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How many threads in which Azari spunks off about Iran does this forum actually need?
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Sparky wrote:How many threads in which Azari spunks off about Iran does this forum actually need?
Indeed. However, we did lack a Latin America thread.

If the posts here persist in being only Iran related, they will be moved to the Iran thread.
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The Malvinas Thread

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Sparky wrote:.

I never expected to see yet another thread created by Our man in Tehran which is apparently about X but is really an excuse to warble on about some dopey Iranian pish.

What a complete surprise.

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Sparky , what the genuflect you doing on other people's property, Argentinian Malvinas ?

Would it make sense if Ahmadinejat declares "Isle of Man" Iranian territory ?

Come on shithead, come on

and

get off my back,

you have something intelligent to add to the subject, most welcome to say, otherwise piss off


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Malvinas thread merged into this one.
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AzariLoveIran wrote:
Sparky wrote:.

I never expected to see yet another thread created by Our man in Tehran which is apparently about X but is really an excuse to warble on about some dopey Iranian pish.

What a complete surprise.

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Sparky , what the genuflect you doing on other people's property, Argentinian Malvinas ?

Would it make sense if Ahmadinejat declares "Isle of Man" Iranian territory ?

Come on shithead, come on

and

get off my back,

you have something intelligent to add to the subject, most welcome to say, otherwise piss off


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Hmmmmmn...............

Long possession vs. geography ................. what the inhabitants want vs. outsiders not living there.......

Who can maintain the islands best........... so far the Brits ...........

Argentina was purgatory on Earth not too long ago.......... AIUI Ferfal thinks it's sliding that way again..........

But the Islands are a looooooong way from Britain and who knows what will happen to ANY place with a fiat fractional reserve currency these days......

FWIW, I looked up the wiki on this............

History to 1982
Main articles: History of the Falkland Islands and Timeline of the history of the Falkland Islands

There is controversy as to who was first to discover the Falkland Islands, with competing Portuguese, Spanish and British claims in the 16th century.[11] The first reliable sighting is usually attributed to the Dutch explorer Sebald de Weert in 1600, who named the archipelago the Sebald Islands, a name they bore on Dutch maps into the 19th century.[12]

In 1690, Captain John Strong of the Welfare en route to Puerto Deseado was driven off course and reached the Falkland Islands instead, landing at Bold Cove. Sailing between the two principal islands he called the passage "Falkland Channel" (now Falkland Sound), after Anthony Cary, 5th Viscount Falkland, who as Commissioner of the Admiralty had financed the expedition. The island group takes its English name from this body of water.[13]
John Byron, by Joshua Reynolds, 1759.

In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland.[14] In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.[15] Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III. Spain acquired the French colony in 1767 and placed it under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. In 1770, Spain attacked Port Egmont and expelled the British presence, bringing the two countries to the brink of war. War was avoided by a peace treaty and the British return to Port Egmont.[16]

In 1774, economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War forced Great Britain to withdraw from many overseas settlements.[16][17] Upon withdrawal the British left behind a plaque asserting her continued claim. Spain maintained its governor until 1806 who, on his departure, left behind a plaque asserting Spanish claims. The remaining settlers were withdrawn by the United Provinces of the River Plate in 1811.[16]

In 1820, storm damage forced the privateer Heroína to take shelter in the islands.[18] Her captain David Jewett raised the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate and read a proclamation claiming the islands.[18] This became public knowledge in Buenos Aires nearly a year later following the publication of the proclamation in the Salem Gazette.[18] After several abortive attempts, Luis Vernet established a settlement in 1828 after seeking authorisation from both British and Argentine authorities.[19]

A dispute over fishing and hunting rights resulted in a raid by the US warship USS Lexington in 1831.[19][20] The log of the Lexington reports only the destruction of arms and a powder store, though in his claim against the US Government for compensation (rejected by the US Government of President Cleveland in 1885) Vernet stated that the settlement was destroyed.[19] The Islands were declared free from all government, the seven senior members of the settlement were arrested for piracy[21] and taken to Montevideo,[20] where they were released without charge on the orders of Commodore Rogers.[22]

In November 1832, Argentina sent Commander Mestivier as an interim commander to found a penal settlement, but he was killed in a mutiny after 4 days.[23] The following January, British forces returned and requested the Argentine garrison leave. Don Pinedo, captain of the ARA Sarandi and senior officer present, protested but ultimately complied. Vernet's settlement continued, with the Irishman William Dickson tasked with raising the British flag for passing ships. Vernet's deputy, Matthew Brisbane, returned and was encouraged by the British to continue with the enterprise.[24][25][26] The settlement continued until August 1833, when the leaders were killed in the so-called Gaucho murders. Subsequently, from 1834 the islands were governed as a naval station until 1840 when the British Government decided to establish a permanent colony.[27]
Road sign to the capital

A new harbour was built in Stanley,[28] and the islands became a strategic point for navigation around Cape Horn. A World War I naval battle, the Battle of the Falkland Islands, took place in December 1914, with a British victory over the smaller Imperial German Asiatic Fleet.[29] During World War II, Stanley served as a Royal Navy station and serviced ships which took part in the 1939 Battle of the River Plate.[30]

Sovereignty over the islands became an issue in the second half of the 20th century, when Argentina saw the creation of the UN as an opportunity to pursue its claim. Talks between British and Argentine foreign missions took place in the 1960s but failed to come to any meaningful conclusion. A major sticking point in all the negotiations was that the inhabitants preferred that the islands remain British territory.[31]

A result of these talks, was the establishment of the islands' first air link. In 1971, the Argentine state airline LADE began a service between Comodoro Rivadavia and Stanley. A temporary strip was followed by the construction of a permanent airfield and flights between Stanley and Comodoro Rivadavia continued until 1982.[32][33][34] Further agreements gave YPF, the Argentine national oil and gas company, a monopoly over the supply of the islands' energy needs.[35]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_I ... _aftermath

Over 140 years of exclusive possession by the Brits Argentina made the doomed attempt.............
Sovereignty dispute
A sign at the Argentine-Brazilian border, translated into English, proclaims "The Malvinas are Argentine". There are several signs like this in the country
Main article: Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute

