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Cuba’s President surprised everybody stating that Cuba is ready to talk and mend fences with US, as long as the conversation is between equals.

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"Any day they want, the table is set. This has already been said through diplomatic channels,"
Castro said. "If they want to talk, we will talk."

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Ahhh, Cuba,lovely island.
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
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Mainland Cuba is a Republican Republic :-)

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planctom wrote:Ahhh, Cuba,lovely island.
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
Thank You Very Much for Your post, Planctom/Joao Paolo
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
Except for Mainland Cuba* ;) 8-) :lol: which besides having the possibly the most popular Hispano of all time, Desi Arnaz/Ricky Ricardo, has just elected a U.S. Senator, Marco Rubio, who may become the Vice President, maybe even President of UZ.........

*a.k.a. Miami/South Florida.............
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Since the Olympics, the British union flag is all the rage in Cuba. Unlike Americans, we don't have hang ups about "desecrating the flag" if it is on the bottom of jeans, tattoos etc. It is just strikes one as amusing, flattering and rather weird.
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Torchwood wrote:Since the Olympics, the British union flag is all the rage in Cuba. Unlike Americans, we don't have hang ups about "desecrating the flag" if it is on the bottom of jeans, tattoos etc. It is just strikes one as amusing, flattering and rather weird.
So the London Olympics could be considered a success in this regard :wink:

{Not that they weren't a success in other regards.]
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US Spring break in Cuba?
“In fact, I’ve often felt that if we want a real get-tough policy with the Castro brothers, we should force them to deal with spring break once or twice,” Flake quipped Thursday during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s hearing on President Barack Obama’s nomination of U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., for secretary of State.
Flake, R-Ariz., is a free-trade advocate who has long pushed to allow Americans to travel freely to Cuba, a privilege that they haven’t enjoyed since President John F. Kennedy’s administration because of punitive U.S. economic policies aimed at toppling Fidel Castro. The longtime Cuban dictator in recent years has handed power to brother Raúl Castro.
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Cuba has already survived Garcia Menocal, Batista and the Castro brothers. Asking them to survive American frat boys on spring break is too much. Haven't they suffered enough?
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planctom wrote:Ahhh, Cuba,lovely island.
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
Cuba's political regime is the Cubans problem, not yours or America's... And it could even be that a majority of Cubans prefer to have little money but be sure of having a job, free education and good health care for all, even at the cost of not being able to freely elect their government.
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Endovelico wrote:
planctom wrote:Ahhh, Cuba,lovely island.
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
Cuba's political regime is the Cubans problem, not yours or America's... And it could even be that a majority of Cubans prefer to have little money but be sure of having a job, free education and good health care for all, even at the cost of not being able to freely elect their government.
If a majority of Cubans support the government, then they would support it in a free and fair election. There hasn't been such an election.
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Azrael wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
planctom wrote:Ahhh, Cuba,lovely island.
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
Cuba's political regime is the Cubans problem, not yours or America's... And it could even be that a majority of Cubans prefer to have little money but be sure of having a job, free education and good health care for all, even at the cost of not being able to freely elect their government.
If a majority of Cubans support the government, then they would support it in a free and fair election. There hasn't been such an election.
Spot on Azrael.
If You want to boycot american products because You do not agree wilh American policies regarding terrorism and civil rights then I can and will criticize Kastro's Diktatorship.
C' mon, Endo, this is a discussion board!!!
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planctom wrote:
Azrael wrote:
Endovelico wrote:
planctom wrote:Ahhh, Cuba,lovely island.
Too bad it's the longest dictatorship in L. A.
Cuba's political regime is the Cubans problem, not yours or America's... And it could even be that a majority of Cubans prefer to have little money but be sure of having a job, free education and good health care for all, even at the cost of not being able to freely elect their government.
If a majority of Cubans support the government, then they would support it in a free and fair election. There hasn't been such an election.
Spot on Azrael.
If You want to boycot american products because You do not agree wilh American policies regarding terrorism and civil rights then I can and will criticize Kastro's Diktatorship.
C' mon, Endo, this is a discussion board!!!
I'm not disputing YOUR right to criticize Cuba. I'm criticizing the US government's imperialistic interference with Cuba and other countries.
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The embargo is counterproductive and should be ended. All of my relatives agree, especially those that are still in Cuba.

