claiming one or the other, my instincts are towards the latter as the gorbie chaos should (might?) provide clear incentive for the russian elite to not let things get that bad again.
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Re: Russia

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:30 am

Simple Minded wrote:
Alexis wrote:
Actually, said my wife - who should know - the Soviet Union in its latter years did have anti-American caricatures, but they were not personalized. It was the stereotypical "Uncle Sam" who was the target, not any actual person like a US president. So this is more acid than the mellower years of the USSR.

Well, to be fair, at that time, there weren't any US troops in Ukraine, nor any US-supported coup in Kiev.


Interesting. That personalization parallels what has happened here, IIRC. Pre-Clinton, no sitting POTUS ever criticized his successors. Pre-Obama, no sitting POTUS ever denigrated a specific newscaster/commentator/news channel, or a candidate running for POTUS in an election in which he was not participating.

Several years ago I noticed that Republican and Democrat was no longer shown on campaign signs, only the candidate.

Change in social mood, and thus marketing, or the magnitude of the ego's involved?

Simple substitution of colors and symbols for words.
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Re: Russia

Postby Heracleum Persicum » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:44 am




Putin cracked a joke, hinting that America’s top diplomat may have brought money “to haggle with.”

“But today when I saw the footage of you going down the plane and carrying your luggage I was a bit upset… On the one hand, it’s quite a democratic way of conduct, but on the other hand, I thought, probably, the situation in the United States is not that good. There is no one to assist the Secretary of State carry his luggage,” Putin said.

“Then I thought there was something in that briefcase of yours you couldn’t trust anyone else with. Probably you brought some money to haggle with on key matters”.



:lol:


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Re: Russia

Postby Typhoon » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:39 pm

Heracleum Persicum wrote:


Putin cracked a joke, hinting that America’s top diplomat may have brought money “to haggle with.”

“But today when I saw the footage of you going down the plane and carrying your luggage I was a bit upset… On the one hand, it’s quite a democratic way of conduct, but on the other hand, I thought, probably, the situation in the United States is not that good. There is no one to assist the Secretary of State carry his luggage,” Putin said.

“Then I thought there was something in that briefcase of yours you couldn’t trust anyone else with. Probably you brought some money to haggle with on key matters”.



:lol:


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Hoping, actually . . .

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