Although the United Nations Committee on Decolonization includes the Falkland Islands on the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories,[46] it has been asserted that the Falkland Islands is one of 16 territories which have too small a population "to survive as viable, fully independent state."[47] Both the United Kingdom and the Argentine governments claim responsibility for the islands. United Kingdom bases its claim on continuous administration of the islands since 1833 (apart from the Argentine military occupation in 1982) and the Islanders’ "right to self determination, including their right to remain British if that is their wish".[48] Argentina claims that it acquired the islands from Spain when Argentina became independent in 1811 and that the United Kingdom exceeded their authority by expelling the Argentine settlers in 1833.[49] The islanders reject the Argentine sovereignty claim.[50]
Before the Falklands War

Shortly after the formation of the United Nations in 1945, Argentina asserted its right to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. In 1947, the United Kingdom offered to submit the case to the International Court of Justice at The Hague, but Argentina refused the offer. A unilateral application by the United Kingdom in 1955 to the Court in respect of Argentine encroachment ended in deadlock when Argentina announced that it would not respect the decision of the court.[51]

In the late 1960s, as part of the United Kingdom's decolonisation policy, secret discussions were held by the British and Argentine governments to identify a means by which the United Kingdom could cede the islands to Argentina while protecting the rights and way of life of the Islanders. Details of the talks were leaked and the islanders protested against the talks having taken place. Subsequently however, economic and transport links between Argentina and the Islands were established, but the political situation remained unchanged.[52] In April 1982, four months after Leopoldo Galtieri became President of Argentina, Argentine military forces invaded the islands leading to the Falklands War.
Which led to the overthrow of the military dictatorship, the Brits did Argentina a favor unintentionally............

Perhaps the real victim here was the Warrah*
Would it make sense if Ahmadinejat declares "Isle of Man" Iranian territory ?
If Iranians had colonized the Isle of Man as long as the Brits have the Falklands, Iran could make a claim that the Isle of Man was a Persian enclave perhaps somewhat like Belize........

This situation reminds me a bit of Gibraltar where so far at least the inhabitants prefer to remain British subjects...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar


Tend to say let the inhabitants decide if who they choose can afford to maintain them...............


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The Falkland Islands Wolf (Dusicyon australis), also known as the Warrah and occasionally as the Falkland Islands Dog, Falkland Islands Fox or Antarctic Wolf, was the only native land mammal of the Falkland Islands. This endemic canid became extinct in 1876 (on West Falkland island), the first known canid to have gone extinct in historical times. It was the only modern species in the genus Dusicyon.

The first recorded sighting was by Capt. John Strong in 1690.[7] Captain Strong took one of the animals on his ship, but during the voyage back to Europe the creature became frightened by the firing of the ship’s cannon and jumped overboard.[7][8] Louis Antoine de Bougainville, who established the first settlement in the Falkland Islands termed it a loup-renard ("fox-wolf"). The name "warrah" is a corruption of the term aguará (meaning "fox" in Guaraní, a Native American language ), because of its similarity to the Maned Wolf ("aguará guazú"). The warrah's Latin name translates into "foolish dog of the south", because of its apparent lack of fear of people.'

Traditionally it had been supposed that the most closely related genus was Lycalopex, including the Culpeo, which has been introduced to the Falkland Islands in modern times. However, in 2009, a cladistic analysis of DNA identified the Falkland Island wolf's closest living relative as the Maned Wolf (Chrysocyon brachyurus)—an unusually long-legged, fox-like South American canid, from which it separated about 6.7 million years ago.[3]

The Falkland Islands Wolf existed on both West and East Falkland, but Charles Darwin was uncertain if they were differentiated varieties.[4] Its fur had a tawny colour. The tip of the tail was white. The diet is unknown, but due to the absence of native rodents on the Falklands, its diet probably consisted of ground-nesting birds such as geese and penguins, grubs and insects, as well as seashore scavenging.[5] It has sometimes been said that it may have dwelt in burrows.[6]

When Charles Darwin visited the islands in 1833 he named the species Canis antarcticus, present on both West and East Falkland, and tame. However, at the time of his visit the animal was already very rare on East Falkland, and even on West Falkland its numbers were declining rapidly. He predicted that the animal would join the Dodo among the extinct within "a very few years." It was hunted for its valuable fur, and the settlers, regarding the wolf as a threat to their sheep, poisoned it.[9] There were no forests for the animal to hide in, and it had no fear of man; it was possible to lure the animal with a chunk of meat held in one hand, and kill it with a knife or stick held in the other. However, it would defend itself occasionally if it needed to, as Admiral George Grey noted when they landed on West Falkland at Port Edgar on December 17, 1836:

I landed in the creek and had hardly put a foot on shore, when one of the foxes of the country was chased by Pilot. I ran up as they were fighting and came to the poor dog's assistance who had nearly met his match, and a rifle ball soon settled the business, but the Pilot had received a terrible bite in the leg.

A live wolf was taken to London Zoo, England in 1868.[10] Another "Antarctic Wolf" arrived in 1870. Neither animal survived long. Only a dozen or so museum specimens exist today.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrah

Sad story .......... Would be tempting to rule that whoever revives & re-establishes the Warrah should get the nod in the case of a tie decision ;) 8-) :(

But that is approaching the Outer Limits ;) Remembering a time line where some aliens did that for us............

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monster_gardener ,

Dont rely on WiKi .. WiKi is a politcial tool

:lol: .. :D
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She dismissed Cameron's "colonialism" comments as "nonsense," noting :

"The United Nations Committee on Decolonization has 16 cases open on places that remain colonies, of which 10 are British colonies, and one of the best known is our beloved Malvinas islands."

[..]

“We are not part of any country’s invading strike force,” Kirchner said in a swipe at Britain’s international military role.

“Our armed forces only take part in peacekeeping missions. And that is a political decisions of democratic governments since 1983.”

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Brits living from parasitivism .. First they were stealing Iranian Oil, later established Oil wells with flags called Kuwait, UEA, Brunei and and and

and now Malvinas


THE evil empire


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Re: Latin America Thread

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UK deploying nuclear weapons near Falkland Islands


Nuclear weapons are to intimidate and steal non nuclear nations wealth, natural resources

So, Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner), why not Argentina too become a nuclear nation

Wouldn't take Argentina long .. my guess is less than 2 yrs


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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

UK deploying nuclear weapons near Falkland Islands


Nuclear weapons are to intimidate and steal non nuclear nations wealth, natural resources

So, Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner), why not Argentina too become a nuclear nation

Wouldn't take Argentina long .. my guess is less than 2 yrs


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

With all due respect, Azari, IMVVHO encouraging Argentina to get nukes is a VERY Bad idea.