However, that doesn't excuse the democracy deficit (which predates the Castros).

Have a free and fair election. Let the people decide.

They'll keep what is good, and as for what is bad, they might try something new.
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Azrael wrote:The embargo is counterproductive and should be ended. All of my relatives agree, especially those that are still in Cuba.

However, that doesn't excuse the democracy deficit (which predates the Castros).

Have a free and fair election. Let the people decide.

They'll keep what is good, and as for what is bad, they might try something new.
The trouble is that no freely elected government has ever been able to keep the social safety netting which radical socialism has implemented in countries like Cuba. Capitalism generates accumulation of wealth to a point that makes funding of social programmes very doubtful. Scandinavian countries have come closest to solving this problem, but even they have not fully succeeded. I'm not saying that we can't have social protection AND liberty together, but I doubt we can do that within a capitalist economy.
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Elections for Cuba..... Foot Voting.......

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Endovelico wrote:
Azrael wrote:The embargo is counterproductive and should be ended. All of my relatives agree, especially those that are still in Cuba.

However, that doesn't excuse the democracy deficit (which predates the Castros).

Have a free and fair election. Let the people decide.

They'll keep what is good, and as for what is bad, they might try something new.
The trouble is that no freely elected government has ever been able to keep the social safety netting which radical socialism has implemented in countries like Cuba. Capitalism generates accumulation of wealth to a point that makes funding of social programmes very doubtful. Scandinavian countries have come closest to solving this problem, but even they have not fully succeeded. I'm not saying that we can't have social protection AND liberty together, but I doubt we can do that within a capitalist economy.
Thank You Very Much for your post, Endo.......

So should there be free elections in Cuba or not.......

And in Socialist Hell Holes ;) :twisted: oops I mean nations even worse.....*

With social safety netting :roll: on the order of say North Korea ;) **


*To be fair, AIUI things have improved a little since Raul more or less took over from Fidel.........

IIRC just on the news a few days ago, Cuba is now making it easier for Cubans to vote the most important way.......

With their feet........... ;) :lol:

If North Korea did that....
The place would likely be a ghost town...... :shock:
Instead of a Zombie town........ :twisted: :lol: :evil: :roll:

Should Citizens of Socialist Countries be allowed to freely vote with their feet?


**Not that many places where you get to eat long pork/human chaos monkey meat........ :twisted:

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Endovelico wrote:
Azrael wrote:The embargo is counterproductive and should be ended. All of my relatives agree, especially those that are still in Cuba.

However, that doesn't excuse the democracy deficit (which predates the Castros).

Have a free and fair election. Let the people decide.

They'll keep what is good, and as for what is bad, they might try something new.
The trouble is that no freely elected government has ever been able to keep the social safety netting which radical socialism has implemented in countries like Cuba.
The governments of Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc. are all democratically elected and all have social safety netting.
Capitalism generates accumulation of wealth to a point that makes funding of social programmes very doubtful. Scandinavian countries have come closest to solving this problem, but even they have not fully succeeded.
They've succeeded better than Cuba has.
I'm not saying that we can't have social protection AND liberty together, but I doubt we can do that within a capitalist economy.
Tell that to the people of Sweden.
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Cuban flag flies in Washington as relations restored

Cuba and the US have formally restored diplomatic relations after an agreement struck last year putting aside decades of hostility came into force.

Just after midnight local time, the diplomatic missions of each country became full embassies.

The Cuban flag was raised on Monday at the newly opened embassy in Washington.

"Nothing is more futile than trying to live in the past," said US Secretary of State John Kerry.

"We're taking a historic and long overdue step in the right direction."

Despite the historic shift, both sides admit to lingering difficulties.

There were still "issues that we don't see eye to eye on", a US state department spokesman said.

A flag will not be raised at the American Embassy in Havana until Mr Kerry pays a visit there on 14 August.

Bruno Rodriguez, Cuba's minister of foreign affairs, called for a removal of the 53-year-old US trade embargo and for the US to return Guantanamo Bay to Cuba.

"I will welcome Mr Kerry in a few weeks and continue talks," Mr Rodriguez said.

Outside of the embassy, crowds of people cheered as the Cuban national anthem played and three Cuban soldiers stood at attention while the flag was raised.

Protesters dotted the crowd, and one was removed from the area by police.