We, the nutcases of the North: US, Rus, China, Euros, India, Israel, Pak, Nork, and very soon if not already Iran/Persia already have enough to destroy the world already......... If the approaching kerfuffle between Iran & Israel flares badly, as things are maybe if we/humanity are lucky the Southern Hemisphere will escape enough of the fallout that life and MAYBE civilization will survive there...........

IMVHO Britain should NOT be stationing nukes near the Falklands and Argentina should tack another tack..........

How about persuading the Falkland Islanders that it's better to be part of a friendly nearby Argentina rather than a faraway Britain........

Could be something as simple as free college tuition and transportation for Falkland Island exchange students, study animal husbandry with the Gauchos, enjoy Latin music, and the like..... Come back with an Argentine spouse and attitudes change......... Maybe you vote Argentina instead of Brit at a UN plebiscite............

After over 130 years of being there, the Falkland Islanders deserve to decide which, if any, country they want to be a part of.....

Things can change rapidly, Britain may not be able to afford adventures if its fiat currency falls under the force of the gold backed currency Iran is promoting.........

A couple of sheep herding island is not worth starting a nuke race in the Southern Hemisphere: If the Argentina gets them, who's next? Brazil, Chile, Venzuela, Columbia........ Not all of these nations are friendly with each other........

South America fought some VERY nasty intramural wars in the 19th Century: just ask Bolivia or Paraguay*

If this is another damned oil and gas field dispute a la Cyprus, IIRC someone here or on Diagetics mentioned that there are ways to come to a fair division if the parties involved are reasonable & willing.


*one of whose heroes is US President Rutherford B. Hayes because honest man Hayes settled one war dispute in Paraguay's favor. Pilgrims from Paraguay still visit Hayes' home.
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monster_gardener wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

UK deploying nuclear weapons near Falkland Islands


Nuclear weapons are to intimidate and steal non nuclear nations wealth, natural resources

So, Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner), why not Argentina too become a nuclear nation

Wouldn't take Argentina long .. my guess is less than 2 yrs


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

With all due respect, Azari, IMVVHO encouraging Argentina to get nukes is a VERY Bad idea.

We, the nutcases of the North: US, Rus, China, Euros, India, Israel, Pak, Nork, and very soon if not already Iran/Persia already have enough to destroy the world already......... If the approaching kerfuffle between Iran & Israel flares badly, as things are maybe if we/humanity are lucky the Southern Hemisphere will escape enough of the fallout that life and MAYBE civilization will survive there...........

IMVHO Britain should NOT be stationing nukes near the Falklands and Argentina should tack another tack..........

How about persuading the Falkland Islanders that it's better to be part of a friendly nearby Argentina rather than a faraway Britain........

Could be something as simple as free college tuition and transportation for Falkland Island exchange students, study animal husbandry with the Gauchos, enjoy Latin music, and the like..... Come back with an Argentine spouse and attitudes change ......... Maybe you vote Argentina instead of Brit at a UN plebiscite............

After over 130 years of being there, the Falkland Islanders deserve to decide which, if any, country they want to be a part of.....

Things can change rapidly, Britain may not be able to afford adventures if its fiat currency falls under the force of the gold backed currency Iran is promoting .........

A couple of sheep herding island is not worth starting a nuke race in the Southern Hemisphere: If the Argentina gets them, who's next? Brazil, Chile, Venzuela, Columbia ........ Not all of these nations are friendly with each other........

South America fought some VERY nasty intramural wars in the 19th Century: just ask Bolivia or Paraguay*

If this is another damned oil and gas field dispute a la Cyprus, IIRC someone here or on Diagetics mentioned that there are ways to come to a fair division if the parties involved are reasonable & willing.


*one of whose heroes is US President Rutherford B. Hayes because honest man Hayes settled one war dispute in Paraguay's favor. Pilgrims from Paraguay still visit Hayes' home.

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monster_gardener, am not expert in British (and Spanish) colonial history

But , read some time ago, that Malvinas was Spanish with Spanish inhabitants for long long time .. Brit, some time ago, emptied, chased away the Spaniards and brought in Brits .. a typical colonial stunt Brits did in many places

But those times are over .. Malvinas belongs to Latino folks, to Argentina

All colonial creatures, Hong Kong went back China, Bahrain in process of chasing out the British crony shithead sunni Amir, Kuwait & Dubai & Qatar & Brunei and and and on waiting list

Why Argentina should get nuclear ?

Look, monster_gardener, NPT treaty says, nations promise not to become nuclear, and nuclear nations promise not to solve conflicts by nuclear weapons

well, Brits torpedoed Belgrano with Nuclear SUB, and now using nuclear weapons to threaten Argentina

Brits, America, French (not so China or Russia) threaten other nations with nuclear weapon .. very openly

French or Brits are no more powerful countries .. they use their nuclear weapons to get things they do not entitled to

IMVHO .. nobody should have nuclear weapons .. that is exactly what NPT treaty says ..

On one side all nations commit not to develop nuclear weapon, and, on the other side nations that have nuclear weapon commit to eliminate them

West not kept to their side of bargain, why should other side ? ?

Sheep not sheep used 2B (anymore) and lion not lion used 2B

matter of fact, nuclear weapon is a gift to smaller nations

If , Brits push too hard to usurp Argentinian just cause re Malvinas .. Argentina, might step back for a few yr, detonate a warhead and than what ?

and

All south America, specially Brazil is with Argentina .. that is why vessels flying Falkland flag banned in SA, even in Brazil

Brits should negotiate with Argentina and find an amicable settlement .. the sheep can stay :D , the rest must pack and leave Argentinian territory

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Nukes are not the solution to the Falklands

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AzariLoveIran wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

UK deploying nuclear weapons near Falkland Islands


Nuclear weapons are to intimidate and steal non nuclear nations wealth, natural resources

So, Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner), why not Argentina too become a nuclear nation

Wouldn't take Argentina long .. my guess is less than 2 yrs


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

With all due respect, Azari, IMVVHO encouraging Argentina to get nukes is a VERY Bad idea.

We, the nutcases of the North: US, Rus, China, Euros, India, Israel, Pak, Nork, and very soon if not already Iran/Persia already have enough to destroy the world already......... If the approaching kerfuffle between Iran & Israel flares badly, as things are maybe if we/humanity are lucky the Southern Hemisphere will escape enough of the fallout that life and MAYBE civilization will survive there...........

IMVHO Britain should NOT be stationing nukes near the Falklands and Argentina should tack another tack..........

How about persuading the Falkland Islanders that it's better to be part of a friendly nearby Argentina rather than a faraway Britain........

Could be something as simple as free college tuition and transportation for Falkland Island exchange students, study animal husbandry with the Gauchos, enjoy Latin music, and the like..... Come back with an Argentine spouse and attitudes change ......... Maybe you vote Argentina instead of Brit at a UN plebiscite............

After over 130 years of being there, the Falkland Islanders deserve to decide which, if any, country they want to be a part of.....

Things can change rapidly, Britain may not be able to afford adventures if its fiat currency falls under the force of the gold backed currency Iran is promoting .........

A couple of sheep herding island is not worth starting a nuke race in the Southern Hemisphere: If the Argentina gets them, who's next? Brazil, Chile, Venzuela, Columbia ........ Not all of these nations are friendly with each other........

South America fought some VERY nasty intramural wars in the 19th Century: just ask Bolivia or Paraguay*

If this is another damned oil and gas field dispute a la Cyprus, IIRC someone here or on Diagetics mentioned that there are ways to come to a fair division if the parties involved are reasonable & willing.


*one of whose heroes is US President Rutherford B. Hayes because honest man Hayes settled one war dispute in Paraguay's favor. Pilgrims from Paraguay still visit Hayes' home.

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monster_gardener, am not expert in British (and Spanish) colonial history

But , read some time ago, that Malvinas was Spanish with Spanish inhabitants for long long time .. Brit, some time ago, emptied, chased away the Spaniards and brought in Brits .. a typical colonial stunt Brits did in many places

But those times are over .. Malvinas belongs to Latino folks, to Argentina

All colonial creatures, Hong Kong went back China, Bahrain in process of chasing out the British crony shithead sunni Amir, Kuwait & Dubai & Qatar & Brunei and and and on waiting list

Why Argentina should get nuclear ?

Look, monster_gardener, NPT treaty says, nations promise not to become nuclear, and nuclear nations promise not to solve conflicts by nuclear weapons

well, Brits torpedoed Belgrano with Nuclear SUB, and now using nuclear weapons to threaten Argentina

Brits, America, French (not so China or Russia) threaten other nations with nuclear weapon .. very openly

French or Brits are no more powerful countries .. they use their nuclear weapons to get things they do not entitled to

IMVHO .. nobody should have nuclear weapons .. that is exactly what NPT treaty says ..

On one side all nations commit not to develop nuclear weapon, and, on the other side nations that have nuclear weapon commit to eliminate them

West not kept to their side of bargain, why should other side ? ?

Sheep not sheep used 2B (anymore) and lion not lion used 2B

matter of fact, nuclear weapon is a gift to smaller nations

If , Brits push too hard to usurp Argentinian just cause re Malvinas .. Argentina, might step back for a few yr, detonate a warhead and than what ?

and

All south America, specially Brazil is with Argentina .. that is why vessels flying Falkland flag banned in SA, even in Brazil

Brits should negotiate with Argentina and find an amicable settlement .. the sheep can stay :D , the rest must pack and leave Argentinian territory

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Thank you Very MUch for your post, Azari

monster_gardener, am not expert in British (and Spanish) colonial history
If you have time, it might be good to look into it.............. Learn some of the good, the bad and the ugly of it :wink: Just like I have had to update my sometimes spotty Persian history........ Cyrus, Darius, Xerxes, Shapur, & Yadizgerd & Omar Khayyam & Ralph Nader oops ;) I mean Nader Shah & the Shah just isn't enough anymore.........

Brits not always bad...... Ask the Moskito :twisted: Indians who was out to exterminate :twisted: their autonomy............ Not the Brits, the Moskitos would love to have their chief be a vassal of the Queen again and get protection from the local Latinos backed by US/Uz :( or at least our fruity companies :evil: .......... There are similar example elsewhere.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskito_In ... o_Alliance

Brief free Tragicomic patchwork South American history lesson on the fly............

I the 19th & 20th Century Latin America produced some great and noble leaders, Bolivar, San Martin, Bernardo O'Higgins, Dom Pedro II, Joaquin Balaguer & from a Jewish perspective Rafael Trujillo. It also produced some crazy &/or evil ones who I and saner folks would not want anywhere near a nuclear firing button. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Paraguay had some of the most tragically comic ones........ The first president decreed the death penalty for looking at the Presidential Palace. Another one required all men to wear hats so that they would have to tip the hats in respect to him in the street :o :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: IIRC he had his mother declared a Saint or the Virgin but also had her horsewhipped :shock: . Paraguay engaged in a horrible war under a President with delusions of being the Napoleon of the South who nearly conquered much of South America but ended up with a generation decimated and Paraguay landlocked. Fought another war with Bolivia over a piece of territory well named the "Green Hell" ending up in a stalemate which U.S. President Rutherford B. Hayes adjudicated in Paraguay's favor: probably a good thing as the Bolivians died like flies in the lowland climate of the Green Hell. Hayes is still a hero in Paraguay. In the 20th Century, Paraguay became Home Away from Home for Nazis like Mengele :evil: :evil: :evil: ........... Not that Paraquay is a bad country: just has had a number of bad/crazy leaders. Paraguay has a better than average record with the Native American Indians perhaps thanks to the dissident Jesuits who tried to find a better way than making slaves of the Indians and that crazy 1st President who mandated inter-racial marriage. Guarani, an Indian language, is one of Paraguay's official languages.

If you want links, I'll try to find them.

Further North in Central America, a war was once fought over a soccer game......... A funnier example is the Central America dictator who instead of executing his political opponent, appointed him Ambassador to a country with which the dictator did NOT have diplomatic relations.........

Returning to Argentina, SanMartin deferred to Bolivar who ultimately failed to unite SA into the US of SA. Had a nasty civil war with secret police murders but developed into an advanced country which ended up being a Homeland for Nazis :evil: :evil: :evil: instead of Jews...... In spite of that, an advanced country which went to Hell or at least Purgatory in a hand basket not so long ago..........

Fernando Ferfal Aguirre, "Ferfal" reports on what can happen to a fairly nice place to live when the politicians and the money go baaadddd....

http://www.amazon.com/dp/9870563457?tag ... NQNZC4AF5&

Could be coming to a towns and cities near US :(

(Hat tip: to DOU Bezerk Savant)

If Argentina want the Falklands, it needs to prove to the Falkland Islanders that it can be a good place to live............