Mr Obama's efforts to engage Cuba were partly held back by the country's imprisonment of US Agency for International Development contractor Alan Gross, who was jailed for espionage charges. Secret negotiations led to Mr Gross's release last year.

Restrictions on Americans wanting to travel to Cuba remain in place, as does the wider US trade embargo banning most American companies from doing business in Cuba.

Cuba says the embargo - which it calls a blockade - is hugely damaging to its economy.

President Raul Castro has urged President Barack Obama to lift it, calling it the main stumbling block towards normalisations. But the US Congress would have to vote on the issue.

The two presidents announced the move towards diplomatic ties in December last year.

Conrad Tribble, deputy chief of mission for the US in Havana, tweeted: "Just made the first phone call to State Dept Ops Center from United States Embassy Havana ever. It didn't exist in Jan 1961."

He then shared the US Cuban embassy's new Twitter account, which already has more than 5,000 followers.
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Typhoon wrote:US Spring break in Cuba?
“In fact, I’ve often felt that if we want a real get-tough policy with the Castro brothers, we should force them to deal with spring break once or twice,” Flake quipped Thursday during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s hearing on President Barack Obama’s nomination of U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., for secretary of State.
Flake, R-Ariz., is a free-trade advocate who has long pushed to allow Americans to travel freely to Cuba, a privilege that they haven’t enjoyed since President John F. Kennedy’s administration because of punitive U.S. economic policies aimed at toppling Fidel Castro. The longtime Cuban dictator in recent years has handed power to brother Raúl Castro.
Flake is right.

The embargo should end.
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Cuba has come up with an unusual way to repay its multimillion dollar debt to the Czech Republic - bottles of its famous rum, officials in Prague say.

The Czech finance ministry said Havana had raised this possibility during recent negotiations on the issue.

Cuba owes the Czech authorities $276m (£222m), and if the offer is accepted the Czechs would have enough Cuban rum for more than a century.
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Endovelico wrote:
Azrael wrote:The embargo is counterproductive and should be ended. All of my relatives agree, especially those that are still in Cuba.

However, that doesn't excuse the democracy deficit (which predates the Castros).

Have a free and fair election. Let the people decide.

They'll keep what is good, and as for what is bad, they might try something new.
The trouble is that no freely elected government has ever been able to keep the social safety netting which radical socialism has implemented in countries like Cuba. Capitalism generates accumulation of wealth to a point that makes funding of social programmes very doubtful. Scandinavian countries have come closest to solving this problem, but even they have not fully succeeded. I'm not saying that we can't have social protection AND liberty together, but I doubt we can do that within a capitalist economy.
Well, there is overwhelming empirical evidence that it can't be done in a socialist/communist economy.

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Miguel Diaz-Canal replaces Raul Castro as Cuba's president,
finally achieving what sixty years of CIA assassination attempts could not.
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Typhoon wrote:
Miguel Diaz-Canal replaces Raul Castro as Cuba's president,
finally achieving what sixty years of CIA assassination attempts could not.
Castro still retains control of the military and economy, and has appointed ex-revolutionaries to ride herd on Diaz-Canal.
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https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking- ... st-in-cuba
BREAKING: Thousands protest in Cuba, calling for the end of communist dictatorship

Thousands of Cubans took to the streets in multiple Cuban cities on Sunday to protest its communist dictatorship and demand its end.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:33 pm
Typhoon wrote:
Miguel Diaz-Canal replaces Raul Castro as Cuba's president,
finally achieving what sixty years of CIA assassination attempts could not.
Castro still retains control of the military and economy, and has appointed ex-revolutionaries to ride herd on Diaz-Canal.
That might have been true when you wrote the post (2018); but as of April 2021, Raul Castro is no longer the leader of the Communist Party of Cuba.
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Brecher wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:14 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:33 pm
Typhoon wrote:
Miguel Diaz-Canal replaces Raul Castro as Cuba's president,
finally achieving what sixty years of CIA assassination attempts could not.
Castro still retains control of the military and economy, and has appointed ex-revolutionaries to ride herd on Diaz-Canal.
That might have been true when you wrote the post (2018); but as of April 2021, Raul Castro is no longer the leader of the Communist Party of Cuba.
So who is keeping an eye on Castro's Son and leader of its Canadian colony? :D
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