NOTE: Joao Paulo should be an even better source on Latin History than I am.............. Are you here Joao?

well, Brits torpedoed Belgrano with Nuclear SUB, and now using nuclear weapons to threaten Argentina
I remember that.......... Quite sad.......... Remember reading a satiric British book about the Falkland War: the Argentine Junta and the Iron Lady fighting over who was going to "bagsie" the Islands....... End result, dead soldiers, and sailors on both sides, great waste of money in a failed attempt by the Generals to raise popularity............ Book didn't approve of the Junta or the Iron Lady.............

That being said AIUI the Brits did NOT use nukes to sink the Belgrano..........

That being said, the Brits should keep nuclear weapons out of this unnecessary dispute..........
Brits, America, French (not so China or Russia) threaten other nations with nuclear weapon .. very openly
Tell that to the Vietnamese, Tibetans, South Koreans, Japanese, East Europeans (rather be part of collapsing Euro than Russia) ;)
IMVHO .. nobody should have nuclear weapons .. that is exactly what NPT treaty says ..
I am for having nuclear weapons .................. used as a space propulsion system............ Orion Will Rise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Or ... pulsion%29

West not kept to their side of bargain, why should other side
A resort to nuclear weapons or better the threat thereof may be justified to prevent extermination* or enslavement but NOT over a disputed dubious claim to a couple of sheep/whaling islands...........
matter of fact, nuclear weapon is a gift to smaller nations
In German, Gift means "poison" :evil: :evil: :evil: ..............
Brits should negotiate with Argentina and find an amicable settlement .. the sheep can stay :D , the rest must pack and leave Argentinian territory
That is a non-starter...............

Better for Argentina to allow commerce to Falklands through Argentina, make it cheaper to buy Argentine than British goods..... Promote friendship and student exchange......... Beam translated Telenovelas with busty Latin actresses ;) :shock: :lol: & handsome Latin actors ;) :o t :lol: o Falklands.....
end up with bi-cultural families who vote in UN sponsored plebiscite to be part of Argentina....... or at least that any gas/oil be developed jointly: Brits have the tech but Argentina is closer for rest, recreation and support.............

Essential to all of this is that Argentina NOT do the financial/moral crash again. Have read that Ferfal thinks that Argentina may be sliding that way...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_ ... %932002%29


*Imagine a timeline where nukes became available earlier during WW2 and Jews like Abba Kovner managed to hijack some......... Not much worthwhile might be left unradioactive of your favorite European nation ............. Not an original idea- See Henry Turtledove's alien invasion series........... almost happened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Kovner
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Guatemala prez to propose legalizing drugs
(AP) – 2 days ago

GUATEMALA CITY (AP) — Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina said Saturday he will propose legalizing drugs in Central America in an upcoming meeting with the region's leaders.

Perez Molina said in a radio interview that his proposal would include decriminalizing the transportation of drugs through the area.

"I want to bring this discussion to the table," he said. "It wouldn't be a crime to transport, to move drugs. It would all have to be regulated."

Perez Molina, a former army general who took office last month, didn't give any other details about his proposal, mention specific drugs or say when the next meeting with Central American leaders will be.

He said he will bring the subject up with Salvadoran President Mauricio Funes when Funes visits Monday.

The Guatemalan president said the war on drugs and all the money and technology received from the U.S. has not diminished drug trafficking in the area.

"There was talk of the success of Plan Colombia but all it did was neutralize big cartels," Perez Molina said of a U.S. initiative supporting Colombia's fight against leftist rebels and far-right militias involved in the drug trade.

Perez Molina also blamed drug cartels for rampant violence in Guatemala, which has a homicide rate of 41 murders per 100,000 people.

The president took office pledging to wield an "iron fist" against crime.

Authorities say both the Zetas and the Sinaloa drug cartels are running and processing drugs in Guatemala and may be competing for territory, especially in the province of Peten near the border with Mexico.
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Sean Penn backs Argentina


:D .. soooo funny


I like Sean Penn .. he a good human being


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"Next year will mark 180 years since the usurpation by the government of United Kingdom, which threw out the Argentines,"

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. . U.N. Anti-Colonial Resolution 2065, which asks that Britain specifically negotiate the islands' sovereignty.
.

Look folks, in final analysis, Malvinas next door to South America and Argentina, South America strengthening Brits weakening .. and .. Britain 7,913 miles away from Malvinas

And

America, seems, this time, will be neutral

If push come to shove, Brits will lose

Viva Evita (Peron) .. Viva Argentina .. we all Argentinian

Go Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner) .. Goooooooooooo

good girl


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Let the Sunshine on Argentina and the Falklands.....

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AzariLoveIran wrote:.


"Next year will mark 180 years since the usurpation by the government of United Kingdom, which threw out the Argentines,"

.
. . U.N. Anti-Colonial Resolution 2065, which asks that Britain specifically negotiate the islands' sovereignty.
.

Look folks, in final analysis, Malvinas next door to South America and Argentina, South America strengthening Brits weakening .. and .. Britain 7,913 miles away from Malvinas

And

America, seems, this time, will be neutral

If push come to shove, Brits will lose

Viva Evita (Peron) .. Viva Argentina .. we all Argentinian

Go Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner) .. Goooooooooooo

good girl


.
Thank you Very MUCH for your post, Azari.

Something I would have missed otherwise though I could have written it....... ;)
Britain and Argentina fought over the islands in 1982. With the rhetoric heating up again, this time Argentina should try making connections, not war.
Quite right.............. Almost Duh................
Just as the generals did in 1982, the Fernandez government needs a distraction. Argentina's economy is riding a rocket of inflation that the government refuses to acknowledge. Despite an improving economy, the nation is still rife with slums and poverty. The river at the capital's southern boundary is perhaps the most toxic in the hemisphere. The 65-year alliance of Fernandez's Peronist party and big labor has abruptly collapsed. Once again, the affluent are sending their wealth into exile.
I was afraid that Ferfal might be correct again. Don't want to see the Argentines go through hell again*........ Looks like it's coming......... Hope I am wrong....
Yet 2010 polling cited in the Falklands press indicated that half of Argentina's population was OK with the British claim or doesn't care one way or the other. Of the remainder, 28% were interested not in a takeover but in some sort of shared Malvinas administration.
This suggests a possible resolution that would end the saber-rattling and reverse Fernandez's policy. As Lanata put it, "Argentina needs to integrate with the islands, not bully them."

One who recently died for this belief was Alejandro Daniel Carranza, an Argentine who'd fought in the Falklands in 1982. He kayaked from Argentine Patagonia to the islands simply to demonstrate the need for peace and fellowship between the large nation and the small. He drowned along the way. But he had the right idea.

If the Argentines really want to bring the islands into their orbit, they must drop barriers and encourage connections. They must allow the Falklanders to do business or to vacation in Argentina, just two hours away by plane compared with 20 hours for Britain; to buy and sell in Argentine markets, to honeymoon in coastal Mar del Plata, to attend Argentine universities, to learn to tango and eat beef and to intermarry.

Think I posted something like this previously..............
The destiny of geography should answer the sovereignty question with a new Falklands: a truly South American nation. Albeit the tiniest one of all.
Or the Falklanders might decide to unite with Argentina..............

Remember Aesop's fable of the cloak............. The Sun, not the cold wind got the traveler to take his cloak off............ If Argentina want's the Falklanders to take off their British cloaks in the chilly islands........ it needs to let its Sun shine just like it does on its flag.........

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Habla Espaniol ?

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Latin America : Where the world's jobs are

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"One of the great things about being [in Chile] is that there is such an opportunity to do anything," she says. "You can really start projects here, and there is a need for them." . .
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"Compared to Europe, where everything is slowing down, South America seems to be doing the complete opposite," . .
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"We see Brazil and Mexico as two definite places to be," . .
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Jobs will be outside on America .. America too busy with military stuff


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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Latin America : Where the world's jobs are

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"One of the great things about being [in Chile] is that there is such an opportunity to do anything," she says. "You can really start projects here, and there is a need for them." . .
.
.
"Compared to Europe, where everything is slowing down, South America seems to be doing the complete opposite," . .
.
.
"We see Brazil and Mexico as two definite places to be," . .
.

Jobs will be outside on America .. America too busy with military stuff


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Sí.

Interesting article.

We see Brazil and Mexico as two definite places to be," Lloyd says.
Brazil..... Could be............. Wish Joao Paulo was here to comment........

Mexico.... Not until the Narco murders are brought under control........... Vote for Ron Paul!

Argentina ............. Not sure ...Ferfal and others fear that Argentina is going to go back and do the financial crash again.. :( :( :(

But Brazil and even more so Argentina are in the Southern Hemisphere......... Good place to be if this Iran Israel US mess nukes up :( :(
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New Poll Reveals Majority Support for Socialism in Venezuela
Feb 17th 2012, by Agencia Venezolana de Noticias

A January study by polling firm International Consulting Services (ICS) has shown that 53% of Venezuelans think that the kind of socialism promoted by the current president Hugo Chavez is a political and economic system that guarantees the development of the country. Meanwhile, the same polling organisation found if the 7 October presidential elections were held tomorrow Chavez would be re-elected with 58.2% of the vote.

Juan Scorza, director of ICS, said in a television interview that “the belief that this is a positive system for the country has been reinforced," and pointed out that only 21% believe that capitalism is the system that would guarantee development for the country.

"Between socialism and capitalism, it is clear Venezuelans prefer socialism," he stated. With regard to social programs, or missions, Venezuelans gave a positive appraisal of 80%.

"This concept of socialism is that all recent [government] measures, like the Law on Fair Costs and Prices, new missions, and protection to workers are creating an environment in which there is collective benefit and that’s how people perceive it," he said.

As for problems, the director highlighted that 52.9% of Venezuelans see insecurity as the main problem in the country, followed by corruption and inflation.

"Nonetheless, [the perception of] insecurity as a problem has fallen in intensity. In October, it was at 60.2%," he added.

Presidential Election Predictions

According to a another survey held by the ICS on 13 and 14 February this week with 1200 respondants in cities throughout the country, if the presidential elections were held today in Venezuela, 58.2 percent of citizens would vote for the reelection of Hugo Chávez, as opposed to 34.5 percent for the opposition candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski.

Scorza commented that, by extensión, 48.3 percent would not vote for Radonski, the candidate of the Democratic Unity Table (MUD).

The ICS director added that if the current administration continues with its policies, which earned high approval ratings from last November through January, it is on track to emerge victorious in the presidential elections on October 7, 2012.

The survey, which had a total of 1,200 respondents, also asked about the performance of the National Electoral Council of Venezuela during the opposition primaries on February 12. It found that 94.1 percent of Venezuelans deemed the CNE’s work excellent, good or fine, while just 3.1 percent viewed it negatively.

“Venezuelans overwhelmingly applaud the CNE’s performance, and that is something very significant in terms of democracy,” Scorza said.

Meanwhile, 94.1 percent also approved of the role of the Bolivarian Armed Forces in assisting with security during the primary elections.

Scorza said that with the opposition primaries over, the presidential race is now becoming more ideological, emotional, and passion-oriented.

“The contest is going to involve a lot of ideological and programmatic debate, more so than reactive debate, because the high preference for socialism among the Venezuelan population coincides with what President Chávez preaches,” he said.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6814
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Chavez relapse

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Endovelico wrote:
New Poll Reveals Majority Support for Socialism in Venezuela
Feb 17th 2012, by Agencia Venezolana de Noticias

A January study by polling firm International Consulting Services (ICS) has shown that 53% of Venezuelans think that the kind of socialism promoted by the current president Hugo Chavez is a political and economic system that guarantees the development of the country. Meanwhile, the same polling organisation found if the 7 October presidential elections were held tomorrow Chavez would be re-elected with 58.2% of the vote.

Juan Scorza, director of ICS, said in a television interview that “the belief that this is a positive system for the country has been reinforced," and pointed out that only 21% believe that capitalism is the system that would guarantee development for the country.

"Between socialism and capitalism, it is clear Venezuelans prefer socialism," he stated. With regard to social programs, or missions, Venezuelans gave a positive appraisal of 80%.

"This concept of socialism is that all recent [government] measures, like the Law on Fair Costs and Prices, new missions, and protection to workers are creating an environment in which there is collective benefit and that’s how people perceive it," he said.

As for problems, the director highlighted that 52.9% of Venezuelans see insecurity as the main problem in the country, followed by corruption and inflation.

"Nonetheless, [the perception of] insecurity as a problem has fallen in intensity. In October, it was at 60.2%," he added.

Presidential Election Predictions

According to a another survey held by the ICS on 13 and 14 February this week with 1200 respondants in cities throughout the country, if the presidential elections were held today in Venezuela, 58.2 percent of citizens would vote for the reelection of Hugo Chávez, as opposed to 34.5 percent for the opposition candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski.

Scorza commented that, by extensión, 48.3 percent would not vote for Radonski, the candidate of the Democratic Unity Table (MUD).

The ICS director added that if the current administration continues with its policies, which earned high approval ratings from last November through January, it is on track to emerge victorious in the presidential elections on October 7, 2012.

The survey, which had a total of 1,200 respondents, also asked about the performance of the National Electoral Council of Venezuela during the opposition primaries on February 12. It found that 94.1 percent of Venezuelans deemed the CNE’s work excellent, good or fine, while just 3.1 percent viewed it negatively.

“Venezuelans overwhelmingly applaud the CNE’s performance, and that is something very significant in terms of democracy,” Scorza said.

Meanwhile, 94.1 percent also approved of the role of the Bolivarian Armed Forces in assisting with security during the primary elections.

Scorza said that with the opposition primaries over, the presidential race is now becoming more ideological, emotional, and passion-oriented.

“The contest is going to involve a lot of ideological and programmatic debate, more so than reactive debate, because the high preference for socialism among the Venezuelan population coincides with what President Chávez preaches,” he said.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6814

Thank you Very Much for your post, Endo.

Pray for Chavez.........

Latest on Telemundo today was that he is having a serious relapse............
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Hello, MG, here I am!

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monster_gardener wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:.


"Next year will mark 180 years since the usurpation by the government of United Kingdom, which threw out the Argentines,"

.
. . U.N. Anti-Colonial Resolution 2065, which asks that Britain specifically negotiate the islands' sovereignty.
.

Look folks, in final analysis, Malvinas next door to South America and Argentina, South America strengthening Brits weakening .. and .. Britain 7,913 miles away from Malvinas

And

America, seems, this time, will be neutral

If push come to shove, Brits will lose

Viva Evita (Peron) .. Viva Argentina .. we all Argentinian

Go Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner) .. Goooooooooooo

good girl


.
Thank you Very MUCH for your post, Azari.

Something I would have missed otherwise though I could have written it....... ;)
Britain and Argentina fought over the islands in 1982. With the rhetoric heating up again, this time Argentina should try making connections, not war.
Quite right.............. Almost Duh................
Just as the generals did in 1982, the Fernandez government needs a distraction. Argentina's economy is riding a rocket of inflation that the government refuses to acknowledge. Despite an improving economy, the nation is still rife with slums and poverty. The river at the capital's southern boundary is perhaps the most toxic in the hemisphere. The 65-year alliance of Fernandez's Peronist party and big labor has abruptly collapsed. Once again, the affluent are sending their wealth into exile.
I was afraid that Ferfal might be correct again. Don't want to see the Argentines go through hell again*........ Looks like it's coming......... Hope I am wrong....
Yet 2010 polling cited in the Falklands press indicated that half of Argentina's population was OK with the British claim or doesn't care one way or the other. Of the remainder, 28% were interested not in a takeover but in some sort of shared Malvinas administration.
This suggests a possible resolution that would end the saber-rattling and reverse Fernandez's policy. As Lanata put it, "Argentina needs to integrate with the islands, not bully them."

One who recently died for this belief was Alejandro Daniel Carranza, an Argentine who'd fought in the Falklands in 1982. He kayaked from Argentine Patagonia to the islands simply to demonstrate the need for peace and fellowship between the large nation and the small. He drowned along the way. But he had the right idea.

If the Argentines really want to bring the islands into their orbit, they must drop barriers and encourage connections. They must allow the Falklanders to do business or to vacation in Argentina, just two hours away by plane compared with 20 hours for Britain; to buy and sell in Argentine markets, to honeymoon in coastal Mar del Plata, to attend Argentine universities, to learn to tango and eat beef and to intermarry.

Think I posted something like this previously..............
The destiny of geography should answer the sovereignty question with a new Falklands: a truly South American nation. Albeit the tiniest one of all.
Or the Falklanders might decide to unite with Argentina..............

Remember Aesop's fable of the cloak............. The Sun, not the cold wind got the traveler to take his cloak off............ If Argentina want's the Falklanders to take off their British cloaks in the chilly islands........ it needs to let its Sun shine just like it does on its flag.........

[img]
Argentina%20Flag.GIF
[/img]
Hi MG, this is JP.
The malvinas are a hot topic these days,the link to that LATimes article is very interesting and pretty much reflects my opinion:
1- Argentinian generals should be responsible for the death of their young countrymen
2- THE inhabitants of the islands should have self determination to decide their future, so , in my opinion, these islands should be British as long as the islanders think so.
3- On the other hand , Argentina has the right to question the status quo using diplomacy; I think that isolating the islanders won´t help.
4-The rethoric is heating up because there is nothing like an external enemy threat if you want to divert people´s atention from real troubles like Argentina´s rising inflation and the war against free press in the country.
South Americans looove to hold some external country/conspiracy responsible for their troubles; usually the Americans.
5- When the war erupted , many people - like me- took the British side; The British received important info from Chile because at that time they had a border dispute with Argentina and they believed that if Argentina succeeded in the malvinas, they would be the next .
6- Azari, watch out for those British Jews under your bed! ;)
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planctom wrote:
monster_gardener wrote:
AzariLoveIran wrote:.


"Next year will mark 180 years since the usurpation by the government of United Kingdom, which threw out the Argentines,"

.
. . U.N. Anti-Colonial Resolution 2065, which asks that Britain specifically negotiate the islands' sovereignty.
.

Look folks, in final analysis, Malvinas next door to South America and Argentina, South America strengthening Brits weakening .. and .. Britain 7,913 miles away from Malvinas

And

America, seems, this time, will be neutral

If push come to shove, Brits will lose

Viva Evita (Peron) .. Viva Argentina .. we all Argentinian

Go Cristina (Fernandez de Kirchner) .. Goooooooooooo

good girl


.
Thank you Very MUCH for your post, Azari.

Something I would have missed otherwise though I could have written it....... ;)
Britain and Argentina fought over the islands in 1982. With the rhetoric heating up again, this time Argentina should try making connections, not war.
Quite right.............. Almost Duh................
Just as the generals did in 1982, the Fernandez government needs a distraction. Argentina's economy is riding a rocket of inflation that the government refuses to acknowledge. Despite an improving economy, the nation is still rife with slums and poverty. The river at the capital's southern boundary is perhaps the most toxic in the hemisphere. The 65-year alliance of Fernandez's Peronist party and big labor has abruptly collapsed. Once again, the affluent are sending their wealth into exile.
I was afraid that Ferfal might be correct again. Don't want to see the Argentines go through hell again*........ Looks like it's coming......... Hope I am wrong....
Yet 2010 polling cited in the Falklands press indicated that half of Argentina's population was OK with the British claim or doesn't care one way or the other. Of the remainder, 28% were interested not in a takeover but in some sort of shared Malvinas administration.
This suggests a possible resolution that would end the saber-rattling and reverse Fernandez's policy. As Lanata put it, "Argentina needs to integrate with the islands, not bully them."

One who recently died for this belief was Alejandro Daniel Carranza, an Argentine who'd fought in the Falklands in 1982. He kayaked from Argentine Patagonia to the islands simply to demonstrate the need for peace and fellowship between the large nation and the small. He drowned along the way. But he had the right idea.

If the Argentines really want to bring the islands into their orbit, they must drop barriers and encourage connections. They must allow the Falklanders to do business or to vacation in Argentina, just two hours away by plane compared with 20 hours for Britain; to buy and sell in Argentine markets, to honeymoon in coastal Mar del Plata, to attend Argentine universities, to learn to tango and eat beef and to intermarry.

Think I posted something like this previously..............
The destiny of geography should answer the sovereignty question with a new Falklands: a truly South American nation. Albeit the tiniest one of all.
Or the Falklanders might decide to unite with Argentina..............

Remember Aesop's fable of the cloak............. The Sun, not the cold wind got the traveler to take his cloak off............ If Argentina want's the Falklanders to take off their British cloaks in the chilly islands........ it needs to let its Sun shine just like it does on its flag.........

[img]
Argentina%20Flag.GIF
[/img]
Hi MG, this is JP.
The malvinas are a hot topic these days,the link to that LATimes article is very interesting and pretty much reflects my opinion:
1- Argentinian generals should be responsible for the death of their young countrymen
2- THE inhabitants of the islands should have self determination to decide their future, so , in my opinion, these islands should be British as long as the islanders think so.
3- On the other hand , Argentina has the right to question the status quo using diplomacy; I think that isolating the islanders won´t help.
4-The rethoric is heating up because there is nothing like an external enemy threat if you want to divert people´s atention from real troubles like Argentina´s rising inflation and the war against free press in the country.
South Americans looove to hold some external country/conspiracy responsible for their troubles; usually the Americans.
5- When the war erupted , many people - like me- took the British side; The British received important info from Chile because at that time they had a border dispute with Argentina and they believed that if Argentina succeeded in the malvinas, they would be the next .
6- Azari, watch out for those British Jews under your bed! ;)
Thank you Very Much for your post, Joao/Planctom.

Glad you are here. Glad to get your opinion on this.

What's your opinion on the gas/oil issue.........?

IMVHO the Argentines, Brits, and the Falklanders should come to some sort of reasonable division of potential value........ before the Black/Gray Gold Rush begins in earnest..........
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Re: Habla Espaniol ?

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AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Latin America : Where the world's jobs are

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"One of the great things about being [in Chile] is that there is such an opportunity to do anything," she says. "You can really start projects here, and there is a need for them." . .
.
.
"Compared to Europe, where everything is slowing down, South America seems to be doing the complete opposite," . .
.
.
"We see Brazil and Mexico as two definite places to be," . .
.

Jobs will be outside on America .. America too busy with military stuff


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I do not know how is exican economy doing but , regarding Brazil,here are some thoughts:
Brazil has a good potential because it´s a large country with a large population.
Brazil is a top player in diverse fields such as agribussines, deepwater oil drilling , mining and is very good in building small to medium sized airplanes
Also some good oil and gas reseves aere discovered in very deep water close to the shore, wich has created a lot of speculation and investments in this field.
The problems are so big as the advantages.
The edeucation level is very bad, Brazilian students regularly perform very bad in international tests.
There is too much bureaucracy and the taxes are among the highest in the world
The infrastructure(ports, railroads, airports) is too outdated and expensive
The judiciary sistem works too slow
As a net result, many of our products are not competitive worldwide because thecost of doing bussines in Brazil is very high.
That´s why Brazil can grow at a 7% rate when the world economy is doing ok but if anything happens, , the growth rate goes back to 3 or 4%.
Chile has a much smaller economy but has very good economic indicators because its economy don not suffer from problems described above.
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For example, Veja Magazine( the best weekly mag in the country) has a very interesting cover story this week: The reasons that make Iphones in Brazil the most expensive in the world! :shock:
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planctom wrote:For example, Veja Magazine( the best weekly mag in the country) has a very interesting cover story this week: The reasons that make Iphones in Brazil the most expensive in the world! :shock:
I recall my Brazilian colleagues in the US buying lots of electronics to bring back to Brazil - they said that the same cost a lot more back in Brazil. Back then it was very high import tariffs.
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Re: Habla Espaniol ?

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planctom wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.

Latin America : Where the world's jobs are

.
"One of the great things about being [in Chile] is that there is such an opportunity to do anything," she says. "You can really start projects here, and there is a need for them." . .
.
.
"Compared to Europe, where everything is slowing down, South America seems to be doing the complete opposite," . .
.
.
"We see Brazil and Mexico as two definite places to be," . .
.

Jobs will be outside on America .. America too busy with military stuff


.
I do not know how is exican economy doing but , regarding Brazil,here are some thoughts:
Brazil has a good potential because it´s a large country with a large population.
Brazil is a top player in diverse fields such as agribussines, deepwater oil drilling , mining and is very good in building small to medium sized airplanes
Also some good oil and gas reseves aere discovered in very deep water close to the shore, wich has created a lot of speculation and investments in this field.
The problems are so big as the advantages.
The edeucation level is very bad, Brazilian students regularly perform very bad in international tests.
There is too much bureaucracy and the taxes are among the highest in the world
The infrastructure(ports, railroads, airports) is too outdated and expensive
The judiciary sistem works too slow
As a net result, many of our products are not competitive worldwide because thecost of doing bussines in Brazil is very high.
That´s why Brazil can grow at a 7% rate when the world economy is doing ok but if anything happens, , the growth rate goes back to 3 or 4%.
Chile has a much smaller economy but has very good economic indicators because its economy don not suffer from problems described above.

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2 places in South America I like .. Argentina and Brazil



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